• CreativeWoman said on Oct 09, 2009....

  I knew this would have your riled, ALIEN.  To be honest, I was surprised by him winning as well.  Good Morning America said he would have to have been nominated at the very beginning of his term.  He certainly hadn't accomplished anything at that point.  My question is how can he win a prize for peace when we are at war?  Am I missing something?
  
  CW
  

• ALIENated said on Oct 09, 2009....

  No, there is nothing to miss. It is all a sham. He is getting the prize for running down America. Everyone hates America yet most everyone wants to come to America. Obama should really be getting the Nobel Prize for pulling the wool over people's eyes. Plus, I think the Nobel committee is mistaking indecisiveness and inexperience for peace efforts. And the American news media should also be getting some kind of prize for the worst coverage of a president ever. How can people take the president or the American news media seriously? How can the world take the Nobel Prize seriously. Is there a Nobel Science Prize? Who got it? Someone that took the temperature of the earth and found it to be a degree warmer than it was a million years ago? It is definitely time for Jesus to come back before we all degenerate into babbling idiotic morons. As I said in an old post, our grandparents must be turning in their graves. I do not believe in evolution, but I do believe in de-evolution, which is definitely going on as we speak. Maybe Rap music has finally melted everyone's brain to the point that they are not thinking clearly.

• beyondtheveil said on Oct 09, 2009....

  I read where they said the prize was given for speechmaking. Go figure. Evidently that means he made part of the world feel better about itself. I'll bet Obama and his staff were more surprised than we were, though.
  
  Other places are having problems too. They gave the academy award to Sean Penn for best actor. I almost vomited over that one. And as far as the peace prize goes, I have yet to begin recovery from henry kissinger getting it.
  

• CreativeWoman said on Oct 09, 2009....

  I do agree that media coverage is biased on both sides of the fence in many cases.  I also think that each generation worries about the next.  I'm not willing to write off America though.  We do seem to pull through hard times collectively as a people in my opinion.  I think right now we are in a crunch because that's what the media tells us.  We manifest what we believe.  I refuse to let that negativity cling to me personally.
  
  CW
  

• secretlife said on Oct 09, 2009....

  this makes me sick.
  if he accepts this award for doing absolutley NOTHING, then i will know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Obama is an egotist who believes his own hype.---cause there's just NO SUBSTANCE!
   
  He's now in the company of Al Gore, Jimmy Carter, and Yasser Arifat.  Maybe he really does deserve this?
   
   

• secretlife said on Oct 09, 2009....

  oh and the guy he beat out?
   
  Compare this to Greg Mortenson, nominated for the prize by some members of Congress, who the bookies gave 20-to-1 odds of winning. Son of a missionary, a former army Medic and mountaineer, he has made it his mission to build schools for girls in places where opium dealers and tribal warlords kill people for trying. His Central Asia Institute has built more than 130 schools in Afghanistan and Pakistan - a mission which has, along the way, inspired millions of people to view the protection and education of girls as a key to peace and prosperity and progress.

• beyondtheveil said on Oct 09, 2009....

  secret- I wish you hadn't said that about Mortenson. Now I'm sick too. 

• mobil said on Oct 09, 2009....

  I QUIT !!!

• pickersplock said on Oct 09, 2009....

  Maybe it was his consolation prize for not getting the Olympics.

• bluegum said on Oct 09, 2009....

  What a joke hah hah, more material for Hay Hay Saturday  aussie style.anyhow prime minister Kevin Rudd should have got it for the most travelled ,be a shoe in with the most exaust gases.                  Seriously,  the three scientests that have been in the news  with their work would have been worthy of consideration.
  Blue.

• Lucytorial said on Oct 09, 2009....

  Bluey I gotta laugh at the KRUDD factor.... as for this award I cannot believe it, these asses have totally destroyed the value of the award... I agree with Secret - if he accepts I'm gonna puke.

• dyingman said on Oct 09, 2009....

  I was with you until you blame him for getting an award and even if it were true that he told the world how crappy America is, which it's not, it does take some convincing when people saw 50% of my countrymen re-elect George W.
  
  Nobel Prize?  For WHAT?
  My jury is out on Obama, hopeful, but still out.
  
