• SeanRenaud said on Jul 08, 2009....

  To be fair he is claiming that with the downed economy there isn't extra money for infrastructure.  You could just as easily say that his project should have been forced through when things were going well.  And he is for drilling here and drilling now.  He is still the man with the best plan I see.  Use what we've got now but aggressively start working on alternate plans.

• ALIENated said on Jul 08, 2009....

  Yep, I am all for anything that will keep us from buying foreign oil, but it has nothing to do with "going green", which I think is a bunch of political bull. I think it is criminal that we import one ounce of oil.

• beyondtheveil said on Jul 08, 2009....

  There was a book out last year I believe about the earth producing new oil all the time, but I think it's just a theory. I'm for going after our own oil too, just remember that they will never do anything really worthwhile to get off foreign oil until it's a crisis situation. 

• SeanRenaud said on Jul 08, 2009....

  See it upsets me that you are so against going green.  Going Green is one of those things that should be such a part of everybody's agenda that it shouldn't be possible to politicize it.  I'd be against giving money to our enemies period but still blue skies and green grass should be a given. 

  Seriously ALIEN you're not an idiot.  you occasionally play one on TV but you're not.  What EXACTLY about "going green" is distasteful for you?

• stopmediabias said on Jul 09, 2009....

  We need to define "going green."  If going green is reasonable conservation by everyone, reasonable exploitation of all our resources and reasonable attempts at aternative fuels then I am all for it.

  If going green includes spending trillions on unproven theories, increased taxes and costs on energy usage with no clear advantages, and ceasing future present exploration of energy based on unproven theories then sorry I am against going green.

• ALIENated said on Jul 09, 2009....

  What EXACTLY about "going green" is distasteful for you?

  That it is being politicized by the left, by morons like Al Gwhore. I want blue skies and green grass as much as the next guy, but I do not want the next guy telling me that I have to do a bunch of stupid, unnecessary stuff to keep the skies blue and the grass green. I do not want the government soaking us all for more tax money to spend on all that stupid stuff. There are countless scientists saying that Gwhore is full of shit and the PC crowd ignores them. I am not the idiot, they are the idiots. I do not mind using flourescent light bulbs (I have already started converting), but I do not want to be told I have to use them by a moron like Al Gwhore. The only reason I am using them is that it might save me some bucks for electricity. The only reason I would ever drive an electric car is that it might save me some bucks for gasoline. We middle Americans love our cars. We would rather die from smog than being mugged by some angry crackhead on the subway or bus. I wholeheartedly agree with regulating what industry can dump in the river. Something like that is obviously wrong. Besides, why do you think the government can tell us how to run our lives when it comes to the environment, but they cannot tell us whether to do drugs? I agree with the government's stance on drugs. That is something that can be proven to be bad for our health and destructive to our society. It is more of a law and order issue like murder and robbery. The whole global warming scam is just another excuse Democrats use to grow government control over us, to make themselves necessary for our very existence. It is just all part of the negative way Democrats think. They would rather sit around and smoke dope than come up with innovative ways to correct problems. They would rather us not drive to reduce smog. I would rather scientists develop giant air filters powered by nuclear energy or cheap American oil to reduce smog. That way creates jobs and means I never have to take a bus. Liberals want to fix everything by raising taxes and making people do stuff only liberals want to do as they call everyone else idiots.

• beyondtheveil said on Jul 09, 2009....

  alien- What if it was politicized by the right? It should be. Not to soak people for tax money, but to educate and provide ways to be greener in certain cases. For instance, we have our trash picked up in large carts provided by the city. They provided an extra one at no expense for recycle.
  
  Green can save you money in many ways and help the environment at the same time. Being green is a mindset and should be supported by everyone, politicians included.
  This is what going green means to me, anyway.
  

• Zayda said on Jul 09, 2009....

  According to the article in the NY Times and in the Dallas Morning News, Pickens hasn't completely abandoned his idea of wind farming. He has dropped the idea of creating the world's largest wind farm and will instead build a handful of smaller wind farms around the upper southwest (Oklahoma) and the midwest. So, Pickens hasn't completely given up in investing in alternative energies and getting us off foreign oil; he's just scaling back his plans.
  
