• beyondtheveil said on Oct 03, 2009....

  I'm not taking up for anyone here, but there never was much of a chance for the olympic games in this country next time around. That was well known. It was a hell if you do, hell if you don't situation for him.
  
  It was another thing to grab for those who are always on the attack regardless of the situation. When bush was in office he voiced in public on tv how great it would be to have the olympics here, but demos are in power so the right is cheering the US not getting them.
  
  Imagine that.
  

• gingersoul said on Oct 03, 2009....

  D6......ahemm......not, i don't think the reason people voted Obama was for having the Olympics in the States...it was for getting rid of 8 years of an Olympic long abuse of Bush-Cheney team (who wanted the Olympics in US as well)
  
  
  I agree with BeyBey....
  It was a war lost since the beginning and a lot of people never wanted the Olympics @ Chicago anyway....not because they are against Obama but because of the realism of the numbers..
  Olympics brings only temporary relief to the market but when its over is a debts piling mess...
  
  Naturally all the people who don't like Obama now have this reason to cheer.....
  
  But, hey, if this little make them so happy.....cheer to them...;-p
  
  Psst : ciao BeyBey!...;-D
  *ginger waves at bey*
  

• D6fer said on Oct 03, 2009....

  well of course I am going to disagree with you both....obviously Obama thought he could land the Olympics, otherwise he would never have gone to Copenhagen and wasted all of that tax money to get there.
  
  Can you imagine how big the carbon foot print of the whole operation was?
  They didn't even take the same plane!
  
  So either way you look at this, it was a big mistake.....he obviously thought he had more clout with these folks than he did......takes a pretty big ego, dont you think?
  

• pickersplock said on Oct 03, 2009....

  I think it was the kid getting beaten to with the railroad tie.
  We didn't stand a chace after that.

• D6fer said on Oct 03, 2009....

  I really don't care who got the games....it probably should go somewhere that never had it before......to me this is about the ego of our President....it's about all of the folks who thought/thinks this guy walks on water.....he doesn't even know what he doesn't know.

• secretlife said on Oct 03, 2009....

  Gawd tho you must admit he's arrogant!
  Did you hear him speak?  How he'd love to walk out the front door with his two daughters to see the olympics in his hometown.  LOL....yeah, he assumed the whole world was as in love with him as he is obviously in love with himself.  I really think he believes the world revolves around him.
   
  Personally I think we have alot more pressing domestic matters he should be concerned with-  maybe like that 10% unemployment number and the news this week of another 13-14K  unemployed as Saturn closes shop.

• mOOn_platOOn said on Oct 03, 2009....

  O

  Come on now, guys. A president has to spread himself around to all the topics, heavy and light. What do you want, another Jimmy Carter, mired in dilemmas? D6, you seem surprised to confirm that a guy who ran for president has a huge ego. I think it's more surprising to go back and look at the ones who ran who did NOT have big egos. I can only think of two - maybe three - in modern times. Gerald Ford? Harry Truman? And maybe Dwight Eisenhower. Isn't ego ususally a pre-req for thinking you should be the leader? I think the whole Oprah plus Obamas was a bit of overkill. It might have been too thrilling for the decision makers to have a chance to reject such heavyweights.

  mOre egO.

  O

• secretlife said on Oct 03, 2009....

  O, I just want him to solve the issues with this economy without having to discuss  yet ANOTHER stimulus package. 

  What I've seen so far is change I could have lived without.

• gingersoul said on Oct 03, 2009....

  mOOnie.......i think confidence is the key.....
  
  But not all the presidents had it.......i mean, Bush has zero confidence in himself.....otherwise he wouldn't drink as much as he does or he wouldn't have tried so hard to please daddy
  .
  Clinton has confidence in excess, instead..
  
  Come on, a president who stops in the middle of a tv interview to swap a fly and laugh about it..... ..i see some healthy confidence here...;-)
  
  Anyway, i agree.....Oprah has been the big mistake in that Olympics deal..
  
  Secret.......Obie loves his hometown as much as Bush loves his Texas...where is the difference?......;-)
  

• secretlife said on Oct 03, 2009....

  there's a difference between confidence and arrogance.
  i think it's arrogance if you can't speak to the issues without a teleprompter.
   
  and actually, i didn't really think obama was that keen on America at all-  he's been apologizing for us all over the world.  If i think of him in jeramiah wright's church for 20 years i might believe he's a hater of this country.  he certainly isn't a fan of capitalism.  And I know he wants to redistribute what i have and what i've worked for my entire life and i resent it.  especially since he's an elitist who believes he's above all of it.
   
  Then i hear him inviting the olymics to chicago and i know for sure he's just a hypocrite as i've known all along.  it's all politics to obama.  and if you think otherwise then you are just fooled.
   

• curmudgeon said on Oct 03, 2009....