  Nobels USED to be about what leaders have DONE.  Not what they prepared to do. 
  
  
  

• RollingC said on Oct 09, 2009....

  The Nobel Peace Price has also gone political?  Oh brother...there goes the neighborhood.
  But....stay positive....maybe something good can come out of this.
  Rc
  

• gingersoul said on Oct 09, 2009....

  Absolutely absurd........like giving a car to a teenager before he proves to know how to drive...
  
  Just because he is the president of the United States?
  
  This means that they could have given the Nobel even to Bush?? For the same reason??
  
  These Nobel people are freaking me out now.
  

• Eilan said on Oct 09, 2009....

  My question is how can he win a prize for peace when we are at war?
  
  To be fair, CW, Obama didn't get us into the situations that we're currently in.
  
  It's so funny that the people who were thumping their chests and waving their flags when Bush sent our troops into Afghanistan and Iraq are now saying that we should be out of there as of yesterday.  People who protested the US presence in those countries when Bush was in office were considered traitors; as of January, they're patriots.  WTF?!  What's changed about those situations, other than the Commander-In-Chief?
  
  I don't think Obama "deserves" this prize, but I also wouldn't advocate giving it to Bush & Co, either.  The Nobel Peace Prize has been "political" for years, though, so this doesn't surprise me in the least.
  

• SeanRenaud said on Oct 09, 2009....

  What little hope I had in mankind is rapidly fading.  So I'm restoring.  I'm going to start by actively ignoring a question like how he can earn a prize for peace when we are at war.  There has been such an outpouring of stupid from just about every comment related to that that I really want to declare myself something other than human simply not to have to associate with it.

  That said I think we should all go and take a shot.  The Nobel Peace Prize has been a joke for a long long time.  Gore has one for making a movie.  Not for his science because others did the science.  His award is for bringing awareness as if people weren't already aware.  He got it for making a movie.  Carter has one for helping build houses for homeless people.  And lets be honest those guys aside does anybody here even know who else won one?  Who here can tell me (without looking it up) who won last year?  My point?  This award has long since been irrelevant other than as a bragging point.  In honor of recent democrat presidents I think we should give Clinton one.  I mean he taught us all that fat chicks need love too.

• D6fer said on Oct 09, 2009....

  The Nobel panel are hell bent on taking what power the U.S. has left away from us.....Obama is playing into their hands quite nicely....why wouldn't they award him?
  What will happen to all of the America haters when she is no longer able to defend them?
  

• Twylarants said on Oct 09, 2009....

  As the first woman ever, Bertha von Suttner was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1905.
  Not to get off the subject, but does this sentence strike anyone else as strange? I take it to mean that von Suttner won the award for being the first woman, ever.
  I copied it from nobelpeaceprize.org.
  Maybe it loses something in the translation.
  

• bloc said on Oct 09, 2009....

  wow, this is really bringing out the crazy. I make one comment, you can easily pick out rabid partisanship when people blame someone for something they had nothing to do with. 
  
  
  
  

• Cussane said on Oct 09, 2009....

  kind of blew me away when i heard it and quite frankly i think Obama would have shown a lot of class by declining it or donating the prize money to some charity. i heard one person put it this way "it's like the MLB giving the rookie of the year award to a rookie who scored twice in the pre-season, hoping that it will drive him to be good in the regular season"

   

  i have decided that someone has to stop the world, i now want to get off

   

  Cussane

• RollingC said on Oct 09, 2009....

  The article I read said that he will donate the prize money to charity.
  Rc
  

• bloc said on Oct 09, 2009....

  OK, I couldn't resist. Here are my thoughts on this. This prize should go to people who are making serious efforts to do good around the world, but who are not famous or powerful already. This would bring widespread attention to their efforts and hopefully give them a larger platform to work with. This is the idea we all seem to be expecting.
  
  
  However, this is not what this prize has been in the past. secretlife mentioned Gore and Carter who clearly don't fit this idealized prize. Oddly she didn't mention Henry Kissinger who also won the prize, blind partisanship I suppose. Kissinger played a major role in some of the worst attrocities in vietnam, and in the propping up of dictators in central and south america. Given the past winners of this prize, Obama isn't an unsurprising choice. 
  
