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Back in 1984, I was a 23 year young man. I remember the first time I saw the movie Splash. I fell head over heals for Daryl Hannah. And I wasn't alone. She was so sweet, unassuming, innocent and beautiful, and very, very sexy. She was the 'kind of girl' that I had always wanted to find.
 
My feelings for her changed 3 years later when I saw her in Roxanne. Where had my sweet, beautiful, innocent sexy love gone? She'd become a somewhat cynical and self centered woman who couldn't see love right in front of her eyes. Now, don't get me wrong, I still thought she was a really good actress and I liked the movie, Steve Martin was hillarious. But my secret love affair with Daryl was over.
 
I still refer to that movie from time to time, with this person or that, because I've found that just about everyone in the world I talk to has seen it, and there are scenes that we can use to describe mutual life experiences and whatnot.
 
As I was sitting here flipping through the channels, I happen on Splash. It's the scene where she's sitting watching a western on tv, and crying that the actor gets shot. Tom Hanks explains to her what an actor is, and that he'll 'get shot on another show next week', and then gives her a gift. I watched that scene, watching how she expressed the emotion of an unassuming woman who never received one before, and I remembered how it had caused me to fall in love all those years ago.
 
And suddenly it occurred to me. Something I figured out a long time ago.
 
I hadn't actually fallen in love with Daryl Hannah, I don't even know Daryl Hannah. What I had fallen in love with was the character Maddison, a person some writer had invented to represent their idea of what a modern mermaid might be like.
 
I never really thought about it before, why I'd fallen in love with this woman, and then a few years later why I'd fallen out of love, but I understand it now.
 
I also understand that in allot of my relationships in the past, it has not been the actual person I fell in love with, it was the ideal I had made up for myself of who they were. Who I wanted them to be. I think that's maybe why I've had so many online relationships in my past, it's easier to hold that ideal when the person isn't actually a part of your every day life. I stopped doing that awhile ago, and won't have another.
 
I also stopped looking at people as one dimensional charactures like Maddison, stopped only seeing this or that part of them, their looks, their humor, their whatever it is that appealed to me, and ignoring the rest.
 
If I ever fall in love again, it's going to be with a woman who I see the whole package, the whole person, all the beauty and sensativity and flaws and love, all of it. I'm afraid that person is going to be hard to find, she'll have to be one very special lady. And I'm sure it'll take a long time before I see all of those things in her.
 
But I think the search just might be worth it.


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  • diabolicdame said on May 16, 2009....
    I also understand that in allot of my relationships in the past, it has not been the actual person I fell in love with, it was the ideal I had made up for myself of who they were.
     
    That happens so often and most of the time we dont realise until its too late! I wish people would stick this up on their walls and look at it everytime they like somebody.. so they know to differentiate between this and true like for the person. Sorry if I'm rambling but so many of my friends have seen heartbreak because of this!! All the best with your search
  • fragglesrock said on May 16, 2009....
    gheesh trav....it took you this long to figure that out????? that madison is not a REAL mermaid? ROFLMAO!!!!! sorry, couldn't help my sefl. i know, i know, i DID get what you are saying...falling in love with an idea of someone rather then the person themselves.  i miss the IDEA of rat bastard but not rat bastard himself...now i do have to chuckle and say...let's see how multi-dimesional you are the next time we're out somewhere and a waitress has a nice rack...bwahahaha. oh, i'm just cracking myself up today, i'm sorry it has to be at your expense, i must've taken a silly pill this morning. wait, nope, still haven't refilled my silly pills.
  • evil_twin said on May 16, 2009....
    I think a lot of people are guilty of doing this inadvertently. I know I am. I always fall in love with the idea of people, or what I think they're like, or I'm just plain in love with falling love. But I've learned too that sometimes even if someone doesn't live up to your ideal, the reality is actually better than the ideal I had cooked up. Sometimes you don't always get what you want, but you get what you need. And there is definite value to that. What I thought I wanted and what I actually needed are two different things. And I'm just lucky that I did find that in someone very special. Good luck with your search :-)

    -evil_twin LA
  • travelr712 said on May 16, 2009....
    well i just wish i woulda figured it out 15 years ago dia, i wouldn't have married my ex! thanks for the good wishes :-)
     
    oh no you di-un! i'm still laughing fraggs! i'll be one dimensional while i'm checkin out her keeboos too, but i still won't talk to them. what you got against waitresses, anyway?
  • cntlvmenuf said on May 16, 2009....
    This takes me back to high school when a female teacher told us there is a difference between the "ideal" man and a "real" man. And she warned us that most women go through life looking for that ideal man and trying to tailor the men we meet to conform to what that ideal man should be. Of course back then we all gave her blank looks, wondered what the heck she was talking about, we were young and stupid. Now I know EXACTLY what she meant. Guess there are somethings in life we have to live through in order to learn them.

