• mobil said on Aug 30, 2009....

  We are in a great battle for the heart and soul of our country, Obama does not view the USA as you and I do, he comes from a culture very different. One where patriotism, the flag, God and old people are not important symbols or positive attributes.

   

  For a very long time Hollywood, academia and most of the media have been sending subliminal messages to us. These messages are no longer subliminal.

   

  Is there an upside to all of this? I see people like you and like myself pissed off like not since the American Revolution. People are angry Twillie and they are voicing their anger and making it known to their Congressmen and neighbors.

   

  The White House is in protection mode, Obama has never been challenged in his life. Never been questioned in his Chicago political and community organizing life. He doesn't know what to do about this and he's making mistakes on top of mistakes.

   

  People who voted for him are questioning their lack of wisdom. Don't quit complaining, if anything get louder, get active and throw their bullshit back at them. For the first time in many years I am seeing change that I like and it's not what Obama's talking about.........thanks for writing this.

   

   

   

• ALIENated said on Aug 30, 2009....

  If 1984 is a political concept of slavery to the goverment, thanks to Mr. Obama, we are at about 1983. We have to work very hard to avoid the coming new year.

• mOOn_platOOn said on Aug 30, 2009....

  O

  Bush....Obama....or yo mama, no matter who holds office it's the system itself that's bringing us down. Caretakers of bailed-out failure models, aka Rebupilcans and Democrats, are the problem.

  I've been embarrassed to have most of the elected presidents representing America. But regardless of the driver, the transportation sucks.

  O

• mobil said on Aug 31, 2009....

  I agree Republicans and Democrats alike are the problem and perhaps the system itself needs tweaking.
   
  In the past though, the transportation has always been a bus, NOW, we're  hanging on to a log in the river and the waterfall is just ahead.

• D6fer said on Aug 31, 2009....

  I often wonder what it takes when I make a post like this to get people to respond to it......if we were in the woods right now, you'd hear crickets.
  
  54 views as of right now.....probably just about everyone that is active at soulcast.....but 90% of them voted for Obama (The Americans)......I can only see three reasons for not responding. 1. They are ashamed (on some level) 2. They are socialists 3. They still believe him (idiots)
  
  I saw a #2 or #3 the other day.....she was about 20 years old and wearing a Barrack the vote shirt.....that takes guts......and stupidity.
  

• Twylarants said on Aug 31, 2009....

  I really hoped to get answers to my questions.  I'm glad you guys read it and understood that I wrote it out of a sincere desire to know what people who voted for Obama wanted to see changed....what they saw in him that gave them hope for a better future, why they believed his words, because I didn't hear anything hopeful in his campaign sermons. Not that I heard anything from McCain or any of the others at the beginning.  All I heard were attacks by everyone on everyone else.
  
  I hope some of the soulcasters who voted for him will comment.  I think there's a 4th reason, Mr6....they don't really know this administration's agenda, and that's what frightens me.
  
  

• D6fer said on Aug 31, 2009....

  I think they fall under category 3

• ALIENated said on Aug 31, 2009....

  I am not at all surprised about Obama's actions and direction. We were told for a year before the election that he is a Socialist / Communist. He is now merely proving that to be correct. The thing that scrares me silly is that our news media has become like conservative talk radio except to the FAR left. Conservative talk radio is not news. It is conservative commentators talking to mainly conservative audiences. They slant the story to fit thier purposes and make jokes about liberals that liberals for the most part do not get. They are more like The Jon Stewart Show or The Colbert Report than real news. No big deal. However, it is a big deal that the so called legitimate news organizations (ABC, CBC, CNBC, CNN, MSNBC, NBC) are slanting all their news to the FAR left and simply ignoring some of what is going on. For example, they give hours of coverage to Obama's healthcare scam and refuse to air opposing ads. Americans need to wake up and realize that they are being duped by these "legitimate" news organizations. They are all controlled by corporations (like GE) that evidently have something to gain by supporting the Obama agenda. They will not have to pay for their employee's healthcare insurance for one thing, if Obama has his way. And that is the reason a lot of good Americans voted for Obama ... because he (and the Democrats / Socialists) have the mainstream news organizations preaching his (their) gospel. It is frightening what is going on, that two branches of our government are firmly controlled by Democrats / Socialists, the judicial is on the way (with the appointment and confirmation of Sonia Sotomayer), and the unofficial fourth branch of government (the press) is also firmly controlled by them. The only hold outs are conservative talk radio, the internet, and FOX News. They are already targeting people like Glenn Beck and I figure they will push for some kind of revival of the Fairness Doctrine pretty soon and some kind of internet censorship. Then we WILL be riding Mobile's log down shit creek for sure. Our only hope is to get them out of control in 2010 before too much damage is done, before we get to the point that we cannot get them out even if we want to. There is a reason Democrats / Socialists rarely stay in control for more than a couple of years. They are out of step with average Americans. Average Americans want to be free to make a good living and pay their own way, help those who really need help, and kick deadbeats off the government payroll. Medicare and the VA take care of those who really need help (older Americans). Democrats / Socialists want to give everyone a "free" ride ... in return for their vote. That is the only thing that ever gets them elected in the first place, not their brilliant ideas.

