Time travel without paradox.
The idea of being able to run around history like a jogger runs around
a track has always been fraught with the obvious loopholes.
What if you go back and kill your Granddad when he was a kid?
How could you then be born, grow up and live to go back in time
and kill Granddad?
If time travel is possible, then where are all the time travelers? We
can’t be SO boring that NO ONE ever comes back to catch some of
our act…can we?
If I nuke the founding fathers in 1776, and the United States is never
launched out of beta mode, how will I recognize anything of the
world I return to? And who there will remember me?
The answer to the Granddad Paradox, as well as the 1776 Massacre,
may be that it simply is not possible to return to the present – that is,
you can’t fast-forward into the future. So kill Granddad, but you’ll
likely end up prosecuted for murder and considered a lunatic, too.
And as for the interest of future generations in us, that might depend
on just how long from now time travel develops. For example, this
is the 21st Century. Suppose this is just the beginning of human
history and time travel isn’t achieved until the 1,953rd Century? Not
counting the eras B.C., that’s 1,952 centuries to explore. Do we really
stand out in this crowd, or will we be explored by a relative handful
of the curious?
And what if such time travel only works on the organic subject and
not on his clothes, tools, weapons or medicines? An ordinary appearing
human claiming to be from “the future” with no evidence save his
brain would swiftly be labeled either “looney” or “psychic” (for
predicting major events). There are plenty of these fellows – maybe we
should heed them carefully instead of looking away and dismissing
them.
And what would it benefit such a stranded voyager to ‘fess up?
Time travel, like suicide, may be a one-way journey.
Forget religion: here is a link to "God" -
http://www.soulcast.com/The_Naked_Professor/
TheNakedProfessor posted on Sep 08, 2006
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RodSerling said on Sep 08, 2006....
But what if I kill Hitler? When he's a baby?
Then WW2 never happened and six million Jews
lived to propogate, and maybe the Atom Bomb
was never developed.
But it was, they didn't, and it did.
So I can't, can I? And no one else can, either.
I can't believe that 70 years of what happened
never did.
If that can happen once, it can happen repeatedly.
So reality is like an etch-a-sketch, history made -
history erased - history made - history erased -
ad infinitum...
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TheNakedProfessor said on Sep 08, 2006....
Some physicists might argue that as soon as Hitler is
killed by a {tachyon-driven?} time traveler, or even as
soon as the newly-arrived time traveler steps on a bug
that lived in Hitler's room, "reality" splits into a
parallel universe where history branches off into another
of it's infinitely possible limbs...
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celestialspace2001 said on Sep 08, 2006....
suspects (time travelers) -
Jesus, Mohammed, Sargon, Zeus, Helen of Troy,
Nefartiti, P.T. Barnum
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StoneMaster said on Sep 08, 2006....
Won't most people want to go into their immediate past?
If not their family (dead relatives) then their recent
history, for financial advantage or accident prevention
or assassination-thwartation?
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ALIENated said on Sep 08, 2006....
Since becoming a blogger, I have been thinking a lot
about the subjects you ... ah ... we humans discuss ad
nauseum: politics, religion, sex, food, abortion, time
travel, etc. Most of these are based on opinion so we
never really get anywhere even though both sides offer
up some kind of rock-solid proof they are right. Those
subjects get boring pretty fast, but I have spent hours
thinking about time travel. I lost lots of sleep in high
school and college discussing it. However, I have recently
satisfied myself that it is only possible to travel into the
future, not the past. The past is gone, never to return.
The people are dead, the plants and animals are dead,
yadda, yadda. But we can travel into the future by
jumping over periods of time. We do it every night. We go
to sleep and jump over several hours of time into the
future. We could be put into an artificial sleep and wake
up years in the future like Mel Gibson in the movie
Forever Young. We could go into space, fly too
fast, and come back years in the future to The Planet
of the Apes. Traveling into the future is possible and
breaks no natural laws (like bringing millions of people back
from the dead). I know, you have some rock-solid
scientific proof that traveling into the past is possible.
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SithBorg said on Sep 08, 2006....
Time travel is a concept that science studies seriously.
It’s a real possibility. It is not inconceivable that time
travel is going on across our galaxy and our universe in everlasting momentum.
Still, consider our place in the vastness not only of
Space, but within the complex of Time…
In 10 years, no one will directly remember World War Two.
In 50 years, Hitler will be a footnote, the Holocaust an
oddity, and the 20th century a romanticized period of optimism.
In 100 years, The Beatles, Hollywood and every major
star of today will be forgotten.
In 500 years the United States, the United Nations and nationalism itself will be anachronistic.
In 1,000 years all of our wars, inventions, words of
wisdom and greatest structures will be of interest
only to the scholars.
In 5,000 years none of our present cities will stand,
few will be studied and reminisced, and the concept of
the city itself will have morphed beyond recognition.
In 10,000 years every person you ever knew or ever
heard of, save one or perhaps two, will be buried in the
lost files of the dustiest containers in the oldest
storehouses of the very most ancient treasures of our
distant descendants.
In 50,000 years the creators of electricity, artificial
intelligence and biological engineering will be of no more importance than the names of those who first harnessed
fire, built two wheels, or used a stick as a deadly spear -
if indeed they even HAD names.
When all we are is absorbed and taken for granted, there
will be little interest in our particulars. The ego called
upon to imagine thinkers of the year 195200 obsessed
with the activities of the people of 2006 is colossal.
Would you like to spend much time with Grog The Cave Dweller?
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SithBorg said on Sep 08, 2006....
My. What a conservative opinion coming from an ALIEN.
You are thinking of time as component parts in a
coordinated field. Time properly conceived is non-
sequential, like a kaleidoscope of yesterdays, tomorrows
and todays, all visible at once but focusing on one
small part at a time.
Time is as mappable as Space. Space is as transient
as Time.
Or so they say...
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TheUndergroundEagle said on Sep 08, 2006....
I want to fly like an eagle
to the sea
fly like an eagle
let my spirit carry me
I want to fly like an eagle
'til i'm free
flying to the revolution...
time keeps on slippin, slippin, slippin
into the future....
- Steve Miller Band & The Underground Eagle
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hotaka said on Sep 08, 2006....
Causality. On argument is that if you could travel back in time what you would end up doing is causing things to lead toward the present anyway. You would be making the present possible because it already is. Let's say you went back and tried to kill Hitler. Surely many people tried but never got close enough. They were probably routed out, captured and killed before it could become an issue. The fact that Hitler lived and did what he did is proof that no one every succeeded in offing the guy. If you went beack in time to kill him it might be you who ended up deceased!
