• SeanRenaud said on Sep 16, 2009....

  We'll see what specifics were happening at his office but I assume he was privy to whatever was going on at his local office.

• curmudgeon said on Sep 16, 2009....

  Good point, Sean. It is a nationwide organization. What is so funny is that ACORN is in bed with the SEIU, but resists unionization of its community organizers.
  
  The rationale? If community organization workers were unionized, ACORN could not hire as many of them.
  
  Seems even some liberals understand basic resource management.
  

• SeanRenaud said on Sep 16, 2009....

  I'm not a big supporter of Unions.  I think they did their job nearly a century ago and now mostly they cause more harm than good.  As long as the right to form Unions is never touched I could care less.

  But it is a big organization and if you pay attention we hear plenty of stories about prostitution and arms rings within the military but nobody says (well very few people say) the military is carte blanche evil.  I don't really give a shit how this whole thing goes down with ACORN myself.  I assume they are corrupt, you'd have to be to some degree simply to move in the circles that they do. 

• sheltercrow said on Sep 16, 2009....

  Excellent. The link works. Well lets get started. What the article doesn't say is better than what it does. Some refresher material is in order here. Question. Why does no one else give the FOX story a lot of hype? Hum... homework time. And so many questions.
  
  
  Hannah Giles – Who’s Her Daddy?
  
  ...in addition to her articles on uber right wing Town Hall, she has a very interesting progenitor. Her real daddy is an interesting character...
  
  Hannah’s Daddy is none other than Doug Giles, media award winner (?) and “theologian,” who has a show on “Clash Radio.” He also writes (such as it is) columns for Town Hall.
  
  
  Doug Giles' CLASHVIDEOS's Channel is pretty interesting. I can't but wonder if the pastor is trying to make money off the thing.
  
  Fox News was Punked By ACORN.
  
  
  On Hannity, as on Beck, earlier, viewers were treated to ACORN’s Tresa Kaelke's story about how she used to work for an escort service, her tips for how Giles and O’Keefe might cover up their prostitution business in order to acquire a home for themselves and their underage girls from El Salvador, and the “explosive” news that Kaelka had killed her husband.
  
  The only problem? It’s not true. As ACORN has stated in its press release.
  
  
  More here... Glenn Beck Tries To Rally The Country Around Fake ACORN Video
  
  
  
  What is the real subject of this James O’Keefe video (veritasvisuals's Channel)? lol.
  
  
  
  What is the purpose of the first 15 seconds of this video? lol
  
  

• D6fer said on Sep 16, 2009....

  sheltercrow....well if ACORN released a press release refuting the claims, then it must be false...........HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
  
  Oh shit....I thought you were serious for a minute!......tell me you weren't!
  

• sheltercrow said on Sep 16, 2009....

  Well if you read, you do read don't you d6fer, the circumstances surrounding this incident are all very dubious. It goes along with beck's 'latest hallucinatory escapade' calling Rockefeller Plaza, where FOX news has it's headquarters, and where Beck works, a hot bed of socialist and communist propaganda.
  
  
  
  You are entirely too one dimensional. Go back to your industry press releases and fox nations blogs. If you had the time, you might get a laugh or two at all the shenanigans going on. 

• curmudgeon said on Sep 17, 2009....

  Fox News is located on Sixth Avenue, more or less across the street from Radio City Music Hall.
  
  NBC also has its studio just down the road. USA Networks I believe still has their headquarters in Rockefeller Center.
  
  If there weren't anything to this story, why would ACORN's supporters in the Senate abandon it so quickly? Why hasn't Obama stepped up? After all, he was a lawyer for them. Is Glenn Beck really that influential, especially seeing that he is such a well, curmudgeon on TV?
  
  Man, if liberals abandon their longtime bed partners with a little "illegitimate," "doctored" video created by right wing crackpots, what else will they abandon when times get tough? Afghanistan, perhaps?
  