• Twylarants said on Sep 01, 2009....

  Alien ~  That's exactly what I heard from the Democratic side during the campaigns.
  How can one man please 300 million people?
  And yet, he had a line for everyone, but I never heard substance although he sure had a ton of style. 
  He reminded me of Clinton...very glib, very smooth.  Remember how many women were interviewed and could talk only about how good looking Clinton was?  I had a friend who registered to vote for the first time in her life so she could vote for Clinton because he was "cute"!!!
  
  Mr6 ~ I don't think they're all #3, I just think they were overwhelmed by his rhetoric.  He would make everything better, he was going to erase all the misery of the 90s, everyone thought they would get their jobs back, that taxes would go down and the whole country would climb the hill, hold hands and teach the world to sing over a bottle of Coke.  People were so unhappy with Bush that they actually saw a ray of hope in Obama.  They didn't want him to be a typical politician, a liar, a narcissist, a Marxist, a Socialist, whatever, so they looked beyond that and saw a savior.
  
  Mobil ~ Where were all these videos and sound bites showing his true thoughts and feelings?  All we heard were hate speeches from Jeremiah Wright, but did anyone notice that Obama never referred to the American people as "Americans" in any of his speeches?  Why does he call us "citizens"?  Didn't that ring an alarm bell for anyone but me?
  
  mOOn ~ My Mama was a communist...even Jack Kennedy, as cute as she thought he was, wasn't liberal enough for her. Trust me, had she been President even I would have campaigned for Obama!
  

• ALIENated said on Sep 01, 2009....

  ... everyone thought they would get their jobs back ...

  I think the problem is that people have faith in either party to affect our economy by "doing something". The Republicans come closer to affecting our economy by "doing nothing". I think our economy would hum along at a steady, healthy pace if politicians would just stop doing the things they do and stop taxing us at every turn. I know govenment has to set some ground rules, but even those should be few and far between. If politicians want to do something, let them defend our country against foreign agressors and secure our borders against illegal invaders that take our jobs and suck up our resources. If they want to pass laws while they have a super majority, let them pass an ammendment that taxes cannot be raised more than one percent a year, or something like that. We all have to live within our means. Politicians should have to do the same ... from both parties. I just hope that voters hold this bunch responsible for what they do, if they do it. If not, all is lost in the remaining Obama years. If they are not stopped in 2010, Obama may be our first Grand Wizard, or what ever a Communist dictator is called, and his term may not end for a long, long time. That is part of my fear, that Americans fool themselves into thinking that cannot happen here. That is probably what people thought up until the Czar was shot in Russia or the Nazi flag was flying in Berlin.

• Twylarants said on Sep 01, 2009....

  See, this is why you and Curmudgeon should run for Pres and VP, Alien. 
  And, if you win, I can be the White House Press Secretary, cuz I'm way funnier than Robert Gibbs.
  

• ALIENated said on Sep 01, 2009....

  Robert Gibbs is a smug smuck. I have disliked him (I actually do not hate anyone) from the first time I saw him on some campaign coverage TV show. He just seems to be an arrogant, typical liberal elite jackass. However, I would never, ever run for president. I cannot imagine why any sane person would want to be president. Hmmmm. Sane person. Maybe I am on to something.

• Twylarants said on Sep 02, 2009....

  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Does this image say "narcissist" to anyone?  Who runs for any political office in the US out of a pure sense of altruism?
  

• curmudgeon said on Sep 02, 2009....

  Wow - Curmudgeon as VP! Thanks Twyla!
  
  I didn't vote for Obama, but I never thought he would go this bad this fast. Even some of the most die-hard liberals I know are disappointed in him. But they tell me this on condition that I not reveal their identities, nor tell other liberals what they said.
  