  D6 - you beat me to this topic! Good job!
  
  Oh man, where to start...Oprah? Oprah? Why? Her American audience is flagging. What makes anyone think that she has any pull in Denmark, of all places, among international audiences who don't give a crap who she is? Remember the Hermes fiasco a few years back?
  
  Shit man, had the Obama's brought David Hasselhof along they would have secured the German vote, at least.
  
  Oprah? Goes to show how little the Obamas know about international politics.
  
  I also have a bone to pick with Obama shilling for his hometown. There are so many other American cities that could have used the Olympic development money far more than Chicago. Detroit comes first to my mind. Turning Detroit into an athletic city could have gone with an overall reinvention of the city as a health care destination - at least, in my dreams. Why couldn't the Obamas have looked past their own parochial concerns and done something for someone other than their old cronies? I mean, he was elected President of the United States of America, not capo di tutti capi of Chicago.
  
  This Olympic failure is just another example of all the world loving Obama because they are free to ignore whatever he says and deny him whatever he wants.
  

• curmudgeon said on Oct 03, 2009....

  http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-olympics4-2009oct04,0,5859370.story
  
  Aww, now the LA Times are covering Obama's smarting backside by saying he wasn't "sold" on the idea of a Chicago Olympics until just a few days before he decided to go.
  It seems Obama made a decision based on faulty intelligence and bad advice.
  Sound familiar?

• gingersoul said on Oct 03, 2009....

  Secret......actually, its very good that Obie apologize for the mistakes that America has been doing in these past 8 years....so where is the arrogance?
  
  Nobody wants to be the one at the party that has to clean up after all the drunks have raided the bar and left behind only dirty and empty glasses...but somebody has to roll up the sleeves and do it, right?
  And if America voted him is because he said he wanted to grab a broom and sweep the floor......and Americans wanted the house clean...
  
  I don't think i am fooled....i really dislike Bush but i don't love Obie either....i can see the flaws where they are. And in those past 8 Republican years i saw a billions of them...
   .
  So if i am fooled, you then are double fooled.....because the people you voted fooled you....and twice......;-).
  
  
  

• Cussane said on Oct 03, 2009....

  i cant believe anyone thought the chicago bid had a chance anyway, the IOC has always had a love/hate relationship with the US, and after the atlanta olympic bombings and the salt lake bribery scandal sorry the chicago bid was done before the ink even dried. what does surprise me is the fact tghat the bid cost 50 million dollars, could we not have put that money to better use somewhere else.
   
  and really the O team (obama and oprah) i think have an an idea there popularity is more than what it really isquite frankly i would like him to spend more time doing what he was elected to do and less time on daytime/nightime talk shows and pr stunts
   
  cussane

• anonymous said on Oct 03, 2009....

  I guess the media attention regarding the honor student who got innocently beaten to death by gang bangers didn't concern them any. I'm guessing the hundreds of people who get murdered in Chicago each year didn't bother them any either. It just makes me mad that they have so much power to actually garner attention to a specific problem that they choose not to do. Sure, they can comment on single 'big' events but won't even mention an event continuously happening in a city they know oh so much about. Erg. Are you mad? So am I. I'm mad at the fact that all the 'big' African American leaders, some society-proclaimed and others, self-proclaimed,  won't get out of their denial and make it a point to do something about the violence killing off innocent school children and bystanders. I can't believe they would just let something like this happen...

• stopmediabias said on Oct 04, 2009....

  This is where I question or not the fact we may be in bizzaro world.  Lets see: unemployment keeps going up, Iran is laughing at us and threatening the world, reasonable and logical healthcare reform has about as much chance of passing as Michael Moore winning a diet competition, we are looking at the coldest winter in decades and the economy sucks but the global warming people are still coming up with ways to spend our tax dollars, and what exactly is our President doing? 

  This is a non-story and really the only part that should be a story is what D6 alluded to which is how much money did these people toss away for nothing?

• kelly said on Oct 04, 2009....

  "...to me this is about the ego of our President"
  
  
  Ah, there it is.  The Republicans would burn our country if it meant that a Democrat would look bad.

• kelly said on Oct 04, 2009....

  "I think it was the kid getting beaten to with the railroad tie.
  We didn't stand a chace after that."
  
  
  Or possibly it was our abusive behavior at entry points to the US.  But whatever the reason, Rio?  Come on, do any of you even know about the huge gang and drug violence going on there?

• gingersoul said on Oct 04, 2009....

  Kelly....agreed.....Rio is one of the most violent and poor city in the world.....
  
  What happened @ Chicago is just everyday routine @ Rio.
  
  I think that Rio won right because of her dramatic situation...like they wanted give them a shred of hope in their gloomy future..
  