  The full NY Times article is here.  The Dallas Morning News article can be read in its entirety here.
  

• bhalah said on Jul 09, 2009....

  dont really know if this is abaut, couse is not easy to me when my traslater computer dasent work, but, what i understand not long time ago, is that in few years the problem will not be the oil, but the water, and to have this in a certain tipe of idea, to have better years in the future, the change have to be 180 degrades, i mean a big chanche, it was an article, it said, how much water will need a countrys, as we using now, in the future, the number was like, we are spending now, 3 , 4 ,7 times more the countrys water they are using now, it depend of the country, the biguest, or the number of people living there, the marquet,  same of them expend to much, and theres not going to be enoufh just in few years, so is not matter if we are green or not, its to have the concence haw we have to change our confort life, spending to much water, is not easy, not a gobernament, put much effort on tell the reality, and said to us, we have to change our wonderfoul life style, couse we not going to have WATER... and whitout water, dont know what coul be, everything it needs water, food, dress, health, microchips either, dont know, i do the watering to my land lord, where i live, and dont know how to said, sorry, if scientifics are right, i can not do this Sr, is very difecaut to be green, but we have to think abaut this...i shoud..i am the first doing wrong....yes, there small steps, to start, and many people das, recicling etc, but dont know if this is enoufg..sorry if i am out of sence... abaut alternatves energies, the prices are not for all, eolic is not forever, need replace in few years, has a time of life, not for evryone, solar, it depend where we live, life style is our change, where the efort has to be, insted 4 cars, maybe one, instead, 5 pair of shoes, maybe one, or 4 a year, and keep for next winter, desame, insted of procesing food, ecological, dont know...

• SeanRenaud said on Jul 09, 2009....

  1.  Again why is there no official Republican stance on the enviroment?  The offical stance of the GOP is Al Gore's stupid.  "Senator what do you think about dumping thousands of gallons of toxix waste into the Mississippi River killing the native wild life?"  Did it hurt the farmers crops or my income?  "No"  Al Gore is stupid.

  Even if that isn't your stance as a party you've made NO effort get around it.  At least the Dems pay lip service to the idea that sometimes violence is the best answer.

  2.  Doing drugs hurts yourself.  I don't have a problem with people hurting themselves.  you want to do drugs, and hang yourself?  Fine.  Go on a head just you know don't do something to ME or anybody else.

  Pollution hurts the enviroment and thus effects more than just you.  There in lies the difference.  I believe in freedom accept in the cases where it hurts other people.

  3.  With all but a few exceptions I don't support changing laws, or using government money to force changes that aren't 100% required.  However I would think that a generation that lived through the space race would be slightly more supportive of "unproven" technology. 

• stopmediabias said on Jul 09, 2009....

  Sean-#1 is a stupid kneejerk answer and you of all people should know better.

  The Republican stance is the same as the Democrat stance we just like to see where our money is going.  Ok ya wanna spend a zillion dollars on windfarming fine, prove it works first.  Right here right now we have an energy source and we should be exploiting it to the max until the next best thing comes along.  The next best thing is all ready here, we just have to figure out how to mass produce it so everyone can afford it. 

  We hammer on Al Gore because history is written by Liberals and Al Gore will go down as a hero when he has probably done more damage than anyone could ever imagine.  And this is because of his own greed.  He could stick with this environmental cash machine forever but he has taken this Global warming thing to levels now it has become absurd. 

• SeanRenaud said on Jul 09, 2009....

  I doubt history is written by Libs but I 'm not going to debate that point.  Number one is not a knee jerk.  It's a fact there is no official Republican Stance on it.  There is a reaction but no stance in and of itself.

  If Republicans were supporting the hell out of nuclear power I'd jump in waist deep with them.  If Republicans were supporting technology to convert other materials into oil I'd be jump in with them.  Honestly if Republicans would change their social stances I'd switch parties in a heart beat. 

