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No, not that "N" word. I am talking about the word NAZI. Even Nancy Pellosi is resorting to calling people Nazis simply because they show up at town hall meetings and voice their opinion.

I personally think Democrats / Socialists come far closer to resembling Nazis than do Republicans, but that is the way it works. And that is probably because the word NAZI no longer means what it once did. Check out this definition ...

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Nazi

It says Nazism is abbreviated from the German: Nationalsozialismus, "National Socialism". Hmmm, Socialism. Now I remember why I think Democrats / Socialist are more like Nazis.

Also, the Nazi ideology was held by the National Socialist German Workers Party (the Nazi Party), which was led by Adolf Hitler. Comparing our leaders to Hitler has become quite common for members of both political parties and independents (I suppose).

Hitler was a dictator, a person exercising absolute power, a ruler who has absolute, unrestricted control in a government without hereditary succession. Most of us older folk know all about how Hitler and his Nazi Party took control of Germany in the 1920s and how Hitler led his country into our second world war. I suppose Democrats / Socialists do not think Hitler and Nazis represent them because Hitler and Nazis opposed communism, which they do not for the most part. Of course, most Americans have opposed communism, but I do not think that aligns them with the Nazis.

I think the terms Hitler and Nazi are now used by most as a way to point out who they think the bad guys are. Bush was routinely compared to Hitler and I doubt that anyone really thinks he has done anything remotely as bad as Hitler did during his day. Calling someone Hitler is just a way of saying "that guy is really bad". Of course, to me, it just points out how stupid the person is that is calling someone Hitler or a Nazi. It shows me they have no clue how bad those folks were and what they did (like killing millions of civilians including six million Jews). Does Nancy Pellosi think the concerned Americans who show up at town hall meetings to voice their opposition to Obamacare are capable of killing millions of people? I would think the morans who came up with Obamacare are more capable of that, but I would not even call them Nazis.

I think most people start tossing around words like Nazi and Hitler when they run out of real arguements and ideas. I was just looking at a recent article posted by Howard Dean and the comments that followed. It did not take long for some liberal wackjob to refer to Bush as Hitler and Republicans as Nazis. Bush admittedly got preoccupied with the War on Terror, but doing nothing is much, much better than doing what Obama and his bunch are trying to do.

Obama, Nancy, Howard Dean, and others know that we need heathcare reform, but they also have to know that most Americans do not want a dictator (like the U.S. government and a bunch of unelected beaurocrats) telling them how to manage their healthcare. We only have to look to Canada or Great Britian to see what a government-run healthcare system looks like. Yes, we hear a few say their systems are OK, but I have to wonder if these good reports are coming from anyone who has really had to deal with those socialized systems. It is like asking someone who has never been to the DMV what they think of the DMV. Howard Dean thinks Medicare and the VA are good examples of the government running healthcare systems. I have to wonder if Howard has ever really had to deal with those two systems and how does he explain the real cost of Medicare compared to the projected cost at the time it was passed.

I do not think there are Hitlers or Nazis on either side of American politics, but I do think there is a side that wants to dictate how we live our lives. That side keeps trying to tell us what to do on every front. They want to raise our taxes anywhere they can and use the money to promote their ideas about everything. Now they want us to accept a healthcare bill (disguised as healthcare reform) that would abort the most innocent Americans and recommend euthenasia to our senior Americans. Just when the people who have paid the most into Medicare need it, they want to start limiting care.

Hitler took over Germany when the country was crumbling after World War II. Inflation was so bad, people were pushing around wheelbarrows full of paper money. Hitler helped bring Germany out of all that mainly by starting a war. I do not think Obama is like Hitler. He is actually doing things that will soon have us pushing around wheelbarrows full of U.S. dollars, once he starts printing all that money he has promised to spend. Unemployment is already a big problem similar to pre-Hitler Germany. Unlike Hitler, Obama is not trying very hard to solve that problem. A war is already going on in the Middle East. Also, Hitler believed the "Aryan" race is superior to other races. Mr. Obama only listens to those who want to do away with Aryans and Aryan control.

So I would have a hard time comparing Mr. Obama to Adolph Hitler. He is actually causing the problems Hitler came along and cured. If anything, Mr. Obama is paving the way to someone more like Hitler. The question is will we recognize a real Hitler and his real Nazi-like followers when we see one? Will Mr. Obama travel to see him and appologize for all that American has done to bring about his rise to power?