  You know, like the Roman emperors that during the most dramatic times of poverty or political turmoil were giving the masses the Colosseum games ...and the mass would forget for while their conditions...
  Its always been like that in history, after all......the rulers know when its time to entertain/distract their citizens..
  
  And about the Republicans...lol.....you nailed it....
  If they can't find anything else....personality would do it....
  
  Like Republican presidents a la Bush father and son, Reagan and Nixon had been these amazing flawless characters....  
  

• anonymous said on Oct 04, 2009....

  Well, perhaps those who voted for him DID want a change. Perhaps we ALL did. But check the polls. What do Americans think of "change" now? I dont beleive we've ever seen a President drop so far, so fast. HE says the reason is racism. I say its his agenda, now widely revealed and well recognized by the American people. It will only get worse for this socialist. And, unfortuantely, the country.

• Cussane said on Oct 04, 2009....

  Here's an idea, you didnt get the olympics because (a) Obama is a media creation and people are beginning to see that, (b) the scandal at salt lake and the bombing at atlanta, (c) the tv audience for the olympics is centered in south america, europe and they have better distrubtion agreements with the IOC, "Kelly....agreed.....Rio is one of the most violent and poor city in the world..... What happened @ Chicago is just everyday routine @ Rio." FYI the murder rate for Rio for 2005 is 32 per 100,000, new orleans, 52.3, DC 43.9, detriot 41.8, baltimore 38.7, atlanta 34.0, st.louis 32.5, and chicago not far behind at 23.4 so following the logic of gingersoul and kelly guess the usa should be lining up for the next olympics, pan am games, world cup, stanly cup, hell maybe even some tennis games

• Cussane said on Oct 04, 2009....

  Here's an idea, you didnt get the olympics because (a) Obama is a media creation and people are beginning to see that, (b) the scandal at salt lake and the bombing at atlanta, (c) the tv audience for the olympics is centered in south america, europe and they have better distrubtion agreements with the IOC, "Kelly....agreed.....Rio is one of the most violent and poor city in the world..... What happened @ Chicago is just everyday routine @ Rio." FYI the murder rate for Rio for 2005 is 32 per 100,000, new orleans, 52.3, DC 43.9, detriot 41.8, baltimore 38.7, atlanta 34.0, st.louis 32.5, and chicago not far behind at 23.4 so following the logic of gingersoul and kelly guess the usa should be lining up for the next olympics, pan am games, world cup, stanly cup, hell maybe even some tennis games

• stopmediabias said on Oct 04, 2009....

  Kelly?

  It was thinking it is quite interesting the Democrats won everything and have a majority in Congress and the White House but these Liberals are still bitching about Bush and the Republicans.  Speaks volumns.

• stopmediabias said on Oct 04, 2009....

  I was thinking...typo there

• curmudgeon said on Oct 04, 2009....

  I just saw a bit of video of Illinois Senator Roland Burris - you know, the one appointed by that Democratic crook Governor Rod Blagojevich (however you spell it) - blaming Bush for Chicago not getting the Olympics.
  
  Burris apparently believes that the world still has a bad taste in its mouth from eight years of Bush.
  
  Strange - all the world is supposed to have looked up to Obama as a new and shining hope of US multilateralism and diplomacy.
  
  And unlike Obama, the Olympics did make it over here when then globally-reviled Bush was President. Go figure.
  
  By Burris' logic, giving Chicago the Olympics would have been a repudiation of hated Bush policies, and a reward for the American People for electing someone the world could respect and work with.
  
  That's not what happened, of course. Obama went on his global apology tour, is apparently going to cough up money to the UN, will soon strangle the economy with his carbon-based nonsense and health-care scam, and is now waffling on Afghanistan - the one war he actually supported - and the IOC still threw him under the bus.
  
  Maybe Obama's global popularity is waning just as quick as it has in the US.
  

• gingersoul said on Oct 04, 2009....

  Cussane......about those numbers you mentioned?
  
  Just to make things straight.....
  
  According to the United Nation of High Commissioner for Human Rights:
  
  "Rio is one of the most violent cities in the world, according to a ranking by Web site RealClearWorld. Home to about 7 million people, it recorded 2,069 murders last year compared with 510 in Chicago, a city of 2.8 million and a finalist contender for the games:.....
  
  You can skip the rest......but this the rest of the article.......;-)
  
  

• D6fer said on Oct 04, 2009....

  Ah, there it is.  The Republicans would burn our country if it meant that a Democrat would look bad.
  
  You're kidding right?.......The dems made us lose a war on purpose (Nam) and tried to do it again in Iraq.......good thing they didn't succeed before Obama was elected.....now he is proving what many of us have known all along.....liberals/ progressives/ democrats = power is more important than Country/ freedom/ liberty.........Why are we still in Iraq?
  

• mOOn_platOOn said on Oct 05, 2009....

  O

  It sounds almost like some folks here would've been disappointed if things had gone Chicago's way.

