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Queenparanoia and I were chatting today, and the subject of jealousy came up. In that conversation, I related to her that I was a little jealous of everyone, including her, who was able to garner attention. Now, I know that may sound like I'm shallow from only those few sentences, so please, hear me out. As a long time student of human nature, academically through four separate colleges, many years of personal research, and vast personal experience and experimentation, I can confidently say that everyone, no matter who they are or how they respond to the subject, desires attention. I am no different.
 
For many years in my past, I was intensely jealous of any attention another person attained. Several years ago, I had to face the fact that it was generated from my own internal conflicts and lack of self esteem. When I finally acknowledged this harmful trait in myself, I was able to let go of this jealousy, and genuinely appreciate the successes and attention obtained by others. But not completely.
 
You see, as I related to qpdoll, a little jealousy can be a good thing. It causes me to strive to connect with other people. It causes me to try and excell in what I do, because I enjoy the praise from others of my accomplishments. It causes me to continue to seek, continue to strive, continue to learn, continue to connect, not because I begrudge others attention or success, but because I desire recognition myself.
 
A little jealousy, as long as it does not consume a person, is a good thing I think.
 
What about you? Is jealousy good or bad? Are you a jealous person?


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  • cuppajava said on May 10, 2009....
    I dont consider myself a jealous person at all.I do however believe that the level of jealousy one has,can irreversibly change the character of that person, and how others percieve them - or is that answering a question with a question?
  • Lucytorial said on May 10, 2009....
    hm jealousy... I'm not sure thats the right word for me.
     
    Envy perhaps? but then I don't judge myself against others yet I know what you are saying.  And I agree to an extent Trav.  Jealousy though has conotations that you covet things... there is a dfference between desiring your voice to be heard and coveting those who's voices are heard.
  • beyondtheveil said on May 10, 2009....
    I'm agreeing with lucy.

    I envy quite a few, and I think it helps me in many ways.
  • travelr712 said on May 10, 2009....
    well, you all bring up good points. i know human languages are woefully inadequate of transferring the subtleties of ideas sometimes, and i thought maybe the word 'envy' would be more fitting than 'jealousy'. so i looked up the definitions.
     
    envy:
     
    Chagrin, mortification, discontent, or uneasiness at the sight of another's excellence or good fortune, accompanied with some degree of hatred and a desire to possess equal advantages; malicious grudging
     
    jealousy:
     
    negative thoughts and feelings of insecurity, fear, and anxiety over an anticipated loss of something that the person values, such as a relationship, friendship, or love.
     
    i guess envy is a little more geared toward others and jealousy is more self oriented. they seem somewhat interchangible to me tho.
  • diabolicdame said on May 10, 2009....
    A little bit of jealousy or envy or whatever is good I think... keeps you on your toes!
  • speaking_up said on May 10, 2009....
    I can't honestly say I am jealous of anyone...nor do I envy anyone.  If I do, it is at the lower end of the envy scale.  I know we all have ups and downs...and if you happen to be up right now, you go girl.  Soon my time will come around again.
     
    but I dunno,
     
    i'd like to be a fly on the wall in a conversation between someone named queenparania and someone named jealousy. 
     
  • beyondtheveil said on May 10, 2009....
    trav- Well crap, I should have looked up envy. Somehow I don't associate envy the way the dictionary tells it. I feel envy meaning a desire to have what others have which fits with only three words in the definition which are 'desire to possess'.

    The desire to possess what others have has been a teacher for me because I was able to look at it from several perspectives, a couple of which were 'change yourself,  work for it, or admire them'.

    The definition of jealousy almost seems light by comparison although in extremes might be equal in bad taste. My mistake.
  • speaking_up said on May 10, 2009....
    Sorry, I mixed up your title, trav...thought your subject was person called jealously...my bad
  • travelr712 said on May 10, 2009....
    you summed up what i was trying to say very well dia :-)
     
    that's ok speaking, i often confuse people :-P and i'd like to be a fly on the wall of many conversations!
     
    no harm done btv. connotations of words in english are very dynamic, even from region to region. i was having a similar difficulty trying to explain my meaning to qpdoll, and we were web caming at the time. i only looked up the definitions because when those connotations are mistaken, i like to go back to the formal definition, because it's the standard by which we all agree to interpret a particular word. the jealousy definition also had 'green eyed monster' as one of it's iterations, which has much more malevolent implications than the one i provided here. it also had one that used envy in the definition. the english language sucks sometimes. i wonder how people 100 years from now will interpret the phrase 'chocolaty fix'?
  • speaking_up said on May 10, 2009....
    I recant...I'm jealous of behind the veils soul cast name...
  • travelr712 said on May 10, 2009....
    you'd be surprised how many people think it's actually behind th evil ;-)
  • gingersoul said on May 10, 2009....
    Ms Star post here

    Traveler.......MsStar posted about the same topic then days ago......it must be the Spring...;-p

    Btw...my comment is there....i am too lazy to re-type it again...

