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Now, I don't care that I have, that's not the point of this post. I've been blocked by several people on this site for this or that reason. Me? I only block spammers, because i don't allow unsolicited advertisement on my blog. I don't know those people, the value of what they're selling or how they do business, so I'm not going to lend my support and space to them when they do so unasked. I don't think that's unfair.
 
Recently, I've been blocked by two members here at SoulCast, and I'm going to recount my view of the situation here because, well, it's my blog and I feel like it.
 
The first is Alienated. I wrote that I thought he is a biggoted fool. Now, I don't think that's too harsh after taking his insults for more than a year, not the least of which is the recent statement that I am (to sum up) 'a liberal fool who 'god' laughs at'. A pretty harsh personal insult if you ask me. But you didn't, so I'll go on.
 
What I found comical about this situation is that we were discussing right and wrong, and free speech at the time. I don't care that Alienated blocked me, because most people know that he is a biggoted fool who is incapable of backing up his fanatically conservative viewpoint with any real facts. To Alienated, free speech is only afforded to those who agree with his viewpoint, so go ahead, block away.
 
The second, and a much more intricate situation, was HollyGoLightly. This type of situation continues to baffle me whenever I encounter it.
 
You see, a couple weeks ago, I was drinking beer, feeling fine, and blogging along late saturday night. I happened to be on one of Holly's posts when she started flirting with me. Well, I was in the mood for some harmless fun, so I flirted right back. I'll have to say that I wasn't anywhere near as graphic or overt as she was, but that's beside the point. I was still flirting.
 
As the conversation progressed, she suggested that we go private with it. Now there's where, in my somewhat inebreated state, I made a mistake. You see, I thought we were just becoming friends. I started telling her about my life and my past, she told me about her life and her past, I thought we were getting along just fine. Then I told her about a particular situation in my life. I noticed an abrupt change in her replies to me. I was a little confused at the time, and also quite sleepy, so I went to bed.
 
The next day as I was reflecting on what had happened, I came to the realization that we had crossed intentions. Holly was looking for a quick cyber roll in the hay, I was looking for a new friend. I tried to continue the conversation the next day in a friendly manor, but she was very reluctant to talk. I commented on this to her, and she said that she'd just had a very bad day. I offered her a listening ear, and told her allot of my friends appreciate telling me about their troubles. She thanked me, but said she was a 'private person' and didn't talk about personal issues openly. I thought this was rather odd, as I had read many of her posts and comments about the intimate, personal, and sexual details of her life and her mental health in public blogs where anyone in the world with a browser could see. But I said ok and left it at that. I figured, like I said, it was a case of crossed intentions gone wrong. I don't cyber with people I don't know. I've only done it a few times over my life, and that was after I'd known them very well for a long period of time. Apparantly, Holly didn't know that about me.
 
I was even more surprised to find the next day she had made comments to me calling me a 'slut' and a 'man whore', but I decided it must have been a joke, so I joked back with such things as 'don't tell anyone'. I don't really know why, but she made a very harsh personal statement about me that in the statement she said was 'raw and rude'. I commented that I didn't understand why she would do that, and appologised if I'd overstepped in some manor. This exchange went back and forth a few comments until it was obvious to me that she hadn't been joking, so I exited 'Hollyworld' without further comment. I found two days later, another 'tongue in cheek' poke at me, so I made a 'tongue and cheek' poke back, referencing a subject she had many times talked about on her posts and in comments in the past, and has brought up since. I was subsequently blocked with an accompanying and rather harsh comment, so I had no opportunity to further discuss the situation. I must confess, I was a bit confused and a little pissed about the whole thing at the time, so I put her comments that I found offensive in a post of my own, asking why people thought it was ok to say things like that to someone, and then take such great offense when something was said to them? I was greeted the next day with a very scathingly personal flame post from her, at which point I dropped the matter completely, until now.
 
I only bring it up at this point, well, first, because it makes me feel better to write these things out sometimes.
 
Second, to address the point of this post.
 