As for why anyone would choose to come back specifically to 2006, I agree that there is no good reason. As SithBorg said, there is no reason for this year to be remembered in another 2,000 centuries or so. And that's the funny thing about most time travel stories. Everyone from the future comes to our present. Why? In stories that claim to be from the far future people still remember the famous names of today. What about all the famous people who will come after. How many names of famous people does history record from the last hundred years vs. 1,000 years ago? Of course, there are more people and better world communication these days and we have many ways to store information now. A thousand years ago information storage was limited to paper, steel and stone. And no one in South America cared to know what was happening in Northern Europe or even knew about Northern Europe.
If time travel becomes feasible a thousand years from now I think most people will be looking fifty or a hundred years back and wanting to change things, not a thousand years back.
One interesting thought is that if time travel becomes possible, it would have to be very seriously regulated, unless of course my first point about time travelers fulfilling the present and not changing the future is true. Still, in a world of time meddlers we might be faced with a present of no past.
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secretlife said on Sep 08, 2006....
This is soooo over my head it isn't funny.
I'm stuck thinking about what if you go back and kill Hitler and 6 million jews don't die.
What happens to those 6 million lives that ended and then weren't ended? How many children who never were would have been born and what would they have done and how would they have potentially changed the world?
If there are alternate universes and you can time travel, do you then specify the universe you want to travel to?
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Indiefilm said on Sep 08, 2006....
I'm going to have to agree with Alien. Traveling back in time is a nice idea, but I doubt it's possible. Travelling forward, well, you can't really do anything but travel forward.
"Time properly conceived is non-
sequential, like a kaleidoscope of yesterdays, tomorrows
and todays, all visible at once but focusing on one
small part at a time."
Sith, that sure sounds pretty on paper, but I'd like to see someone prove it in the real world. I'd like to see someone prove that one event doesn't actually follow the one before it.
It defies empirical evidence to the contrary.
However, if it was possible to travel back through time, the point about what makes 2006 special, is completly valid. Unless there is a specific event, or location of interest, who would want to go back to see it 1,000 years after the fact?
Something like Ancient Egypt, sure, go back and see the glory days of the Nile, that would likely draw time tourists. Hell, it was way more than 1,000 years ago, yet still interesting enough for people to travel there for vacation.
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ALIENated said on Sep 08, 2006....
As I said, I too have struggled with all of this and, of
course, only have my opinion, which is: time travel is only
possible in one direction. That said, if I meet a time
traveler tomorrow (that can prove it), I will be on board
with the whole idea. Most people think of traveling into
the past as being like rewinding a video. A good example
is the Back to the Future movies (I told you I was
fascinated with the aspects of time travel). They went
to the past and everything simply rewound like a tape,
they were interjected into the past, and off things went
to create a totally new future, which they could not go
back to in the second movie. What happened to those
of us who remained here? Did everything magically change
around us? Maybe that is what deja vu is all about. Of
course one episode of Star Trek, TNG did just that. A
ship from the past came through a worm hole, or
something, and everything changed around the crew.
Only Woopie Goldberg's character knew something was
different. Creapy. Also, if people learn to travel here from
the past, there will probably be some kind of time cops
to keep those who do travel to the past from destroying
the future. I need an aspirin.
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okelay said on Sep 08, 2006....
maybe one of the bloggers here is a Time Lord and we don't even know it!!
well, to answer the grandad paradox,i suppose you killing him, or for that matter, you going back in time creates an alternate universe. every decision from the smallest one to the life-changing event has several outcomes. and in diferent realities, they all happen.
we just can't see it.
i think that more interesting than time travel i'd like to see travel between parallel universes.
to answer all the 'what if' we all have.
see how things could've turned out.
i don't think the future is set in stone. it can be changed, manipulated.
someone said, what if you killed hitler? what if you could visit a universe where hitler never existed?
would it be different? better? worse? maybe the WWII happned for a reason
or maybe someone else would have taken his spot and it would have happened anyway.
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ProfessorChronotice said on Sep 08, 2006....
All of you are dead wrong and lack the vision to see the obvious compelling flaw in you vision of the future. Let’s try a thought experiment just to enlighten the dullard to this obviosity.
Suppose Time Travel is a very real possibility that all scientifically technological civilizations eventually create for fun, pleasure or general entertainment.
Be honest, when is the last time you dropped your change?
When is the last time you looked over your shoulder to see if anyone was looking and tossed your Fish and Chips (or McGreasyBum) paper in a ditch beside the country road?
When did you last relieve your self behind a tree while traveling?
Since mutations occur in a rather odd regularity within the E Coli that live in the 21st century gut, any sudden mutation that leaped hundreds of mutations ahead (from the feces of our most disgustingly stinky time traveler) would be noticed as an entirely new virulent species of E Coli like organism.
This has not happened.
Since there have been no anachronistic discoveries of foldable Iridium Pepsi Cans and no one has come forward to display a year 3000 Lithium penny he found in his odd change jar...we do not survive.
Yes friends since the science of the 21st century has succeeded in making subatomic particles sail both forward and backward in time, we are actually on the very verge of the introduction of real time travel, just like on the Telly.
But however in a somber note since the anachronisms that would assure our survival as a species are not also present...
Ergo we are toast.
Within the next 5 or 6 years, we vanish. Maybe the next species to inherit the earth will finally make a really good toupee that doesn’t get a laugh or make a version of Spam that actually is edible.
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ALIENated said on Sep 08, 2006....
I get it. If there was such a thing as time travel, Spam
would taste better. Well, confess futureguy. Spam does
taste good. You have obviously only heard bad jokes
about it in the future. And for your information, I could
not possibly be your grandfather.
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RodSerling said on Sep 08, 2006....
There are all sort of mysterious viruses and strange
discoveries. I thought about that, too - on the small
scale, no humans travel alone, timewise or otherwise.
We're full of tiny critters and they are also making
choices, entering and leaving me, reproducing and
dying on me, eating me and feeding me as I sit here
typing.
It would be stranger on a extraterrestrial level,
but across eons of time there might come a meeting
of microscopic warriors that would be fatal - or
amazing - to their hosts.
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RodSerling said on Sep 08, 2006....
ALIEN, are you talking to yourself again?
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TheNakedProfessor said on Sep 08, 2006....
Empirical evidence comes through the senses. The
senses are designed for selective filtering. There is
no empirical "evidence" of x-rays to ordinary senses,
yet they exist in nature.
I'm just siding with Einstein and Hawking on this one.
If they say that yesterday is to my left, down the street
and up the 3rd staircase behind the purple door, I'll
take that walk.
Think of an egg falling to the floor and shattering. There
are no "laws of nature" known to us that prevent the
egg from regrouping, flying back up to the table and
nestling safely in the carton. It isn't likely. It is
possible. I'm not banking on it.
That would still not be the past, it would be the future.
So now let's put the egg in the frying pan.
From the instant the egg came out of the carton, two
divergent futures played out, united by a third (the egg
reforming). Both came from a starting point that, until
that moment, was identical. Both came from the same
hen, the same farm, the same state.
