kelly posted on May 25, 2009
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Here's another person besides Christopher Hitchens who had the nerve to give waterboarding a shot. I've never heard his radio show but I'm sure some of you will be familiar with him.
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D6fer said on May 25, 2009....
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D6fer said on May 25, 2009....
Kelly.....your vid didn't load....maybe this one would be better!
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kelly said on May 26, 2009....
Interesting. Off topic, but interesting. Waterboarding is still torture.But I will address one of clueless Liz Cheney's points. Yes, everything Cheney, Bush and Co. was done by the rules. That's because they wrote secret legal memos that "authorized" them to do whatever they wanted to do.Waterboarding is not effective at anything other than producing what the torturer wants to hear. Even if it was effective it is still inhumane and ghastly. While the Republicans are happy enough to carry on the tradition of our primitive past it is the rest of us who will bring humanity forward to a better place. And we won't be sacrificing our security either. -
D6fer said on May 27, 2009....
well its good to hear someone actually admit that this is something that we have always done.....most libs would have us believe that this is new....the only thing that is new is the turncoat attitude of the left.....truth be told....I wish they had not used these tactics....unless of course they prevented more American deaths....but there is no way of knowing that is there? -
stopmediabias said on May 28, 2009....
Kelly-First of all you are wrong on that last post because even the memos that President Obama released substantiated the fact our waterboarding brought very valuable information.
But look at this way in regards to waterboarding:
#1-Intent.
#2-The definition of torture.
1-To prove torture you have to prove it was a persons specific intention to torture. If it was our specific intention to torture people why waterboard? Why not chop off fingers? Why not use electricity?
2-We have to have a definition because there is a remedy for torture victims which is usually a sum of money. To prevent fraud there is a clear definition and this definition states in order to prove torture the actions have to rise to the level of extreme pain and suffering.
Our use of waterboarding with the monitoring of the detainees during the process, the fact the memos say our waterboarding causes no pain, the limits and safeguards pointed out in the memos shows it was not our intention and we certainly didn't cause extreme pain and suffering.
Can someone use waterboarding to inflict extreme pain and suffering? Yes. Did we? No.
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satanx said on May 29, 2009....
[[ 666 ]]
IF YOU TORTURE YOU ALSO WILL BE TORTURED.
MUSLIMS RELY ON TORTURE.
[[[ UPON DEATH VIRGINS AWAIT ]]
[[ 666 ]] TORTURE=DEATH
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stopmediabias said on May 29, 2009....
shut up idiot -
kelly said on May 30, 2009....
"First of all you are wrong on that last post because even the memos that President Obama released substantiated the fact our waterboarding brought very valuable information."Stop lying. -
stopmediabias said on May 31, 2009....
http://s3.amazonaws.com/propublica/assets/missing_memos/28OLCmemofinalredact30May05.pdf
Page 10.
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