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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090919/ap_on_re_us/us_cursive_angst
 
In a classic case of who the hell needed to do a report to figure out what was terribly apparent to anybody with eyes more and more people are unable to write in cursive.  They are rightfully figuring out that handwriting is becoming an obsolete skill and that learning how to properly type and function on a computer is a much more important life skill and will continue to grow more and more important as we continue moving forward.
 
Most of the arguments against it I find truly laughable.  One is that ancient documents will become unreadable to modern students.  What documents are we talking about?  The originial Constitution and Declaration?  What else has the slightest bit of relevance that is ONLY available in handwriting?  (not to mention enough of the letters are similar that a halfway inteligent person could stumble their way through anyway if they were so inclined.)  Another is what if we find ourselves on a desert island.  Which is the same argument we hear over why kids shouldn't be allowed calculators for math.  The fact is that if we've woken up and we have lost acess to to all our computers we've got much bigger problems than getting exact change back from our twenty. 
 
I'm not against teaching children to write manually, or even cursive.  But clearly the emphasis should be on the skills that they are going to need on a daily basis.  I see cursive as a skill like making your own butter or shoeing horses.  I mean can't I still apply the what if we find ourselves in a world where peak oil occured and everybody has to ride horses again? 
 
Its a dead skill.  Keep it alive for the same reason we keep teaching Latin.  Because someone decided that the past was worth saving. 


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  • uniquely-ironic said on Sep 19, 2009....
    while it makes good logical sense to put the emphasis on typewriting, I still think teaching cursive, if on a basic level to have value.  Maybe not for business.  Maybe not for a lot of daily uses, but for something that is also going out of style.  Personal correspondance.  A letter received in the mail from friend or family, a birthday card with a note.  The warm fuzzy I get from seeing someone who has taken the time to write a personal note can't be duplicated by a note typed and printed out.  So basically, for emotional and artistic sake.
  • SeanRenaud said on Sep 20, 2009....
    You know my father said the same thing.  I just never felt it.  I would rather you type me out a letter than write it.  I can appreciate wanting to receieve a letter in the mail vs email.  That I can understand.  But typing is SO much faster that you can correspond if not faster certainly with more information.  It also helps tremendously when it comes to photos and the such.
  • uniquely-ironic said on Sep 20, 2009....
    I wonder if poor handwriting has led to the preference for wanting a typed letter.  I know some people have such shitty handwriting that typewritten stuff is preferable so that you can read it.
     
    Handwritten things show the personality of the writer.  You can't get that from a typewritten letter.  At least to the extent that you do with the handwritten.  It shows the quirky loops, where they cross their t, spacing, slant, etc.  I recognize the hand writing style of several of my family members just by style.  Can't do that with a typewriter.
  • SeanRenaud said on Sep 20, 2009....

    Sure you can it's simply more difficult.  You've been posting on blogs for long enough that I bet you can usually tell when a poster is male or female even when they have an androneous name.  That's because a person's choice of words speaks volumes about them.

    I suppose you have a good point but I find most of those "quirks" to be silly.  More importantly you get so much less volume out of hand writing simply  because it takes so much longer.  Even a very fast handwriter has a hard time keeping up with an average typist and is blown away by a genuine typist.  Result is that a hand written letter is a page or two long and a typed one is seven pages long and it the typer was still done first.

    I suspect that shitty hand writing has contributed greatly to the trend.  But it can't help that we don't even need to pass notes in school anymore.  We've got text messages, with pictures if you've got a high end enough phone.

  • uniquely-ironic said on Sep 20, 2009....
    LOL well yes, generally speaking you can tell if a blogger is male or female by the content and language.  But!  When I first started blogging here there were some who thought I was a guy.  I don't know why.  Obviously since then that notion was dispelled.
  • secretlife said on Sep 20, 2009....
    have you ever been in a store when the power was out?
    i've had that happen several times in my life-  once in a grocery store.
     
    you'd be surprised how people didn't know basic things like how to ADD without a calculator and how to make change without a computer telling them.
     
    i think kids should learn how to write-  print and cursive.  it's the basics of everything.
     