  
  There is one issue I'd like to disagree on. Everyone is saying that Obama has done nothing to deserver this. This isn't true. He ended torture as an official American policy, and that is significant change. 

• SeanRenaud said on Oct 09, 2009....

  Obama is giving the money to charity.  What was that about class?  Seems someone isn't paying any attention.

  Funny part is that while we are all discussing this Obama is slackening his already pathetic stance on illegal immigration.  I intend to blog on it as soon as I can find a solid article, couldn't this morning.  Obama broke the internet.

• gingersoul said on Oct 09, 2009....

  Bloc....you are right about the true meaning of a Nobel prize.. about Kissinger and about Obama and his action against the torture....
  
  I have a question: did anyone pay attention to the fact that Obama refused to meet the Dalai Lama few days ago? To not upset China that is persecuting Tibetan people?
  
  I am still trying to understand why he did that.
  
  I mean...even Bush met the Dalai Lama.
  
  That has not been very Nobel-ish.
   
  

• woman said on Oct 09, 2009....

  bloc and rolling c~Thanks for a calmer look at today's news. Things I read here make me cringe at the anger and hatred expressed about a man who, while no doubt makes mistakes, is trying. Trying to heal the wounds inflected the last 8 years. Across the board he is trying to heal our country and our relationship with other countries. Perhaps the Peace Prize is premature but I think it is an expression of how the world perceives him, how relieved they are that the former administration is gone, and how much hope he is giving them. The world belongs to us all and Obama seems to grasp that. Obama did not ask for this prize. He did not campaign for it. It was given to him and it appears he was as surprised as we were. Donating his prize money would be fitting and I'm glad to hear that is his intent. woman

• Hegemone said on Oct 09, 2009....

  Sooo .... if I say 'America sucks, and it's been sucking, and we gotta change it .... and we all gotta get along, and I think we will ... eventually ...'  then I could win too, right?

• SeanRenaud said on Oct 09, 2009....

  Ginger:  Even the Dalai Lama didn't pay attention to the fact that Obama hasn't seen him yet.  Maybe some sanity is in need here.

• gingersoul said on Oct 09, 2009....

  Sean......oh, it just looks like the Dalai Lama didn't notice...
  
  But that indifference comes from years and years of meditation.....i think he instead (not very holy) cussed in Ancient Tibetan ...but only between the third and the fourth chakra, that's why nobody heard him.
  
  Beside Richard Gere...
  

• RollingC said on Oct 09, 2009....

  @ Hege.... You mean...a Collective Nobel Peace Prize? 
  
  Rc
  

• Twylarants said on Oct 10, 2009....

  A nuclear arms-free world is a wonderful idea, who could argue that?  Growing up in the fifties diving under your desk every time a siren went off, riding in the car at night watching search lights scan the sky for enemy planes, missiles in Cuba aimed at our coast, losing friends and relatives in Vietnam ....scary stuff when you're a kid.  It's no wonder many in my generation grew up to be pacifists and war protesters. 
  
  But Obama's apology tour was just too much for me, particularly after Michelle Obama's remark about being proud of her country for the first time in her adult life when her husband was elected.
  Eric Holder calling Americans cowards for not talking about race, Janet Napolitano calling returning vets possible terrorists, Bill Ayers lamenting that bombs weren't planted in more government buildings....I just woke up so I can't think of anything else right now, but this administration wouldn't be my first choice if an award is ever given for promoting peace in one's own country.
  

• secretlife said on Oct 10, 2009....

  maybe next year i'll get the nobel peace prize for "trying" to make things better. 

  i'm feeling like singing Kumbayaaaaaa.

  Obama could have said, "no thank you".

  Of course his ego wouldn't allow that.

  Twyla i could not agree with you more.  Are we redefining peace now?  Was it peace being preached in the church Obama sat in for 20 yrs?   Sure...sure...

   

• woman said on Oct 10, 2009....

  Let's not underrate "trying". And let's give a little time to see the results of efforts. Eight years can not be repaired in nine months.

• gingersoul said on Oct 10, 2009....

  Woman.......agree...:-)
  
  And i can't repeat this simple truth enough.......8 years of shit are difficult to shovel out of the barn.....

