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I've been struggling lately with my masochistic side.  I just wanted to blog it out because that always helped in the past.
Here's a typical scenario for me.. I'll use paddling as an example but it is the same regardless of the tool.. violent wand, flogger, hand, whatever..
The first swat..hurts. It hurts just like it always hurt before I discovered my masochistic side.. but after a few strikes.  I feel like I toughen up, I start concentrating on the effect of the pain on my body rather than the pain itself.  Often times there's some sexual stimulation added but sometimes the swat will be near my pussy or my tits and create its own stimulation.  And in the case of direct stimulation applied to my pussy, I'll find it completely erotic and may even get off on it completely.
But,, if there is no sexual gratification associated with pain, then end up feeling abused and battered.  Even though the treatment may have been the same as the day before with the sexual gratification.
My doubt increased more recently when visiting a BDSM club.
I was feeling beaten, neglected, pouty and tired.   My ass hurt so bad I could not sit.  People kept smiling at me as though I just won the lottery.   I just fucking hurt.  I couldn't figure out why I was supposed to be so happy.  (It was my birthday and birthday spankings do take a new meaning when sadists are the ones doing the spanking.)
I kept looking around the break room seeing bruises, bite marks, tattoos, piercing, bondage, signs of the lifestyle.  I wandered up and down the halls feeling odd.
I heard moans, screams, and cursing,,   I walked past one room a man had clothes pins up and down his rock hard penis while his Domme scratched her long metal nails up and down his body.  His face was clenched and he groaned in agony.  In another room a woman was being fisted up to his elbow with a big Hitachi wand also stimulating her clit...  She hadn't cum yet.  I wondered how a girl so young could become so accustomed to so much stimulation that it would take more than that to get her off... 
But then I saw a couple act out an abuse scene that almost reenacted the night I called the cops on my dad to protect my mom.  My parents weren't playing.  My mom ended up in the hospital with internal bleeding.  My dad ended up in jail.  My parents soon divorced after that I finally was able to stop hiding when I slept.
I wandered onto the patio of the club and I sat in the cold and listened to people talk.  I heard tops describe their please at causing such distress in their bottoms.  I heard bottoms comparing marks and bruises as though it were a competition.
I hid and tried to keep warm as I waited to leave.  I'm a bit scared to go back.
Yet at the same time.. last night I was at a biker party.  I had brought my pirate sword.  It made of wood and coincidentally made a very nice paddle.   I had a little fun teasing my friends about paddling their behinds.  But when a top friend of mine slapped my ass a little harder than the usual play.. my core reaction was to stick my ass out further and try and get the good sting I knew he could deliver.

So I can't help wondering.. there seems to be a few elements of the issue
  • Stingy pain can be stimulating
  • I know that even though someone is consenting, it doesn't always mean that they are not being abused. - The abused wife returns time after time to husband.  She'll defend him, protect him, and even take responsibility for his actions.  If he said to her "I love you for taking this" then she'd take it.
  • I don't understand the line between abuse and submission. 

I think the obvious answer is that it depends on the relationship and the situation but if I'm having trouble knowing where my line is then how do you know all those other bottoms with the bruises and bite marks know their limits.  How do I feel good about going to a club that promotes violence?  Is it  "Risk Aware and Consentual"  or is it codependency to sadism?

Oh great, I tell myself.  Get on your soapbox.  Tell the world the evils of BDSM.  But please spank my ass and tell me that you love me.



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  • submissiverose said on Nov 01, 2009....

    The line is in your mind. In each of our minds.

    First off, i'd like to say that i'm so horribly sorry that you've had to go through all this. The questioning of yourself, the wondering what's wrong with you to not fit into either the 'Lifestyle' or 'vanilla' worlds, the horrid memories bubbling up from nowhere-- i've been there.

    i've been physically abused by my past relationship by a man using a bamboo cane.
    After that experience, i didn't think that i'd ever enjoy pain, ever be able to handle pain, because pain = punishment. and if i hadn't done anything to deserve punishment, pain = abuse.

    Starting off under Master, He always coupled pain with sexual pleasure. i got quickly to where you are now, not enjoying the pain for pain but for the sexual sensations and for the pleasing of my Dom.

    After a lot of this, i've started moving to the point where the pain high is like a sexual stimulation high, it's enough on its own. if Master used the bamboo cane on me, that would constitute abuse, because He knows that it's a hard limit for me and that i can't handle it.

    BUT not everybody feels that pain can be used by itself. You sound like you can't, which is fine! You don't HAVE to be a masochist to be a submissive. You don't HAVE to take huge amounts of pain or be spanked until you can't sit down. but you DO have to discuss these with any Doms/Tops that you come into contact with. Make sure they know that you have the right to use your safeword and do so whenever you need to. BDSM play isn't just masochism/sadism and isn't all about violent themes. The public scene is VERY removed from the way a lot of people do things. It isn't necessarily real, it's a lot of politics and a lot of people showing off. i see it every time w/We go out.

    The abuse themes that you see are unfortunately part of your past experiences. That means that you have a limit- it's psychologically harmful for you to engage in these scenes. Other people don't see the abuse because they haven't experienced it and the things they're doing are consensual.