I figure Mr. Obama will be too preoccupied with moving us toward Socialism to notice who is doing what in the world. After all, that is what all this so called healthcare reform is about anyway, bringing more of our economy under government control.

Hitler was a dictator, which is usually associated with right wingers. However, a Socialist government is also a dictator. To me, one is about as bad as the other. Neither is looking out for the citizens of the country. They are just looking out for themselves, and looking for new ways to control our lives.



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  • kevinunknown said on Aug 20, 2009....

    Why do you want Obama to fail? Your guy didn’t get into the Whitehouse get over it. Just because the Nazis were called the National Socialist German Workers Party does not mean they are purely Socialists if they were they would never have done what they did, they were Fascists. The Socialist/ democratic parties are nothing like Fascists.

    I am a Socialist however I am against Communism; Obama is far from even being a Socialist and even father form being pro-communalism. Just because someone is a Socialist doesn’t mean they are a communist and just because a political party implements Socialist policies doesn’t not make them a Socialist party or for that matter a Communist or Fascist party.

    The healthcare system in Brittan isn’t “ok” it’s fantastic when you really need them they’re there for you no one asks to see your insurance card. We in Brittan look at the American healthcare system and laugh it’s a joke for a developed country like America not to have universal, free and comprehensive healthcare for everyone.  As for your remarks on Quantitative Easing we have done it hear in Brittan and it seems to be working and guess what no wheelbarrows of money like Zimbabwe or Nazi Germany.

    I find myself getting increasingly annoyed at you people. You have the most popular and well liked world leader but you moan about him, you want him to fail. By all means let off steam when he does something you disagree with but wishing him to fail is wishing America to fail and for a country that prides is self on patriotism that is truly sad. You really have to move on from the Bush years and accept that he destroyed the America. He took you into 2 wars, destroyed your economy, spied on you, tortured prisoners, starved technological innovation and left the global reputation of America in pieces. Now that Obama is trying to pick up those pieces you criticise and mock him ignoring all the good he is trying to achieve.

     

  • ALIENated said on Aug 20, 2009....

    ... you want him [Obama] to fail.

    No, we, or at least I, want Socialism to fail. Obama and the Democrats would have to be blind not to see that the majority of Americans do not want the plan they are offering. As I have said before, Obama is president because he was the blacker of two candidates ... and that is really about it. The man has no experience, and I could care less how "popular" he is around the world. If Americans wanted to be popular, we would probably still be speaking with a British accent and kissing the Queen's ring.

    ... universal, free and comprehensive healthcare for everyone ...

    Did you say that with a straight face? Free? Really? If it is free for you, I can only assume you make no money for the government to tax. Or does the Queen pay for it? Government programs are never free. We have Medicare and the VA as examples of socialized systems. Neither work well and cost way to much. For Howard Dean to hold those two programs up as shining examples confirms my opinon of him as a raving idiot, which he seemed to be during the 2004 presidential campaign. And I do not take offense at you Brits laughing at America. We laugh at you guys all the time.

    Kev, you claim to be an educated man, but falling for something like Socialism makes me wonder unless your degree is in Literature, Poetry, or basket weaving. I am certainly no George Dubya Bush apologist. For my money, he bent over way too far to get Democrat approval for the police actions in the Middle East. Unlike Great Britian, we do not want to be overcome and ruled by Muslims. Bush did not do many of the things he was elected to do, but I would rather have a president that did nothing if the alternative was the kind of things Obama is trying to do.

    Obama's goal is Socialism, not healthcare reform. He is already caving on certain aspects of his plan because he does not care what they pass as long as the government has more control over us. And then he will be off on his next mission to convert our free and capitalistic country into an American version of Canada, Great Britian, or Russia. I really do not care what kind of system you blokes like over there. That is your business. Over here, we like freedom, liberty, and justice. And we usually kick the crap out of anyone that stands in the way of that for long -- like Mr. Hitler.

  • UnicornForm said on Aug 20, 2009....
    nagger?
     
    or
     
    haha...hmmm...
  • ALIENated said on Aug 20, 2009....

    Nazi.

  • curmudgeon said on Aug 20, 2009....
    However kevin might define socialism, many of us here in the US do not want it.