You see, one of the standards I try to live by, I can best relate with a quote from the bible. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I see this as having two integral parts. First, treat others the way you want to be treated. Second, and the result of doing that, people will pretty much treat you the way you treat them.
 
So here's my point. I did nothing to either of these people that they had not done to me numerous times before. That is how they showed me they wanted to be treated, so that is how I treated them.
 
Neither of them has been blocked from my blog, so they can actually come to this post and describe their viewpoint, vent about my treatment of them, or say whatever they wish, because I do believe in free speech, even when the speaker disagrees with me.
 
So that's my view on blocking. Not that it really matters to me. I just find that in these particular cases, it makes the people doing so seem immature and self centered, and I wanted to write about it.
 
How about you? have you been blocked? Was the person justified in doing so? Do you even care?


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  • uniquely-ironic said on May 11, 2009....
    Trav I question your need to justify why you were blocked.  If it truly means nothing, let it go.  This feels like you're airing your "dirty laundry" in public.  Of course you're welcome to, but it doesn't really serve a purpose and it speaks poorly of your ability to keep private conversations private.
  • secretlife said on May 11, 2009....
    you did alot more than talk about your views on blocking here no?
     
    i really like Alienated-  i might not agree with all of his views, but i like him-
    and holly?  i don't know her trav, but you've made the same mistake you've made with her more than once on this site.
     
    you want my opinion? 
    you're old enough to know better. 
    and for clarification- old enough to know better with the "i got drunk and did too much flirting, but she was after me too" thing-
    AND old enough to know better about putting up a post that surely looks to force sides- 
    this does nothing but make people feel bad.
     
     
  • angrybellylint said on May 11, 2009....
    Wow the bad comments just keep coming.  I've never been blocked on this site.  Probably cause I'm still a newbie....but not a newbie from other blog sites where I've been blocked simply because I've been expressing my opinion.  I think it's healthy to exercise free speech but it's not free speech if it's hurting someone else.

    You just wanted to have a friendly conversation and I see nothing wrong with that.
  • travelr712 said on May 11, 2009....
    all of these conversations were public uni or i wouldn't have mentioned them, except for some vague impressions i made to describe the progression as i saw it. but even then, it is a response to her very public post about me and things i had told her in private. the 'do unto others' thing again.
     
    I don't dislike alien either secret, and he has said many, many more harsh, rude and inciteful things publicly to and about me, but perhaps since you really like him and you don't like me much, those statements didn't make the same impression  on you as they did on me? As to putting up posts that surely look to force sides, isn't he the master of that? as to the 'number of mistakes' i've made here, that is far more the result of gosip than of truth. i see many, many people flirting all over this blog. i see public statements by married couples announce they are having illicit affairs through this blog. myself, i've had exactly 2 relationships with women on this site, and one of those started several months before either of us were members here. but for some reason, people seem to like to villify me, offer me up as some kind of 'wolfafterurazz' (oh, sorry, that name is already taken). mobil is one of the most blatent, overt flirtatious men i've ever seen on this site, and yet he's seen as a kindly old curmudgeon by many while i'm seen as some kind of threat. i do not have any problem with how mobil relates to people here, i consider him a friend, but he is a good example of how attitudes can be very inconsistant here. which is, after all, the point of this post, to have a discussion on this issue.
  • secretlife said on May 11, 2009....

    my opinion is this trav, and then i'm done-

    it's immature to put up this type of post.

    it sounds like you've been unjustly and harshly treated when i'm pretty sure that you're partially responsible for it at least.

    it's whiny.

    and it does not inspire either respect or trust.

    50 other "wrongs" don't make this "right".