• woman said on Oct 10, 2009....

  Ginger~ Thanks. It's pretty lonely here and I'm glad for the company. woman hands Ginger a shovel........

• SeanRenaud said on Oct 10, 2009....

  No sane person is saying that Obama isn't trying. Nor that he isn't moving (mostly) in the right direction.  It's not about fixing Bush's fuck ups.  The Nobel Peace Prize is supposed to be an award for accomplishments not for intentions.  This is akin to the music industry giving Miley Cyrus a lifetime acheivement award.

  The only bit of defense there is for this is that the nobody actually cares about the damned thing.  If OBama hadn't won nobody here would have a clue who won, nor would they care. 

• javadewd said on Oct 10, 2009....

  Oh, Jesus Christ, Mary and Joseph! I fucking agree with bloc. Why they give this prize to "famous" people is beyond me. I'd rather root for a nobody or an underdog than a "Rock Star" that I can't stand.
  
  I know... Somebody call the people in white coats! I last saw them at the white house!!
  

• Lucytorial said on Oct 10, 2009....

  I always thought it was awarded to those people who in the arts/social sciences/sciences/ etc etc were doing and proving the worth and value of the human spirit to help fellow man.
   
  Now I do think its rediculous to give this award to Obama, however I think its rediculous to give it to any famous person willy nilly just because they use their wealth to bring to light certain things may of the population already know.
   
  It should be awarded to the person/s who need their profile lifted to obtain the funds and notice of the population to get their work out there..... not for simply taking office and doing what a person in office should be damn well doing in the first palce.

• bloc said on Oct 10, 2009....

  @javadewd
  That's two posts in a row where we agree with each other ;)
  

• gingersoul said on Oct 10, 2009....

  Bloc....are you getting nervous?......lol....

• bloc said on Oct 10, 2009....

  I think we all agree on far more than we disagree about. We just get caught up in the overloaded labels like "liberal" and "conservative". 

• gingersoul said on Oct 10, 2009....

  I agree with you. Political labels are dangerous.... 

• bloc said on Oct 10, 2009....

  when people start throwing around words like socialism or hitler you know any chance at a real conversation has ended. 

• gingersoul said on Oct 10, 2009....

  And what is sad is the a lot of them don't even know what they are talking about...
  
  In Italy we have extremely high level of hostility as well when we engage in political debates....but i have to say that, when i moved here in the States, i got really surprised by the overall good mannered level of confrontations i was watching in tv or radio talks ...
  
  It was like i had landed in Lalala land....but i liked the change.
  
  Screaming and insulting is never the right way to make your opinion heard and understood......neither is filling up your mouth with big words you barely know....
  Underneath some positions (not all of them) that seem apparently different there might be a way to find a common ground once we get rid of the distracting blah blah...
  

• somethingunUSual said on Oct 10, 2009....

  I understand he's just got an emmy nomination and is also up for People's Sexiest Man of the Year.

  Let's face it - the rest of the world hated Bush so much that Obama seems like a saint to them. That's it in a nutshell.

• ALIENated said on Oct 10, 2009....

  Ha ha ha. Obama has stopped something that is all but non-existent, a figment of the liberal media and disillusioned liberals (torture). For that he gets the Nobel Peace Prize? I know it is not Obama's fault that he won the award, but if he was a tenth as intelligent as everyone thinks, he would have declined it and told them to wait until he does something to deserve it. I think this award has become something of a Man of the Year award, not that he did anything worthwhile, they just think is the the coolest guy around. The big question is, will he live up to the expectations, because that is all this is based on. The other question is, will liberals bristle when they hear about torture (if it is so rampant) when it happens on Obama's watch? I dare say they will ignore it just as they ignore every other Obama shortcoming. And no one has changed their minds about our efforts in the Middle East. Conservatives just point out the lack of leadership like Obama ignoring requests for more troops, and the nosedive the moral of our soldiers has taken over there. Thanks to Obama's confused and missing leadership, they no longer know what the mission is. We could put an Eagle Scout in charge and probably get better results. The people that wanted to win in Iraq also want to win in Afghanistan with as few American casualties as possible. That has not changed no matter how brainless liberals interpret it. Obama should not get the Peace Prize, he should get the PC Prize. His presidency is about political correctness incarnate. He is a smooth talking, political correctness pushing, politician. He is and will be the biggest embarrassment of a president America has ever had ... OK, the second biggest after Jimmy Carter.