    Why in the world would folks in the UK preoccupy themselves with the American healthcare system if they have it so good? Surely there are better things to laugh about. And the American healthcare system is here for everyone, too, when they need it. No one is turned away in case of an emergency. That is not part of the debate. The debate here centers around how much it costs, who pays for it, and how to structure use of the system to its greatest effect. Some of us believe that there are market-based solutions to the problems we face, others just think that government ought to take care of everything. We will hash this out in our own way.

    Might I remind you that the UK followed right along with us into Iraq and Afghanistan like the good little puppies you are? Seems to me that your PMs "destroyed" your country at least as much as Bush "destroyed" ours. Still, I am not going to go around criticizing Blair or Brown for their decisions. Who cares what the UK decides on any issue, anyway? The sun set on you lot a long time ago.
  • uniquely-ironic said on Aug 20, 2009....
    nookie?
     
    A lot of these problems could be solved if the politicians were getting more of it. :P
  • mobil said on Aug 20, 2009....
    I think the politicians are getting too much nookie..........
     
    Now they think they can fuck everybody.
  • ALIENated said on Aug 20, 2009....

    I heard the resullts tonight of an independent study done is Missouri. The study shows that most of our worst fears about Obamacare are likely to become reality if it passes. The lady that lead the study said that Obamacare would lead to medical inflation (inflated medical costs) just as Medicare and Medicaid have caused medical costs to inflate. You know the Obama administration has to be doing these kinds of studies ... and ignoring the results. As I have repeatedly said, this is not about healthcare reform. It is about Socialism and expansion of government. How many movies have you seen that mention the government and have to get in a jab about how inefficient the government is, how hammers cost $100 or toilet seats cost $500 (remember when everyone marches into Area 51 in Indepencence Day?). Even Hollywood does not trust the government to do anything right or on a budget. Government involvement leads to waste and will lead to rationing of care. Sometimes we need healthcare or we will die. We need food every day or we will die. If we let the government take over our healthcare system, why would we not demand that they take over our food supply as well since it is actually more inportant? Because it does not make sense and we know food would end up costing ten times what it should. Government involvement (Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA) and medical insurance supplied by companies has caused the medical inflation we now have. Why would we want more of the same. Is Obama stupid or just willing to do whatever it takes to bring more of our economy under government control? FDR wanted that and LBJ wanted that, but we stopped them and we must stop these Democrats as well. If we fail, food may be next.

  • kevinunknown said on Aug 21, 2009....

    ALIAN --Its fine that Socialism is not a system that would work for America (in your opinion) really am fine with that, what annoys me however is that you compare it to Communism and Fascism and make all sorts of outlandish claims about what Socialism is. You have the mentality that Socialism equals bad and Capitalism equals good that’s such a childish and cave man like attitude. Obama is far off from being a Socialist he has not yet announced a program of nationalisation for goods and services critical to national and economic infrastructure once he does that you can start calling him a Socialist.

    Your views on Brittan are really stupid we are not “over ruled by Muslims” we pride our self’s on a multi cultured sociality. The National Health System is played for through our tax’s yes but it’s a hell of allot better and cheaper than going private and is for the most part a highly effective service.

    CRUM—I get what you’re saying about healthcare personally I think the government should control it much in the same way the control the police and military because some things are just too important to be handled by private business but as I have said before if Socialism doesn’t work for America fair enough. I do agree with you about Brittan blindly following America into Afghanistan and Iraq saying that however I don’t think it is fair to rubbish Brittan’s contribution to those wars. Our country is in a bit of a mess but its no were near as bad as America our economy is showing signs of recovery and we’re dew to be out of Iraq with in the year. I personally regard Blair as one of Brittan’s greatest ever PM’s and Brown as one of the best ever Chancellors (and unluckiest PM ever)

     

  • ALIENated said on Aug 21, 2009....

    ... Socialism equals bad and Capitalism equals good ...

