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You have probably heard that old saying the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

I heard a great statement today that sums it all up:

Republicans want to help the poor get richer and Democrats (and Socialists) want to help the rich get poorer.

That is so profoundly true. Funny how you know something in your being, but you cannot quite put it into words. When Democrats / Socialists are in charge, the rich get poorer and the poor get poorer.

Think about everything the Democrats / Socialists do, everything that Obama says and wants to do. It all involves stealing from the people who work, are productive, run companies, etc. and giving it to the people who do not work, are not productive, and are usually running America down. Democrats / Socialists talk a good game, but they do not deliver. They usually succeed at only one thing: raising taxes.

Of course, they raise taxes under the pretense of redistributing the wealth. Obama did not come up with that concept (redistributing the wealth). That has been the goal of Democrats for decades. Republicans want to create a climate where people can work, make more money, and accumulate wealth on their own. Democrats / Socialists want to steal our money and then buy our votes. They know most Republicans are smart enough to see through their ploy, but some voters are not looking for leadership and a positive economic climate. They are looking for a free ride or a handout.

New Orleans is a perfect example of where we are today as a nation. That poorly conceived city was demolished by a natural disaster -- hurricane Katrina. There have been other natural disasters like that in the past and no one received that much help from the federal government. However, many residents of New Orleans think the federal government should swoop in, clean up the mess, and rebuild their homes. I have homeowners insurance for things like that. Why should the federal government do more than help out? Why do people think it is the federal government's responsibility to cover their losses. They should have had insurance. Remember, the government's money is really our money. Why should our money go to people who chose not to buy insurance?

People think they are entitled to so many things like healthcare. Someone should not be allowed to die in the street, but they should not expect the kind of care someone that has insurance will get. Some people (like twenty-somethings) just play the odds and do not even bother to buy healthcare insurance. Illegal immigrants do not have healthcare insurance.

I heard another interesting explanation the other day. Pre-existing conditions is a big deal because everyone would just wait around until they develop some costly medical problem and then try to get insurance. For that reason, if insurance companies have to accept people with pre-existing conditions, everyone will have to be covered or the insurance companies will go under in no time.

I have found that most things are the way they are for a reason. It is like the kid that pulled a piece of gum off the dam only to find that it was plugging a small hole, which quickly grew to a large hole, and eventually caused the dam to break. When I start a new job, it is easy to see fault in most every procedure to which I am exposed, but I have learned that, given time, I will usually see the reason for each procedure and for doing it the way it is being done (not always, of course).

I figure Mr. Obama is finding out this principle, that things are the way they are for a reason. Otherwise, there would be no troops in Iraq and we would be retreating from Afghanistan. If dominos are placed on end, side by side, it does not matter who touches the first domino ... they are all going to fall.

He is probably finding out that our healthcare system is the way it is for a reason. Harry Reid is now tossing the $2 trillion figure around. Has he even chosen his political career over Obama's goofy promises?

Of course, healthcare is just one of many ways the Democrats / Socialists can think of to help us all get poorer. Not having a job is a pretty good way to get poorer. The statics say there are only nine or 10 percent of us unemployed. I figure it is more like 18 or 20 percent. And that 20 percent having less or no money to spend is only going to make the rest of us poorer.

I know. It is all George W. Bush's fault. How long are you going to be satisfied with that answer? As I recall, no Democrat / Socialist wanted to hear Clinton's name associated with anything once Bush took over, and I do not recall Bush blaming Clinton for anything that happened during his administration. I suppose that is the difference between a classy president and a Chicago-style president who is so insecure that he worries more about a news network not fawning over him than he does about winning a war or reducing unemployment. Maybe when we are all poorer, and have no TVs, he will not have to worry about FOX News, and he can concentrate on bigger issues ... like bailing out liberal newspapers that are going under.



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  • SeanRenaud said on Oct 16, 2009....
    Starting at the bottom.  You aren't being remotely fair.  When Clinton handed the keys over the Bush we had had eight years of (relative) peace.  Our economy was booming and the worst thing going on in the entire world was a blow job from a fat chick. 

    Fast forward eight years and Bush hands over two wars only one of which was necessary (Both were right but that's another issue) a ruined economy, a bailed out auto and banking system, a world that believes we torture and all of these are things that Bush did. 

    Lets also not pretend like Republicans don't still blame Carter and Clinton for shit several presidents later.  Seriously.  Grow up.