     

  • cuppajava said on May 11, 2009....
    Hi Trav - whilst i understand and agree with the comments above - i also cannot blame you for doing what you did - but as Secret' said - you are oold enough to know better.
    When it comes to getting to know people on this site - i tend to be a little reserved at first for a long time,and people most of the time,can find out what they need to know about me from my posts.With regards to HGL - well - i must admit,at one stage i did start to think that she was an alt for someone else who was already on here,and they were testing the limits of the 'kiddies most popular list'.She even went as far as to do a post at how pissed off she was that Paper in Europe had knocked her off the top.I commented on that post - which was a huge mistake - i was then pretty much assassinated after that.So i dont know.
    It seems to me that people are here only to read the lives of others and not share,and they are no sooner at the top of the list,and then they are ....gone.Where ?
    Nobody knows.
    I have been blocked - by a serious nut job called Ownedgalbabs - who also had a 'nice' little alter ego called Ordinarylife.She got stuck into me properly in one of her posts.including using my real name,and all my personal details,which she had at hand,in the hope of discrediting me.She also had blocked me prior to this without telling me,so it meant i was unable to grace her post with a comment.My reaction? Ignore it and it will go away.It did for a while - off to go and listen to the little voices in her head that told her mysterious things,and to fantasise about this 'stalker' who was constantly after her.She did a post a couple of weeks later titled 'i'm back'
    She got 6 views,and no comments
    The moral of the story - dont let it get to you -if it was gonna be,it would have been by now.Its such a great pity that there are people on this site who are very false indeed
  • uniquely-ironic said on May 11, 2009....
    So when she suggested you go private you didn't?  My bad on that, but my point remains.  If she blocked you I don't think many people would have known or cared.  The fact that you've dragged this out to a very public forum actually makes it worse for YOU.  Your ego seems very bruised by what should not elicit more than a shrug (private) and a lack of any need to justify yourself.
  • travelr712 said on May 11, 2009....
    angry - just keep at it, sooner or later somebody will come along and block you :-)
     
    secret - well that was part of the discussion on alien's post, right and wrong. since he publically made this type of statement about me numerous times and i never once saw you say anything about it, i can only conclude that in his case, you consider the behavior to be right, but in my case, you consider the behavior to be wrong. i would have continued to discuss that issue with him on the post where it originated, but i was blocked and have no voice there. he, however, can still come here and voice any opinion of my treatment he wishes. i did at the beginning of the post show one of the comments i made that caused him to block me, i did not say that i had no responsibility in the situation. again, my purpose of this post, whatever you percieve it to be, is to have a discussion on some of the inconsistancies i see at sc, which i have. the fact that it afforded me the opportunity to post my views on the situation and make myself feel a little better about it is only a bonus :-) you are still able to come here and give me your opinion too. something he no longer affords to me, but again, i afford to him. but hey, it's up to you to choose your friends, and more power to you. :-)
     
    cj - well, those that know me know i am open, as honest as i can see to be, outspoken in my opinions, and make my own decisions as to what i think is right and wrong, and then act accordingly. not everyone agrees with me, which is fine. they're entitled to their opinion too. you're not the first person to suggest hgl is an alt, but i really don't know. over the years, i've come to see that many times, people who indulge in that type of sensationalism aren't being genuine in the motives and attitudes they present, it's sort of like 'reality blogging' if you will. they do and say what gets attention from 'shock value', but if you were to meet them in person, they're really nothing like they present themselves here. sometimes i run into people like that here, and am afforded an opportunity to sort of 'let them show their colors' so others can see what they're like and make a more informed decision.
     
    uni - the comments i put here about what she said were all on her public blog, except the one where she said she's a 'private person'. a few others were on the nature of that private conversation, not the content. to be specific, start with the sentence 'I started telling her about my life and my past'  and end with 'and didn't talk about personal issues openly'. the rest were public statements on her public blog. i don't think that constitutes 'airing dirty laundry in public'. i had no problem with anything she said to me in private.
     
    justify myself? well, i suppose i do that as much as anyone here.
     
    try to head off yet another unjust public allegation by a woman on this site that i am some sort of 'internet stalker praying on poor impressionable defenseless women in the back halls of sc', yeah, i'm doing that too.
     
    listening to the opinion you've given me here? intently! and that's my point, i invite them, those i posted about here, do not.
  • trav said on May 11, 2009....
    We'll get even. I hate them!
  • uniquely-ironic said on May 11, 2009....
    So what is it you're hoping to accomplish?  vindication of some sort?  I don't think you're likely to get it.  I don't think anyone who has done any significant amount of reading here could possibly see HGL as a victim and while I don't see you as a stalker, you have a history of poor judgement with regards to conversations you have with women.
     