    My opinion didn't change one iota from that one....jealousy is good!....:-)

  • travelr712 said on May 10, 2009....
    i agree, as you could see, ginger :-)
  • uniquely-ironic said on May 10, 2009....
    my own take on jealousy is that if it's used to motivate someone to do better it's okay, but if it becomes an obstacle or becomes fixated on someone else, it's a bad thing.
  • travelr712 said on May 10, 2009....
    that seems to be more or less the concensus uni, sounds like i'm not off base with the way i think about it.
  • queenparanoia said on May 10, 2009....

    :-P

    well can't help it if i'm cute and more popular than you...

  • travelr712 said on May 10, 2009....
    wouldn't have it any other way qpdoll :-)
  • Hegemone said on May 10, 2009....
    As to whether I'm jealous in general, it really depends on the scenario.  I think over all, I'm not completely jealous by any means, as I'm usually just indifferent.  Do I think jealous is a good thing?  In small amounts yes, because as you've said, it can be motivational for various things, and if a person works hard to achieve various milestones or whatever, then they deserve the recognition that the small amount of jealousy brought on.  Too much jealousy becomes consuming and you stop living for yourself, only for others because that's all you pay attention to ... what THEY have and what you THINK you need, not what you really need.
  • Lioness said on May 10, 2009....
    I enjoyed reading this post and the comments. I am not a jealous person mr. trav. I have seen the worse effects of jealousy, it ruins a good relationship. 
  • fromtheheart said on May 10, 2009....
    I was jealous before - that was when I was not confident enough with myself. Now - I am sometimes but in a healthier way..
  • travelr712 said on May 10, 2009....
    we do tend to THINK we need more than we really need sometimes, don't we hege?
     
    thanks ss ss, i enjoyed writing it :-) and yes, jealousy can be an ugly green monster
     
    jealousy is like chocolate fth, too much is a bad thing
  • crybabylu said on May 10, 2009....

    This reminds me of a part of papajack's sermon where he was comparing two different types of envy.  The kind that wants recognition, and the kind that begrudges others getting recognition.  The latter being the worst kind.  I think envy and jealousy are related in that way.

    I was taught while growing up, that it was wrong to do either.  So, I can say, I don't do either, however, I do think it is possible to do so in a healthy way, such as you mentioned.

  • RollingC said on May 10, 2009....
    I think that both emotions are part of the human equation.  How you control them or let them control you defines who and what you are or want to be.
    There's a little bit of envy (and I think more than jealousy) and jealousy in everyone and it starts at an early age such as wanting the toys that other children have for your own and if there's only one such toy at that particular time,  then you want the other kid to be the have not,  etc.
    Rc
  • Edriisxe said on May 11, 2009....
    Jealousy is never a good thing. A person should never be jealous of someone else just because they hold something you wish to attain. Now, me telling you this, I can come out and say that I am a jealous person. I have been deeply in love with a guy for about 5-6years almost and he is in the arms of another girl. Yeah, I should get over this, but I have a low self esteem, which only adds to the jealousy. She's not the best looking, but everyone is unique. According to my mind, I wish to be as beautiful as her and as smart and talented as her only to get him into my arms. Me and him are and will always be the best of friends, regardless of her presence.
     
    *sniff* But anyway, no one should be jealous. Everyone should be glad for what they already have. Sometimes, when you want something and you get it, you find out it's either not meant for you, or you become a greedy person. Still, jealousy is hard to overcome. It's usually a feeling you just can't help. But one way I try getting over my jealousy, and it sometimes works depending on my dedication, is I remind myself that the girl my best friend is with is no more beautiful than I am. I remind myself that the future holds a mystery and since I can't predict it, I shoudn't try to write it.
     
    I remind myself of the many truths about the predicament and continue with myself. I still hang out with him and we are growing closer everyday together more than ever. He is the only person I feel comfortable around in my own skin. I don't feel that source of self esteem. I feel completely confident and beautiful around him. At the same time, he knows how much I love him, but he tells me that he is happy with her. And I've learned to respect that. I can't change him or his decisions. Time can only tell.
  • starchini said on May 11, 2009....