    The problem with your whole theory of Dems making the rich poorer is that they don't.  That might be the stated goal but it never works.  They occasionaly help the poor but who cares.  You're premise is flawed.  What is provable is that we have watched the rich gather more and more wealth and history has shown us that only a single result can occur from the path we are on.  It involves riots.  It is very probable that one of the results of liberals redistributing cash on a semi-regular basis is that we have been able to maintain internal peace.  We know that the other plan doesn't work.  Or did you never read up on how Russia became Russia.  Or Korea.  Or Vietnam.  Or Cuba.  Or Mexico.
  • ALIENated said on Oct 16, 2009....

    You mean by embracing Communism? There is nothing wrong with redistributing cash, but it needs to be me and you, The People, spending our own money in much wiser ways than the wasteful way government spends it. So what if a rich guy gathers more and more wealth. What good does it do him if he does not spend it? People with money spending it is what makes malls profitable at Christmas time, and car companies profitable, and nations work. Big government collecting our money (higher taxes) and spending it to promote its agenda is what makes nations fail.

    The two wars Bush turned over were not his doing alone, the ruined economy was due to Democrat policies that can be traced back to the Carter days, and the world believes we torture because our own traiterous media hyped it up. The bailout originated with the Democrat congress that was elected in the fall of 2006. I doubt that that would have happened if Republicans had still been in charge of congress. However, to use Bush as the poster boy for the Republican party is a losing proposition. As I have said before, I did not vote in 2000 (if I had I would have voted against Gwhore), but I did vote against Kerry in 2004. Bush was the lesser of two bad choices just as McCain was this past election. Republicans are not picking good candidates. Most call themselves Republicans and that is about all they have to offer. Whatever works to get elected, if you ask me. They do not have the balls to follow conservative principles. If a Republican ran and promised a conservative agenda as strongly as Obama promised his liberal agenda, he / she would win overwhelmingly. McCain lost because he was not that different from Obama, just old and white. Of course, any Republican candidate has to also be able to withstand the full power of the biased left-leaning media, which is more in Obama's pocket than any other politician I can remember. And that is part of how Russia became Russia, and Korea became Korea, and Vietnam became Vietnam. People started listening to propaganda instead of truth and turned over their individuality to big government.

  • SeanRenaud said on Oct 16, 2009....
    The thing about the rich guy who owns a mall is he drives out all the mom and pops stores, pays lower wages and gathers all the wealth back to himself.  We cannot reistrubute wealth because we don't have it.

    There is no proof that big government is actually bad and the concept of suceeding despite the government is patently absurd.  Even if we only stick to the most basic things like roads and police you have to go pretty far to make a case that the government has done more harm than good just on military defense allowing us not to focus our energy on keeping the local warlords at bay.

    Taxes have to go really high before most of the things you associate with taxes can happen.  Not that I'm advocating taxing to this extreme but you are aware that for example 10% of one million dollars is twice as much as 50% of one hundred thousand dollars right?  So the concept that there is no incentive to work is false because the one who works hardest still gets the most toys.

    The thing is there was no good reason to vote against Gore.  There were two reasons, and only two to vote for Bush in 2000.  The first was that just like all peoples everywhere Americans want to have royalty, and it's all good and well.  He was named Bush ergo.  The other reason is that Bill Clinton had demeaned the office of the PResident of the United States by letting a fat chick suck him off when he could have gone to the Playboy Mansion and had a calendar worth of Playmates.  OTher than that Bush was worthless and everybody knew it.  The fact that it came close is just proof of how uselss he was.  In 04 things were different.

    If a Conservative ran as a conservative they would be slaughtered.  It wouldn't even be close.  America by the large has grown up and the homophobia, bible thumping is done.  Now I fully agree that if social liberal or at least moderate with a strong fiscal conservative view and the inteligence to articulate exactly why these things should work he'd clean up.

    The problem is that liberal economics simply works better.  Carter aside the last thirty years have shown it repeatedly.  Under liberal/democrats the national debt grows more slowly or even shrinks.  Standard of living goes up for all people.  The opposite happens, each and every time under Republicans (to included Reagan)  The thing is that it doesn't make sense.  Liberal economics is pure unadulterated insanity.  Which ultimately just proves that the economy isn't a math problem.  It's a science experiment and just because somethign should happen doesn't mean it will.
  • ALIENated said on Oct 16, 2009....