    I don't understand what you're trying to accomplish, or even if it's accomplishable.
  • travelr712 said on May 11, 2009....
    oh hey look! i'm an alt :-) sounds just like me too, doesn't it?
     
    uni - well i often take on the obscure for benefits others don't understand in hopes of accomplishing something i won't understand myself until later, it's kinda a trademark of mine :-)
     
    you're right, i've had some misfortunate encounters here, just like everyone else on this site. i seem to be somewhat legendary for them, but as is always the case, the legend is much larger than the truth.
     
    i've also had the great fortune to become good friends with many wonderful men and women who know me well and trust me as much as anyone can in cyberspace, yourself included, so i guess that's worth a few cases of poor judgement.
  • fragglesrock said on May 11, 2009....

    (((((fraggles plugging ears)))))

    between ex-husband, ex-husband's new wife, work people and kids i'm striving to create a drama free zone, so i will say is....in answer to your question...no, i've never been blocked, at least not so far

  • travelr712 said on May 11, 2009....
    i can't imagine anyone blocking you fraggles, i don't see you on here as being confrontational. that's usually what it takes for someone to block you.
  • queenparanoia said on May 11, 2009....

    i told you to ignore people that doesnt deserve attention... but nooooooooooooooooooooo you wont listen to me....

    youre too honest with what you think and you dont use the edit button...

    and if you disagree with someone then it's more likely they block you because they dont like what you say about them. ive been blocked before. why? because someone attack me and i fought back.

    life in soulcast is like that.

    deal with it. move on and pass the beer... ;-)

  • travelr712 said on May 11, 2009....
    what'd you say qpdoll? sorry, i wasn't listening... :-P
  • queenparanoia said on May 11, 2009....
    i said pass the beer...
  • SlickNick said on May 11, 2009....
    Trav - I've known you for a long time and I'm trying to be objective. I don't begin to know or guess what was said privately between you and other people here at SC. All I see are the effects of whatever was said. All I want to tell you is please be careful about what you say and who you say it to. That is the bad thing about writing something and not saying it. You could say something jokingly in person and everyone would know its a joke just by your facial expression alone, but when something is written, the person reading it is free to take it as truth. I know we have exclaimation marks, question marks, and commas, but even those can be misunderstood.  You see a lot of the people that know you personally know your humor and can see the point you are trying to make, whereas those that don't might take a joke as literal. All I'm asking is that you just be careful. I believe in free speech and all but I think you could have gotten your point across without using names. Just seems like you might have stirred the pot a little in doing so.
  • travelr712 said on May 11, 2009....
    yeah qpdoll, i heard that part, here ya go :-)
     
    well nick, i've found people often don't understand why i do some of the things i do. i've gotten used to that.
  • speaking_up said on May 11, 2009....
    I am new here, almost brand new...and I've already been:
     
    1.  Blocked by alien (which, btw, i consider to be an honorable guesture brought on by my topping his poltical and religious arguments so easily). 
     
    2.  Singled out by someone in a brand new post, naming ME as the person they are chastising with rude comments.  ME!!!  I got my very own person posting about me!!  My crime?  I went into one of his or her posts, laid a little too much truth on the table...and wholla - got slapped in the comments by him or her, and then got posted for my infraction (of disagreeing).
     
    3.  Accused by two people (you may be one of them, Trav) of being some alt of some other person (you called me dia twice in another thread - I don't know if that was a mistake or...?).  Alien is the other one who accuses me of being some alt.
     
    Ah well.  I'm old enough to know not everyone is going to like me, and I am not going to like everyone.  The main thing is to keep your head held high and don't let the buggers get you down.  You are giving them way too much power, my friend.
     
