I hate to pop the us all getting along parade here but I gotta disagree Cur. While I completley support the idea that there should be more vocational learning involved in schools and I believe we need a damn near brand new system I'm not sure how you would expose children to the higher levels of the basic required subjects.
I mean for example I'm going to blindly ask this question and then you're going to turn out to be a fucking analyst of some kind but in everyday life how many of us use math above and beyond balancing our checkbooks (if we even do that.) That's not to say we shouldn't teach algebra (and personally I think we should teach the basic concept of algebra as math from day one. I really fail to see how a blank space is significantly simpler to understand than an X. 2+2=x. So the concept is already in place when you start trying more complex things.
We learn history basically so we can debate it in politics. I mean sure it has some other applications from time to time but they seem to be few and far between and the same goes. Most job skills are rather specific to that field and I don't see how you could incorporate them into general education smoothly. Though at this point I think we need to simply pick any country that outscores us and emulate.
I don't think closet nerds should count. Granted I'm not exactly a closet nerd. I don't lie about being a DnD fan and world creator and author and what an incredible effect history and science have on my writing or gameplay elements. But unless it is important to your job I'm not certain it should count.
Again I feel the need to repeatedly say I'm not suggesting we take these out of the curiculim. I'm stating that I can't see what "normal" jobs we would bring in and I think we should be teaching children the skills they will need in school, not the skills they MIGHT need. Sure if you're a palentologist then that whole how much of element A is left after converting to B is left is important to Carbon Dating but I've never needed to Carbon date.
Which is why I support teaching them. However we were discussing that a good way to get children to appreciate these skills would be to increase the amount of vocational training in the education system and I don't see that really helping.
I would be curious. I do think we need to get more vocational training. Course you went to school in a bygone era, I'm also curious what people do in school where you live NOW. But did your vocational training require you to know about D-Day? Was there something on the job that had you applying the Pythagorean Theorem? My entire point isn't that these things shouldn't be taught. It's that increasing the amount of vocational training will not give children the hands on experience with these skills that will make them say "Yes I will need this when I grow up" which I think is a vital part of making them give a shit and not just learn stuff for a test and dump it as soon afterwards as possible.
I think a major step in getting students to give a shit involves changing our culture so that inteligence is valued rather than frowned upon. While this is a problem across the board in America it is particularly strong in the Black and Latino cultures where inteligence is often considered "acting white" and is heavily frowned upon. As much as I dislike Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson up until basically the day before yesterday (ie. Obama) they were pretty much the only blacks that you could point to and say look blacks can acheieve something in this nation (and Condi. Forgot her for a moment there and Clarence Thomas *that is the judge right, not that anybody gives a shit about judges*) The rest are entertainers of some sort, rappers and athletes by large but some actors too.
That why the Asians eat us alive in education and why they still do even when they come to the United States because it's not so much our system that is flawed it's our culture. If it was purely our system they wouldn't thrive in it when they get here.
I meant people who are alive today. I wasn't saying anything about teaching in school either. I meant actual flesh and blood people. I meant Bill Gates. I meant General Patraous (however it's spelled) I mean every US surviving US President, Vice President minus one.
I purposely didn't mention the black rights leaders either, again all dead people.
I didn't say blacks didn't have the same potential. I said that it is not encouraged, in many cases it is actively discouraged and showing examples of it not happening doesn't change what does happen. Heck half my point is that it's a cultural problem.
Doubt we'd actually rules this continent or any other but that's for different reasons