Time has never stopped "moving" forward. But the
starting point of "cause" is revisited and played out
differently.
As for the rest of us, when the egg rewound, so did we.
We weren't aware of it, but...deja vu?
Now we need the mechanism, technique or method of
getting that damned egg back in the shell consistently.
And the winner is the one who can make the next
new world they were aiming for, and then find a way
to get "back" to it.
In time travel terminology, the past is the future
regrouping and restarting from a selected starting
point. It won't require anyone to walk backward
consciously.
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aeschylus said on Sep 08, 2006....
Professor ...
(aka Scoundrel)
You are assuming that time is linear and space has substance.
No such thing as time travel because time is not linear and space has no substance.
The assumption that one could "move" through time in space from point A to point B implies that there are sequential points in time and that the substance is taking or displacing space.
Imagine, however, that at each point in "time" you stop to focus on does exist, and that the substance that is supposedly moving through and in that "space" is there at the same time you give it your mental attention.
Each and every point in time exists simultaneously, and the substance that is "moving" through space also exists simultaneously. The only factor that is not constant in the equation is your own focused attention, which is limited to a physical or tangible perception.
aeschylus
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ALIENated said on Sep 08, 2006....
Yes. And I think TNP's comment is moving forward in time.
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hotaka said on Sep 09, 2006....
To Professor Chronotice - Again, perhaps we haven't found anything is because no one has bothered to come back to our present. There may be far more interesting times ahead in the future that are worth visiting to someone even further out in the future.
And how many poopies have you inspected recently just to be sure they are not from the future? It's a good argument, but who's checking out pooh? If it were flushed it would end up in the sewage treatment plant anyway.
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hotaka said on Sep 09, 2006....
Did anyone read Time Line by Michael Chricton? That had a neat take on time travel, teleportation, and alternate universes.
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hotaka said on Sep 09, 2006....
If I were going into the past I don't think I would bring my money from the future anyway. And in the future they might not even have cash. "Oops! I lost my credit chip implant around here somewhere."
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andrew23 said on Sep 09, 2006....
The naked professor is absolutely right about his concept of time, he just stated above the truth, clear and naked.
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TheNakedProfessor said on Sep 09, 2006....
Aes, I agree with SithBorg's earlier description...
Time properly conceived is non-sequential, like a kaleidoscope of yesterdays, tomorrows and todays,
all visible at once but focusing on one small part at
a time.
...and I think quantum physics reinforces such a
view. I am not saying that "Time" is linear, only our
perception of it. Ever seen an old "record" made of
vinyl, requiring a needle fixed on a mechanical arm
to play the sound?
Time is the record. Your individual consciousness is
the needle. The needle is designed to reveal the
record as it moves sequentially down the grooves.
So are our senses. But from a 4th-dimensional
viewpoint, we'd "hear" the whole record at once.
It would then sound like cacaphonic chaos. But it is
all there - past and future.
Remember, scientists have agreed that no energy is
created or destroyed. Every atom of Granddad that
existed still exists, whether cohesive or scattered and
rejoined elsewhere, and so can "leap back" into the
Granddad shell if motivated. Once reconstructed,
Granddad will pick up wherever his benevolent
benefactor decides.
And we are not "traveling" anywhere, actually. However
the atomic structures around us are reversing, retracing,
reassembling from motivated probability memory.
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celestialspace2001 said on Sep 09, 2006....
Why aren't the ladies weighing in on this? I know that
time manipulation (can't call it "travel" now according
to TNP) is of interest to us also.
Here's a wonder: ONE girl gets a "time manipulator" (TM)
and resets the cosmic clock. Okay then, is this for the
whole universe? Or is it localized, like to the immediate
Galaxy? Or maybe even more, for just the planet? Or
maybe just the local town gets reset?
If the whole universe doesn't get reset, then you have a universe composed of various "pockets" of time. Damn!
Did I just hit a whole new idea?
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celestialspace2001 said on Sep 09, 2006....
Is there anyone that YOU think might be or have been
from a time AFTER everything you already know?
restarters from the future, continued:
Woody Allen
Henry Ford
Thomas Jefferson
Leonardo Da Vinci
Joan Of Arc
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sheemAfeM said on Sep 09, 2006....
Professor, how many "times" have I started over so far?
Any way to tell?
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StoneMaster said on Sep 09, 2006....
Gives a new light on "fortune tellers" - no?
Maybe they are just better at remembering possible
outcome to make it real or choose it away...?
"I see your future..." Or one of them...
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TheUndergroundEagle said on Sep 09, 2006....
Psychic powers seem almost logical if you're just
remembering patterns...
There might be 100 different time-doctors click on 2006
as the time-manipulating centuries go on.
That means we started over at least from THIS point
99 times.
So 99 times I've started typing this sentence. Each
time that I go on from here, it's slightly different.
Also, lots of other time-doctors went back before this
startover date and changed me lots of times before -
including a few times when I never came into being.
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hotaka said on Sep 09, 2006....
"Maybe they are just better at remembering possible
outcome to make it real or choose it away...?"
Sounds like The Oracle from The Matrix.
Here's a thought about time travel. In the stories and movies people always appear in the exact same spot on earth from where they left when traveling to the past or future. But the earth is rotating and revolving around the sun, the solar system is moving around the galaxy, and the galaxy is moving through the universe. If time travel means that you don't move through space but only time then you would stay in exactly the same location in the universe (given any adjustments for expansion of space). If you traveled just a couple of months forward you would be left floating in space because the earth would have moved on. Travel ahead a few thousand years and you might not even be able to find the right system anymore. Or travel back a few hours and you might end up inside the earth by mistake. "Oops. It looks like he has reappeared inside a limestone bed. Let's hope there's a cave down there."
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hotaka said on Sep 09, 2006....
celestialspace2001 - It's kind of like going to Europe. So modern and yet so antiquated.
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TheUndergroundEagle said on Sep 09, 2006....
Psychic powers seem almost logical if you're just
remembering patterns...
There might be 100 different time-doctors click on 2006
as the time-manipulating centuries go on.
That means we started over at least from THIS point
99 times.
So 99 times I've started typing this sentence. Each
time that I go on from here, it's never exactly the same.
Also, many other time-manipulators rewound to before
this startover date and changed me many times
before - including a few times when...
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TheNakedProfessor said on Sep 09, 2006....
I'm guessing, hotaka, that whatever is manipulated for
the experience of time rebooting is moving along at the
same momentum as Earth. That's why you can jump
straight up on a trampoline and not land in the pool 20
feet to the west.
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raulraffinknockknock said on Sep 09, 2006....
wow...205 hits in your first day...and i'm thinking now how
reincarnation ties in with these theories...maybe your next
life is your same life the next time a time-manipulor manipulates time...
i know this makes sense....
i hope!...
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hotaka said on Sep 09, 2006....