  It ain't dems and repubs ... it's an antiquated system.

  Aren't local leaders the ones who are supposed to be fixated on local problems?

  I believe we're still cleaning up the mess from the previous occupants.

  BTW - if anyone here voted for Bush in 04 and then voted for Obama in 08, please cease and desist participating in future presidential elections. You're doing more harm than good.

  O

• D6fer said on Oct 05, 2009....

  lol....mOOn....I think I agree with the last sentence!

• kelly said on Oct 05, 2009....

  "I was thinking...typo there"
  
  
  Yep.  That's definitely a typo.

• curmudgeon said on Oct 06, 2009....

  Actually it would not have been that much of a coup if Chicago did win. It's not like the USA has never hosted the Olympics before.
  
  I mean, if there is any perfect place for the Olympics it would have been Boulder, Colorado.
  
  Even if the games had to take place in a major city, for Obama to try to leverage his personal popularity to win on behalf of his hometown cronies when so many other cities in this country really need the redevelopment money...it's just so nakedly corrupt that it's a good thing that Americans finally have to face the fact that he is all image and that just because the world says it loves him does not mean that it will heed him.
  
  Bush was way way more effective in that regard.
  

• mOOn_platOOn said on Oct 06, 2009....

  O
   
  Hey..what Mayor Daly wants, Mayor Daly gets.
   
  O

• pickersplock said on Oct 06, 2009....

  Rio may be more violent, but there wasn't a clip circulating the globe on the internet mere weeks before the decision was made of someone getting beaten to death with a railroad tie.
   
  When you think of Rio, you think of beaches, miniscule bathing suits, and parties!  Whee!
  What images do you get from Chicago?
  I guess Rio is just better at PR.

• D6fer said on Oct 06, 2009....

  good point pickers.

• gingersoul said on Oct 06, 2009....

  Pickers.....come on.....do you really believe that one single video had influenced the whole voting about the Olympics?
  
  When i think of Rio i do think of poor favelas, war drugs, sex market, violence and one of the highest cases of AIDS.....along with the pretty beaches and the bikini.....
  
  And these things have been around by decades, not only the last week...
  
  When i think of Chicago i get nice images actually...vibrant city, lots of businesses, lots of art, music, green and yes, like any other big city, violence too...
  
  I guess you and I read different travel brochures.
  
  
  

• pickersplock said on Oct 07, 2009....

  You don't think one video clip could do any damage?
   
  How about this one?
   
   

   

  Or this one?

  
   

   
   
  
  

• monkeyboyx said on Oct 07, 2009....

  [ UPI ]
   
  OBAMA " IRAN SUCKS " tour 2009

• D6fer said on Oct 07, 2009....

  ginger.....until someone here posted some stats, I though Rio was just fine....I had never heard of all of the violence....it was new to me.
  
  Pickers!.....again....good point!....you're on fire girlfriend! ;p
  

• gingersoul said on Oct 07, 2009....

  
  D6......what can i say? Maybe if you weren't so distracted by those Brazilian knock-out babes you would have know it........;-p 
  
  Pickers.....oh, this is too easy...I could post so many other videos really damaging about some certain Republican people....like the above video, for example....a true fine example.....lol....
  
  But what's the point?....
  
  Again, imho, that particular video about that specific episode that happened @ Chicago didn't change a iota in the decision making of the Olympics....
  
  It's not for that thing that Chicago didn't win ....
  
  

• curmudgeon said on Oct 08, 2009....

  I don't think that one video doomed Chicago for the Olympics. My guess is the votes for Rio were in long before Obama, his wife and their gal pal Oprah made that "huge sacrifice" by taking two jets to Copenhagen.

• D6fer said on Oct 08, 2009....

  yeah....they sacrificed our tax dollars....great.

• kelly said on Oct 08, 2009....

  "yeah....they sacrificed our tax dollars....great."
  
  
  Gettin' religion a little late, aren't you?

• kelly said on Oct 08, 2009....

  "liberals/ progressives/ democrats = power is more important than Country/ freedom/ liberty"
  
  
  Are the Republicans paying you or are you just being stupid on your own time?

• pickersplock said on Oct 09, 2009....

  Hey, I'm no saying it was the only reason, I'm just saying it played a large part.

  Ginger, I think you proved my point that a single video can do a lot of damage.

   

  Let's review shall we?

  Chicago;

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago

  Rio;

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rio_de_Janeiro

   

  Yep crime is pretty bad in Rio.

  But Rio can't lay claim to The Great Chicago Fire, Henry Holmes or Al Capone.......or Blago, for that matter.

  And yes, I know these events and people are long gone, except for Blago, it's just that if you had to pick a vacation spot, which would you choose?

• javadewd said on Oct 17, 2009....

  Change isn't always a good thing.

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