  Obama is in an admittedly tough place. He ran as a centrist, tried governing like a liberal idealogue, and when this didn't work, tried to move to the center-left somewhere. He has disappointed independents and die-hard lefties alike. I just wonder where he thinks he can turn to regain his stature. He's already overexposed in the media. Apparently fewer and fewer people are tuning into his evening press conferences. I'm sick to death of hearing him say the same thing every day. He's like a broken record.
  
  As for this nation, I believe we will survive Obama just as we survived Carter. We may be a little worse for wear, but we will get through this windbag in a silk suit.
  

• Twylarants said on Sep 02, 2009....

  You're welcome, Mr. Vice President.
  
  If Obama wants to know what he needs to do in order to be deserving of that nice, big, rent-free house in DC, he's more than welcome to ask me:
  
  A. Realize that he is now the President of ALL Americans.  That includes people who didn't vote for him, didn't donate to and/or raise money for his campaign, and have never heard of George Soros.
  Aren't members of a union, don't work for GE, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, or Time Warner.
  Also, Americans who don't belong to the NAACP, ACORN, STORM, NEA, ORGANIZING FOR AMERICA.
  And people who pay their taxes because they know how to use TurboTax.
  
  B. Stop lying. Just stop.
  
  

• Twylarants said on Sep 03, 2009....

  
  http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/highlightedversion.jpg
  
  I came across this site yesterday but this particular insult has since been removed.  I found it on heritage.org. 
  Organizing For America is Obama's website...he started it.  He announced it
  on this youtube video.
   Lovely.  Just lovely.
  

• Twylarants said on Sep 03, 2009....

  http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/highlightedversion.jpg
  
  I always forget to do the link thing. 
  

• bloc said on Sep 04, 2009....

  There is no point in talking to someone when the first sentence claims that we don't have a brain. Maybe that's why it's crickets in here. 

• Twylarants said on Sep 04, 2009....

  I didn't say liberals don't have brains, Winston Churchill said it, or something like that...I read it a long time ago so I'm not even sure if I got it right.  Anyway, I'm not that rude.  I'm just curious as to how many people, if any, have changed their minds about Obama.  Are they still sure he's heading in the right direction, are they suspicious at all about the people he's bringing aboard to advise him?
  I was raised in an extremely liberal home and didn't begin to question why I felt that way until I was in my 30s. I'm still a very curious person, even at the age of 60, so I ask a lot of questions. 
  Nothing wrong with that, right?
  

• D6fer said on Sep 04, 2009....

  bloc.....sounds like a convenient excuse to avoid this topic ;p

• bloc said on Sep 05, 2009....

  There is no point to talking to the sorts of people that hold up signs of Obama with a Hitler mustache. There is no point talking to someone whose first sentence claims that I'm brain dead. At this point I'm not going to waste time on town-hallers who want to shout down people they disagree with while spreading intentional lies like "death panels", and "re-education camps". 
  
  
  @twylarants
  
  "Are they still sure he's heading in the right direction?"
  
  No, I'm not. I haven't seen us move in the right direction yet, but my guess is that what I believe is the right direction is the opposite of what many on here believe is the right direction. For example, I believe that torture should be investigated by a prosecutor. I believe that the war in Iraq was immoral and a strategic blunder that will cost trillions of our tax dollars for decades into the future. I believe we should reduce our presence in Afghanistan. I believe we should spend the money saved from these things to move our economy off of a dependence on oil. I believe we should have a single payer healthcare system. Let's call it medicare for all. I believe we should re-examine our food production processes and radically change them. I believe we should encourage small businesses. I believe that no corporation should be too big to fail and that strict regulations should be in place to prevent any from getting that big.
  
  "Are they suspicious at all about the people he's bringing aboard to advise him?"
  
  I'm extremely suspicious and worried about the people he has on board. Let me be clear about this. The people doing the bank bailouts are industry insiders who appear to be helping their buddies (this was true under Bush as a well). The people doing healthcare reform appear to be in the pocket of the insurance industry (both republicans and democrats). This is why single payer was off the table at the beginning. Check my latest post for an important article on this.
  
  

• mOOn_platOOn said on Sep 05, 2009....

  O
   
  Revolution!
   
  O

• bloc said on Sep 05, 2009....

  Careful what you ask for. Here are my thoughts.
  
  "According to everything I’ve read, according to remarks by President Obama at town hall meetings, according to White House health advisor Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, we aren’t worth the paper American currency is printed on. The Rants are dispensable."
  
  
  This is baseless name calling. Please give some examples if you want an honest discussion. Everything I've read and heard suggests that twyl is a fascist who wants to exterminate liberals. See how easy it is to say anything when we don't deal with specifics?
  