    Been there with online relationships also....and am also going through the same thought process that you are about not going that route anymore. Only thing is if I can't meet people online what are my other feasible options that I haven't tried....and failed at? Maybe this is what not looking means. I dunno....but I got what you said.
  • diabolicdame said on May 16, 2009....
    evil_twin.. I love your spin on it! :-)
  • evil_twin said on May 16, 2009....
    Thanks Dia :-) The Rolling Stones actually used that idea in one of their songs.

    You can't always get what you want
    But if you try, sometimes you find
    You get what you need

    -evil_twin LA
  • travelr712 said on May 16, 2009....
    heya et, nice to see you, wish i could do that more often :-) there's allot to what you said here. fraggles and i are very different in the ways we see and deal with some things in life, complete opposite perspectives. and that's why i go to her with allot of stuff in my life, i know she's going to see it differently. i know she's going to be honest with me about how she sees things. and i know i'll see some things through her eyes that i can't through my own. not what i want, but what i need, right?
     
    i tried for YEARS to get that very thing across to my ex clv, that if she wanted the ideal man she kept trying to turn me into, she married the wrong guy! i don't think there's anything at all wrong with meeting someone online, as long as they live close enough to have 'real' times together on a regular basis. half the world it seems meets online these days, and ya gotta meet somewhere, ya know?. i was talking specifically about romances i've had in the past with women several states away, or in another country.
  • travelr712 said on May 16, 2009....

    for et :-)
  • evil_twin said on May 16, 2009....
    I agree that an online relationship is a lot different than one where you actually spend time together. Online, you don't have to live with all the quirks and real life things that could come up and not be what you thought or hoped it would be. But the same can also be said for when you meet someone in person too, and then you move in with them, and all the little day to day things aren't what you expected. Not that all of them are bad either, just not your 'ideal'. Sometimes you have to change your expectations a little if you ever want to be really happy with someone. Thank god Nat can look past her ideals, or else she wouldn't still be with me!

    Good song, btw. One of my fave Rolling Stones songs.

    -evil_twin LA
  • gingersoul said on May 16, 2009....
    Kyle.....i agree with you......we fall in love when we have a surplus of love and we subconsciously start looking for that person who might give us the outlet we need for expressing that surplus.
    So, as you say, we are always in love with the idea of being in love.
    And this is good. It makes us feel alive.

    We are perfectly happy being single and then......bam.....one day we listen to a song and sigh because we would like to have somebody to whom dedicate that song..
    And the search begins.
    But its not that obvious to us, yet...

    The ideal-idea of love is always sleeping in us.

    Its not that we go around with a ID picture of our perfect lover and look around until we have found somebody that is like the picture in that way they look, their attitude and ecct.

    Actually, many times it happens that we stump in somebody that for some reason "speaks" to us and we suddendly realize that what we speak the same language but what we found so attractive is not what we thought we were looking for, but what we really need to find in that moment.
    And we throw away that ideal picture...
    And we love that somebody even despite.
    Actually, some time we can even resist to loving somebody because the affinities are that scary.

    I know that i loved my ex husband despite so many things....so many that still now, after all these years, i can't even tell you exactly why.
    I know perfectly in what we were different...but i can't pinpoint with the same clarity the reasons why i have been so madly on love with him for so long.

    I had a picture in my wallet......i met him, despite the differences i fell in love because i needed what he was offering me ...and threw that ideal picture away.