• secretlife said on Sep 17, 2009....

  i heard the head of ACORN last night say she was going to sue for entrapment.
  i had to laugh.
  no denials.
  but entrapment?  you've got to be kidding me-
   
  i agree with you cur-  if it wasn't true, why did they cut off funding so fast?  and if it wasn't true, why isn't obama speaking up about this.  He certainly gets enough time in front of the camera to speak about healthcare.....
   
   

• SeanRenaud said on Sep 17, 2009....

  Also why did Acorn suspend the workers AND launch and interneal investigation.  Now they have every right to sue for entrapment and the the photographer should they be found should be basically be destitute after this but that is beside the point.

• javadewd said on Sep 17, 2009....

  Does anybody else consider MSNBC as a credible source of news? Oh, wait, since shelter says that Glenn Beck is not credible, then I guess because MSNBC runs an opinion piece on it, they must be credible. You ass-backwards liberals can't handle truth. You just make it all up as you go along. I bet you can't even define the word "is" anymore. Thank you, Wet Willy Clinton!

• sheltercrow said on Sep 17, 2009....

  curmudgeon: Putting latency problems aside. It's still too early. The 'filmmakers’ efforts failed at five ACORN offices, including Philadelphia and San Diego.'
  
  I would assume:
  
  The ACORN people had notified it's other offices about these people.
  These kind of smear shenanigans occurred often at ACORN.
  The ACORN people are not rehearsed actors doing a smear film.
  The ACORN people are hardly professionals.
  
  ...why would ACORN's supporters in the Senate abandon it so quickly?
  
  It was the House, not the Senate, that voted 345-75, on a procedural vote, to cut off all federal funding to ACORN.
  
  ACORN did not have a lot of active supporters in the House or Senate to start with. What appears to the paranoid right, like you guys, to be a senators or representatives support, was actually the politicians looking for votes. Other than pandering for their votes the majority of the democrats could care less about ACORN. Even McCain pandered for the ACORN votes.
  

• stopmediabias said on Sep 17, 2009....

  Before any of these videos came out ACORN was accused of voter fraud in multiple states.  President Obama is affiliated with them and the voter fraud favors the Democrats, hmm.  Now an undercover investigative filmaker discovers some of the other activities ACORN is up to and suddenly we have a vast right wing conspiracy.

  Why isn't Holder going after acorn?  Isn't that his job?  Has he even commented about it? 

• sheltercrow said on Sep 17, 2009....

  stopmediabias: As usual you're too lazy to actually check your facts. Was any ACORN employee ever convicted of voter fraud?
  
  
  Neither ACORN nor its employees have been found guilty of, or even charged with, casting fraudulent votes. What [the paranoid right, like you,] calls "voter fraud" is actually voter registration fraud. Several ACORN canvassers have been found guilty of faking registration forms and others are being investigated. But the evidence that has surfaced so far shows they faked forms to get paid for work they didn’t do, not to stuff ballot boxes.
  
  [...]
  
  Dan Satterberg, the Republican prosecuting attorney in King County, Wash., where the largest ACORN case to date was prosecuted, said that the indicted ACORN employees were shirking responsibility, not plotting election fraud.
  
  [McCain makes exaggerated claims of "voter fraud." Obama soft-pedals his connections]
  

• sheltercrow said on Sep 17, 2009....

  stopmediabias: ...an undercover investigative [filmmaker]?
  
  A common thread to all your comments is never actually understanding what you are commenting about.
  
  James E. O'Keefe is nothing more than 'a conservative activist and journalist' making sensationalist videos to serve his conservative cause. Before this he and Lila Rose "came up with the idea to have her pose as an underaged pregnant teen, go into Planned Parenthood clinics, and tape the conversations that followed."
  
  In 2008 O'Keefe posed as a donor to Planned Parenthood and "specified his gift should go to fund abortions of minorities because 'there are way too many black people.'"
  
  
  After releasing audio of the conversation, Planned Parenthood issued an apology for the behavior of the staff member on the phone and said their behavior was inappropriate.
  