  Hell to be honest I might change my party soon anyway because California Republicans are pretty much my people other than their stances on marriage.  They are otherwise rather benign and the Dems in this state. . .well they might be insane.  I'm not going to mention names I'm just going to say that at least one prominent SC poster is from CA and if you actually pay attention I don't agree with him on nearly everything.

  I like to see where my money is going btw.  In fact if there was a party that was going to swear that their first act in office would be to make the budget transparent AND comprehendable to the public I'd vote for them almost regardless of any other stances they held.  I would like to have a single website that says.  The government spends X.  X is divided like this.  And then be able to click on a slice of the pie and see EXACTLY where that money goes. 

• ALIENated said on Jul 09, 2009....

  Beyond: yes, I am that kind of green. I am a total believer in recycling and I think they should be doing even more of it. We should not have to separate our garbage. It should all go to a separating plant. I saw a TV show where some guy is doing just that -- as a business, not something mandated by goofballs from Washington. I dare say there are more Republicans / conservatives recycling than there are liberals. I know liberals who would not walk across the room to recycle an aluminum can.

  Zayda: Thanks, and good for him. As I said, I just saw a bit of the TV news story. I figured it was not yet economically feasible to mess with it. However, I know there are other wind farms around.

  bhalah: yes, we need to figure out how to convert ocean water to fresh water. Or how to make it rain. However, I rarely water my yard anymore. It has been raining often enough that my grass is going crazy. Probably has something to do with the greenhouse effect (just kidding).

  Sean: I think everyone agrees that dumping crap in the river is bad. Does anyone still do that? Really? Look, my position, and I think the Republican position, on just about everything is that the government should not take control of stuff and become a dictator. The government should facilitate and provide armed forces to protect our country, which they can do like the police and fire departments you were talking about. The government should not be telling me what kind of light bulbs to buy. The market should dictate that. Scientists should warn us that things are bad (like smoking) and then we make up our minds. Government should not be taxing tobacco to the point people have to stop smoking. You as a dope feind shoud appreciate that. The homo marriage deal just flies in the face of centuries of Judeo/Christian (and just about everyone else's) tradition. There is absolutely no reason for homos to get married. They just want validation, which they will never get. It would be like asking religious people to accept murder as lawful (which liberals are doing with abortion). It just does not compute and never will. Even if people tire of fighting it and the laws are changed, a majority of the population will still think homosexuality is perversion, no matter what they are forced to say by hate speech laws.

• SeanRenaud said on Jul 10, 2009....

  Christians love murder.  They just title it Corporal Punishment and then it's magically okay.  I think it has to do with not getting your hands dirty directly.   It's actually very funny that a people who believe in an afterlife where they will be rewarded for good deeds even believes so strongly in supporting their military.  I mean really if you and your family get killed you go meet Jesus on a fluffy cloud.  Why are you so interested in living anyway?  Could it be you know you it's just a fairty tale?

  Besides I'm don't support the government taxing things to the point of making them illegal which is what we are (or should be) discussing.  You can only tax anything so much before the natural result is that it will go underground and that should NEVER be done.  As far as "silly things" like light bulbs go I'd wait until they are proven as simply better, not better in one way or another but simply better and then just tax the hell out of producing them.  The public often moves too slowly.

• ALIENated said on Jul 10, 2009....

  Christians love murder.

  Hey, pass the bong. I am too straight for this conversation. I have no clue what you are talking about. Do you? Get some sleep, dude.

• SeanRenaud said on Jul 10, 2009....

  Are you denying that the Right is the side fighting to keep the Death Sentence?  If so you can pass that bong right back, if not. . .well its funny that you know I'm right.

• ALIENated said on Jul 10, 2009....

