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Spiritual, not religious - It's not splitting hairs.  My colleague called me a religious fundamentalist.  Neither is correct.  I have yet to find a religion that encompasses my curiosity or allows enough tolerance not to offend parts of my soul.  And a fundy?  REALLY?  Yikes.  Name calling, ah - the bane of intelligent discourse.
 
I'm spiritual, not religious.  Do I practice certain rituals?  Yep.  I go to church every Sunday.  I use a Buddhist meditation technique, but I also use a Hindu mantra at times.  I read the Bible and the Koran regularly.  Right now, I am reading the Westerner's guide to the Gita.  I'm not indecisive.  I follow Christ, but at the same time, I am convinced that human limits cannot possibly express or possess the entire truth about God in any one book or tradition.
 
Do I believe in evolution?  Not sure - seems plausible, but only to a certain extent.  There is very little separating humans from monkeys in terms of DNA, and yet, we are so profoundly different.  There's an imprint of the Divine in every aspect of creation, but especially humans.  Our potential is untapped for the most part, and even what we see now is incredible and amazing.
 
Do I believe in Creation?  Seven literal days?  Uh, no - but then again, I believe that time is a human invention.  God doesn't do time.   Its that whole everywhere at once, thing.  And - theory of relativity ... what's moving, what's standing still?  Why are we expanding?
 
Big Bang?  Perhaps - but again, insufficient explanation.  Where's all this order come from?  What happened to the chaos?
 
It's actually the science that drives my spiritual beliefs.  Maybe someday something will compel me to reconsider, but I doubt that very much.  I am just as astounded by my colleague's atheism as he is by my certainty that there is indeed a Higher Power.
 
How often do we ask questions in science, even when there's no firm, quantifiable, causal relationship?  I can't prove there's a God, but that doesn't refute God's existence.
 
The intricacy of Creation is in itself a testimony.  The more I learn about the human body, the more I am amazed at how well it functions when there is so much potential for things to go wrong.  Health intrigues me far more than illness.
 
And as for the presence of evil in the world - that doesn't refute the existence of a God, either.  Dark and light are contrasts.  One does not negate the other. 
 
The existence of evil doesn't prove God is absent, but it does raise questions about God's nature, our nature, and the way they interact.
 
How easy it is to simply turn your back instead of asking more questions.  Be skeptical - of course you should!  How could anyone claim an authenticity of faith or belief without admitting doubt?  There's just no way.  Doubt forms seeds of knowledge.
 
Seek and you will find was not a one-time only offer.  The Greek translation of that particular passage uses a perpetual tense - KEEP ON seeking, KEEP ON asking ...
 
Stop being lazy and close-minded with your insults.  Tolerance is such a better option.  I suppose I wasn't being all that Christian when I said I would pray for you - nope, that was the sarcastic, fallible side of my human nature coming through.  I will pray for you, but it shouldn't be said as a threat or because I knew it would infuriate you.  BUT - in all honesty, I am gratified that it did! 
 
Am I being immature?  Yep.  A little nasty and condescending?  Yep
 
BUT ...
 
"Stupid?"  Aha - you might want to reconsider, at least from an academic perspective.  Put my CV against yours and we'll talk about stupid. 
 
You didn't appreciate the Biblical quote that started my lecture on light?  Tough noogies.  The Bible is a legitimate work of literature, and so is the Koran.  I quoted that too, just in case you were just too disturbed to hear it! 
 
"To seek the light of truth, while truth the while
Doth falsely blind the eyesight of his look.
Light, seeking light, doth light of light beguile;
So ere you find where light in darkness lies,
Your light grows dark by losing of your eyes."
 
That's Shakespeare speaking, not God - Love's Labor Lost.
 
Get your face out of a book every once in a while, look at the world's intense beauty and then tell me of your doubts.  Doubts, yes - certainty, no. 
 
Until I find evidence to the contrary, I am far happier believing God exists.  Ask more questions about the nature of this existence?  Oh yes, every day - but to shut the door on it would break my heart.
And if that makes me stupid, I am glad to hear it. 
 
BTW - despite my little dig about praying for your soul, I didn't resort to name calling to try and prove my point.
 
If you're right, I've wasted time in asking questions.  If I am right, you've missed out on so many potential answers.
 


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  • Hegemone said on Sep 16, 2009....
    While I'm not 'religious', I don't even know if I'm spiritual.  I have my beliefs, but I don't have any sort of rituals involving it that I regularly follow.  Either way though, a lot of what you've said here makes sense to me, and I think it is so true that to completely close something out and not even be open to it is a shame.  I fully believe that you can think one way and still be accepting of others' views.  No name calling needed because somebody simply didn't/doesn't agree with you.  Well said Wishy, well said.  You know what's true in/to your heart, and you don't have to lower yourself or prove it to anybody.
  • wombat said on Sep 16, 2009....
    You and me both...I am constantly reading, thinking, wondering......
     
    Then I stumble on a new so-called "proven scientific fact" in the news and I get all bumfuzzled.....
     
    Recently it was the "fact" that the moon was created by debris that hit the "earth" as a "red planet" then sent the crust off flying into orbit-------only to finally settle down into "the  moon."  
     
    Which, in turn stopped the fast spinning of "the earth" from dark to day in 5 hours, to eventually every 12 hours, to finally every 24 hours.    Our day!
     
    All this is sort of believable, I guess.....
     
    And if it's true, who thought this up?
     
    We would not have been a "livable" planet without these events.  At least, not as we know it.
     
    Somebody clue me in as to how/why some object hit the red planet, created a moon with gravity enough to slow it's orbit and give life a chance.
     
    And then create us fools who are on SC talking about it.
     
    And how many more are out there?
     
    Hello, SC buddies on distant planets, (and to you too for now)
     
    Must be God talking.
     
    (*where did the little bit of matter come from that exploded in the big bang?)
  • Me-Myself&I said on Sep 16, 2009....

    i have been a seeker most of my life. i knew without a doubt, at an early age, that there was more to my spirit/life then what i was being taught. so, i searched and i have find some of the answers, but i still search, listen and learn.

    real nice post here. thanks take care ~see ya

  • buckrogers said on Sep 17, 2009....
    We all have our personal "thought systems" that we use to feel safe in a very complex and unsafe world. They justify our motivations and the way in which we see our existence. These "thought systems" are our psychological "rabbits foot" and may be nothing more than pure imagination. What the mind can't understand, it turns to imaginary images of what possibly could be. So we have all sorts of theories and speculations of what might exist. Sometimes those speculations turn out to be true.
    I do believe there is a God but not a God made in a physical human image. I believe there is an Absolute that is pure abstract consciousness that controls everything in the universe as well as being everything in the universe, including good and evil. If God is in control of good, he has to be in control evil, because without evil, how could you tell whether something is good or not? So evil has a legitimate reason for existing.
    In the Gita, Krishna says that nothing really dies because the phenomenal world is simply illusion and there are many levels of existence that we can't detect with our physical senses. That is the reason for meditation: to restructure the brain in order to experience things beyond the physical realm. That is, to reach beyond our mental speculations and thought systems.
  • ABOVE_TOP_SECRET said on Sep 18, 2009....
    Like the Muslims, do you support stoning?
  • wishyouwerehere said on Sep 18, 2009....
    ATS - Let (s)he who is without sin cast the first stone.
     
     

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