• Twylarants said on Nov 01, 2009....

  Do you think the hot-air balloon stunt was meant to distract us from the hot-air health care stunt?

• ALIENated said on Nov 01, 2009....

  Nah, I am not much of a conspiracy nut. What the Obama administration is trying to do is all out in plain sight. It is like the King's New Clothes. The liberal crowd will stand behind Obama no matter what. Take the global warming crowd. They could be freezing in their homes in mid-July and they would still follow Al Gwhore to his next million dollar seminar. It would almost be more understandable if there was a conspiracy going on instead of so many falling for blatantly obvious actions that will move us closer to the world of Big Brother. It is as if people have lost their common sense. We should be sceptical of both parties. The press should be sceptical of both parties, but that is not what is going on these days, and we are all going to pay for it ... literally. We all pay too much tax these days (income tax, sales tax, etc.) and it is only going to get worse with this bunch of nimrods running things in Washington.

• javadewd said on Nov 03, 2009....

  Oh, sorry, you said "stunt..." I thought you were talking about Nancy Pelosi and there for a minute I must have mis-read it and thought you said something else... My bad!

• Twylarants said on Nov 03, 2009....

  Good one, J'Dewd!

• SeanRenaud said on Nov 12, 2009....

  The 2000 page monstrosity won't pass.  I have the same doubts that it won't cover illegal immigrants, particularly when they voted down a Republican offered admendment to do that exact thing.  I highly doubt that ANYBODY has read it in it's entirety and from what I have heard from people who've started reading it it's should actually be labeled as closer to seven thousand pages because it is 2000 pages much of which is like reading Sheltercrow.  you know it might just be seven words but each one is a link to a separate page that might however long.

  This is one battle Obama should have abandoned instead of stubbornly trying to push it through.  It's also something the Republicans should have delt with in 2000 but whatever.  This one is costing and will continue to cost Obama no matter which way it goes at this point.  I forget where but I've already heard about people blaming Obama for family members losing Health Benefits and he ain't done nothing yet.

• ALIENated said on Nov 12, 2009....

  I heard a caller the other day saying that the section on end of life counciling does not really say anything ... either way. I think the whole thing is a bunch of crap and beurocrats will fill in whatever detail they want at a later date. It is a "just trust us" deal. But no one does.

• SeanRenaud said on Nov 12, 2009....

  Because the end of life thing is a serious catch twenty two.  As we've got it there isn't a death council.  Instead your family is stuck footing the bill no matter what it costs no matter how long you live.  (Mary Schivo comes to mind.)  Those with chronic illness don't even HAVE THE OPTION to end their misery and stop sucking money from their families.  So what we have isn't a death council.  It would be more accurately defined as a suicide pact.

  If the worst case happens like most conservatives assume and we were to vote on the worth of each life then at least lost causes (those who cannot be cured by today's medicine) could be allowed to die in peace and then we could vote on the rest.  I suppose it's barbaric if you don't considered the alternative.  But given the two paths we've got. . .

  I mean you are the one with your panties in a not about BOTH the government spending cash on medical care AND on the government forcing us to buy health care.   Well if neither happens we have Death Councils called bank accounts and credit card accounts.

• ALIENated said on Nov 13, 2009....

  That is the problem here. You are talking about realist issues surrounding healthcare. This legislation and these (Democrat) morons are not really addressing all the haealthcare issues. It is simply a means of growing government. They could care less what it says and the problems it will cause. Democrats thrive on creating problems so they can run on a platform of solving those same problems in a few years. That is the real catch 22 here.

• SeanRenaud said on Nov 13, 2009....

  But the problems are already here.  Lets take the Dems/Libs out of the equation entirely.  Lets say that Medicare and Medicaid are abolished and hell lets for the same of debate abolish taxes and that increases the average income by roughly 30% (which is generous)  Then lets assume something stupid which is that they save that extra 30% instead of just buying bigger houses (I think the last decade has shown what people do with more money but whatever)  Whatever else you might think of bloc I think he's made it plain how much medical bills cost.  Do you honestly believe that an extra few thousand dollars a year would keep people from going into bankrupcy?

• ALIENated said 13 days ago....

  I think insurance has caused medical inflation. We have been through all that. And, as I said, that is not the real argument here -- not that something has to get fixed. The argument is that the Democrats / Socialists are just tryiing to take over a large segment of our economy and their plan (as you have admitted) is just a bunch of crap, smoke and mirrors.