  
  "What is it about America in the 21st century that Barack Obama so dislikes that he feels socialism is a better way to go?"
  
  
  Obama is not a socialist. At this point I don't think the right wingers know what the word means, or are being dishonest about it.
  
  
  "What was it about his campaign slogan, “Change you can believe in”, that caused mainstream Democrats, not left-wing radicals, just people like your neighbors, people you know from church, your co-workers, to believe in their hearts that this man was a perfect fit for the position of leader of the most free and democratic society in the world?"
  
  
  This doesn't make sense to me. I certainly didn't think he was a perfect fit. I voted for him because he appeared to be a better choice than Palin. She has proven to be a chronic liar who lacks the intellectual capacity to run a country.
  
  
  "What if his campaign slogan had been “Very large government you can believe in”?
  
  
  He campaigned heavily on universal healthcare. People voted for him knowing that so we have to assume that Americans, including myself, were for him doing these things. Unfortunately he is'nt proposing real reform and isn't proposing any real government involvement in healthcare. So I have to believe that people suggesting that he is are either ignorant or liars.
  
  
  “Government deficit creation you can believe in”?
  
  
  The republicans created enormous deficits while they controlled all branches of the government. Let's be fair at least. In fact, Cheney was asked about his and said "deficits don't matter". None of you said a word about it so I have to question whether you really care or if you simply don't like the fact that a democrat won.
  
  
  “Government control of health care you can believe in”?
  
  
  Again, he campaigned on universal healthcare. Everyone that voted for him knew this. You have to accept the fact that the republica ideas on this issue lost the election. Also, he is not proposing any real government involvement in healthcare so I again wonder if you are unfamiliar with the reality of the bills or if you believing in boogeymen created by the likes of Rush Limbaugh.
  
  
  “Government control of the Internet and the airwaves you can believe in”?
  
  
  I have no idea what you're talking about. Bush was secretly spying on americans without warrants. none of you complained about that. I've seen nothing from Obama as bad as that.
  
  
  “Government control of all media you can believe in”?
  
  
  I'm starting to think we live on different planets. Last I checked the media are all private corporations.
  
  
  “Government controlled salaries for private industry you can believe in”?
  
  
  This is becoming delusional at this point.
  
  
  “Government Motors you can believe in”?
  
  
  This makes no sense.
  
  
  "Would he be President Obama today, or would he still be Senator Obama, community organizer?"
  
  
  Considering that he did campaign on universal healthcare, and that the rest of hte points made no sense, I think he would still have won over Palin because he did. People voted for the person that campaigned on universal healthcare. Get over it.
  
  
  "Which of Barack Obama’s campaign promises convinced you to vote for him?"
  
  
  None, Palin convinced me to vote for him.
  
  
  Has he kept those promises?
  
  
  He hasn't been in office long, but so far he hasn't. Oddly, I didn't hear any of you complain about Bush promising to never to nation building then trying to do it in two countries. Is this a double standard you have for democrats compared to republicans?
  
  
  Did you believe he would staff his cabinet with patriotic people of integrity?
  
  
  I have no idea what this means. I'm going to assume that by "patriotic" you mean hardline conservative hawks. No I didn't expect that. Integrity? I haven't seen an administration with integrity in my lifetime. We had Iran-contra Reagan who signed a law outlawing exactly what happened during Iran contra. We had the savings and loan and "no new taxes" Bush. We had slick willy. We had WMD imminent threat Bush and torture craving Cheney. I was expecting something a small degree better than these, but I haven't seen it.
  
  
  Has he?
  
  
  He seems to be similar to our past politicians.
  
  
  "Did you believe he would streamline government to cut waste?"
  
  
  Did you believe the republicans would? Did they? I don't expect any of them too until it becomes a crisis.
  
  
  "Has he?"
  
  
  No, but he's done better than Bush. I mean seriously, show some kind of integrity and hold republicans to the same standards you're trying to hold Obama.
  
  
  "Did you believe he would carefully study each bill and redline earmarks to save the taxpayers money?"
  
  
  You know that the President can't do this right? Clinton tried and the supreme court ruled that Presidents can't do this.
  
  
  "Are your political opinions as radical as you once thought they were?"
  
  
  Nope
  
  
  "More radical than they once were?" Nope
  
  
  "Less radical than you feel they are expected to be?"
  
  
  Expected to be?
  
  
  "Do you truly believe all people who call themselves conservative are unfeeling, cold-hearted, unsympathetic and greedy, that they never donate to charities?"
  