• javadewd said on Oct 10, 2009....

  @bloc -- Yeah, and if you stopped with the word "torture" and chose a word that actually pin-pointed your actual issue, then I would have to consider un-blocking you from my posts... It's torture, I know.

• bloc said on Oct 10, 2009....

  If a country captured an american soldier and locked them in a tiny box naked, prevented them from sleeping days on end, then when brought out of the box they bound their arms behind their back and strapped it to the wall so that they couldn't sit or lay, only stand in this painful position, then waterboarded them 183 times in a month ....  we'd call it torture. That means it's torture when we do it. 

• ALIENated said on Oct 10, 2009....

  What do you call flying airplanes into big American buildings and killing thousands of people? What is that called again?

• bloc said on Oct 10, 2009....

  I call that terrorism. I'm not sure what it has to do with torture though. 

• bloc said on Oct 10, 2009....

  btw, I think alienated is rudy giuliani in disguise. "Vote for me! 9/11 9/11 9/11." "Don't vote for him! 9/11 9/11 9/11." "Did I forget to mention 9/11?"
  "Be Afraid! 9/11"
  "Give your rights over to me! 9/11"
  

• javadewd said on Oct 10, 2009....

  Have I told you lately that you're torturing me, bloc?

• D6fer said on Oct 10, 2009....

  I find it interesting that most agree that the prize went to the wrong person.....this is rare.....motives aside.

• bloc said on Oct 10, 2009....

  @d6fer
  that's just it, I don't think it's rare. I doubt most people in the world thought it shoudl have gone to kissinger when he got it. Did you? I know you don't like Obama and want to turn this into some sort of referendum on him, but I just can't see it that way.
  
  @javadewd
  9/11 ;)
  

• javadewd said on Oct 10, 2009....

  @bloc : It's 10/11 you dork! Leave it to a liberal to not be able to read a calendar...

• ALIENated said on Oct 10, 2009....

  Hmmmm. You find it irritating that someone harps on the same thing day after day? Interesting. How many people died because of American torture? How many died because of terrorism (on 9/11 alone). I have said repeatedly that I think torture is wrong. However, I do not consider waterboarding torture if it is used to obtain verifiable information. I would consider popping someone with a rubber band torture if it was being used to force someone to confess to something they did or did not do. I would also consider cutting off someone's head on TV torture for the victim and the family and friends of the victim. But that is the kind of enemy we are dealing with.

• D6fer said on Oct 10, 2009....

  bloc...javadewd....looks like the honeymoons over ;p
  
  bloc.....not a referendum....a consensus! lol
  

• Twylarants said on Oct 11, 2009....

  According to Alfred Nobel's will, one part of the prize is awarded to:
  
  " the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between the nations and the abolition or reduction of standing armies and the formation and spreading of peace congresses."
  
  To be fair, Obama fits this description.  Even if he doesn't pull it off at least the desire is there.  I guess the same could be said for anyone with the means and the opportunity to fly around the world and preach nuclear disarmament.
  That would explain Gore's prize, too.  
  
  

• mobil said on Oct 11, 2009....

  I must have fallen through the hole in the outhouse, cause it smells in here and most of this shit looks old.
   
  block I would like to hold you face down in this shit, but I know you'd come up screaming torture. You are a very weird fucking jackass.

• ALIENated said on Oct 11, 2009....

  Obama has the "potential" to do a lot of things, but conservatives look at his track record and figure he is going to stay on the track he has been on for years. That track includes friends like domestic terrorist Bill Ayers (a guy that should be in prison), racists like Reverend Wright, and criminal groups like ACORN. It is funny how liberals bend over backwards to connect conservatives to Nazis or whatever, and wrong-doing. Then, when someone like Obama comes along -- a truly dirty, shady character -- they bend over backwards to look the other way. How can anyone doubt that Obama would approve of "death panels" when he approves of letting babies die if they are born because an abortion is botched? Liberals are shameless in their reasoning, I suppose. Obama may not be Hitler, but, considering his stance on abortion, all the deaths that will result from his healthcare legislation (if it goes through), and the deaths of soldiers due to his inability to lead our armed forces, he will have just as much blood on his hands at the end of his run.