But TNP, that would suggest you have inertia (time inertia?) and are moving through space as well as through time. So are we talking about the kind of time travel where you take a short cut through space arriving at a point before light catches up or are we talking about not moving through space at all and only through time. Or do you just move through space with time anyway since they are interwoven?
Besides, it works better in SF stories for the traveler to arrive in the past or future in exactly the same location on earth. But that doesn't mean it would hold true if we ever did figure out how it works. In that case you would have to figure the movement of the earth through space into your time jump calculations. There's a kind of a mention about that in a short story by Isaac Asimov in his book Robot Dreams, where a scientist explains that as a billiard ball enters a zero gravity field it will appear to float above the table because of the movement of the earth. That's no what actually happens in the story, however.
Has anyone considered the possibility of time jumping through the use of worm holes? There's a lot of stuff about that. With enough energy (more than we can produce now or even hope to produce in the next few centuries) you can open a hole in spacetime and step through to another place or time or both without feeling more than 1g and without requiring years and years of travel time. Kip Thorne and his buds came up with some workable idea for Carl Sagan's Contact. The only problem we have is that we don't have what it takes to open a wormhole large enough and stabalize it long enough to ride on through.
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hotaka said on Sep 09, 2006....
I thought about the inertia bit while I was cooking dinner. It occured to me that the trampoline example doesn't work well enough because the amount of time that we leave the trampoline is too short for any noticeable loss of inertia. If the same principle applied to time travel then short trips would bring us back in relatively the same spot but longer trips could leave us farther from our launch point. Imagine jumping on the trampoline so high it took you an hour to come back down. Could you expect the trampoline to still be there?
I then thought about throwing a baseball into the air from a train crossing a high bridge. First of all, the wind would knock it back and reduce its inertia and velocity. Then air resistance and gravity would pull the ball down and its path forward would become a curve until it hit bottom. In the supposed vaccuum of space the ball would continue to travel along with the train, or whatever you would be traveling in (Lord knows you wouldn't want to stick your head out the window without the proper gear). But your velocity would be the same as the baseballs then. Moving ahead in time assumes that the baseball is traveling at faster than the train and arriving at some point before the train arrives.
I then thought of traveling in a car. As long as you stay in or on (or under) the car you move at the same velocity. This can be compared with our movement forward through time by our sluggish movement through space while moving about on the surface of the earth. If you could catapult yourself forward you would be moving faster than the car, and thus in the time travel scenario, you would be moving ahead in time. But when you land there is no car. So when you stopped moving ahead in time, would there be an earth? Same goes for catapulting yourself off the back of the car. You move back to were the car was but it is no longer there. In time you would move back but how could you expect the earth to be there if you weren't moving through space as well?
What if instead we catapulted ourselves up and forward? If we calculated the trejectory and velocity correctly we could land in (or on) the car once it arrived and we arrived at the desired location. In three -dimensional space that means moving up as well as forward. How would this translate into moving through time? Is there an "up" in time as well as a forward or would you have to move through another dimension altogether?
In conclusion I figured that comparing moving through time to moving through space an unrealistic and impractical concept. There are several ideas as to how one can travel through time either to the future or the past, but we simply don't have the technology to test those ideas that work out fine on paper.
How about that Time Machine (H.G. Wells) method of travel where you sit in a chair and watch the world change rapidly around you? If the time traveler can witness these events than that means he is still occupying that spot, which means everyone else should be able to see him, unless he slips into some kind of fuzzy stasis bubble that light can pass into but not out again. If people could see him then he would appear completely frozen. In that case, he would be a bit like Dave Lister in Red Dwarf when he gets put in stasis and stays in there for millions of years and comes out exactly the same age as when he went in but far off in the future. Except that the time traveler can move in his own real time and therefore would appear to change position at an extremely slow rate just like that old Star Trek episode where Kirk is zipping about at super high speed and sees Scotty virtually standing frozen still.
Man, I should be using these ideas for my own blog. But few would read them. The discussion is more fun here.
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ProfessorChronotice said on Sep 09, 2006....
Given:
1) Time Travel is viable.
2) Time Travel is controlled by government regulation and limited to a select few only once or twice a year.
3) The Human race exists 2 billion years until the sun goes nova.
4) At any one time even in a highly controlled time travel paradigm, there are 4 billion time travelers among us.
OR
Given:
1) Time Travel is viable.
2) Time Travel is controlled by government regulation and limited to a select few only once or twice a year.
3) The Human race exists 1 million years until an Asteroid wipes us out.
4) At any one time even in a highly controlled time travel paradigm, there are 2 million time travelers among us.
OR
Given:
1) Time Travel is viable.
2) Time Travel is controlled by government regulation and limited to a select few only once or twice a year.
3) The Human race exists 1 thousand years until a disease wipe us out.
4) At any one time even in a highly controlled time travel paradigm, there are 2 thousand time travelers among us.
OR
Given:
1) Time Travel is viable.
2) Time Travel is controlled by government regulation and limited to a select few only once or twice a year.
3) The Human race exists 500 years until Aliens arrive and begin eating us.
4) At any one time even in a highly controlled time travel paradigm, there are 1 thousand time travelers among us.
Point is we should be absolutely swimming in Chronotrash Buggers. They should be everywhere, on every street corner, trying to eat all our fast food. But they are not. They are not here at all. The only possible way there could be one or two is if the planet exploded just after their departure. It is the law of compounding all over again. Given any substantial length of time every thing possible to do will be done over and over ad nausium.
Even if the Chronotrash are very good at hiding in plain sight there will be biological, social, informational and hence temporal cockups. It is in our nature.
The only solution is:
1) Time Travel is not possible – DISPROVEN BY CURRENT SCIENCE
2) We do not survive as a species past the next few years – THE ONLY LOGICAL CONCLUSION!
So my friends eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we die.
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Indiefilm said on Sep 09, 2006....
TNP: "Remember, scientists have agreed that no energy is
created or destroyed. Every atom of Granddad that
existed still exists,
Rembemer that scientist also agreed that nothing could travel faster than the speed of sound.
Science isn't always correct, especially when it comes to theories which can not be adequetly tested. Science is the pursuit of understanding of the physical universe, it hasn't arrived at complete understanding yet, and probably wont in our lifetimes.
That said...
1. Atoms can be destroyed, look at the atom bomb.
2. If you reasemble grandpa's atoms, you do so in a new unit of time, so while grandpa may exist as he once did, He wouldn't exist when he once did.
Hotaka: An excellent point, the earth is moving round the sun, the sun is moving round the center of the Galaxy and the Milky Way is moving reletive to other galaxies, and the 'center' of the galaxy. Right now I'm violating all kinds of speed limits, I'm traveling at 1000's of miles an hour just sitting in my chair.
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aeschylus said on Sep 09, 2006....
If I hadn't been in partially in another place and time yesterday, I would have responded (with my personal opinion, of course), more properly. My apologies to all.