• javadewd said 11 days ago....

  My wife has been bitching about some tool at work (not a person) that costs $800 whereas she could get the exact same quality tool at Ace Hardware for about $20. She seems to think that medical suppliers butt-rape hospitals and if those costs were cut, we wouldn't have this problem. Too bad I can't convince her to jump back on the blog here at SC. She's still nausiated from her HG.

• SeanRenaud said 11 days ago....

  While I'm sure insurance has caused some problems I call BS on your wife Java.  If the peice cost 20$ SOMEONE would have gone out and bought it by now.  I might have bought 100$ where it's too much for her to just realize being frustrated about it ain't worth it but 20$ either she enjoys suffering or you lied.

• javadewd said 11 days ago....

  You know what, SR, it's that kind of ignorant half-wit horseshit logic that really lowers my respect for you. Let me give you an excellent example of exactly what my wife is talking about regarding hospital waste:
   
  This company sells a wall cabinet for $331 that I just purchased for my laundry room for $65. It's the same cabinet. I've seen the $331 one and bought the $65 new. That's 1/5 of what the medical community pays for it.
   
  Here's a stainless steel cabinet for over $3k while you can get the same thing for much less... Just over $1k. That's 1/3 of what the medical community pays for it.
   
  I wish I would have caught up with her before she went to bed this evening so I could find the exact tool she was talking about. It was some sort of forcep or clamp or something. Pretty common, too. Seems that it is used across multiple industries, but again the price her hospital pays for one compared to what some handyman could pick it up for at the local hardware store demonstrated how medical centers get ass-raped on such things. I thought it was maybe this (reg $712.80) and this (list $91.75) which is nearly 1/8 of the other yet the same instrument, but it wasn't, yet two medical supply companies.
   
  The "$20" item she literally saw at Home Depot this weekend and I wasn't there. I was at home doing renovations. I believe her, though, because she uses the shit every day in the OR. She wanted to buy whatever this was and take it into work this week to show her boss.
   
  And no, NO ONE would have gone out and bought it by now because in most states the state/federal government mandates who can buy what from whom. In health organizations like the ones out here that orchestrate several hospitals, controllers usually stick to a small number of suppliers.
   
  And thanks for trying to water down my point. Now that you have some facts, I hope you take yourself some time to go outside in that great smoggy weed-tainted California air and play hide and go fuck yourself. Take some Cheetos, because you'll get the munchies!

• ALIENated said 10 days ago....

  That is what I am talking about. Medical insurance puts us all in an all you can eat buffet mode. Normally, people eat a reasonable amount of food for a set price. At an all you can eat buffet, people go crazy and eat way too much. It is like a story I heard recently about a guy that stepped on a nail and went to the emergency room to get a tetanus shot. He knew no bones were broken, but they x-rayed his foot away. He complained that he did not need an x-ray. The nurse said "why do you care, you are not paying for it". Multiply that by thousands of similar incidents per day and you get medical inflation. It has happened in dentistry and the auto repair industry as well. If they start issuing vet insurance, you can kiss even greater amounts of money goodbye if you get a pet. Of course the pressure valve there is, you can have a pet put to sleep, which will soon be happening for our senior citizens if Obama has his way.

• javadewd said 10 days ago....

  Oh, and turns out it was a simple halogen bulb. The exact same one I bought for about $18 at Home Depot for a torch lamp for my living room costs nearly $800 for an Operating Room. She kept screaming at me "Medical grade, my ass! These things go out so often we have to buy them by the box!!" So put that in your pipe and smoke it.

• ALIENated said 10 days ago....

  That is what I am talking about. If costs could not be passed on, someone would be going to Home Depot to get those lights. We have lost our common sense about damn near everything because we have a bunch of childish retards running our country now.

• SeanRenaud said 10 days ago....

  1.  Java I apologize, I didn't know your wife worked for the government.  Though even then in the admitedly limited experience that I have nobody complains if you bring something from home.  The rest of your point I never denied, we all know how much money the government wastes every single day. 

  2.  I've never denied that insurance causes some of the problems and may be the root problem of much of what doesn't work in our system.

  3.  Whatever. . .bored now.

• javadewd said 10 days ago....

  Ha ha.

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