  
  You're getting silly at this point. I have no idea what conservative means anymore. I believe that people associating Obama with Hitler are bat-shit crazy. I think "death panels", "death books", and "re-education camps" are intentional lies from a radical conservative movement. I believe that we need an honest conservative movement and that both sides have valid points. I think this country is going to have problems until we can stop the name calling and discuss ideas without the hysterics we're seeing, including this post.
  
  
  "That they’re racist?"
  
  
  Some clearly are, but I don't think that has anything to do with conservatism. The question you need to ask yourselves as conservatives is if you have the integrity to call out the crazies in your movement. If not you're part of the problem.
  
  
  "Have you ever worked for a person or business and received a salary?"
  
  
  Of course
  
  
  "Did this salary provide you and your family with food and shelter?"
  
  
  I make a very comfortable living.
  
  
  "Were you and your family covered by medical benefits through this
  job?"
  
  
  Some yes, some no. I've also worked for the government so I've had government healthcare as well
  
  
  "Did this person or business depend on profits to keep you employed?"
  
  
  Of course
  
  
  "Did this offend your liberal views?"
  
  
  This is a stupid question. You clearly have no idea what a liberal thinks or believes.
  
  
  "Was it at odds with your political beliefs?"
  
  
  Another quesiton that makes no sense. I've had a job or two that were at odds with my beliefs. Here's one example. Supplements are a gold rush. A smart person can make a ton of money selling people supplements that claim to "shed pounds" or other false claims that prey on the fears and desires of uneducated people. Making money on something that is a scam or that provides no real value to people is against my beliefs. How do you square these types of scams with your free market beliefs?
  
  
  "Would you, in the name of fairness, prefer your employer’s business not be profitable?"
  
  
  Stupid question
  
  
  "Have you ever gone to a town council meeting to express your views on a local issue?"
  
  
  I've gone to listen. Never said anything.
  
  
  "Complained, along with a few neighbors over some cold beers, about your rising property taxes?"
  
  
  Mine don't rise because I live in CA. This is one of the reasons we have money problems.
  
  
  "Is the place in which you worship your God a place of your own choosing?"
  
  
  I don't worship a god. I have no idea what this has to do with your post
  
  
  "Do you freely enter the voting booth on Election Day?"
  
  
  stupid question
  
  
  "Do you believe in the Constitution of The United States of America?"
  
  
  Of course, but I don't think conservatives do anymore given Bush's numerous violations of it. Asserting the power to detain americans without trials, spying without warrants, etc. The question is do YOU believe in it? If so why didn't you speak out about these things Bush did?
  
  
  "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
  — The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution"
  
  
  “If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees.” Bill Clinton.
  
  
  What's the context of this? You should really link to the full context if you want to discuss something
  
  “….that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states can't do to you. Says what the federal government can't do to you, but doesn't say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf.” Barack Obama.
  
  
  This makes perfect sense to me. For example, the Constitution says that the governemnt can't detain you without a speedy trial. Bush violated this, yet you claim to care about the Constitution.
  
  
  What problem do you have with Obama's quote because it is true and sounds right to me.
  
  
  Do you really believe these questions make any sense? I'm clearly a liberal, and you clearly have no idea what my beliefs are. Rather than ask me with an open mind you paint this nonsensical picture that has nothing to do with reality. I'm not a socialist nor is Obama. Socialism is when there is no private industry. 99% of american production is private!!!!! I'm not against this nor is Obama. We liberals believe that the market is amazing at a lot of things. However, we do not believe that it is the right choice for everything. For example. water rights would not work in a free market. The military would not work if it were private. We all agree on this right? Are you a socialist? Of course not. We liberals in america differ from conservatives on a narrow range of issues when it comes to the market. I don't think free markets work for healthcare, but you guys clearly do. This doesn't make anyone a socialst because I do believe that markets work amazingly well for most things. Also, I believe that markets have some flaws. Pollution is a good example. In a market you can increase your profit by saving costs on pollution fighting measures. The cost of pollution is then spread over society and we all pay for it, while the company doing the polluting makes extra profits. I believe this should be regulated more than it is now.
  
  
  I'm guessing that if you took the time to talk to me, rather than imagine what you think I believe, you'll find that we agree far more than we disagree. Want to give it a try? Here's a question for you. Do you think we should get rid of medicare?
  

• Twylarants said on Sep 05, 2009....

  I didn't assume anything about you or your beliefs or your politics, Bloc. You seem to assume I'm a Republican but I'm not registered as a Republican.... I voted for neither McCain nor Obama.  I am, however, a fiscal conservative, an atheist who has never had a belief in anything supernatural...ever.
  Thanks for the answers.
  

