• Hegemone said on Oct 14, 2009....

  I can see your point I think, or at least a variation.  God/Jesus/Whoever loves you if you love them, otherwise, piss off and burn.  As to whether I agree, or go along with it ... we may never know.

• k666 said on Oct 14, 2009....

  LOL good point, Seer. i was saying to some christians, "don't you think god is selfish for saying 'if you don't love me you'll burn in hell'?" and they were all offended like, "god isn't selfish if he created you and he's offering us heaven and all you have to do is accept and love him!" so then why does he supposedly punish nonbelievers? and do they like the idea that all the other religions think they'll burn in their other hells? a lot of religious people are just ignorant and just can't argue.
  

• raindove said on Oct 14, 2009....

  actually seer most of the time unless i'm shit pissed or something, i believe god loves us. im not religious, not a christian its just something i feel on my own and i believe with all my heart that everything happens for a reason, at the end of it everything is balanced out. it may sound silly but i do believe in the fairness of life, justice, goodness it all exists. thats life as i see it.

• mousenphonic said on Oct 14, 2009....

  I find it strange that people could so easily believe in a place like hell but find it hard to wrap their minds around the idea of a higher being loving them. Think of the circles of hell as being a man-made scary story old people told their kids to keep them in line and then the idea of "somebody up stairs loves you" might make sense.

• UnicornForm said on Oct 14, 2009....

  No. It sais jesus died for your sins. so if you want to be an athiest hes gunna love you anyways. Thats just the kind of dude he is.

• seer said on Oct 15, 2009....

  Hege, K666 and Mousenphonic - Marx said 'religion is the opium of the people', that means its used to control us. If you do something that upsets the balance of society, you'll burn in hell (IE stealing, lying, coveting thy neigbours donkey, that sort of thing).
   
  If you are a religious person, read 'the God Dilusion'. IF you still believe, your mind is closed.

• mousenphonic said on Oct 15, 2009....

  seer: I don't practice an organized religion partly because I have to agree with Marx. But a higher being does not need a man made religion in order to exist. Can you, as a person, honestly base everything around you on scientific fact? If you can, aren't your minds the ones that is now limited to the theories of the same man that in your opinions "created God"?

• UnicornForm said on Oct 15, 2009....

  or maybe your just as close minded as us religious people.
   
  you aint god so how u know
   
  you are 1 part of him, with some of his qualities,
   
  and right now ur using the part that looks at the dark part of the sky
   
  instead of thestars and light.
   
  not that you care but to me u sound like one of those people
   
  who hears but dont llisten
   
  who reads but dont comprehend
   
  cuz ya mind is everywhere else

• seer said on Oct 19, 2009....

  Mousenphonic, I think you're talking about a sort of mysterious unspecified higher power, where nobody knows what he/she/it/they thinks (but its in the Bible!).
   
  My theory is similar to the 'man created God' theory, I think relgion is a building block of society like money, literacy or language, and it naturally evolves with humans because of our brain's wiring - scientists have now found a neuroney-sinapsy thing called 'The Invisible Friend Neuroney Sinapsy Thing', or something along those lines (I'm a chef not a neurological scientitst!), which effectively shows us the thing that makes us want a God, superstision, ghosts, all manner of things.
   
  Uni, I do believe in nature, the beauty and wonder of the world, and the chillingly beautiful stillness that comes from the whole thing being a cosmic fluke. A few miles either way and earth would just be a rock. Just the right distance from the sun, and we've got sunsets, love, Spandau Ballet, wine, olives, superbikes, rock climbing and Pavlova. One hell of a fluke, and I think its beautiful.
   
  My mind isn't shut. Believe me I read so many religious books, and had so many discussions. But when I was at school, being made to 'pray' in Church as a child, I KNEW my words wern't being heard, almost like talking to a brick wall asking it for salvation.

• mousenphonic said on Oct 19, 2009....

  Well, yes. My so-called "higher-power" is a mysterious being who doesn't need to explain his/her thoughts to anything let alone pathetic little humans like ourselves. Sometimes the whole "religion in your face" thing works on my nerves too, like having a boss whose business is going down and instead of trying to save it, he spends most of his time praying for a miracle and waiting for God to do something for him. And the guy with the "In God we trust" bumper sticker driving under the influence on the wrong side of the road on a Saturday night... I do believe that there is something up there, that helps me in times I need it the most, without going on my knees to pray, or paying someone to pray for me. I also believe that this "being" knows what I need and what I don't. And by helping me, it will only open the door and show me the way (metaphorically of course). It's not my slave just my guide. Of course you're praying into a brick wall...The Gods aren't genies. Why should they answer or listen to any prayer at all? No, man wants to be the higher power, and when their lies of a ambient or fiery afterlife and death threats against the innocent didn't stick anymore, they found a new nerve in modern society to pry on: the need to be loved.
   Maybe I'm just one of those suckers that has fallen prey to what could be the biggest hoax ever, but the "illusion" of being loved in a way no human can possibly love me and something bigger than Optimus Prime having my back when I'm really in trouble (Not when I need to win the lotery or I'm expecting a friend who smoked his whole life and is now dying of emphysema to be healed miraculously) No, even if it's a dillusion, I can't imagine believing there is nothing other than what my eyes can see.
   
  Okay, sorry for the long comment, but it felt good getting some of that out.
  Thank you for the thought provoking post though, seer.
   
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• seer said on Oct 20, 2009....

  Hehe that's true mouse.
   
  There is a nofx song 'where is your God now' about a Christian that gets shot in school and becomes wheelchair bound.
   
  Ironic, really, that seeing as God made everything, and he made man, which made Law, then under God's Legal legislation, he is responcible for EVERYTHING, war, death, famine, my hair starting to fall out, my parent's devorce, everything.
   
  Its a shame we can't sue the pope, seeing as he's God's representitive on earth.
   
  The case would probably get kicked out of court, because you can't sue someone that doesn't exist for something they didn't do.
   
  A Christian said to me, 'what would you do if you died and met God'. Well I'd probably give him a serious kicking.

• mousenphonic said on Oct 21, 2009....

  LOL. I've heard about this movie once actually. "The Man Who Sued God" Haven't watched it myself but apparently it's about a fisherman whose boat gets completely destroyed after being hit by lightning.  The insurance doesn't want to pay out because it's "an act of God" so he goes and sues the "Man" himself. I'm unable to get my hands on it but I'm sure it should be some thought raising material.
   
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