    Sorry, I disagree with most of that. Lower taxes under Bush kept the economy humming even after 9/11. The financial mess was a culmination of bad Democrat policies. I think Obama has put our debt in the trillions now and plans even more (Harry Reid just mentioned $2 trillion for healthcare). As far as Clinton, he was kept in check (after 1994) by Newt and the Republican congress. I seem to recall a Contract With America. Homophobia, bible thumping, that is not conservatism. That is the liberal characature of conservatism. My definition of conservatism is less government control over our lives and less government moral decay. I could care less what people do in their bedrooms, but I will not validate perversion by changing our traditions like marriage being one man and one woman. And I of course do not agree with murdering unborn babies.

  • SeanRenaud said on Oct 17, 2009....
    Homophobia, bible thumping, that is not conservatism.

    So you're not conservative?  Cus you clearly do both, hell "I will not validate perversion by changing our traditions like marriage being one man and one woman" is both. 
  • D6fer said on Oct 17, 2009....
    There is no proof that big government is actually bad and the concept of suceeding despite the government is patently absurd.

    Really? Where does the money that pays for bureaucracy come from? the poor?
  • stopmediabias said on Oct 17, 2009....

    I think a more accurate statement for your post would be Republicans want to make everyone rich while Democrats want to make everyone poor.

    Sean-in all this drooling over Bill Clinton you always fail to highlight that his economic success was because of the internet.  Once the internet boom floundered his economy dropped right into a recession.  You also fail to highlight the disasterous Torrecelli Principle that Clinton passed that said we couldn't get intelligence from bad people.  This and Clintons seriously weak foreign policy practically opened the door to 9/11.

    When GW cut taxes it grew the economy and you know without the Democrat bad policies and call of racism and prejudice Fannie and Freddie would have been held accountable and this financial crisis would not have happened.

    This joining the Bush hating crowd as turned you looney.  Bush in 2000 was the only person to win two terms as governor of Texas, second with a landslide.  And what exactly would have happened with our economy if Bush hadn't cut taxes and grew it to the level he did.  Imagine Gore's taxing for Global warming and then a finanical crisis thereafter, sorry I'll take GW.

  • husbandhater said on Oct 17, 2009....
    Funny how republicans refer to the Dems as commies and it was BUSH and the republicans that were running around tapping lines without permission,arresting people and placing them in jail,oh sorry "detaining" them until he could invent a proper law to hold them under. If that doesn't smack of "COMMUNISM" then I don't know what does. Bush was no better than Castro.
  • SeanRenaud said on Oct 17, 2009....
    Lol.  The problem with the Democrats is that they have failed to understand the nature of money.  It's probably part of their sucess is they don't understand what they are doing.  They seek to redistribute because they think of money as a finite thing.  There is only this much money in the world and that's it.  (the idea that they want to make everybody poor is so absurd I'm ignoring it)  As a result they seek to make everybody better off.

    The problem with Republicans is that they think that simply by adding a few more pies that everybody will get a peice.  They even get the idea that if you lower taxes for the rich and let the people already devouring the entire pie have just a bit more that they will give that extra down the line.  It simply doesn't work that way.

    Clinton served over the largest period of American economic expansion.  He lowered the national debt.  You can sit here all day and pick points at it but it doesn't change the facts. 

    Also Bush fucked up.  If you guys would stop pretending he was a great president but the media destroyed a great man I could leave it be.  Hell I defended him and do defend him when false accusations are thrown at him.

    9/11 was nobodies fault.  You can claim that Clinton's soft hand opened the door.  You can just as easily claim that Texan's shoot first and ask questions never attitude is well enough known that they attacked Bush because they knew he would retaliate and drive sympathizers to their cause (which did happen) but the truth is that 9/11 happened and no American, president or otherwise, is responsible.

    If Bush hadn't cut taxes the economy would have continued to grow albeit at a slightly slower pace.  Taxes don't destroy the universe you know.  The government would have pulled in more money and when this problem hit the government would have had more money in reserve to spend.

    That is one of the hugest fallacies of both parties again it's because neither seems to understand money.  Clinton wisely raised taxes.  Bush should have raised taxes even more.  He should also have started cutting back at government programs that didn't deal directly with national security.  A good step would have been letting UPS, FEDex and other shipping companies deal with standard mail.  Currently the USPS is the only people able to deal with standard mail.  He should have encouraged private sector growth by backing the government out.