    Oh, and I'm a lot like you...I put myself out there all too often sometimes...what goes on in this little head of mine often gets said out loud, and it gets me into trouble more often than I care to admit.  It's okay.  It makes you and me human.  Keep being who you are.  I like you.  And I see a lot of others do as well.  Focus on the ones who keep you up, not down.  *smiles*
  • travelr712 said on May 11, 2009....
    i just saw your comment on dia's post a minute ago speaking. i didn't mean to call you dia, i don't think you are. i do focus on my friends here, and i usually ignore things like this. this post wasn't about how i was treated, it was an exercise in human nature. hell, i'm surprised alien has any people left to comment on his blog that he hasn't blocked, and i don't know why it took him so long to block me. but i guess i'm not really surprised about how alien is, i once heard chuck swindall on a radio program telling all his listeners it was a good thing to be intollerant, of gays, of pro choicers, of people who didn't 'submit to god's will', and some people take that sort of thing to heart.
     
    anyway, thanks for saying you like me. i like you too (and that wasn't me flirting)
  • RollingC said on May 12, 2009....
    Yes I've been blocked.   Two (2) times actually and you know what? Can't remember why and vaguely remember the blockers.  I didn't like it at first but I got over it quickly enough. 
    I see no need to block anyone unless they are very insulting.  Just disagreeing with your point of view or opinion on something is not a good enough reason to block I think.
    My humble opinion.
    Rc
     
     
  • travelr712 said on May 12, 2009....
    well, i don't think it's a good enough reason either rc, that's why i don't do it. but not everyone sees it that way, and it's their blogs, they can do what they want. believe it or not, i really don't care that they did. i can understand that the way i wrote this post, it seems like i do, but i don't. it was just some really good examples of how people can treat someone else in a particular manor, and then object to the point of cutting off all comunication when they are treated that way in kind. again, a study in human nature in my own method. i also hadn't seen anything on the attitudes of blocking in quite some time, so i thought i could get some opinions from others about it.
  • Hegemone said on May 12, 2009....
    Ah hell, I'll jump on this boat.  No, I don't think I have ever been blocked, and if I have, it wasn't to my knowledge so does it really count?  Generally you probably have to have some sort of altercation with somebody before getting yourself blocked ... and I haven't had any like that.  Now, I have blocked people ... but generally they're the shameless spammers that you mentioned yourself.

    Trav, I do have to ask though, are you sure it's really over with and that you're past this?  Most people who are completely past something won't bring it up again.  So, whether you're past it or not, take this as a friendly compliment, at least Trav, for your own sanity, make sure you ARE past this and not just saying it so you can convince yourself, OK?

    As far as blocking in general, hey, to each their own.  It just closes a person's mind to alternate ideas and feelings, and sometimes that's better, but sometimes its not.  For instance, I'm not going to block somebody just for disagreeing with me ... I AM going to block somebody for disagreeing with me and turning it into a personal attack on matters that are not involved with what we were initially discussing.  That's a pitiful discussion tactic and I don't put up with it.  For every idiot out there who will insult you while they disagree there are ten more who can talk about it and keep their emotions in check.  Open minds are required though, and then beyond that there are different levels of openness, I think.  As I mentioned, I'm pretty open minded, I haven't even blocked the recent shit disturbers moving through the site (jul, for instance).  Make an out of line personal attack however, and your ass is blocked.
  • speaking_up said on May 12, 2009....
    I was too new in here to think being blocked by someone mattered.  Guess it is a big deal to some. 
     
    I forgot, I have blocked one person, but he came into my post, a sensitive topic, and just ripped the hell out of me for no good reason - it felt like cyber abuse.
     