Also apologies to so many comments (following), but I've thoroughly enjoyed this thread today.
think outside the box ...
aeschylus
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aeschylus said on Sep 09, 2006....
|??? ... Time Travelers Are Among Us ... ?
Yes.
Professor, I'm wondering if you were asking if events can be changed by travel through time. Seems a lot of
followup focused on that. Hmm ... Hasn't that been covered?
If time travel is possible, then where are all the time travelers? We can't be SO boring that NO ONE ever
comes back to catch some of our act?can we?
The "time travelers" are all around you. One is probably even you. The problem is perception and awareness,
not whether or not something does or does not exist, or is or is not happening.
Boring? ...
Absolutely. If I go to the other side of the world, come home, and tell everyone I saw a skyscraper taller
than any on this side of the world, and the responses were consistently, "Oh no you didn't see any such thing,"
or even "You never could have possibly gone to the other side of the world because everyone knows there is no
other side of the world," you'd get pretty bored pretty quickly too. Ditto on a lot of other subjects.
And what if such time travel only works on the organic subject and not on his clothes, tools, weapons or
medicines? An ordinary appearing human claiming to be from ?the future? with no evidence save his brain would
swiftly be labeled either ?looney? or ?psychic? (for predicting major events). There are plenty of these
fellows ? maybe we should heed them carefully instead of looking away and dismissing them.
I can only respond to this with this link from The Loss Self: http://www.headinjury.com/losself.htm
For those who feel learning about traumatic brain injury, just think about it the next time you get behind the
wheel of your car and prepare to speed down the freeway, or the local country back road. The major cause of
brain injury (i.e., head injury) today are motor vehicle accidents. If you're lucky, you will never have to
learn about it first hand.
Or, perhaps, from another perspective, if you're lucky you will, because it has been found that such an injury
can unlock the portions of the brain that are not normally used, out of necessity, not choice. What is the
current reported statistic as to how much of the human brain is REALLY utilized on a daily basis?
Want a new perception? (or not) ... Get hit in the head!
And what would it benefit such a stranded voyager to 'fess up?
Why bother, if as you say, that person would be labled "looney?"
Time travel, like suicide, may be a one-way journey.
Can't figure out why you assign suicide as different than death? Or why it may be a one-way journey? You
died and came back, right?
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TheNakedProfessor said 1 day ago...
Some physicists might argue that as soon as Hitler is killed by a {tachyon-driven?} time traveler, or even
as soon as the newly-arrived time traveler steps on a bug that lived in Hitler's room, "reality" splits into
a parallel universe where history branches off into another of it's infinitely possible limbs...
Reality, nor the universe, can "split" if it is infinite. I doubt the human thought process cannot accurately
perceive infinity. The human thought process generally has trouble perceiving what's for supper.
aeschylus
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aeschylus said on Sep 09, 2006....
|??? ... Time Travelers Are Among Us ... ?
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aeschylus said on Sep 09, 2006....
StoneMaster said 1 day ago...
Won't most people want to go into their immediate past?
If not their family (dead relatives) then their recent history, for financial advantage or accident prevention or assassination-thwartation?
Why? Think about it ... Kill a relative, rob a bank, cause an accident.
Example: Prevent an accident on Street A, causes one on Street B. The accident will still happen, that's a constant.
I figure there has to be some controls in place somewhere.
aeschylus
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aeschylus said on Sep 09, 2006....
ALIENated said 1 day ago...
Since becoming a blogger, I have been thinking a lot about the subjects you ... ah ... we humans discuss ad nauseum: politics, religion, sex, food, abortion, time travel, etc. Most of these are based on opinion so we never really get anywhere even though both sides offer up some kind of rock-solid proof they are right. Those subjects get boring pretty fast, but I have spent hours thinking about time travel. ... ...
... I know, you have some rock-solid scientific proof that traveling into the past is possible.
Alien ...
Gee, you're bored about politics, religion, sex, food, abortion ? Awww !
I'd like some rock-solid scientific proof that you're real though. I've always said that aliens have already landed.
aeschylus
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aeschylus said on Sep 09, 2006....
SithBorg ...
Well spoken!
I've bumped into a few of those "scientific" studies. Some even have different names. And the Professor's earlier comment assigning the term "looney" has been applied to the researchers as well. (Actually, I think some of them are too.)
Too bad the human ego just can't cope with the possibility that physical reality (and our "existence") is just a miniscule microcosm in the order (and priority) of things.
aeschylus
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aeschylus said on Sep 09, 2006....
hotaka ...
You're still thinking linear and limiting the space theory.
Think outside the box. Coffins are boxes. Boxes are coffins.
aeschylus
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aeschylus said on Sep 09, 2006....
secretlife said 1 day ago...
This is soooo over my head it isn't funny.
LOL ... Mine too! Isn't the Professor some teacher, huh? Wonder if he's teaching himself anything?
If there are alternate universes and you can time travel, do you then specify the universe you want to travel to?
Excellent question!!! And there are definitely a few I'd like to avoid, as well as places where certain other "travelers" are kept out! So, do we finally get to choose the company we may have to keep for infinity?
aeschylus
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ALIENated said on Sep 09, 2006....
OK, we are going to need another case of beer to get
through this. I think TNP should buy the next case.
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aeschylus said on Sep 09, 2006....
Indiefilm said about 19 hours ago...
Sith, that sure sounds pretty on paper, but I'd like to see someone prove it in the real world. I'd like to see someone prove that one event doesn't actually follow the one before it.
It defies empirical evidence to the contrary.
I'd like to see anyone "prove" anything. Is there any real empirical evidence that you (or I) even exist? I suspect the Professor could possibly be a 12-year-old kid having some of his readers help him write his next science paper?
Or did you finally turn 13, Professor ?
(Ooops, that's a different time and space.)
aeschylus
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aeschylus said on Sep 09, 2006....
ALIENated said about 16 hours ago...
As I said, I too have struggled with all of this and, of course, only have my opinion, which is: time travel is only possible in one direction. That said, if I meet a time traveler tomorrow (that can prove it), I will be on board with the whole idea. Most people think of traveling into the past as being like rewinding a video.
Glad I'm not going in your direction. Around or up and down would be nice too.
A good example is the Back to the Future movies (I told you I was fascinated with the aspects of time travel). They went to the past and everything simply rewound like a tape, they were interjected into the past, and off things went to create a totally new future, which they could not go back to in the second movie. What happened to those of us who remained here? Did everything magically change around us? Maybe that is what deja vu is all about.
I saw that too. Interesting concept. Entertaining value too. Realistic?
Of course one episode of Star Trek, TNG did just that. A ship from the past came through a worm hole, or something, and everything changed around the crew. Only Woopie Goldberg's character knew something was different. Creapy. Also, if people learn to travel here from the past, there will probably be some kind of time cops to keep those who do travel to the past from destroying the future.