• curmudgeon said on Oct 15, 2009....

  It was a joke when Al Gore got it. The Nobel folks just continue proving that their meaningless award is based more on politics than merit.
  

• ALIENated said on Oct 15, 2009....

  Yep, I have to agree with that one. Gwhore is delusional. I think he got so drunk after he lost in 2000 that it shorted out his brain or something.

• curmudgeon said on Oct 16, 2009....

  "He ended torture as an official American policy"
  
  Mark my words: In three to seven years we will find out it was an "unofficial" policy that will be blamed on underlings and foreign participants. Anyone capable of sending missiles to kill Pakistani civilians and untried "terrorists" and "militants" in a country with which we are not at war is perfectly capable of outsourcing renditions and rough interrogations. Just wait until someone gets pissed off enough at him to leak the information.
  
  I just hope that the anti-torture vitriol will be just as passionate, but somehow I doubt it.
  

• SeanRenaud said on Oct 16, 2009....

  It'll never happen Cur.  Not because Obama won't do it.  He probably already has.  But he's smart enough to make damn sure that anybody who even thinks about narcing gets to have a face to face with Jimmy Hoffa.  Bush's huge sin on torture was thinking the American Public was grown up enough to know what it takes to keep them safe.

• ALIENated said on Oct 16, 2009....

  Sounds like you are saying torture is OK as long as you do not get caught. I think the American public is grown up enough to know what it takes to keep them safe. I also think the liberal news media knows what it takes to discredit a president. Most anyone that blathers about torture would have tortured someone themselves if they knew it would stop 9/11 from happening. Maybe I will write a book about that. Some liberal, with a screw loose about torture, being put in a position that demands torture to stop a 9/11-type event. Never say never.

• SeanRenaud said on Oct 16, 2009....

  I'm saying torture is a fact of life.  And the media doesn't give people their thoughts.  If the American Public was grown up enough to know what is done to keep us safe the media wouldn't have been able to discredit Bush.  It wouldn't have been possible.
  
  The liberal news is a myth, and it's been proven repeatedly to be a myth you just like to stick to it because it makes you happy.  Don't worry libs have their own boogeymen that makes it difficult to talk to them about grown up issues.  It's just annoying because so often I feel like I'm the only sane person in the world.  I know I must be doing something right because both sides think I play for the other team.
  

• ALIENated said on Oct 16, 2009....

  You know what it means when you think you are the only sane person in the world, right? Asylums are full of those guys. I have to assume you never watch or listen to the news if you think liberal bias is a myth. For example, there is just too much in Obama's past that has never seen a moment of air time on the networks, other than FOX, of course. Try watching MSNBC a couple of times throughout the day. It should really be called ONBC (Obama NBC). I think the problem is that big corporations like GE own the NBC networks and big corporations have gotten so used to acting politically correct (to keep from being sued), they have forgotten how to act honestly. Or maybe there are big government contracts to be had. It is more likely that most journalism majors have been indoctrinated in liberal universities and can no longer distinguish liberal propaganda from truth. Global warming leaps to mind.

• javadewd said on Oct 17, 2009....

  FUCK! Would you guys quit torturing the rest of us about torture? Who do you think you are? bloc!?

• ALIENated said on Oct 17, 2009....

  That seems like a perfectly reasonable request to me. I think it is all a bunch of crap anyway. A few isolated incidents that have been touted as the norm by the liberal media in order to discredit Bush. It is similar to the "do you still beat your wife" question. Oops, there I go again.

• javadewd said on Oct 17, 2009....

  FUCK! Would you quit with the wife-beating crap!? What the hell are you, some kind of closet liberal!?

• SeanRenaud said on Oct 17, 2009....

  It would help if Bush hadn't admited his guilt though!

• javadewd said on Oct 17, 2009....

  FUCK! Would you quit with the Bush bashing already!! He has been out of office for over nine months! Have your cow already, damnit!!! It's only fair... Mary had a little lamb.