    Considering Obama's past and his associations, I consider him to be a Marxist. When he was young, he was close to and mentored by a lot of people who were Communists. As I mentioned in a recent post ...

    http://www.soulcast.com/post/show/244381/What-Is-Socialism#

    I agree with one definition of Socialism that I found online as it relates to Marxist theory in which socialism is the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

    That is what I think Socialism means to Barack Obama. He has been around communists and people who hate America and our way of life for most of his life. One can only conclude that it is his mission as president to CHANGE America to Socialism as a stepping stone to communism. Notice that the definition says "by the imperfect implementation". He does not care what form this bill takes as long as it gives the government more power over us. That is what I fear, not healthcare reform. Introducing Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA has taken an obvious toll on our healthcare system. It is like a jester skipping down the road tossing money over his shoulder. Everyone takes the money and shows up at the doctor's office. The demand goes up drastically for no good reason, and the supply (of doctors and hospitals) goes down. That runs up the costs, which is just what we have seen. More taxes have to be raised to give to the jester. On and on it goes. It is simple economics. At some point, if we keep giving the jester money to freely give to people, the supply will be stretched so thin, it will have to be rationed as it no doubt is in Canada and Great Britian. Just because you are not old enough to need healthcare that bad, does not mean those that do need it (in your country) are not encountering long waits and rationing. Supply and demand dictates these things. Neither you nor I nor Mr. Obama can CHANGE that.

    And I do not think we can judge or excuse any president based on the previous president. Some problems are passed from one president to the next, but the previous president is history and means little now. George Dubya Bush could be the worst president so far, but that does not mean Obama might not be even worse. The fact that he is a mixed race man no more guarantees that his intentions are good than it guarantees that his intentions are bad. It is just my opinion, based on his past and his past associates, that his intentions are bad because I do consider Socialism bad when it is a stepping stone to Communism.

  • Knowledge1 said on Aug 23, 2009....
    Are you saying that Obama pre-determined, that if he became president, he would destroy America? You said he had "bad intentions". Also, What were we doing prior to Obama that was working, vs what he is trying now. I mean, from what I understand, and correct me if I'm wrong, but there have always been serious issues with America's helthcare plan or system, right. 
    I don't mean to ask questions on your blogs, I just wanna know

  • kevinunknown said on Aug 24, 2009....


    ALIEN- you really have to get it through that stubborn mind of yours that Socialism doesn’t always lead to Communism and the two systems are very different. I can’t speak for Canada but in Brittan the healthcare is not rationed as you put it. He promised you change and your getting your change

  • ALIENated said on Aug 24, 2009....

    He could have been shouting "I will rape your women" (instead of CHANGE) during the election and it would not have made much difference. However, that does not mean everyone wanted their women raped.

    i am well aware that Socialism is not always a road to Commnuism, but I believe it is in Obama's case.

    I heard the perfect statement from a Canadian doctor on the O'Reilly show yesterday. He said something to the effect that Canadians (he may have said Canadian doctors) want a different healthcare system, but they do not want the American healthcare system. He thought that is was funny that America was headed toward the kind of system Canada now has just when they are desparate to get off that system.

    People argue that the American system is better than the Canadian system and vice versa when, in fact, they are both bad. However, the American system started "going bad" about the time Medicare and the VA came along.

    Socialized medicine may work for small countries like the ones in Europe, but those countries are more like our states. Some of our states have tried socialized medicine and it has failed miserably, or so I have heard. I think the mentality in America is different. Our population is more diverse. Welfare has shown us that there are people willing to live off the system if given a chance. Illegal immigrants use our emergency rooms for "free" healthcare (do European countries or Canada have that kind of problem).

    And, as I have said, I really do not care if Socialism works in Europe or Canade (I really think it does not in spite of your opinion). It does not work as well as a free economy. The Democrats have been trying to get their hands on the healthcare system for many years. If they succeed, it will be the beginning of the end for democracy in this country.

  • kevinunknown said on Aug 24, 2009....

    Sorry but even you have to say that you first line was totally stupid. And how dare you rubbish the sovrencey and history of independent states purely based on their size that’s just ridiculous. I love how you think that America a more diverse population than Europe that really did make me laugh just an example of typical American arrogance. How can you say that Obama is taking you on the road to Communism when he’s not even started on the road to Socialism? Please just for once have an open mind. And yes some illegal immigrants are given free healthcare treatment in Brittan because it is morally appropriate why should good healthcare just benefit the rich, it’s disgusting

  • ALIENated said on Aug 24, 2009....

    I think we all know who has the closed mind here. My first sentence was a bit ridiculous, but true. Obama was spouting CHANGE, but no one was really listening to that, nor were they thinking deeply about it or what he meant. Every politician promises to change something or other. America is basically a center to conservative nation, and the majority of Americans were not voting for Socialism when they voted for Obama. I dare say most voted AGAINST McCain and against having another Republican president, and I cannot say that I blame them. And Obama definitely has us on the way to Socialism. Socialized medicine and healthcare is just the beginning. Mark my words. The bottom line is, I just do not feel that the government can do a better job of running our healthcare system than the private sector. Most of the problems that we have with healthcare have been or are being caused by the government (such as Medicaid) and the failure of politicians to address things like insane malpractice lawsuits.