    I agree with blocking abusive commenters completely.  I think blocking someone because they disagree with your viewpoint is a childish reaction.
  • travelr712 said on May 12, 2009....
    hege - yeah, i'm past it. it never bothered me in the first place. the point of this post isn't about me feeling slighted, or unjustly treated, or any particular way at all. the point is about how some people are very inconsistant with their behavior to use generic terminology. javadewd has made some pretty harsh comments about me on the political blogs and we're friends. the reason is, because he doesn't react this way when i return in kind. i don't mind people slinging mud my way, god knows i deserve it in some cases. but if someone is gonna sling it repeatedly, and i sling a little back (the treating them as they showed me they wanted to be treated) they should be able to take it. i read allot of your and many other people's posts where you lay out behavior from other people that you don't understand or find inconsistant, which is one reason people use this site. i just happened to do it about two people who are members here instead of people that aren't.
     
    speaking - it's not a deal at all to me. they can block who they want. but you did pretty much get my point, i was posting about some people who were having a very childish reaction.
  • silverwhisper said on May 12, 2009....
    trav, you have mail.
  • starchini said on May 12, 2009....
    Oh yes ive been blocked...many times...and im nice!  People are nuts. 
  • travelr712 said on May 12, 2009....
    silver - read it :-)
     
    star - yep you are nice :-)
  • crybabylu said on May 12, 2009....
    I've been blocked a couple of times and each time, I couldn't figure out why, but I just had to let it go.  I can't imagine anyone blocking you trav.  To me, you are very congeniel.
  • travelr712 said on May 12, 2009....
    well cry, people do what they do for their own reasons, just like me. i'm really not all that nice a guy, just ask fraggles or qpdoll :-) i'm congeniel to you because you are congeniel to me. it's as simple as that.
  • bhalah said on May 13, 2009....
    pity i do not understand absolutely everything the people said here, plus my computer dont tralate sametimes, dont know way, maiby bloked you ..., hope not, but i think it insteresting discover you, however is not my intetion to have same sort of personal contact,  im sure you are an interesting person to know, bye.
  • travelr712 said on May 13, 2009....
    well, some people think i'm interesting, some people think i'm boring and some people think i'm just a jackass bhalah, guess it's about the same for anyone.
  • alabamagirl said on May 13, 2009....
    Wow, so much drama, kinda like real life.  I'm pretty new here, don't have many post, haven't commented that much, so no, haven't been blocked yet.  I wouldn't take it personally.  Unless I had been here for a long time and felt like I was really friends with the person who blocked me, then maybe it would bother me a little.  
  • travelr712 said on May 13, 2009....
    yep, doesn't happen here very often, but it still happens.
  • ipmat said on May 13, 2009....
    ouch ouch ouch when you point fingers at someone there is always a minimum of two pointing back at you.
    question does it bother you .......????
    life goes on ... as long as it does not get personal  let the travs show go on  an on
  • travelr712 said on May 13, 2009....
    if confrontation bothered me ipmat, i wouldn't have written this post.
  • speaking_up said on May 14, 2009....
    Okay, first, Trav...you and I both know some of the confrontational comments in here bother you.  They bother me, and I am not the blogger!  I like your honesty in the posting, I believe in people who are capable of opening up, and believe you have a lot more going for you than those who sit in the sidelines, judging and pinpointing you - for your open words.
     
    I hope you never change.  I hope you never let the buggers win. 
     
    I hope for the same for myself.
     
    But, for some reason I am still really (no really!) not bothered that I am new, and was blocked within the first couple of weeks by someone who takes exception to my views.  It feels GREAT to really not be bothered.
     
    I love soulcast, I love the name of it, and take the idea of it all very seriously.  I feel safe, even among a bunch of really mean commentors sometimes.
     
    I don't feel so safe opening myself up outside of soulcast, however (another admission I wish I would not make...but I'm going to hit the 'submit comment' button anyway).
  • mOOn_platOOn said on May 15, 2009....

    O

    Me? Blocked?

    I was completely unaware of this post's contents until now. Because of my recent encounter with VolleyGoFlighty and her blocking of me and her alts' labeling me EVIL (see my current post) I was curious. And behold!