And the writers were definitely playing some fun games with the script. Lt. Yar, who had died, was "suddenly" there. I tremendously enjoyed the theories that were presented with such a well-liked character.
I need an aspirin.
Awww. I'm sorry.
aeschylus
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aeschylus said on Sep 09, 2006....
okelay said about 16 hours ago...
maybe one of the bloggers here is a Time Lord and we don't even know it!!
aeschylus
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aeschylus said on Sep 09, 2006....
okelay said about 16 hours ago...
maybe one of the bloggers here is a Time Lord and we don't even know it!!
LOL ... I was thinking a similar thought. Maybe its the Professor? Where does he REALLY go during the week?
Your other points are well made. Especially "we just can't see it."
(It would be nice to have some better last second editing features here, huh?)
aeschylus
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aeschylus said on Sep 09, 2006....
ProfessorChronotice ...
Oh gee. Who pooped on you?
aeschylus
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aeschylus said on Sep 09, 2006....
RodSerling said about 12 hours ago...
There are all sort of mysterious viruses and strange discoveries. I thought about that, too - on the small scale, no humans travel alone, timewise or otherwise. We're full of tiny critters and they are also making choices, entering and leaving me, reproducing and dying on me, eating me and feeding me as I sit here typing.
It would be stranger on a extraterrestrial level, but across eons of time there might come a meeting of microscopic warriors that would be fatal - or amazing - to their hosts.
Rod ... appropriate nick ...
This makes the assumption that somehow time, space, and the physical are connected or interactive. I don't think physical is part of the equation other than it simply exists in our perceptions as something important.
I also don't perceive time and space as being connected or interactive.
But then, I'm a fool (aka "looney")
aeschylus
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aeschylus said on Sep 09, 2006....
TheNakedProfessor said about 12 hours ago...
Empirical evidence comes through the senses. The senses are designed for selective filtering. There is
no empirical "evidence" of x-rays to ordinary senses, yet they exist in nature.
I'm just siding with Einstein and Hawking on this one. If they say that yesterday is to my left, down the street and up the 3rd staircase behind the purple door, I'll take that walk.
Ditto. But, I present to you: "Why? I saw you there next month. Don't you remember?"
Think of an egg falling to the floor and shattering. There are no "laws of nature" known to us that prevent the egg from regrouping, flying back up to the table and nestling safely in the carton. It isn't likely. It is possible. I'm not banking on it.
Let's get rid of the egg. Theorize "ego" instead. Egg is tangible, physical, limited. It will never make sense to compare apples and oranges. Ego is not tangible, more far reaching, and limitless based on what I've seen (especially in men).
Time has never stopped "moving" forward. But the starting point of "cause" is revisited and played out differently.
Time can't "move" ... space can't move. And when did cause and effect come into play here?
As for the rest of us, when the egg rewound, so did we. We weren't aware of it, but...deja vu?
Speak for yourself.
Now we need the mechanism, technique or method of getting that damned egg back in the shell consistently.
No we don't need any mechanism for the human body, or any "thing," to travel through time. Gee, it would just litter everything up!!!
And, if as ProfessorChronotice theorizes, humans (and everything else) are about dead or non-existent, we certainly don't need another archaic "mechanism" cluttering up the cosmic consciousness.
In time travel terminology, the past is the future regrouping and restarting from a selected starting point. It won't require anyone to walk backward consciously.
Isn't that saying "traveling in circles?"
aeschylus
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aeschylus said on Sep 09, 2006....
hotaka said about 9 hours ago...
To Professor Chronotice - Again, perhaps we haven't found anything is because no one has bothered to come back to our present. There may be far more interesting times ahead in the future that are worth visiting to someone even further out in the future.
And how many poopies have you inspected recently just to be sure they are not from the future? It's a good argument, but who's checking out pooh? If it were flushed it would end up in the sewage treatment plant anyway.
hotaka ...
... "perhaps we haven't found anything is because ...."
How do you know no one has come back to our present? What is your "present" ???
I was wondering if ProfessorC might be the poopie inspector too. Think I'll stay out of his "present" (only a guy would be a poopie checker or inspector!)
aeschylus
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aeschylus said on Sep 09, 2006....
TheNakedProfessor said about 6 hours ago...
Aes, I agree with SithBorg's earlier description...
Actually, Professor, now that I read it with my head clear (in the proper time and space), I also think SithBorg is closest to answering your question (aka, comment, post, theory, exercise ... whatever it is; I just thought it was fun. Can we play some more???)
By the way, some nice analogies.
(PS: you can call me ming; I realize aeschylus is a bit complicated for the fingers).
aeschylus
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aeschylus said on Sep 09, 2006....
celestialspace2001 said about 6 hours ago...
Why aren't the ladies weighing in on this? I know that time manipulation (can't call it "travel" now according to TNP) is of interest to us also.
Whaddya mean ?? !!! I'm a "lady!"
Here's a wonder: ONE girl gets a "time manipulator" (TM) and resets the cosmic clock. Okay then, is this for the whole universe? Or is it localized, like to the immediate Galaxy? Or maybe even more, for just the planet? Or maybe just the local town gets reset?
If the whole universe doesn't get reset, then you have a universe composed of various "pockets" of time. Damn! Did I just hit a whole new idea?
This is why the guys never ask us nuthin! We're too practical. And we also take credit for the universe running properly.
Which gave me a thought. Maybe I'll take a day or two off in THIS time and space and chase some of those cute butts I was too busy for before (or after?).
Hmmmm!
aeschylus
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aeschylus said on Sep 09, 2006....
StoneMaster ...
So, what IS a fortune teller?
One of those "loonies?"
aeschylus
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aeschylus said on Sep 09, 2006....
TheUndergroundEagle said about 4 hours ago...
Psychic powers seem almost logical if you're just remembering patterns...
That's exactly what it is ... a pattern. Figure out the pattern and you have the answer.
But you have to look for the pattern in the right place (wherever you happen to be), at the right time (now), and with the proper perspective (very open minded).
aeschylus
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aeschylus said on Sep 09, 2006....
TheNakedProfessor said about 4 hours ago...
I'm guessing, hotaka, that whatever is manipulated for the experience of time rebooting is moving along at the same momentum as Earth. That's why you can jump straight up on a trampoline and not land in the pool 20 feet to the west.
ROFL ...
Now, that would be a SIGHT wouldn't it.
At the same time, I think that it is not only possible, but probable and has already occurred.
aeschylus
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TheNakedProfessor said on Sep 09, 2006....
Dang, Ming...thanks for hosting the post while I slept -
I think!
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aeschylus said on Sep 09, 2006....
Professor ! (you ScoundreL!)
Like hell I hosted your post!
You don't even read me, and with both Hunter and Madame elsewhere I'm just going to get the last word in.