    Obama on the other hand should be doing what Bush did.  He should be dropping taxes as low as they can go and growing the government sector in whatever ways he can to provide jobs.

    It simple.  When you have money you should be saving money for a rainy day and when it rains you should go buy a fucking umbrella and some booties.  The current attitude though is when you have money go buy shiny things and when it rains save up money so you can buy and umbrella once it's all over.

    Communism an economic model.  It has nothing to do with anything you just smentioned hater. 
  • ALIENated said on Oct 17, 2009....

    Sorry Sean, if the Republicans had not taken congress back in 1994 and held Clintons feet to the fire (remember the government shut down and the contract with America), Clinton's economy would have been a typical failed Democrat economy. Democrats simply want bigger government because they think a bigger government will dictate their terms to everyone. They want to promote homosexuality and homo marriage, abortion even after birth, euthenasia, higher taxes to stop "global warming", on and on and on. If they were really serious about our economy, they would not fight insanely drilling for our own oil. Liberals make claims of Republicans being in bed with the Saudis and being interested in Middle Eastern oil, yet they are the ones that stop us from drilling. They seem to be the ones on the Middle Eastern payroll. And they claim the war in Iraq and our problems with Iran was/are about oil. Duh. Jimmy Carter made it mandatory to take action against anyone over there that tries to stop us from getting oil. If we were drilling our own oil, they could suck each other and we could keep all that money here in our economy. If Democrats did not back unreasonable union demands maybe all our jobs would not have gone to other countries. Japanese car companies have demonstrated that they can do business here, without the unions, turn a profit, and still compensate their employees. This list goes on and on. And Democrats buying votes is the bottom line on all of it. I will blame the illegal immigrant problem on Republicans. When the economy is better, legal Americans get busy doing higher paying, office type jobs, which causes a labor vacuum and creates a need for people who are willing to mow lawns, paint houses, lay bricks, etc. Maybe that is why Obama is not so concerned about the unemployment problem. He is just waiting for the illegals to go home and legal Americans to drop back to doing manual labor jobs. I know I am considering it.

  • ALIENated said on Oct 17, 2009....

    Bush and the Republicans that were running around tapping lines without permission.

    If you were not so prejudiced against Bush, Republicans, and most likely whites in general, you would give them more credit than that. They were tapping the lines of suspected terrorists. I doubt that your line or my line was ever tapped. (And who cares if they hear my wife telling me to pick up a gallon of milk and me telling her I love her. So what?) And the people who were doing it were most likely the same agents that were in those jobs when Clinton was president. Were they all bad people then. When a new president takes over, they do not just throw everyone out and get a whole new crew. If those people were evil under Bush, they were evil under Clinton. They were just trying to protect our sorry asses against the evil people who are out there. Those sorry assholes that come over here and blow up our buildings and kill innocent citizens. And the funny thing is you most likely think ACORN is an upstanding organization when more and more is coming out every day about their criminal activities. Try to see beyond the color of people's skin. There are good and bad people of every race and religion.

  • SeanRenaud said on Oct 17, 2009....
    Sorry ALIEN.  It doesn't matter if they were the same people.  The Patriot Act hadn't been passed yet so they weren't doing the same things under Clinton.  What's more is that a suspected terrorist is not a terrorist there is no proof there and we have laws protecting privacy.  You get all up in a hissy fit if the government does something horrible like keep a business from failing so people can have jobs but when the government steps into your bedroom it's perfectly okay. 

    Besides as the FBI has proven in the past the term terrorist can cover someone as harmless as Bill Ayers who has a whooping casuality rate of one.  And that one was his idiot partner who blew himself up.  Bush opened a lot of doors in the name of protecting us that should never have been opened.  The things that is frightening is that Obama isn't closing any of them, which I'm not sure if its good or bad.  I mean everybody knew the government has been tapping lines since there were phones and no peice of paper snuck through in the dark of night by a band of theives changed that.  Just made it public.  So I guess leaving it public is honest in a way.
  • ALIENated said on Oct 17, 2009....