    I, too, have been blocked by these - two!

    trav, I believe we must be soulmates (see diabolicdame)

    O

  • travelr712 said on May 15, 2009....
    speaking - you know, i used to get really upset by some of the comments that were made to me here, but i figured out over a year ago that it's silly for me to get upset over what some anonymous screen name who doesn't know me says. quite often, as was the case with the exchange between mr. box and myself, they are just trying to get a reaction for this or that purpose, and not honestly entering into an exchange of ideas. then they put your comments into the worst possible context to try and make you look foolish and themselves look superior, such as taking a comment intended as respect and calling it fear. some people find that game fun in this type of forum, but i don't, so i don't play.
     
    i guess sometimes the comments i make can be seen as me being upset or hostile, but they're not my intention or my reaction at the time. i tend to put things in a very analytical style (which i'm sure everyone knows), especially in a conflict situation, and people can have a tendancy to read emotions into them that are not there. that is not a good, bad, or indifferent trait, it is simply human nature.
     
    and no, i won't ever change. i am who i am. some people like that, some people don't, some people see it as silly, or obsessive, or any number of other things, but that comes mostly from their own outlook on life. as i said in my self-esteem post, i gave up long ago letting other people's opinions tell me who i am.
     
    thank you for saying i have allot going for me, i take that as quite a compliment. i don't know you well yet, but i hope i get the chance to know you better. you seem like a kind, sincere, open and funny person, and i like people like that :-)
  • travelr712 said on May 15, 2009....
    soulmates? perhaps moon. we do have one thing in common, holly has blocked us both for a hostile exchange she instigated. but such is life at soulcast sometimes. just remember, she blocked me first, so neener neener neener! :-P
  • speaking_up said on May 16, 2009....
    *hugs*  Yes, sometimes the things we write will be interpreted completely "off" what we are really feeling.  It has to do with the mood of the reader, in a lot of cases.  In most cases.  But, without emotions, facial expressions, body language, text has a way of keeping things so literal it is important to not read into something unless we are sure.  When I see something I perceive as a 'slight' - but there can be some doubt, I just ask the person, directly.  More often than not I was wrong about the interpretation I made.
     
    I have to go write a blog right now...a day in the life of a lowly cashier...pretty upset so it's hard to respond to comments directed at me right now.  My energy is depleted after a drama I suffered at work yesterday.
     
    PS, it seems we are in good company being blocked by Alien...YEE HA!
  • travelr712 said on May 16, 2009....
    i find that to be true all too often myself speaking. it's funny sometimes that people are convinced that i have this or that emotion about what i've written because it's what was envoked in them, and think i'm either lying or fooling myself when i say i don't. i even go to great lengths sometimes to explain my perspective and motivation, and they just sorta shake their head at me and say i'm overexplaining to hide the emotion. but i do like you said here, if i don't understand something, i go ask, i try not to just assume. i also think it's kinda odd how many people have seen this post as an attempt to 'flame' holly, and completely ignore the fact that she wasn't the only one i talked about, nor was she the first one i brought up, and all i was actually talking about was behavioral traits. but like you said, people read what they want to read. (it was kinda funny, when i was talking about it to a friend, they said 'oh, well, yeah, i thought you coulda done a much better job of flaming her... :-)
     
    sorry you had a bad day :-( if it was from something that happened at work, it always bugged me how much abuse cashers have to take cause they're the ones the public deals with, and how little they get paid to do it.
  • javadewd said on May 16, 2009....
    I got blocked by bloc, after I trashed his argument he deleted all my shit. He claims that I called him a child molester, but what really happened was that I posted a picture of some young punk and claimed that I found it on Google Images under the search of "molests small children and puppies." I found it hard to believe the picture was of him, mainly because he claimed on many posts/comments to be some refined 40-something with two kids. The picture I found was of some 20-something redneck punk smoking a fag and drinking bottled beer. Oh, well. People shouldn't be so quick to surrender their personal sovereignty like that...