It was commented to me you've just been talking to yourself. I can do that too.
aeschylus
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ProfessorChronotice said on Sep 09, 2006....
Two points:
1) The arrow of time is an allusion.
2) Causality is also an allusion.
Thought experiment again (this is called the BFC Proposition):
Suppose you had a window in your room and you placed a brand new leather wing chair just out side so it could be seen when the drapes are parted. Every day at precisely noon you open your drapes and take a photo of the chair. You do this task for 20 years.
At the end of that time you spread out all of the photos on the floor of your local football stadium. As you walk around admiring the collection the thought occurs. How do you tell which order they were taken in? Without a preconceived notion given to you by others about the general characteristics of old stuff as compared to new stuff, you are lost.
A passive observer has no way of discerning which direction in time a discrete object is traveling without the assistance of an outsider who defines the difference between old and new. Without a preconceived set of rules the arrow of time is indiscernible and ergo does not exist.
We could be surrounded by stuff every day that is tumbling backward in time and we would never notice anything wrong. Our minds eye is opening those drapes one day at a time. To us the chair has always been there.
Causality is also a matter of misperception (this is the 2C Supposition).
Imagine two cones in space with the apex or point of one touching the other. Causality is like that.
For every discrete event in space-time the number of dependent following events (effects) increase exponentially the farther into the future you measure. Also for every discrete event in space-time the dependent causal events increase exponentially the farther into the past you measure.
The upshot is that all discrete events that occur have many possible causes and many possible effects. Thus you can not go back in time and change anything as there are too many alternate paths to the same result.
ProfessorChronotice © 2006 All rights reserved
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RodSterling said on Sep 09, 2006....
Yes we are here. But only as an electronic avatar within the body of the internet. Physical travel is prohibited due to biological cross contamination. As it turns out time travelers are more infectious than dirt from other planets. Makes an odd sort of sense as the bugs in our blood are already programmed to thrive on earth. All we can do is exchange information and learn.
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TheUndergroundEagle said on Sep 10, 2006....
Psychic powers seem almost logical if you're just
remembering patterns...
There might be 100 different time-doctors click on 2006
as the time-manipulating centuries go on.
That means we started over at least from THIS point
99 times.
So 99 times I've started typing this sentence. Each
time that I go on from here, there's no way to tell
what will happen..
We should conclude that time manipulation - if it
becomes too common - will also become pointless.
When we all keep restarting the game because we
don't like the way it's going, no one will ever be
satisified.
Maybe that's why we die.
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TheNakedProfessor said on Sep 10, 2006....
Sorry Professor C, you can't copyright stuff on my blog,
and I haven't posted any copyrighted stuff from anyone
else on my blog, so guess what? I own that stuff you
just posted!!!
...Unless you can time-manipulate yourself back to the
moment you hit "Submit comment" and start a new
world-path, dead-ending this one like an unfinished
bridge over the Grand Canyon...
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TheNakedProfessor said on Sep 10, 2006....
Indiefilm: I think you meant "the speed of light"
And you reiterate my point that time keeps "moving"
in one direction (in our perception as witnesses) and
that Granddad's reconstitution under this condition
is not a restoration of the past itself - it is a
reconstruction / reassembly of past form restored
to a chosen restart point.
From restart on, every decision has to be remade.
No two futures are the same BECAUSE of those
multiple elements of cause/effect/chance/choice.
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TheNakedProfessor said on Sep 10, 2006....
NOTE TO COMMENTORS:
Because of incidents related to real-life security (anyone
who's been here more than a week knows what I'm
referring to) imitation names of actual bloggers will
not be tolerated, right along with trolling, anonymous
blog-sniping and other non-illuminating or anti-productive
crap. So "RodSterling" gets one shot (I sense an attempt
at humor when applying benefit of the doubt) but that's
it. Any ALIENATIONateds or silverywhisperts or
jadedlondons will be expunged and blocked. Waste yer own space (and time).
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hotaka said on Sep 10, 2006....
aeschylus - I thought that suggesting time had an "up" as well as a forward was pretty much outside the box. No book I have read has ever suggested that. Might sound like rubbish, though.
Besides, most of my time/space ramblings were to prove that time cannot be considered in the same view as space. I thought I said so.
Loved your comments. Made me chuckle at times. I like your way of thinking. I can learn from you.
So now I definately have to start reading Breaking the Time Barrier. I'll just finish the book I have now and then I'll pick it up. If I get any new ideas I may post them next time.
Next time.
BTW, TNP. Most of my ideas here (except the one I thought about while cooking dinner) were lifted from a blog I have posted on another site. I just rewrote them as I responded to the comments. Who gets copyright then?
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ProfessorChronotice said on Sep 10, 2006....
TNP
Consider it a gift. My point and that of Mr.Sterling is that the biological danger is probably large enough to prevent time travel from ever being anything but the movement of information gathering probes back and forth in time.
Hence the Chronotrash are really already watching us. Perhaps some future generation is watching a big screen version of the life of TNP, complete with actual footage and imitation popcorn.
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aeschylus said on Sep 10, 2006....
ProfessorChronotice ...
I've been thinking and thinking about how to reply to your various comments here. It's been like a small flicker at the edge of my peripheral awareness that flits in and out at the oddest times.
"biological danger" did the trick I guess ... gave some substance to the meaning I think you were putting across that I just couldn't understand.
I hope I can state my position clearly. Time travel will never happen on a physical level. Physical has no correlation to time OR space. It's just one of those poopies you mentioned (yeah, humans too!)
The physical level we are currently on is absolutely nothing, for lack of a better way of expressing it. It is so minimal in the vast universe of awareness that it is probably the reason for most of what goes on in our awareness. We are pre-neanderthal ... by a couple dozen thousands of centuries!
If anyone can detach from the physical awareness of existence and simply open "thought" (meaning apply some attention to) even the possibility that what you see, hear, feel, think, do IS NOT REAL, it's the first baby step. That awareness and level of consciousness some seem so desperate to reach, and others so desperate to avoid, is right there saying "I'm here; join me!"
As long as you think it, discuss it, acknowledge it, you'll miss the train. To catch the train, so to speak? Doesn't take much ...
Every moment of every day, every time you find yourself being aware of something, allow your "thinking" to accept the possibility and probability that what you are perceiving IS NOT REAL.
It's a trip.
And ProfessorChronotice ... you can flick right out of the corner of my awareness now... (Oh, it's gone!)
aeschylus
aka loonie
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Indiefilm said on Sep 10, 2006....
TNP: I think you meant "the speed of light"
No, I meant the speed of sound. Scientist had believed nothing could break the sound barrier as it violated a nice pretty equation in fluid dynamics. They also had a smattering of 'proof' related to control issues with propeller planes which attempted to go faster the 4 or 5 hundred miles per hour.
The only problem was the equation didn't match reality. That was of course tossed out the window when a working jet was built and tested. Check the link again, read the opening paragraph.
