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A friend and I were having a discussion earlier today about unemployment insurance. I'm back on it as the short term project I was working on ended successfully last friday. Now, my friend wasn't unhappy that I was on unemployment, the thing we had different perspectives on was that she thought unemployment is welfare. Her reasoning is that she is required to have an amount deducted from her paycheck to pay into a government system that pays people not to work. While I understand that this is the view some people have on unemployment, it is nonetheless mistaken. I pointed out to her that unemployment is insurance against loosing your job, and if it were welfare, then auto and health insurance would be welfare also. With insurance, you pay into a specific pool that others take out of, and that you can take out of if you need it for that specific purpose. But you can only take from the pool if you have paid into it, and only for a certain duration. With welfare, it comes from a general fund, goes to many different types of social funding, you don't have to pay into it to take out of it, and there's no duration limit.
 
She then said she didn't understand why people just didn't work instead of being on unemployment. My answer to her was that I would work, but in my town, one of the major consumers of IT workers dumped several hundred highly skilled and qualified people on the market in the last few months, right at the time that they dumped me too. Also, several computer stores, consulting firms and agencies have gone out of business, dumping even more qualified and skilled people on the market. Plus, there are 4 schools in this city that graduate 15 or more students 3 or 4 times a year in the IT field, and they just graduated a new batch last month, all with bachelor's degrees. IT jobs are scarce here right now, and whenever one comes up, someone who has several more years of experience, a degree and certifications gets it because hey, what employer wouldn't hire someone who is overqualified and pay them entry level because that's all the person can get, and the employer is getting allot for their money? Which leaves those of us with fresh degrees, or not yet degrees, and only a couple years experience out in the cold. Other industries won't hire me because they know that as soon as an IT position comes my way, I'd go there, and they don't need to put themselves in a high turnover position. I took what I knew was a short term, low paying IT position because that's all I could get. A year ago, I wouldn't even have considered doing that job. And now that it's ended, I'm back where I was 2 months ago, no job and few prospects because of our local economy, just like allot of people in this country.
 
So, it's not that I don't want to work, that I want to sit on my ass all day while the government gives me a handout, it's that I spent 30 years paying into the government run insurance program and now am in a position of being forced to draw on that insurance or I loose my apartment, my car, most of my posessions and don't get to eat. And none of it is my fault. I didn't do anything wrong.
 
So no, unemployment isn't welfare anymore than geico or humana are welfare. The only difference is that geico and humana are privately owned for profit insurers and unemployment is government run not for profit insurance.
 
I wonder how many other people are under that misconception?


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  • Hegemone said on Oct 28, 2009....
    Well put Trav.  I admit, I'm stuck on how someone could ask 'Well why not just work?'  It's not so simple, not like you can go out and just create a job and bring in a paycheck.  You've got to get hired first, and with the way the job market is, being so plentiful on workers and not so much on employers, that's just the way the cookie crumbles ... there are tons of people who are collecting unemployment.  Well, hopefully you've set her straight, and you never know, maybe now that you've posted this you'll set some more people straight.  I loved the easy to follow way you've described it, very nice.
  • Lucytorial said on Oct 28, 2009....
    Here Trav, welfare is welfare, government run.  no insurance, thats what our taxes pay for.  Just in case, even then they don't give you enough to live on.
     
    They subsidise your rent, provide you with JUST enough to eat beans every day and peraps enough to drive for interviews....
     
    Our problem is there are more jobs available than people willing to work for which is fucking unbeleivable.....  If you want work here you'll get it believe me, very quickly.
  • travelr712 said on Oct 28, 2009....

    thanks hege, that was a nice thing to say :-)

    i wish it was like that here lu, why are there more jobs than people willing to work there?

  • gingersoul said on Oct 28, 2009....
    Trav.......what prohibits you to move to another city where the chance of finding the right job are better?

    You are single, after all...if i am not mistaken...

    So what holds you there?

    I am asking because a lot of people relocate for work. Only in my office i know at least 5 people who moved from different states to come to Texas.
    And some had left their family behind waiting to move them here as soon as possible.

    Did you look for job in other cities or states?


  • javadewd said on Oct 28, 2009....
    Trav, back some time ago I was a contractor. When you're a 1099-er and the project ends, if you weren't a sub-contractor of some place that actually had an official W-2 on you, then you don't qualify for unemployment. If you apply for welfare, they say you make too much money, which is actually true if you have been out of work for less than a year. You don't qualify for food stamps and most of the time you don't even qualify for state or local assistance. That was me. I called around to friends, family, my church at the time, and practically anywhere I could in order to find "odd jobs" which I did until I finally decided to start my own business. The moral of the story is that if you can't find a job, use your talent and make your own, especially if you've finally come to the conclusion that nobody else is going to do it for you [especially the government].
  • superbozo said on Oct 29, 2009....

    It's the same with some people. They see an unemployed person and think they are just lazy, they see a single parent and automaticly pidgeon hole you in the same my taxes pay for you to live catorgory. Well I paid a shit load of taxes in my life. I paid them to a goverment that made certain promises to people with regards to poverty and starvation. I too used to hate the unemployed, until I was unemployed. 

    Sure I tried to do different things. But I'm a single parent and they are unreliable hey....what with them taking time off work when the kid is sick. I took the unemployment money. It was just enough to get by on. I was hitting the wall financially when I was lucky enough to get my job. I know what I'd rather be doing and I know what you'd rather be doing as well.

    Good luck with it mate.

     

  • travelr712 said on Oct 29, 2009....

    ginger - i'm 5 months away from a bachelor's degree, not the time to move. i'll move in march or april of next year, plans already set to do that. i just gotta hold on by my fingernails till then.

    jd - people tell me all the time to start my own business. i really don't want to do that or i would have already.

    well sb, i'm not exactly sorry that i don't have to work right now... :-)

  • Lucytorial said on Oct 29, 2009....
    The economy here Trav is boosting, especially where I live.
     
    Trades and professions alike.  More and more businesses are crying workers, we want workers.... most though feel that they should be paid a certain amount of course and small business can't do that. 
  • travelr712 said on Oct 29, 2009....

    so you're saying that if i moved there i'd get to see you naked and get a job lu? sign me up!!!!! :-P

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