• Cussane said on Oct 17, 2009....

  who's fleece was white as snow everywhere that liars went bush was sure to go, obama had a late nite show and spent his time teling how america blows rush he had a dimple on his penis and when asked about his addiction he said it was a affliction from venus the right, the left trade partisan blows , mainly on the late night shows but obama, bush, limbaugh and coulter couldn't get laid so they blame it on the other, it'sthier fault they said cussane

• ALIENated said on Oct 18, 2009....

  God, do I have to block everyone? After all, I am the most famous blocker in Soulcast history. Where do people get this crap? I block a couple of people and they assume I have blocked hundreds. ha ha ha. Hey, I would do Coulter in a heart beat, but that is not saying much. I would do most anyone in a heart beat at this point.

• javadewd said on Oct 18, 2009....

  D6, bloc, I'd watch your corn holes, guys!

• RollingC said on Oct 18, 2009....

  Don't drop the soap guys!  LOL

• curmudgeon said on Oct 18, 2009....

  "I know I must be doing something right because both sides think I play for the other team."
   
  Sean, I know you're not on my team and I wouldn't have it any other way. You're too much fun to but heads with.
   
  As for GE and government contracts, that would be right on the money, except NBC and her subsidiaries weren't really pro-government during the Bush years. Just like any other industry, NBC is in business to make money. If there are dollars in catering to the Olbermann crowd, then that's what they'll do.
   
  Fox's advantage here is that they are the ONLY outlet on TV that competes for conservative viewers. I kind of wish other networks would compete for conservatives, because then we could have one niche for small-government, fiscal conservatives and another for social and religious conservatives.

• SeanRenaud said on Oct 18, 2009....

  If we are in agreement that stations do what is best in their own bottom line do you think maybe that the media is liberal because conservatives aren't a big enough market to bother catering to (and I don't buy that the media is liberal to begin with) but this isnt't random.

• ALIENated said on Oct 18, 2009....

  Maybe Democrats / Socialists are easier to bribe.

• curmudgeon said on Oct 20, 2009....

  Sean - your observation may also have to do with economic geography. Liberals tends to dominate in major urban centers like NYC, LA, SF, etc, which also happen to be top-tier media markets and traditionally where media outlets are based. NYC is home to the Big Four Networks, which own cable news subsidiaries.
  
  While the 2004 election revealed that some 70% of journalists are registererd Democrats, it may be that the networks are simply catering to the worldview of the people who dominate their markets. This is not necessarily the worldview reflective of the rest of the country.
  
  Conservative-dominated States are much smaller media markets, and don't generally headquarter advertisers and the like.
  
  Fox is successful because it serves an under-served niche in the national market.

• javadewd said on Oct 20, 2009....

  Shh... You can't say Capitalism... It's a bad word.

• ALIENated said on Oct 21, 2009....

  Fox's advantage here is that they are the ONLY outlet on TV that competes for conservative viewers.

  I heard Laura Ingraham the other night commenting on a report that CNN is doing on Conservatives. She said it was pretty laughable. Their report reminded her of someone reporting on a herd of African animals that no one has ever heard of. "Oh, look at these Conservatives. Hmmm. They listen to this Limbaugh guy and, on Sunday, they go to this building that we think is called a church." What kind of vacuum do these morons live in? Do they think the universe ends at their cubical wall? Do they not know there are more conservatives in this country than lefty liberals? Plus, I think a lot of these morons are taking over big companies and they have been forced to be politically correct for so long, other liberal morons have percolated to the top of those companies. I have worked in some companies over the last decade or so that have things going on that would have been laugh at not that long ago. The liberal media, liberal law makers, and liberal judges have turned the workplace into a homo bar. Is it any wonder that women are taking over the workplace? Most men can no longer stomach dealing with it.

• SeanRenaud said on Oct 21, 2009....

  If there were more conservatives than liberals then you know everything you complain about would never have a prayer of passing.  You're entire life is based on the fact that this isn't true in the least.  Conservatives out number if you are very specific in your parameters.  Like you decide you are a conservative because you believe in God then yeah you win, if I decide your not a conservative until you attend church no less than once a month I bet I win by super landslide.

• javadewd said on Oct 21, 2009....

  Am I the only one confused / baffled over SR's statement?

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