Scientists once though nothing could travel faster than the speed of sound. that's my point, nothing more. Scientists aren't always right when it comes to their theories. They sure are quick to change their minds and forget all about it once someone proves those theories wrong though.
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ProfessorChronotice said on Sep 10, 2006....
Aeschylus, my new friend. You stated
Every moment of every day, every time you find yourself being aware of something, allow your "thinking" to accept the possibility and probability that what you are perceiving IS NOT REAL.
If you mean by your many posts that we live in a metaphysical magic enhanced Fu Fu land not unlike the fabled matrix or shambala. My only comment is to ask that you stop bogarting and pass the bong.
I am in full agreement that the reality our limited senses reveal to us is NOT ALL THERE IS. I think it is the height of noddleheadedness to think that the three dimensions and time factor we can sense are not on the list of the many real things that DO EXIST. There is an entire branch of physics research dedicated to devising practical experiments to discern proof of the 11 or so dimensions we think logically must exist.
If you mean that time can be traveled vicariously through high concentration yoga and kegal exercises, I think you are a loon in full bloom.
The thought occurs.
What causes your nonexistent finger to throb so when it is caught in the window of your nonexistent SUV?
Why do bacteria squirm and reproduce and spread their DNA with such abandon causing nonexistent diseases in the nonexistent people the live in this NON-REAL world?
Lovely lady your premise is absurd.
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aeschylus said on Sep 10, 2006....
ProfessorChronotice ...
hehehe!!!
Actually ...
ROFLMAOPIMP !!!!
I was going to ask YOU to pass the bong!!!
I'm not crazy; I'm dead.
aeschylus
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TheNakedProfessor said on Sep 10, 2006....
Reality is the consensus of consciousness influencing
your present awakened period.
Every time you go to sleep, you enter the interdimensional
crossroads of Dreamspace. While your memories of yesterday
seem correspondent with today, today you awakened in another reality, altered by all to various degrees. Indeed,
your own dreaming contributed to the changes.
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aeschylus said on Sep 10, 2006....
Professor (TNP)
I agree with "reality is the consensus of consciousness influencing your present awakened period."
However, I would use the word "awareness" rather than "awakened" and drop the notion of having to be physically asleep to reach the "interdimensional" space.
Interesting idea for a space I guess. Hard to label an intangible accurately.
?? Each projected awareness contributes to to the common consensus of the perception of reality. ??
aeschylus
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RollingC said on Sep 10, 2006....
Please don't take this as a change of topic or trying to change or downsize the discussion you're all having (and which I'm enjoying so much) but it all boils down to faith. It's written in the Bible, if one had faith the size of a mustard seed, you could tell the mountain to move and jump into the sea and the mountain would do it.
Supposedly, we all have that power within us.
If we can do that to a mountain....what else can we do?
Time travel? hhmmmmm......
Probably that and more.....
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TheNakedProfessor said on Sep 11, 2006....
Well, I have this theory about sleep, and dreaming.
I feel a new post coming on...
Sleep is very mysterious even to science. No one
can completely explain why it feels so necessary and
so good.
Higher lifeforms seem to require it, desire it or do it.
Our dual existence in this world extends to a tangible
"Dreamspace" where light performs our thoughts.
Much reflection upon study pushes me to think there's
a connection between dreaming/psychic phenoms/quantum theory regarding Thought preceding Essence, and the
idea that we are creating reality as we go along.
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aeschylus said on Sep 11, 2006....
TNP said ...
I feel a new post coming on...
(aeschylus, tongue in cheek) ...
You get these feelings off and on, huh?
Is that emotional, psychological, or physical?
I have a friend you should meet Professor. Maybe he can give you the answers about this ...
http://demo.vhost.pandorabots.com/pandora/talk?botid=d5a9d6d49e35633f
aeschylus
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SithBorg said on Sep 24, 2006....
There is no doubt that Americans are creating reality as they go along.
And they are really about to pay for it.
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TheNakedProfessor said on Oct 01, 2006....
Thank you, and good night.
Forget religion: here is a link to "God" -
http://www.soulcast.com/The_Naked_Professor/
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digitaleyez said on Feb 15, 2007....
Of course time travel is possible. Are we not currently traveling in time? However, travelling to the past from our current dimension, or planes is not possible. What we can do is travel forward in time further than the amount of time used between deparure and re-arival of a journey into and back from a journey into time. Also, time travellers are among us. Although not all people are time travellers. Only certain types, or tribes of humans. Personally me, I am a Cosmic Human and very capable of time travel. It is my hope and goal to one day invent a time travelling vehicle, but thats a whole different blog. Ideas of which I will continue to post on. I don't intend on making a "UFO"., but an actual time travelling vehicle. If NASA ever hopes to launch manned travels into space they could only be possible by using a vehicle that travels faster than light, the governer of our sense of time as we currently know it. -
TheNakedProfessor said on Feb 16, 2007....
Yes, er, we'll be standing by for details.... -
Trinov said on May 04, 2008....
Hi, just came upon this, lots of good speculation, but we really don't have the tools to make this speculation worth very much, not yet.
You see my husband and I were 'checkerboarded' once around in time (as well as space). It was without inertia,ie no bumps, it was terrifying once we decided to recognize what was happening, and at one point, according to geographical information (there was a hotel on this part of the map for 50 years) we had been flipped back about 51 years when the hotel was being built. Why it happened to us, go know. But it has happened to others, in groups, of being sent back in time about one or more generations,( not to the dinosaurs though-at least no one came back to report this).
Our Rabbi ,who is a Kabbalist, said that time is a type of 'material' and that it can flow backwards in certain places on earth and he told us once of time being 'erased'. In the book"Immortality, Resurrection and the Age of the Universe, a Kabbalistic View, by Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan (a Kabbalist who did not make it back from one of his 'trips') he quotes another Kabbalist, from centuries ago, who said that the Creator put a whole civilization into a 'time -loop' as a punishment. -
TheNakedProfessor said on May 05, 2008....
Did you take any cell phone pics when you were flipped? Did your watches stop?Did you have time to purchase some oil stocks? -
Trinov said on May 06, 2008....
No, to all three, we were in denial until we saw that the hotel that was exactly there on the map, was only in the building stage. Then we had to believe it. We had already been flipped into darkness and another season, (it was in August in the afternoon) and we still hadn't believed it. And we are science fiction fans since birth.
It wasn't our greatest moment. But between believing in something theoretical and having it happen to you out of the blue, is a very big gap. So if you don't believe us I can't blame you--we were flipped about 12-15 times before we willing to admit it.
My main fear was being stuck in the 1950's. I hate the 1950's. And leaving our cats without parents. -
mehulv2005 said on Jun 19, 2008....
Thank you for posting on time travel
I enjoyed it
Regards,
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TheNakedProfessor said on Jun 21, 2008....
I'm glad.
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