    Trav, I was there when ALIENated blocked you, and quite honestly, you had it coming... Much like Jodie Foster drunk bending over the pool table with no underwear flirting with horny idiopathic rednecks sort of had it coming... He didn't care for the personal attack. Although, I didn't get the memo either that some rule of that sort had been established... I just said, "You're post, dude" and walked the fuck away. Some people just like their space...

    I think I blocked bloc and pieteropie, just because these guys take one-liner pot-shots at my posts and don't pack a lunch. I hate inconsiderate assholes who simply marginalize my thoughts by simply saying "you're an idiot." That would be like me doing an impression of Ron White and just saying "fuck you!" If that's all it took to end a debate, this world would be ruled by douche bags.

    Let me as sarcastically as your fearless leader says it say, "...let me just remind them that I am happy to have a serious conversation about [practically any topic]..." Even your bloviating torturing of terrorists debate, but never forget that at least one of us can be wrong and simply marginalizing or blocking me doesn't win the debate.
  • travelr712 said on May 16, 2009....
    well my point isn't about whether i deserved to be blocked or not. in alien's case, yeah, i said he was a biggoted fool, just like i wrote in the body of this post. but as you've also seen, he's had a whole lot more to say about his impression of my character. my point about both people i wrote about here is that they are guilty of exhibiting the same behavior they blocked me for, and repeatedly exhibited it before i reciprocated. which is pretty much what you've said in this comment. i don't have a problem with debating, i do it often, just ask fraggles and qpdoll. i do have a problem with people that use personal slurs during that debate, and then getting bent when i reciprocate. so i wrote about it :-)
     
    btw, love the quote. who's my 'fearless leader'?
  • speaking_up said on May 16, 2009....
    who is this holly?  i must find her to see how she could be so insane as to block trav...as for alien, I understand the psychology...being the victim of his boot as well.
     
    And, as I said, we are WAY better off, friend.
  • javadewd said on May 16, 2009....
    Man, I'd love to see ALIENated's blocked list now. It probably reads like a hall of fame or something. Nah, I was talking about bloc's fearless leader : Barack Hussein Obama. That quote was what BO said to the tea party participants in Missouri. Of course, he's full of shit, but it sounded good off the teleprompter.

    Calling somebody a bigot is pretty rough, but if you were making a point, I would have backed it up just a bit. In a shot like that, you only get one chance...
  • travelr712 said on May 16, 2009....
    well holly can definately be 'enter at your own risk', but then again, so can i speaking. alien, he just hates everyone, being christian and all... :-P
     
    well, that would mean that i actually cared if alien blocked me jd, as i said, i'm really surprised it's taken him this long. oh, and he's called me a liberal piece of shit more than once, even tho i'm not a liberal. that was just an fyi.
  • javadewd said on May 16, 2009....
    I called you a piece of shit liberal more than once as I recall, too. I forgot the circumstance in which you really tripped my trigger, but it was a doozy, I'm sure! I think it was on one of ALIENated's posts, too, as I recall....
  • travelr712 said on May 16, 2009....
    yes, you did. doesn't bother me either. you're smart, and you get my point quicker than most, so i enjoy sparring with you. but i understand that's all it is, just debating on a political debate blog. you're pretty civil otherwise. and i'm still not a liberal.
  • javadewd said on May 16, 2009....
    Nah, I think you ought to post about your complaints about the Bush administration. I thought they were pretty valid, and I'd figure D6, SMB and maybe even ALIENated would have to do some research before they could stake an opinion... I think it would be quite fun, actually! I didn't look too deep into the stuff at the time, and I find it more valid than this torture shit anyway...
  • mOOn_platOOn said on May 18, 2009....

    O

    What the - ? - Reasonable dialogue, varied points of view and opposing opinions without name-calling?

    I must have reawakened in my alternate universe.

    O

  • doodlebug2u said on May 20, 2009....
    still stalking the females of soulcast iiiiiiiiiiii see 
    you are not to be trusted in any fashion other than to be the same 50 year old perv who uses the net to masturbate his ego and abuse females while stalking them online

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