• mOOn_platOOn said on Sep 05, 2009....

  O

   

  McBama

   

  O

• bloc said on Sep 05, 2009....

  You assumed a lot about liberals that isn't even remotely true. You tried to place liberals into a little box that you can bash generally. I'm a liberal so I would be included in that box of yours. For example, the idea that liberals are against a business making money is absurd. Liberalism and communism are not the same thing. 
  
  
  Btw, do you think we should get rid of medicare and that your family should be forced to buy private insurance once you're 65?

• Brownbanana said on Sep 05, 2009....

  Well said Bloc. Twyla...what you're seeing is still the backend of Cheney/Bush long 8 year train rolling slowly out of the station, but you're so mad at the new Station Master because the new train can't open its doors for you until the Cheney/Bush train vacates the platform. Twyla...you're still smelling the diesel fumes from the Cheney/Bush exhaust...you're basically shouting at the new surgeon who hasn't even touched you with a cotton swab cause you're hurting from the previous malpractice. Big business will cosy-up to anyone/anything, so they'll jolly well look left or right leaning if they think it'll bring them benefit...media corporations are big business too.

• Twylarants said on Sep 05, 2009....

  Damn, you guys are sensitive.  I'm asking questions, not slamming liberals. I don't agree with Obama's ideas, so what?  My reasons for not liking them are no less valid than yours for having faith in them.  I also don't like John Holdren's ideas, Cass Sunstein's ideas, I think Bush is just plain stupid, although I think his wife was very nice, I like Hillary much more than I like Bill, I was very pissed when LBJ picked that poor dog up by it's ears, I thought Ed Koch was funny, Jackie O sounded like she sucked helium, Bobby Kennedy would have been a good president, Christie Whitman was an idiot (but my husband voted for her)..... I've disliked government a hell of a lot longer than both of you.
  My husband doesn't plan to retire because Medicare won't provide him with the quality care his condition requires if this administration cuts Medicare payments to cardiac specialists as they've planned (and NO, I'm not looking it up to provide a link, look it up your damned self), and no woman in my family lived long enough to qualify for Medicare so there's no reason to believe I will either.
  Hey...my blog, my opinions.
  Thanks for the answers to my stupid questions, bloc...jeez.
  

• bloc said on Sep 05, 2009....

  So you are for government healthcare as it is now under medicare?

• ALIENated said on Sep 05, 2009....

  You have to watch bloc, Twyla. I am pretty sure he is a robot programmed by a rabid liberal. He sounds logical on a certain level and loves to call everything you say bullshit. He simply calls everything you say a lie and assumes THAT is the truth, like a good liberal. This country is a conservative nation and liberal crapola is ruining it for everyone. He tries to use logic the way someone else I know uses logic (the devil), but he usually hangs himself with it because he does not keep up. Like saying Obama is not a Socialist. To that I say "bullshit". Read something about the man's history and the people he has associated with, like Bill Ayres. He has to be a racist or a moron that does not pay attention for 10 years while he sat in Reverend Wright's racist church. Keep up man. Twyla is right on and you are simply sipping your liberal koolaid. And please, please let the torture thing go, dude. THAT is a bunch of bullshit. Try to concentrate on the Americans who have been REALLY tortured and beheaded on TV for the world to see. How can you give one shit about such rabid dogs anyway? The funny thing is, liberals are the reason those assholes hate us so much. They hate everything liberals stand for and campaign on. LIberals and atheists are the first ones they will behead when they take over our country. Bush was opperating under the principal that we kick our enemies ass and support our president. Liberals changed all that to kick our president's ass and support our enemies.

• Twylarants said on Sep 06, 2009....

  Van Jones has resigned because "opponents of reform have mounted a vicious smear campaign against me. They are using lies and distortions to distract and divide...".
  How very Sarah Palin of him.
  