    but i do agree, that we should be teaching typing in early elementary school-  although rumors say within 10 years we won't be typing much either- it'll be point and click or touch.
  • SeanRenaud said on Sep 20, 2009....
    If the power is out the grocery store has a much more important problem.  Keeping the food from going bad.  Not to mention a power outage hardly concerns your cellphone or pocket calculate (or in some cases your watch)
     
    Hardly any adults use cursive already for anything aside from theis signature (and as some one who receives checks and credit cards most don't even have a signature, they have a letter followed by a squiggle.
  • secretlife said on Sep 20, 2009....
    sean:  in the area i live in, a power outage rarely lasts longer than an hour-
    but i've been in my local A&P when the power was out, and the 10 or 15 people at the checkout still want to be checked out....
     
    the manager was using a battery-operated calculator, but the clerk did have to make change.
     
    that was a problem.
     
    i grew up in a family business.
    when we lost the cash register, we wrote down the number on the bags, added the colums and checked our work.
     
    maybe that's asking alot.
    but making change seems pretty basic to me.
     
    the only reason i ever use cursive is for my signature.  if i write a letter or a check, i print.  still i'm glad i can do both.
     
  • SeanRenaud said on Sep 20, 2009....

    But you're making my point on cursive.  You use cursive for ONE reason.  To make a signature and you grew up in a family business.  So tell me that I'm wrong.  Tell me that 50% of of signatures are legible.  Tell me that the majority aren't a single letter (as often in Print as not) followed by a squiggle.

    Just listening to you I highly suspect you are significantly older than me and you must live in a worse area.  For me a power outage rarely lasts more than long enough to knock out your television.  An outage of more than a full minute is rare and more thirty minutes is a minor disastor.

    I'm not denying that people should have some idea of how to perform math and print.  I'm not even against teaching cursive though I strongly feel its wasted time that could better be spent on other things.  Just like I think that we could spend LESS (not no) time on basic math and also teach algebra much earlier.  At the very least we could express math problems from the get go as 1+1=X.  I think that alone would introduce the basic concept and speed up later progress

  • javadewd said on Sep 28, 2009....
    Calligraphy has always been a liberal art. It's amazing, though. Liberals will fight for putting an embryo in a jar full of piss, but God forbid we actually learn a fancy style of writing or written communication. What's next? Outlawing ebonics? Where's the NAACP!?
  • SeanRenaud said on Sep 28, 2009....
    What?
  • javadewd said on Sep 29, 2009....
    All cursive writing is just a style of calligraphy, or for the liberals in the room : a fancy way of drawing letters.

    Man, don't make me link you to wikipedia. I know you're smarter than that!
  • SeanRenaud said on Sep 29, 2009....

    Cursive is not used because it's fancy, it's used because it's faster.  Comparing cursive to calligraphy (regardless of their roots) is like comparing bonza trees to logging.  Sure they both involve cutting trees but they really aren't that similar.

     

  • javadewd said on Sep 29, 2009....
    Calligraphy would be the only worth-while argument for keeping the shit around. Even drafting students don't draw their own letters anymore...
  • SeanRenaud said on Sep 29, 2009....
    Which was my point from the get go.
  • javadewd said on Sep 29, 2009....
    It is Calligraphy, though. I guess it's more of a "visual art," but again, no liberals sweeping in to defend it... Puzzling.
  • SeanRenaud said on Sep 29, 2009....
    Because it doesn't need defending.  It's an art and will live or die on it's own merits of beauty.  Very rarely (if ever) is there an organized  movement to protect a specific kind of art. 
  • javadewd said on Sep 29, 2009....
    ...Of the most deranged, as was my point towards the top there...
  • SeanRenaud said on Sep 29, 2009....
    That wasn't being taught in a school as a vital skill.  When we start teaching 3rd graders to preserve embryos in piss tell me.  Just like I'm a Marine and as upsetting as it is that an American would burn the flag that is what the first amendment is there for.
  • javadewd said on Sep 29, 2009....
    Exactly! Yet somehow these absurdities multiply... It's uncanny.
  • SeanRenaud said on Sep 29, 2009....
    They really only multiply if you hunt them.  If you just live your life they don't happen at all.
  • javadewd said on Sep 30, 2009....
    Yeah, the whole piss in a jar idea was like a 1200lb buck, right?

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