    That is exactly the point. If you think government agents can suddenly turn evil because the leadership changed, why would you want to give government more and more power? Why would you want to grow the government bigger and bigger? Why would you want to give beaurocrats access to all your medical data and control over your healthcare? And I do not want anyone stepping into anyone's bedroom. I swear. You have dealt with bloc too much. You are beginning to hear what you want to hear and ignoring the rest. I have said repeatedly that I think homosexuality is a perversion, but that is not my business. If the government wants to recognize homosexual unions, I would vote aginst it, but the majority would prevail, and I would continue to try to overturn it. (I would not go out in my white sheet and tar and feather anyone.) However, if the government tries to force churches to recognize what they believe to be perverted and immoral, that is a whole other deal, and the kind of government intrusion that I think liberals are OK with. Liberals seem to think good, kind liberals will always be in charge, but that is not the case unless we suspend the democratic process of voting. Assuming liberals are good and conservatives are evil, at some point the evil people are going to be in charge again and have a bigger, more powerful government to use to intrude into our lives. For that reason (because I think Obama is actually an evil person no matter what party he pretends to represent), I have no doubt that Obama will try to mess with our election process one way or another. I pray I am wrong, but we will see. The real question is: are his supporters willing to go along with any and everything he does, no matter how far he goes? Based on your unwillingness to face reality, I can only think the answer is "yes" in your case.

  • husbandhater said on Oct 17, 2009....
    Al where do you get the crap you spew from. I'm the last  one who needs a lecture on race and excepting my fellow man. I look my husband in his face and I don't hate him b/c he's white. I hate that he's a jerk,a bully,and teaches my son that the human mouth has no boarder.
     
    WHich it does and respect should be taught to young children. I do care if they heard me asking hubby for milk. B/c it's my right as a citizen of this country to expect "PRIVACY". And yes they were tapping our lines and still will or have you not seen the latest plans to register cell phones and their numbers by NYPD and other police departments across the country.
     
    Acorn is a bunch of fools who fell for the oldest and most stupid of shams in the book when that fake ass mack daddy showed up and asked them for "supposid advice"! I was appauld by their actions and really didn't know what they did except for being the republican and racist Fox news's whipping boy. Anyway it was real as usual Al sparring with you. You have a nice day dear.
  • ALIENated said on Oct 18, 2009....

    I bet I could do some research, go get some equipment at radio shack, and hear all my neighbors cell phone and portable phone conversations. Big deal. I would prefer they are listening to possible terrorist conversations than letting them blow up the mall. Do some research on ACORN and all their criminal activity like diverting funds to Obama's campaign illegally. If you do not have time to research all that, just wait a couple of years for Obama's impeachment hearings. He has had a lot of questionable associations in his past. The Republicans are going to have a wealth of charges to bring against poor Mr. Obama. If you live by the sword, you will die by the sword. And nice talking to you, dear. Sorry about your husband. Bad husbands (and wives) come in every color.

  • stopmediabias said on Oct 18, 2009....

    HH-As usual you are way off.  The NSA program was listening in on conversations picked up on foreign transmissions.  We have the ability to to intercept communications going to places like Iran or Pakistan.  This "tapping our phone lines" is pure nonsense and you know it doesn't work that way.  If we had time to tap someones phone we would just go get a warrant.  These interceptions were from suspected terrorist calling foreign countries.  Once these transmissions go outside the U.S. it doesn't matter if they are Americans or not they are fair game.

    Sean-"If Bush hadn't cut taxes the economy would have continued to grow albeit at a slightly slower pace.  Taxes don't destroy the universe you know.  The government would have pulled in more money and when this problem hit the government would have had more money in reserve to spend."

    Get a post-it note and mark this date down.  Bush started with a recession and then a massive disaster.  He cut taxes and brought a very low unemployment record and booming economy.  Obama gets in and passes a bloated Democrat wish-list giveaway along with raising taxes.  Lets wait a little longer and see what happens.  If Clinton didn't have the internet and the media he wouldn't have even made it a second term.   

  • ALIENated said on Oct 19, 2009....

    Does anyone find it strange that our economy was doing just fine until the Democrats / Socialists took over in early 2007? Was all this possibly a set up to assure a Democrat / Socialist president in 2008? It could be just a coincidence. I wonder if Bush would have proposed the bailout if the congress had been Republican. Notice that Obama came in and proposed another bailout right away. Not that is has done any good.

  • SeanRenaud said on Oct 19, 2009....
    You right it hasn't done any good.  The Stock Market continued to plummet and has shown no signs or recovery at all.
  • ALIENated said on Oct 19, 2009....