    I think after each relationship we refine our ability to see though love better...we should know better, in a way, to the point that the differences might happen to outnumber the differences and the gap might be narrowed.
    Loving flaws, discrepancies, humanity and all.......:-)

    That Rolling Stones song is a good one...;-0
  • travelr712 said on May 16, 2009....
    it's the same kind of thing people call the 'dating personality' et. you put on your best behavior, try to be fun and interesting and enjoyable to be around. but the person is much different in their bathrobe and slippers. that's why i've always advocated living together before marriage, you need to know if you can live with bathrobe and slippers person as easily as fun and interesting person.
     
    i think you did a very good job of expounding on what i meant when i was talking about looking at people one dimensionally ginger. thank you :-)
  • Hegemone said on May 16, 2009....
    Well Trav, I think that's a very interesting realization you've come upon.  It's a good point, and I know you're not alone with those previous thoughts.  I know sometimes people go so far as to try to change their loved ones to their ideals because they can't admit defeat and the fact that they have faults and aren't the ideal person to be with, OR that they can't just accept another person for who they are and love them anyway.  It hurts to realize that and it's easier to continue on the path of the relationship with blinders on.  Taking those blinders off can be quite freeing and also it can open the world up to so many more possibilities if given the chance!  Great for you Trav, I hope that you do indeed find that special lady.
  • evil_twin said on May 16, 2009....
    Ginger, I really like what you said :-) And I know I've always had this overabundance of love that I wanted to give to someone. And I thought I always knew exactly what I was looking for. But it turns out that there's actually something even better than what I always wanted. Who knew?

    Trav, yeah, there is a definite dating personality and my challenge has been to allow someone to see the real me and not just that 'perfect' person I wanted them to see. Funny how sometimes a person ends up loving the real person more than the one you pretended to be...

    -evil_twin LA
  • travelr712 said on May 16, 2009....
    you're not her hege? awwwwwwww :-( (just kidding)
     
    who can measure up to someone who's perfect et? certainly not me :-)
  • queenparanoia said on May 16, 2009....

    i think you fell in love with her on this scene...

     

     

     

  • travelr712 said on May 16, 2009....
    nah, i fell in lust with her in that scene qpdoll :-)
  • speaking_up said on May 16, 2009....
    guilty.
  • MsStar39 said on May 17, 2009....
    No more online relationships, well dang it it SB.
  • MsStar39 said on May 17, 2009....
    Splash was one of my favorite movies travelr, I still love watching it
  • superbozo said on May 17, 2009....
    I have been coping just fine...not worried about it till now. Now you bring up what ideals I want and all of a sudden I kick myself for not looking hard enough. All of a sudden you ...YES YOU....made me think of love and now all of a sudden I miss it.
     
    lol.....not really.... but I have been thinking along these same lines not for me but some of the dates I've had seem to have a very clear idea of who I should be and what boxes they can tick next to my name. I get this from some of the questions they ask on the date. They're getting more and more like job interveiws. "Tell me about yourself?" my reply "what and ruin the you finding out about the real me" :)
     
    I even had a girl asked me if I owned my own house as she needed her partner to provide that security for her....She asumed that I owned mine. She hated it when I replied that if she wanted to own a house she should save a deposit and buy one like everyone else.
     
    I swear because I'm a single dad I think some of the girls I've gone out with for dates think I'm a S.N.A.G. They get a nasty shock when they realise I'm just a bloke. Much like most others (but much betterer), but then they haven't tried to go any deeper past my joking around. They tell me they want someone with a sence of humour but seem to think I should be all serious. I can't remember the last time I went out and just had a fun conversation with someone with no questions by them about what I want for the future. I dunno maybe I'm seeing hidden agendas that are not really there but the few dates I've had have put me off straight away. Maybe I'm getting to used to being alone.....there I go again it's your fault trav.
     
  • travelr712 said on May 17, 2009....
    i always watch it when it's on too msstar. i've always loved the ron howard / tom hanks collaborations (until the divinci code anyway)
     
    yeah, i bet that line about her buying a house ended the date pretty quick sb, huh? i've been around several women recently who have just such check lists. it's true that there are traits and events in potential relationships that i'd tend to shy away from, but a checklist makes me nervous, i've never been good at quizzes. it's like, they're looking for traits, not a man, and sooner or later i'm gonna fail one of the questions, ya know?
  • superbozo said on May 17, 2009....
    I had great fun after that....she didn't seem to be enjoying it as much as me lol. Those pesky checklists, Really off putting. Maybe thats where we're going wrong. Maybe we need to write out a list of traits that need to be complied with. I'm not sure there's a woman alive that could live up to some of the things I'm thinking....hell I don't think I could live up to my end of the bargin due to some of the things I'm thinking :)
     
     
  • travelr712 said on May 17, 2009....
    women don't usually like it when you're laughing at them, even when you're not being obvious about it :-D

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