  However, as a practical matter O'Keefe's professed desire to direct his gift to blacks would have had no impact on the policies of Planned Parenthood, which provides services to members of any race. ...So the staff member was simply humoring a crank, not making or stating policy.
  
  
  I'm perplexed you haven't tried to pass off this person off as a journalist. Because of course he is not.
  
  
  It's not journalism unless they report everything that happened. It's propaganda.
  
  
  If you take the time to find out what they say they did and what they actually did you will find a bit of dishonest reporting on the part of Mr. O'Keefe.
  

• sheltercrow said on Sep 17, 2009....

  Clarification: ...'a conservative activist and journalist' comes from O'Keefe's bio. This activity of his amplifies his 'conservative activist' role while at the same time questions his role as a 'journalist.' To be honest, while it seems noble to exemplify the conditions found in the code of ethics at the Society of Professional Journalists, the world of journalism does seem, at times, to place ethical considerations aside in it's zeal to get at the truth. Lets hope for the best and enjoy the story as it unfolds.
  
  Correction: The comment should read 'I'm perplexed you haven't tried to pass this person off as a journalist. Because of course he is not.'
  
  Comment: Could this be an example of media bias? Stop media bias now! lol.
  
  
  
  You think this guy fooled anyone when he showed up at the ACORN office?
  
  The story does have a point. ACORN needs to screen employees better and maybe invest in employee training programs. And lets hope this is a learning experience for all concerned. Which includes the media.
  

• stopmediabias said on Sep 18, 2009....

  It doesn't matter what he is or isn't he got ACORN people on tape breaking the law.  Was the tape fabricated?  NO, these guys got busted and ended up getting fired for it.  Don't shoot the messenger.  Plus your a fan a Michael Moore who puts out complete trash and you Liberals take him as an expert.

• sheltercrow said on Sep 18, 2009....

  stopmediabias: Are you a member of your local chamber of commerce or are you naturally this dense?

• SeanRenaud said on Sep 18, 2009....

  I'm not a fan of MM.  I think he's Rush Limbaugh's psycho clone.  They are both the scum of the earth and we'd be better off if both were to show up dead.

• javadewd said on Sep 18, 2009....

  How did Clint Eastwood say it?
  
  
  "Michael Moore and I actually have a lot in common - we both appreciate living in a country where there's free expression.  But, Michael, if you ever show up at my front door with a camera - I'll kill you."  The audience laughed, and Eastwood added, "I mean it."
  
  
  Man, Clint Eastwood rocks.
  

• sheltercrow said on Sep 18, 2009....

  Michael Moore's waste management proclivities aside. Is this a circle jerk or just a sacred zombie ditto-head moment? All the hardcore stop in for a drive-by on poor Michael Moore? See stopmediabias do Michael Moore. Must... make... zombie... comment. Must... make... zombie... comment. Must... > SeanRenaud > Pecker-wood.
  
  Oh the humanity!
  

• javadewd said on Sep 18, 2009....

  Why does this come up every time I google sheltercrow? Hmm... Must be a social virus or something. Let's all play it safe and make sheltercrow wear protection, m'kay?
  

• sheltercrow said on Sep 18, 2009....

  Must... make... Pecker-wood... comment. Must... make... Pecker-wood... comment. Must...

• javadewd said on Sep 18, 2009....

  Boobs... The cure for world peace, or simply what sheltercrow is imitating... You decide!

• sheltercrow said on Sep 18, 2009....

  stopmediabias: Speaking of voter fraud. Lets see what we have for real cases.
  
  
  If only the Republicans who have worked up a frenzy over ACORN's alleged crimes were so indignant about real and damaging voter fraud -- such as the amazing case of Young Political Majors, the firm that ran GOP registration efforts in California, Massachusetts, Florida, Arizona and elsewhere before the authorities in Orange County, Calif., busted its president, Mark Anthony Jacoby, and sent him to jail last year. He had built a lucrative partisan career by teaching his minions to deceive thousands of voters into registering as Republicans rather than Democrats, among other scams. Of course, the only on-air mention of the Young Political Majors scandal on Fox News was made by blogger Brad Friedman -- and the national media, mainstream and conservative, generally ignored it. They were too busy generating "controversy" over ACORN.
  