  • curmudgeon said on Aug 24, 2009....
    kevin - I appreciate your likening health care services to police, fire or other services "too important" to leave in private hands.

    How about food? Ought the government simply be the sole provider of food? After all, nourishment is far more important to human survival than health care services? I mean, government could streamline production processes and make sure that agriculture jobs stay in the UK by outlawing imports.

    Or housing? Maybe government ought to be the sole provider of housing. All of those nice estates in the English countryside could be returned to a wilder, more natural state by simply cramming everyone into large apartment complexes. There would not be a need for so many power plants or roads or much of anything else that impacts the environment  if everyone lived in the same area.

    This is not to ridicule your idea so much as it is to ask where do we draw the line between what necessities government provides and what we must take responsibility for ourselves.

    As far as health care in the US goes, the vast majority of Americans are insured privately. Many may feel it costs "too much," but no one ever asks how much people ought to be paid for services that save and prolong their lives, that grant mobility to the immobilized, and give families a few more precious years with the aged folks they so love.

    Yes, there are issues such as portability and rejections for pre-existing conditions, but it makes far more sense in the US to manage these things privately than to encumber us with yet another Federal agency. As the cash for clunkers program vividly points out, Federal programs are just as likely to underserve their clients through lack of administration, confusing polices, and horrid reimbursement rates as private insurance companies.

    The only thing is that once government dominates a sector in the market, unless you are extremely wealthy there is no other place to go. I think many Americans would have a real problem with this.
  • ALIENated said on Aug 24, 2009....

    You have hit on something (why not regulate food and housing) that I have also asked recently ...

    http://www.soulcast.com/post/show/247047/Free-Food-For-Everyone

    Like it or not, the government taking over healthcare is a slippery slope. Why should government get so involved in our everyday lives? People came here from Europe to get away from opressive governments and here we are on the road back to that.

  • javadewd said on Sep 02, 2009....
    There is a big difference between a European socialist and a Nazi, but Kev sounds like he's throwing stones. Good job, Kev! You now sound like a bag a la douche...
  • ALIENated said on Sep 02, 2009....

    Nazis, Socialists, Communists, it is all extreme control by the government, too much control by the government.

    ... why should good healthcare just benefit the rich ...

    Healthcare has gotten so expensive because government and insurance companies got involved. Employers started supplying free insurance to their employees and that skewed the market. Doctors and hospitals raised their prices to take advantage of the seemingly unlimited insurance funds. That is a simple matter of supply and demand. They supplied services to those with the most money to pay for their demand. That left people with no insurance out in the cold so they have to get insurance, too. That raised the demand for healthcare insurance which raised the price of the supply. Plus, the government comes along and provides Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA. More golden geese for doctors and hospitals. The VA uses doctors from the private sector as far as I know. However, having their own hospitals is probably a step in the right direction. If the government wants to set up its own hospitals and provide its own doctors as a last resort for the poor, that would be acceptable. Who would use it if they did not have to?

  • javadewd said on Sep 02, 2009....
    If you have more money, you can push your body to live longer... Or so the progressives think. Hey, I don't understand why people want to whore life. The idea of exercising for an hour to extend your life an hour seems redundant and counter-intuitive. Now if I could have aerobic exercise for 20 minutes a day and extend my life another day (or hell, even an hour) I'd consider it. It's like those yuppie fucks who convinced us all to go to bottled water because it was suppose to be oh so healthy. Now all I drink is bottled water and those same yuppie fucks tell me I'm filling landfills. I thought this shit was suppose to be recyclable or bio-degradable? But since they're fucking liars anyway, I get to be their little bitch? I don't think so! I say piss on the yuppie fuckers!
  • ALIENated said on Sep 02, 2009....

    That is exactly why I do not listen to the global warming crowd. We were supposed to be victims of the population bomb by now. I suppose all the abortions have saved us from that.

  • javadewd said on Sep 03, 2009....
    Savage said it best last night. They have reduced themselves to nothing and attack the people who still believe that they are something to attempt to reduce them to nothing as they are. I think that the phrase "fuck the fucking fuckers" seems to translate down to the very essence of the argument.

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