    You are not seriously crediting the bailout for that are you? That just shows how good our economy is when politicians stay out of it or do not have sense enough to do anything as in the case of the Obama administration. How much of the bailout money has even been spent? How much of it has gone to fat cat bonuses and Obama supporters? How much of it went to foreign car makers, if we count the cash for clunkers program? How much of it have you seen? Why is unemployment still nine or ten percent (probably more like 17 or 18 percent)? I figure the stock market is doing good because they have decided that everything Obama says is just him blowing wind, and that the healthcare fiasco is about to fail, too.

  • stopmediabias said on Oct 19, 2009....

    The stock market is technically a bull market but so many other areas that should follow right along are not following along.  Like unemployment.  I think people are scared and if I was to make a prediction I think you will see a boost during the Holidays, then it will stay flat.  I hope I'm wrong otherwise it is going to be a long cold winter.

  • stopmediabias said on Oct 19, 2009....

    Maybe we should raise taxes, that will get us through the winter.

  • curmudgeon said on Oct 19, 2009....
    "When Clinton handed the keys over the Bush we had had eight years of (relative) peace.  Our economy was booming and the worst thing going on in the entire world was a blow job from a fat chick."

    How soon we forget. Under Clinton we were bombed by Islamic terrorists around the world and in the US (WTC 1) at least seven times. We committed troops to the Balkans, bombed the Chinese Embassy by mistake, had a near standoff with the Russians, bombed Iraq numerous times, bombed a pharma plant in Tanzania, sent cruise missiles into Afghanistan, lost some 18 troops and killed a thousand Somalis in a failed attempt to arrest some warlord. Oh yeah, North Korea, and, as it turns out Pakistan and India were developing nuclear weapons under Clinton's oh so watchful eye. On the domestic front, Janet Reno made a name for herself by massacring Branch Davidian men, women and children and killing the wife and child of a loner in Idaho. Guess you could say she scored two for national security, except that we got paid back for her outright murder of American citizens in Oklahoma City.

    Yeah, I guess you could call that relative peace. More like peace achieved through willful, selective blindness.

    The Clinton years were marked with the explosion of the tech sector and the internet in the US. If you discount Al Gore's claim that he invented the internet (OK, took the initiative, whatever that means), Clinton personally had precious little to do with American economic growth and the "projected surpluses," the tech sector yielded.

    Funny how Obama "took responsibility" for the economy in June but four months later is still yapping about how it's all Bush's fault.

    If unemployment is still near double digits in three years, Obama will still be blaming Bush and his propagandists will still be playing the age-old race card.
  • curmudgeon said on Oct 19, 2009....
    Oh yeah - I forgot that Clinton also sent troops into Haiti ever so briefly.
  • ALIENated said on Oct 19, 2009....

    Good history lesson. I think I hibernated through the Clinton years. Especially after the Republicans ran Bob Dole in 96.

  • SeanRenaud said on Oct 19, 2009....
    The thing is that all of those were minor military actions.  I mean seriously we lost eighteen guys?  Eighteen? Hell we probably lose that many to training accidents most years. 

    The thing about the stimilus money is there will probably never be proof one way or another if it truly worked.  We can check the daily trends if you really want to go back nine months and check what Obama said or didn't say about the package and various other bailouts vs when the market moved.  The fact is the market is run more on emotion than on logic.  The bail outs are like having a big net under the high flyers.  Can they still do trapeeze tricks without it?  Of course but more people are willing to try once you put the net there.
  • ALIENated said on Oct 20, 2009....

    In 2008, 872 counties supported Obama during the election. Each received roughly $69 in stimulus per person. Of the 2,234 counties that voted for John McCain, the average was $34.

    "There's no politics at work when it comes to spending for the recovery," insisted White House spokesman Robert Gibbs.

    Of course, he's right. No one actually sits down and directs the money to Obama supporters and away from McCain supporters.

    They don't have to. It's baked in the cake. That's the way our national laws are written. They benefit supporters of Democrats, who tend to support big government, and disadvantage supporters of the GOP, who tend not to support big government.

    No wonder polls show people losing faith in the stimulus.

    http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=481816

  • curmudgeon said on Oct 20, 2009....
    If the bulk of the stimulus money has not been spent yet, how can it be credited with any economic recovery? If the economy is in recovery with the bulk of the money not having been spent, how about canceling the rest of the stimulus and reducing the deficit and our national debt?

    I mean, if Democrats are really such deficit-hawks, why not do the fiscally responsible thing and save the taxpayers some dough?
  • curmudgeon said on Oct 20, 2009....
    One could argue that those were minor military actions, or one could argue that all Clinton did was fob off the wars we would have had to fight eventually to his successor.