  I consider myself on the right and they can stop executing people any time as far as I am concerned. I think the right and the left are not that pure. Most people have a few issues they are passionate about and the rest is neither here nor there. I know that is true with me. We get in trouble when people like Borax get into power and they are sold on most every left or right issue. They are called fanatics, which is what you are probably thinking about. I would think there are a lot of Christians that do not care for the death penalty even if there is some rationale to it (we put mad dogs to sleep why not human mad dogs). I do not care for the death penalty because juries can be wrong and, when the accused is put to death, there is nothing that can be done if the jury was wrong. They are overturning verdicts every day with new forensic techniques (like DNA matching) that were not available years ago. However, those forensic techniques make it easier to prove someone's guilt these days. It is hard to stand against the death penalty when you run upon a case like some dude kills his wife and two small children (a case I was called for not long ago). I had to make it clear that I was not for the death penalty because they had to ask for the death penalty in a multiple homicide. However, I think the guy deserves the death penalty. He fits that mad dog category I was talking about, unless he could be proven insane.

• stopmediabias said on Jul 10, 2009....

  Sean-NO 

  This is what you said:

  "Again why is there no official Republican stance on the enviroment?  The offical stance of the GOP is Al Gore's stupid.  "Senator what do you think about dumping thousands of gallons of toxix waste into the Mississippi River killing the native wild life?"  Did it hurt the farmers crops or my income?  "No"  Al Gore is stupid."

   Cut the crap this is not about toxic waste or killing native wild life and this comment is just about the most ridiculous thing anyone's ever said.  If I made such I comment I would back away and say I either ranting or inhaling a little too deeply. 

  And how the fuck do Libs make a comparison between the death penalty and abortion?  Lets keep Ted Bundy alive and fatten him up with our tax dollars while killing the unborn because it "might" grow up in a bad environment and become a criminal.  I don't even agree with the death penalty but come on there are certain people that need to die and this doesn't mean we enjoy it. 

  Alien-Jesus you are right, pass the bong.

   

• ALIENated said on Jul 10, 2009....

  Plus, it continues to be funny that you think executing a psycho criminal is murder and abortion is not. Criminals have comitted some horrible crime and innocent babies have done nothing. I would opt for stopping both, but stopping abortion for sure. Maybe that is what we need, some legislation that says either we keep doing both or stop doing both. I could live with the later.

• SeanRenaud said on Jul 10, 2009....

  Abortion isn't murder because you knwo they aren't people and they aren't alive.  You can't kill something that isn't alive you certainly can't murder it.  Even if you could are you guys really going to say that the law of the school yard is what we should use as our measuring stick?  Well you guys do it too!  And uh your fat! 

  And yes this is about dumping toxic sludge, and floating islands of trash the size of Texas and dead spots in the ocean from pesticide run off and hunting animals to the point of extinction.  It's all of that and much more.  It's deforestation of the rainforests, overfishing and cleaning oil slicks.  IT's all the things Republicans ignore. to the point that the the Left had to hyper exaggerate the concept that we are all going to die simply to get the ignorant public to agree to try to cut emissions or to not throw litter out the window

• stopmediabias said on Jul 10, 2009....

  That is a bunch of crap, Republicans don't ignore anything.  Even GW bought into some of the global warming nonsense but also did wonders in his ocean projects and other environmental tasks he took on. 

• SeanRenaud said on Jul 10, 2009....

  If he did such a thing he completely forgot to mention it.  And I don't recall McCain saying anything of the like during his campaign either.  This is politics kidlets if you didn't say it and say it when someone was listening it didn't count.

• stopmediabias said on Jul 12, 2009....

  So politics must include a corrupt media that only highlights perceived wrongdoings.  John McCain, one of the things that makes him a moderate is his environmental stance.  He said and caught a lot of flack from conservatives that he wouldn't open ANWR to drilling.

• SeanRenaud said on Jul 12, 2009....

  To be fair not opening ANWR for drilling is stupid.  I really think the perception of corrupt media is by the large just a perception.  It's the Right's version of anybody who makes more money than I do did so by stealing money that should have been mine.  Or every single black man is a complete angel, hard working genius who would have naturally owned a Fortune 500 company by age 25 if The Man didn't plant drugs on him in order to place him in jail. 

   

  But that said yeah politics must include and learn to manipulate the corrupt media.  The good news is that in a world of internet it is MUCH easier for individuals to fact check and communicate it quicklyt o friends and family.