  Bloc's just young, Alien. When I was young and had young kids I wanted the world to be a perfect place for my kids.  No Pampers on their butts, only cotton. I made my own baby food. I taught them to talk and reason rather than fight. I wouldn't allow toy guns or toy soldiers in my house, I swore I'd move all of us to Canada if the draft was reinstated.  Then a girlfriend with older kids pointed out that little boys will "shoot " at each other with straws, tree twigs, plastic rulers...anything they think looks like a weapon.  Two joined the Marines and one was Navy. Two are now in law enforcement. 3 are conservative, one is liberal, and we all have pretty rousing discussions at times. But I'm proud of each of them...I've learned from each of them.  One thing that has stuck with them (and only because my husband and I nagged them constantly) is to prepare for their futures. Don't let yourself be caught  in middle age with no one to turn to for care except the government.
  Take care of your own retirement because Social Security and Medicare aren't going to be there for you.
  We told them this because we didn't do it.  Our retirement fund, such as it was, has shrunk because of Bush, Wall Street...blah, blah, blah... just like many others of our generation.  When you're young and struggling day to day, week to week, you just don't think of the future.  You work two jobs, and if there are two of you, you work  four jobs to take care of your family... and then, all of a sudden, the future is right in front of you.  Damn, how'd that happen?
  So my idealism balloon burst.  I'm no longer that altruistic, young hippie Mom with the frizzy hair and peasant dress.  I'm nearing retirement age, but can't retire.  I'd love to be able to smoke pot again but random drug tests prohibit that. I'd really like it if we didn't have to go to the doctor so often and pay that high deductible and $20 co-pay just to hear "your pressure is good, stop smoking."
  Ah, well...I guess reality rears it's head for everyone at some point. 
  No, I don't think Medicare will keep my husband alive as long as I'd like
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

• bloc said on Sep 06, 2009....

  More attacks against my personal character rather than dealing with my ideas. Again I ask, do you want to do away with government run medicare?

• Twylarants said on Sep 06, 2009....

  Being called young is an attack on your personal character?  Alrighty...sorry.
  You know what?  I have no idea about Medicare being run by the government..  As I said, I don't personally know anyone who is covered by Medicare.  I only know that if cardiac and cancer specialists' reimbursements are cut as part of the waste Obama is talking about, we won't have all that musc use for a doctor.
  
  

• bloc said on Sep 06, 2009....

  If you dismiss what I say because I'm young then it is an attack on my character. We all know what you were implying. I took the time to answer your questions yet you haven't address my ideas at all. You've only dismissed me with strawman cariciaures. 

• bloc said on Sep 06, 2009....

  Your story doesn't make sense to me. Here is what it sounds like to me. "I didn't save for my retirement therefore altruism and liberalism are flawed". This is what's called a non sequitur. 
  
  
  Your story about boys shooting guns doesn't make sense to me either. Humans existed for millions of years without guns. There's no way a boy is born knowing what a gun is but that's what you are implying right? That boys are hard-wired to shoot guns. They learned to pretend with guns from seeing other boys do it. 
  
  
  Having said that, I'm not a pacifist, I enlisted in the army when I was 17 and was deployed for a tour in bosnia. 
  
  
  Btw, you do realize that cancer specialists are not waste and that no one is proposing that we cut them. Please show me where Obama has said that he wants to cut cancer specialists. 

• Twylarants said on Sep 06, 2009....

  No, that's ok, Bloc. You can stop now, you're beginning to annoy me.  Go play somewhere else.  Now you can consider yourself insulted, you silly little kid.

• ALIENated said on Sep 06, 2009....

  I respect the way bloc questioned the Bush administration because they were wrong on a few things, but they were right on a lot of things -- like the way they protected the country from terrorism since 9/11. Obama is going to be wrong on most things because he is a Socialist or maybe even a Communist in his heart because of his upbringing. The thing I do not respect is bloc's blind acceptance of anything done by Democrats and his blind rejection of anything done by Republicans. He is like so many other deceived Democrats. He still believes the mainstream leftist media is credible. He still thinks Republicans are the champions of the rich when that is no longer true. The Republican party has increased in number and the Democrat party has decreased in number in recent decades because so many middle class Americans have abandoned the Democrat party and the things it now stands for. Obama and his crew are disorienting even more to the point that the Democrat party may become totally irrelavent in the future. I would imagine if this healthcare "reform" legislation passes, that will almost assure the demise of the Democrat party in the coming years.

  By the way, I played with toys guns for years when I was a kid. I have never owned a real gun as an adult, and probably never will.

• ALIENated said on Sep 06, 2009....

  BTW, I just heard that, too, that Van Jones has resigned. He could be the poster boy for the Obama Administration. There were tapes during the presidential campaign of Obama slamming middle Americans at some Hollywood party with his elitist Hollywood friends.

• bloc said on Sep 06, 2009....

  when your open for an actual discussion let me know twyl. Don't insult people repeatedly and act surprised when you get a reaction.

• Twylarants said on Sep 07, 2009....