    The Taliban provided a safe haven for Al Qaeda all through the Clinton years, yet all BJ saw fit to do was lob cruise missiles at them. Somebody would eventually have to go after them.

    Sanctions and inspections did nothing to affect the Hussein regime. Did we really want to wait for him to go the way of Castro, who hasn't even gone quite yet?

    Bush has spared Obama the prospect of facing off with Ahmedinejad AND Hussein, and at least given Obama a leg up on Al Qaeda, which of course now Obama is squandering with his preference for heretofore ineffective remote control missile strikes and minimal troop commitments.

    He may very well succeed at fobbing off these military commitments to another president - who will have to make another major one, or two.
  • SeanRenaud said on Oct 20, 2009....
    ALIEN.  I'm sorry that most of the counties that voted for McCain are fly over states that produce nothing.  Hell I bet if you got me a map I could prove that the 34 dollar spent per person is actually more money.  The 69 dollars that got spent on me was probably spent on a freeway I'll never see.  The 34 dollars that was spent on you probably showed up as a keg of beer.

    Anyway the stimulus money gave the investors the confidence to return to the market.  Just because the trapeeze guy hasn't fallen into the net doesn't mean he'd be up there if you took it away.  At the same time taking it away suddenly and he realizes it's just hard ground down there means he stops leaping around.  You guys really don't understand that the market, expecially the stock market runs on CONFIDENCE.  In fact our entire economy (not just the US but the world) works on confidence.  We exchange peices of paper and trust that you will honor them and give us the things we need to survive.  It's the same thing on a larger scale.  The end result of snatching the net out right now would be a minor ding in the debt but would rob all of the momentem we've got. 

    Clinton should have taken out Saddam.  You've never heard me claim otherwise.  Bush spared who what?  Ahmedinjad AND Hussein?  In what universe do you live?  If those two teamed up it would be like something out of a Saturday Morning cartoon.  They hated each other and lets be honest middle easterners, not much for logic trumps religion.  What Bush has done to Obama is hamstring the military so badly that Kim Jong and Ahmedinjad can run wild without even the risk of reprocussion because we've got NOTHING LEFT.
  • ALIENated said on Oct 21, 2009....

    I think a presidency goes pretty much the way history dictates. I just do not know where Bush bashers think he could have taken a different course. If he had not acted the way he did, BBs would be bashing him for not doing what needed to be done. The funny thing is that Obama will most likely not do what needs to be done (as we are seeing more and more each day) and the media will not criticize and neither will liberals / socialists. The good news is, you cannot fool The People for long, even the ones in "fly over" states and counties. I figure Republicans will sweep out the riff raff that now controls the House and Senate in the 2010 elections and they will force Obama to make those hard decisions that he is incapable of making. And, as usual, Democrats can blame all of Obama's shortcomings on Republicans. Republicans are like the parent that has to tell the child NO. Democrats are the parent that lets the child run wild at Chucky Cheese and grow up to be an obnoxious ass, the parent that has to keep sending money because the obnoxious ass does not know how to take care of himself.

  • SeanRenaud said on Oct 21, 2009....
    Seeing how for the most part Democrats don't talk down about Reagan and downright ignore Bush Sr despite Bush Sr having had an even better reason to take Iraq and either lacked the will or possibly the foresight to see what would happen choose not to.  If Bush had done the right thing and let Saddam putter around until someone else manned up his legacy would be vastly different.
  • ALIENated said on Oct 21, 2009....

    Which Democrats do not talk down about Reagan? Did you slip in here from another dimension? As I have said before, Dubya was operating the way America used to operate when its leaders had balls. Idiots came over here and attacked us so Bush started kicking asses and taking names. Saddam just got caught up in some long overdue housecleaning. Plus, Iraq makes a pretty good base of operations right in the middle of the Middle East. The Iraq war was like the Vietnam war ... just a good excuse to have a shitload of troops and equipment right at the enemy's back door (China in the case of the Vietnam war). Just because Bush's military actions do not make sense to liberals, does not mean that they do not make sense. If it really did not matter, Bush would have pulled right back out, just as Bush senior did, and saved all the heartache and criticism that was reigned down on him. He did what was right for our country, not what was right for himself (like Obama) or his party. Bush was at war with our enemies. Obama is at war with America and what America stands for. Bush was out to destroy our enemies. Obama is destined to destroy America, and possibly the world, if we let him.

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