• javadewd said on Jul 13, 2009....

  For all the times that BO gets up to a podium [and a camera and a teleprompter], that fucker should be taxed for all the carbon dioxide being emitted from his crusty pie hole. How long does he stand up there? Hours?? What a blubbering vagina! How many prime time TV shows does this asshole have to interrupt (especially when I TiVo them, damnit!!) before the public turns against him for being such a blatant narcissist?? I swear, get this vain prick a mirror for his office so maybe he'll stay in there and get some fucking work done!! Rah-rah my ass, dickhead!!!

• SeanRenaud said on Jul 13, 2009....

  Glad I live in Cali where he never pre-empts anything worth watching.

• ALIENated said on Jul 13, 2009....

  Hey, who else can everyone watch and be entertained by them killing a fly. That was impressive.

  I went in a store today and saw the cigarette packages behind the counter. The price for a PACK of cigarettes was right around $6.00. I remember when a carton was less than that. I think Big BroBama may have lost the smoker's vote for sure.

• javadewd said on Jul 14, 2009....

  Oh, but smoking is bad... Bad people smoke... Screw the vote of the 'bad people.'
  
  Oh, but wait, didn't some report from the Missouri Highway Patrol and the DHS under BO call all domestic Christians and military vets terrorists? Oh, but that's the bad people... Screw the vote of the 'bad people.'
  
  Oh, and didn't Janeane Garofalo say that those Tea Party attendees were a bunch of racists and rednecks? Oh, but that's the bad people... Screw the vote of the 'bad people!'
  
  2010 is just around the corner, folks!
  

• SeanRenaud said on Jul 14, 2009....

  Wow.  I keep forgetting that you're not mistaken or misinformed.  You're just a liar.  I would like anybody who normally disagrees with me, ALIEN, SMB, D6 and of you to actually take the time to read or at least gloss over Java's " terrorists" link and tell me if by any sane means that claming that all Christians or even a large portion of Christians should be considered terrorist or that given the past (Lee Harvey Osald and Timothy McVeigh) that we don't have legit reason to keep track of military men, particularly those with PTSD or otherwise disturbed?

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• javadewd said on Jul 14, 2009....

  I keep forgetting that SeanRenaud says I'm one of those bad people, so therefore it must be true... Screw the vote of the 'bad people.'
  
  Obama keeps saying that our economy is fine, so therefore it must be true. Anyone who disagrees with the fascist must be one of those bad people... Screw the vote of the 'bad people.' Put them on a 'no fly' list and tap their phone, because they're the 'bad people.'
  
  If you disagree with SeanRenaud then you must be one of those bad people, put them in a little box, marginalize them to what little ability you think you know how, throw out some absurd assertions and self-gratifying generalities, and then dance a little jig for the bad people... Screw the vote of the 'bad people!'
  

• ALIENated said on Jul 14, 2009....

  There are foreign terrorists and there are domestic terrorists. Deal with it. It is just that there are extremely few domestic terrorists. (I think the jury is still out on Lee Harvey as far as I am concerned. He did not look that smart to me.) I can see why people are so paranoid about right-wing domestic terrorists when that is just about all Hollywood ever talks about. If they deal with a foreign terrorist, especially from the Middle East, there is always some sympathetic aspect to it. Most likely because there is so much foreign oil money floating around Hollywood these days. It is down right amusing if you start paying attention to it. If only we prosecuted foreign terrorists as readily as we fry domestic terrorists, especially if they are perceived to be right wing. Left wing domestic terrorists (like environmentalists and animal activists) get away with murder or at least a lot of property damage. We live if a very goofy country right now. The phrase cutting off your nose to spite your face leaps to mind. Lots of people are defending some pretty stupid stuff at the expense of our nation's future.

• SeanRenaud said on Jul 14, 2009....

  That is hardly paranoid.  No more than when the SAME thing happened and made the News in 06 and 07 about how blacks and latinos were gunning down cops en masse with the skills they learned overseas!
   