  
  Source: Salon Media Group
  
  

• stopmediabias said on Sep 19, 2009....

  Shelter your links as usual are way off.  Set aside the fact you are sourcing some of the most biased news sources in the world they don't prove your point.  You should probably read over your links before you post them.  There is no comparison between the idiot you mentioned above and ACORN.  ACORN is a federally funded giant of organization that our current President used to work for, the YPM isn't even close.

  Do you believe ACORN is just some innocent bunch of community organizers who became the victim of a vast right-wing conspiracy?

  Sean-you get meaner everytime Barack Obama's poll ratings dip, do I detect some buyers remorse?  Are you starting to realize that President Obama is Jimmy Carter on Steroids?  How come your buddy Eric Holder isn't going after ACORN?

• SeanRenaud said on Sep 19, 2009....

  No buyers remorse would be what Republicans STILL refuse to admit they have over Bush.  They stick to the idea that Gore/Kerry would have made all the same fuck ups and a fuck ton more.  Obama has made a few mistakes and I have and will continue to note them.  Just like I didn't constantly bash Bush (particularly not when he was doing the right thing) I don't intend to flatter Obama even when he screws up.

  Not to mention half of what happened to Carter wasn't his fault.

• curmudgeon said on Sep 19, 2009....

  Until this video undid ACORN among our representatives, this left-wing organization was going to be involved in the US Census. Thankfully, now they are not.
  
  Whatever the filmmaker's agenda, thanks to him for exposing this organization for what it is. As far as I am concerned, he has done a valuable public service. ACORN ought not be involved in any of government's machinations, especially one as crucial as the US Census.
  
  Shame on Obama and every liberal who even thought of having these folks participate in the workings of government.
  

• sheltercrow said on Sep 19, 2009....

  stopmediabias: Playing to the choir is not going to change anything. And. Until you actually make a point worth responding to why waste the time? You will just repeat yourself Ad nauseam like you are doing just now.
  
  curmudgeon: ACORN is not participating 'in the workings of government.' They're helping people to register to vote. At least most of them are.
  

• curmudgeon said on Sep 19, 2009....

  Shelter, I was referring to ACORN participation in the Census.
  
  Nobody needs "help" registering to vote. I have registered and changed my registration every time I moved. It is ridiculously easy. Registration forms come to me printed in multiple languages. Processes exist where people thrown off voter lists can vote by paper ballot. No organization - especially an organization as nakedly partisan as ACORN - need intrude in the voting process. These organizations are no less corrupt nor less detrimental to our system of representative government than the ones that conscripted voters by force in the nineteenth century. Yes, that goes for Republican registration drives as well.
  
  If people are not self-motivated, that is their choice.
  

• sheltercrow said on Sep 19, 2009....

  curmudgeon: The U.S. Census Bureau does not participate 'in the workings of government' either. They are a reporting agency that provide data about the 'people and economy.'
  
  You may have the inherent tools to register to vote but many do not. Race, gender, social status, fear and ignorance prevent many from taking that 'ridiculously easy' step.
  
  Having lived in a few other parts of the country I have always been amazed how we are all so different. The conditions of our lives are so different. It's quite startling.

• SeanRenaud said on Sep 20, 2009....

  It really hurts my feelings and pride to say Shelter is right.  I'd just about deny the Holocaust simply to keep from agreeing with that bitch whore.  But she's right, and look she's used her own words at least twice in this blog!

   

• stopmediabias said on Sep 20, 2009....

  Shelter-LOL that is your standard fits all answer went you can't or won't answer a question.

  The US Census Bureau is a government agency so of course they participate in the workings of government by providing valuable data that can be used to change and even make policy.  The Bureau often contracts out to certain groups (ACORN) to assist in data collection.  I personally am agast that this pathetic group gets any federal funds or has anything to do with the census.