    Pleasepleaseplease, don't take pain just because you feel it's the thing to do. Pleasepleaseplease, don't go on feeling beaten and abused in your scenes, and not say anything.

    You owe it to yourself to indulge in BDSM for the reasons you entered into it in the first place. That means you have a right to be protected and safe, psychologically and physically.

    i'm just an email away, and i'm sorry for the ranting reply, just concerned.

    Always, rose.

    xXx

  • MLM'sPretty said on Nov 02, 2009....
    i agree completely with rose.  My first relationship was with a very abusive woman.  My  Master would question me frequently on how i didnt enjoy the first girl but i beg for pain from Her.  I couldnt answer for a while because i knew why but didnt know how to explain it.  Basically with the first girl it was unwanted and was not apart of the relationship where as it is now.  Also i agree with the fact of it being asked for, being punishment, or for pleasing the Dom.  If it is any other then it has a different impact on your psyche.  Only you know what your limit is.  Like with rose.... PLEASE always speak up if you feel you are being abused.  Stay strong, and look deep inside.  You will sure to find what makes it right for you.
  • DaddysLittleSlut said on Nov 02, 2009....
    I know I can't handle certain scenes.. I guess I can find ways to control that and deal with it.  But, I feel like a spoiled brat not a sub when it comes to wanting pain.
     
    My trouble with the pain is that my remorse is always after the fact.. especially when it comes to letting another Top use me.... I'm showing off some, not wanting to bring shame on me or SG. But if the sexual level of excitement isn't brought up to the pain level, I'll have remorse.  If the same pain is given with the sexual gratification, then I'm fine with everything. 
     
    I just think this is being a bad submissive.. I feel like I'm just bargaining but everything has to be my way.
     
    I hate to compare to my collared relationship but, then it felt like I would beg to please because I felt I owed.. whereas now I feel like I am owed.  Still toward the end.. I did start to develop this attitude.. ..
     
    "What will I get for my submission?"
     
     
  • Mascon said on Nov 02, 2009....
    As a Dom my interest in the S-M part of my relationships were never one sided for me. Yes I get my own unique pleasure from being a sadist, but not if my subject isn't enjoying it on some level. This is the difference between sadist and abuser. For my latest sub the mixture of the sensations of pain and pleasure were equally important as they seem to be for you. A relationship of this kind is no different than any other relationship, we are all in them because of what we get out of them. When you are getting nothing out of it, it IS abuse. You know where your lines are, your partner needs to know too. Only you can inform him. He needs to know that at the club if others who don't know you have used you, that He needs to provide the other piece of the puzzle for you, the sexual stimulation, or the withholding of the pleasure as part of Y/your dynamic. Or he needs to know to protect you from those situations.

    Don't be afraid to let your Dom know what your needs are. We love knowing. We want to know. You can frankly substitute pleasure and pain almost interchangeably in these discussions. I want to know I am pleasuring every woman I am with to the utmost of my ability. I want her to walk away from me thinking, "That man is the most incredible lover I have ever encountered." I want the same from the dominant submissive dynamic. Isn't that what all Dom's strive for? To be the very best they can be? And to show their submissives how they can be the very best THEY can be as well? I could care less what all the other Doms/subs/humans in the world think of me, as long as that girl at my feet thinks the world of me, I am the most fortunate man alive.

    As Dominants we strive to know, we work to know, we experiment and learn to know, what it is that makes you continue to fall to your knees and look at us with abject devotion. No two women are alike. Though we may be experienced as Doms we are not experienced as your Dom. That can only happen through learning to know you. Help us out, clue us in, it only makes it better for everyone.

    Because once I know, you will certainly get what you need,and you will be protected from these things and scenes that send your mind to the dark places. And then, when you KNOW that, you will give. You will give all, you will offer me everything because you NEED to.
  • submissiverose said on Nov 02, 2009....
    Brava, Sir.
  • freeDom said on Nov 02, 2009....
    Dear dl's, I am a caring Dom and think I have some helpful words for you. I wish to have a pm with you. D :)
  • sg138 said on Nov 03, 2009....
    I think that what has happend is that w/We are moving at a fast pace and learning what we both are into and some times w/We need to slow down and talk about what we both want and don't want. I have learned that  the sexual  part needs to be there to for me . I am a loving Dom and I really don't want to hurt my pet in any way. SG138 
  • seer said on Nov 04, 2009....
    I used to date a girl who was really into BDSM. She likes rape games and being choked. The first few times I was a little hesitant. BUT, it was nurturing, I'd slap her, choke her, and rape her, but it was nurturing. If I hit her because I was pissed off that would be abuse, but I hit her because she loved being treated rough sexually. Afterwards, we'd kiss and cuddle, for hours, and sometimes reverse roles.
     
    That's the difference - abuse is emotionally damaging, BDSM is nurturing. Abuse is non consentual, BDSM is consentual. In abuse, the one doing the hitting is venting their frustration or anger, in BDSM they are nurturing.
     
    I still quite like dominating and having femdom, but I don't like being hit outside the bedroom, because then its different.
     
    Does that make sense?

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A question for discussion.......
how our day went.......
Well...the last post was just me rambling and lamenting a bit.

Thanks everyone for your comments and suggestions. I like the idea of a supportive community.

But I wasn't really clear about what my goal is with submission. W...
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