• andora said on May 18, 2009....

  I guess you have a penchant for the rich fucks like Madoff
  
  at least he never lived in a trailer, begged for a low paying job, paid 35% of his wages for taxes or waited in an unemployment line. those like Bernie are going to find how wonderful that trailer park is after they get out of jail.
  
  anyone who poo poo's the lower class as this lower class gets fed upon by the upper class is doomed to walk a mile in their shoes
  
  enjoy your pink trailer cussane, I'm sure you will be decorating it with great taste
  

• andora said on May 18, 2009....

  maybe you are a successful capitalist who has created a well deserved disgust for the underclass
  
  and
  
  capitalism depends upon a lower class to keep the garbage and shit out of the streets, if everyone was like you cussane who would clean your toilets? who would join the military? who would sell their body for sex? without the impoverished there would be no one for the fortunate few to feed upon! bona petite
  

• Cussane said on May 18, 2009....

  Andorra,
   
  See you proved my point with 2 simple posts,
   
  1. i was born and raised in northern ireland during the height of the troubles, try being a catholic with a parent in the army during those times, dont give me the lower class bullshit, until you can only ride in catholic taxi's, live in catholic housing, have catholic friends and taken to school in a amoured police car,
   
  2. i have had many low paying jobs, even worked in a slaughter house when i got out of the army, oops there goes your second post,
   
  3,  no i have never lived in trailer, i did however live in edmonton when i decided to go back to med school at 35 so my kids would never have to live in some where like edmonton,
   
  4. so yes now i am a succesful capitalist but i did it, not the government, not the endless handouts, not the political correct, me, myself and I
   
  5. btw my current tax rate is 49% and my lowest ever was 29%, get off your fucking high horse, people are responsible for thier own destiny and people who keep making excuses are the problem
   
   
  Cussane

• andora said on May 18, 2009....

  yes it is ugly, to say the least
  
  proving a point is of course useless - I will just sign off as
  
  your friendly antagonist
  

• andora said on May 18, 2009....

  I agree with working as if it all depends upon me
  
  and i am doing my best to understand the underlying problems that lead to the reflection of apathy and debauchery that you were complaining about
  
   and I try not to blame the underclass or the upper class, however, when fortunate people use their good fortune to harangue others then u and i, buddy, share the same foibles of character. As for heartlessness, I am not in denial of my relative state of balance, nor am I thoroughly defensive about my foibles....it takes one to know one - human that is
  
  the crass class system in the US and other Western countries is a rigid and dehumanizing system that has people serving illusions of so-called normal vs abnormal, illusions of relative success. The issue I wish to highlight is that poverty makes the upper class a very shabby reality that refuses to take responsibility. of course you as an individual are not responsible, in fact you were able to better your circumstances, kudos
  
   Calvanism is a thoughtform that believes that wealthy people are God's chosen people who have the right expect the lower classes to get over it already.
  
  Demonizing one or the other class is a waste of time (yours and mine - but, we persist anyway), It is the dehumanizing ethic and economic structure of this present status quo that creates this reflection. To insist that the society is functional, while the streets are full of the impoverished is like whistling dixie on the Titanic. You are not my problem cusane, I had a knee jerk reaction to the rigid pattern that you were enforcing with your words. But hey, if you would rather i leave a smart ass short remark, then I could get back into knee jerk territory.
  

• Cussane said on May 18, 2009....

  The post had nothing to do with class's, it has everything to do with taking responsibility for yourself and not blaming others. there is no excuse to show up to a job interview dirty, i have had people come in for interviews in jeans but they werte clean and had showered. i had 1 guy show up ;ast week no shower, dirty clothes and his zipper down. when you dont get a job because of that it irks me when people try blaming everyone but themselves.
   
  my wife teaches abused women life skills and everyone of them had excuses for every thing, 1st thing they are told is that on day 1 excuses end. of the 30 some odd she has had go thru her program, all have done a hell of a lot better than when they came in
   
  Cussane
   
   

• andora said on May 19, 2009....

  I was the mother in a group of other mothers' whose children had been raped by their father, or in my case my daughter's stepfather.
  
  while in this group, more than 70% were considering going back to the abuser, regardless of his actions
  
  I got up and walked out of the room and never went back. I suppose, for me, this was an empowering moment when I decided to remove myself from that kind of willful ignorance. so yes, I completely understand your rancor for those who have lost the ability to be self-supporting productive members of society who protect their children.
  
  I have since refused to pick up hitch-hikers bc i picked one up who stunck! I pulled over and told him to get out bc i couldn't take the smell, I told him he should be considerate to those kind enough to pick him up by showering. I pointed at the beach shower behind him and drove off as he was cussing at me and calling me names. so, yes, i understand and please forgive me for the knee jerk bc i hate capitalism as a social structure, it might be an economic model but it is not humane or a humanist social structure.
  
  apathy comes from those poor souls who did everything by the rules and find themselves with not retirement funds, home or job...i suspect you will see a huge fall out of these types and i hardly blame them for losing heart in such an unfair situation.
  
  aloha
  

• doortoinsanity said on May 23, 2009....

  And I thought it was bad when they came in for a job illiterate.  At least the stakes are higher now.  hmmm.

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