  Registration drives should be illegal because they are too easy to corrupt.  We had Democrats in our area going to nursing homes and helping seniors get "registered" and oh since many are in wheel chairs they would give them an absentee ballot.  It was a "just sign here" and we will fill in the rest.  There should be a vast array of non-partisan resources that show people how and when to register and the same with voting.  

• sheltercrow said on Sep 20, 2009....

  stopmediabias: Only a fool, trying to win a debate, could make such a leap in logic. The US Census Bureau is a reporting agency and does not make policy. Policymakers can choose to use or ignore the Census Bureau reports, CBO reports or the GAO reports. But it most assuredly does not participate 'in the workings of government' in any decision making capacity. One can assume that if it did it would have a cabinet posting which it does not.

• SeanRenaud said on Sep 20, 2009....

  SMB.  Do conservatives the world over a favor.  SHUT THE HELL UP.  Some how sheltercrow, an idiot who is so fucking stupid and boring that 90% of her posts are only commented on by herself (or go ignored all together) is running you from pillar to post and making you look stupid in the process.

  Lets take your last paragraph which she mercifully skipped.  I would like you to explain to me how Democrats getting seniors registers (which at a nursing home is likely a legit thing as I'd be willing to bet a lot of them no longer drive and as such are "off radar" for government stuff or handing out absentee balots (which I"m just taking your word at.  In California you COULDN'T do that because the ballots are mailed out with your name printed on them already.  But I'll just assume you live in a backward state since there are only a few states that actively participate in the 21st century (and Texas is the only Republican one).  How does that corrupt a damned thing?  If anything that action is counter productive.  Elderly people vote as a block and are notoriously conservative particularly on social issues.  Democrats doing a drive at an elderly home is like Republicans doing a drive in the inner city.  It's damn near charity for the other side.

• stopmediabias said on Sep 21, 2009....

  It is splitting hairs but IS THE FUCKING CENSUS BUREAU A GOVERNMENT AGENCY OR NOT?  YES IT IS, WHICH MEANS THEY DO GOVERNMENT BUSINESS. 

  This is why there was such an outcry at the beginning of the year when the Dems tried to mess with the census.  The census is the foundation for just about every domestic policy decision that is made and yes policymakers, authors, and the media can choose to ignore it but that is not generally what happens. 

  I heard of a number of people that voted in a local election here that were actually dead.  This is because these politicians would go into nursing homes and start talking to people and when the subject of getting registered and voting comes up they'd tell them they can vote without leaving the nursing home with an absentee ballot.  Most of these people are being duped and just think it is some nice lady helping them.  We discovered one lady that had voted for a hardcore Democrat and she was a life-long Republican and dead about two weeks before the election.    

• sheltercrow said on Sep 21, 2009....

  stopmediabias: More drivel from the far right loon.
  
  The US Census Bureau reports may, or may not, be used for a 'domestic policy decision.' Domestic policy is based on the ideology of the party in power. The US Census Bureau reports are used, like any other data base, to support whatever ideology is currently being shoveled.
  
  The Census Bureau is merely a data collection agency and not a 'foundation' for anything unless of course it's reports, often manipulated, support whatever the current regime supports.
  
  By the way. 'I heard' is a of contradiction of 'We discovered.' Nothing seems to have changed with your drivel database.
  

• stopmediabias said on Sep 22, 2009....

  The question wasn't what does the census bureau do, the question was does it do government business and should a group like ACORN have anything to do with government business.

  "By the way. 'I heard' is a of contradiction of 'We discovered.' Nothing seems to have changed with your drivel database."

  You're right except for the fact that it wasn't used in the same sentence.  In my haste I thought I could sneak it by considering my audience :> The intention was suppose to be the "I heard" lead to a closer look at the situation by a group that discovered a life long but presently dead Republican voted for a Democrat.   Woops. 
  

   

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