  Obama wants to cut more than $1 billion from Medicare. Included in this amount is cutting payments for certain procedures performed by cardiac specialists.  One procedure is the angiogram or cardiac catheterization, an invasive diagnostic test used to find blockages in the arteries. 
   http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=apv3pcTOWVjk
  
  I wasn't implying that your views are dismissable because you are young. I was trying to make the point that sometimes opinion changes because of things that happen to a person as they age.  Don't you think that's possible?
  Btw, I don't insult people and no, I'm not surprised
  
  Alien~ I played with toy guns, too.  Unfortunately, my stupid sister survived...lol.
  

• curmudgeon said on Sep 07, 2009....

  "do you want to do away with government run medicare?"
  
  I wouldn't want to do away with it until some system - private if at all possible - were in place to insure older folks.
  
  It seems to me that a "public option" that insures "everyone" would obviate the need for medicare, medicaid, the public health service, veteran's administration, the native american single payer healthcare system (see how well that is serving their constituency for a hint of how well single payer will work for the rest of us), the department of health and human services, the health management system for our beloved members of Congress and all government employees.
  
  But none of these Federal agencies will go away, you see. The Dems are just going to add one more layer of Federal bureaucracy on us which will INCREASE costs, not decrease them, and add increased administrative, pricing, diagnosing and treatment confusion because of this ridiculous 1000+ page legislation that it's supporters won't even read!
  
  Moreover, I do wish libs would quit calling this "single payer" and call it what it is: A government-managed, taxpayer-financed healthcare system.  If that is what you want, say that openly! Don't go around making up euphemisms that imply someone else will pay. Sell it straight to the American People, and tell them why it will be better than what we have now. Maybe they'll go for it.
  

• D6fer said on Sep 07, 2009....

  bloc.....let's be real ok?
   
  This post is about Obama, so let's stick to the subject......Bush is not President anymore.....and Palin never ran for President, so I don't know why you got your panties in a bunch about her in the 1st place.
   
  Obama is not a Socialist?
   
  Does America have to be a Socialist nation before we can label him as such?
   
  Socialism does not happen overnight.....it's a slow mestastisizing cancer that can take years and many leaders to implement.
   
  I don't know of any Socialist litmus test, or some chart that you can use to see if someone meets the criteria, but I do know this:
  If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's a duck!
   
  The taking over of banks and industries smells of Socialism to me.....or is it Fascism?....you pick....doesn't matter....Americans wan't neither.
   
  UHC isn't a Socialist idea?
   
  What will Obama have to do in order for you to think he's a Socialist? Change party affiliation?
   
  Why all of these czars? Does Obama know anyone who can stand a vetting process?
   
  Yes sir.....smells like Socialism to me......to quoate our fearless leader during his campaign:
   
  "You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig"

• ALIENated said on Sep 07, 2009....

  Leftists claim to discuss things in a logical way, but they never seems to listen to logic. And knowing Obama is a Socialist is a matter of putting two and two together. All you have to do is read a bit of his history and look at his associations over the years. Like you say, if it quacks ... it is a duck. That was exactly the point I was making. Bloc shows his immaturity by listening to and believing every liberal media report he hears and rejecting any other report he hears such as those about Obama's nature and his past. And to say waterboarding does not work is a bunch of bull. You ask someone a question, they refuse to answer, you waterboard them (which is never fatal) and ask again. They will eventually tell you something to get you to stop. Then you go and check out what they told you. If it does not check out, you start the process again and repeat until you get the truth. That is why some were waterboarded so many times. If at first you do not succeed ... Waterboarding is very effective and is not fatal. Most liberals confuse warterboarding with the kind of torture the Japanese or Vietnamese carried out on our guys, like what happened to McCain. What those guys knew was of no use after a short period of time. Then they were truly tortured for sport and spite. That is wrong. It is naive to think that any law enforcement agent or military agent is not going to do whatever it takes to keep Americans safe. Even Hollywood knows that and often portrays that scenario in dramas. That is yet another reason that leftists, like Obama, cannot be and are not trusted by loyal American citizens. They put our enemies before us. It made me want to puke when he ran around the world apologizing for America's actions since 9/11. Tell that to the people who died in 9/11 and their families. Bloc says ...

  I am not a pacifist, I enlisted in the army when I was 17 and was deployed for a tour in bosnia.

  Would you have us believe there is no situation in which you would not have tortured an enemy to save one of your mates or supported your mates if they had tortured an enemy to save you? Try to be honest.

  That is the same way the Bush Administration felt, that they were doing what anyone would do, and has done in every war. Then liberals and the leftist media went bat-shit crazy (as you say) so the Bush Administration tried to please and changed their tactics as time went on. They were doing what every administration had done in the past -- whatever it took to succeed -- but those past administrations did not have a bunch of treasonous leftists squealing like pigs about everything they did.

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