   
  See ALIEN this is exactly what I mean when I talk about you all vs the rest.  Here you are basically agreeing with Java who is clearly the whackjob of your team. 
   
  Does bloc, Kelly or myself ever defend Andora or Sheltercrow?  Hell I go out of my way to make sure I put them down extra hard because they are not representative of me.  If you want me to stop linking you with the guys who support the KKK maybe you should step up you fucking game in slapping them down.

• ALIENated said on Jul 14, 2009....

  I agree and disagree with a lot of people. I do not consider that in what I say. I say what I believe (like Hollywood thinks all terrorists are made in the USA) and if it coincides with what someone else believes, so be it. I am not into slapping down individuals. I say my piece, take it or leave it.

  That report looks like a bunch of crap written by the liberals now in charge of Homeland Security. It says we expect trouble from right-wingers because a black man is in charge and the economy is bad. I would have to agree, but I do not necessarily think it will be violence, just political backlash in 2010. If Republicans had written something like that, we would still be hearing about how bogus it was on the evening news of all the lapdog liberal TV networks and newspapers. It mentions propaganda. OH MY GOD. This from liberals. That report is like something right out of Saving Grace or CSI Miami. Do you not find it strange that there are no left-wing terrorist reports when there are animal activists and environmentalist doing all kinds of destructive things and pretty much getting away with it. Wake up Sean before I start lumping you with Andora and Skittlecrow.

• SeanRenaud said on Jul 14, 2009....

  We DID hear this in 06 and 07 over blacks and Mexicans in the miliary,  Made front news and everything.

  And define Hollywood?  I mean do you not watch 24?  It's all about Evil Muslims destroying the US.  Well sometimes evil Mexicans.

  And even doing research I've never once heard of a left wing terrorist killing anybody (well not counting the groups you mentiond.  If you want to extend the net to include Malcom X, Black Panthers etc then yeah the body count expands.

  Seriously I've been openly critical of black culture on many accounts, you don't get to talk to me like I don't hold Black America responsible for every fuck up it has or should I start posting links here?  Before you start even letting the concept of linking me with the loons do you really want me to start linking my criticisms of blacks in particular or the left in general going back basically as long as I"ve been here vs your every so often I delete everything so I can't be quoted record.  I respect you, a great deal but that doesn't mean you get a free pass.  I means you get benefit of the doubt.  So does SMB and D6.  As far as Javaliar goes I was supposed to have a parade in my honor and I still haven't even heard word one about it despite being part of several networking groups.  I mean maybe, just maybe I'm still getting it but I doubt it.

• ALIENated said on Jul 15, 2009....

  I am really losing touch with what we are talking about here, and no, I do not watch 24. I plan to watch it all someday, from the beginning. I have done that with several series that I found out about after they got popular. Anyway, I am not doubting that there are radical right-wing groups. I am saying that report seems bogus to me, written by an agency now controlled by left-wing wackos ready to arrest some white kid as a right-wing Christian religious fanatic simply for setting off firecrackers. As I said, it is almost comical. There are always a few KKK types out there spouting simple bigotry, but most do not oppose Borax because he has some black blood. They oppose him because he has nutty, socialist ideas. And most right-wingers will oppose him politically, at the ballot box, and that is all there is to it. Only Hillary thinks there is some vast right-wing conspiracy. It is just a matter of perspective that most radical left-wing groups are viewed (by the left) as the peasants viewed Robin Hood. Breaking the law is breaking the law no matter whether the law breaker has a left-wing or a right-wing philosophy. When that person's beliefs manifest in violence, they should be arrested and thrown in jail. I have no sympathy for someone at either end of the radical philosophy spectrum. Left-wing bigots would be more credible if they, too, denounced the wackos in their ranks. I could not read more than a couple of paragraphs of that report, but I doubt that any of the left-wing groups, which I do believe are real, are mentioned. That is what is ridiculous about it. It is a manifesto written by simple minded liberals about barely a handful of idiots as if they were an army. Not to mention it is full of "this could happen and that might happen" language. That is what I find comical.

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