    Im a jealous person, but I think what your talking about isnt what I would call jealousy, more like envy...Im jealous of people that I think are better than me in whatever area...Its not for attention.  Im jealous of the 5'4 latina brunette with the measurement of 34-24-38...Im jealous of her bc she has the bod that I want.  But I dont consider myself to be an attention seeker.  My dad likes to call that "Working for pats on the back".  People who do things not for themselves or their own gratification but only for "pats on the back" people who thrive from others telling them they did well and not from knowing they did well without someone having to tell them...

    The new guy at work will do something asked of him and instead of just doing it and moving on, he will bring out the project and be like "look what i did, its perfect"...Well, thats asking for "a pat on the back" for doing your job...most employers consider that obnoxious and something that should "go without saying" sort of thing...I do my job and many of my accomplishments i recieve no recognition for, and i dont expect it, its my job.  It goes without saying for me to do what im asked to do. 

    I  think the only time I ever make a fuss over what i do at work is when its something that is waaay above and beyond my job description, something im not supose to do.  Then i rub it in their face not for recognition but to let them know that they are not doing their job. 

    Anywhoo, i spose jealousy, envy, and pats on the back, all kinda go hand in hand.  But apply in many different areas and mean different things under different circumstances.  Some actions could be considered attention seeking, others could be considered needing recognition, and some are justified to make a point...

    Interesting thought  though ...  Im not sure exactly where i fall under all those sorts of circumstances.  I like to think that it is a very "normal" amount. 

    I agree with you its always nice to recieve recognition for a job well done.  But i think its a bit obnoxious when people purposely go out and look for it. 

  • travelr712 said on May 11, 2009....
    i agree cry, begrudging others is the worst kind as it can lead to all manor of horrible action.
     
    i agree that everyone has it to some extent rc, and it's what one does with those emotions that matters.
     
    hmm, seems like a huge risk of a broken heart to me edrii, but you gotta follow your heart i guess.
     
    well i'm not the type that even asks for any praise star, i just do my job. but i've been in several jobs where the only thing i heard about was when i'd make a mistake and get slammed. i never heard about anything good i did, no matter how far above and beyond i went. a little recognition for a job well done helps keep people happy, so it's important to do it sometimes i think.
  • fragglesrock said on May 11, 2009....
    i have my moments of jealousy but i try not to let it control me. 
  • bhalah said on May 11, 2009....

     those said im jealous, im envy,  make me feel descasting, no one said enything to Lioness, or Edriisxe, whom I think, was the most reazonable answear, you dont know haw bad can do jeleaus, or envy people? did you ever hade thouse tipes of insecurity people, working whit you? creating whit you?, telling you are the best frends? and what abaut behaind , ufter, they do discasting, they can be bad, destroy others lifes, just way? ohhh becouse make me go on things others have??, people are chiquis, they think all is able to do, all they can have, all they can faith for, no mather who is die on the way...no, no and noo, you are not able to do what you fuking want, just becuse like a child  want they toy, and want and want... me too, i want to live in peace, i want to have frends, i want to fell i can trust eny fucking one, theres NOT, blady jeleaus, blady envys I said, I can not said im not jeleaus,because i am realy whit a partener, for example,  but i dont know what is envy, honestly, sound naif, probably, because the people think is normal to be envy, wy not? who cares?, well a litle bit, isent bad, no?, as Edrissxe said we have to work, into things what we have, foud what we need, trying to do not to much dust, and feel hapy as much we can, is not isie to be hapy, whithout love, work, health, many, frends, family, food, water, or trees, but,even whit all of those things, the people think is normal to envy, ja! live and let others live, and things will  be isier for all. Dont understand wy the people make all so complicate, when everything coul be much more isier. bah!..

  • travelr712 said on May 11, 2009....
    well since i know you irl fraggles, i know you're not jealous very often, or very long, you're one of them most giving people i know.
     
    i agree bhalah live and let live. i hope you don't mind my asking, but what country are you from? i enjoy reading people translating their native language into english, it gives me insights as to how people of other cultures think.
  • Edriisxe said on May 11, 2009....
    Travelr, I agree and ask the same question towards bhalah. I had a hard time understanding. I tried reading the insight he/she has towards my responce, but had difficulty. Sorry =[
  • travelr712 said on May 11, 2009....
    i believe what bhalah was referencing from your comment edrii was the 'everyone should be glad for what they have, sometimes when you get something you find out it wasn't meant for you'. correct me if i'm wrong bhalah.
  • ipmat said on May 11, 2009....
    why cant you be content that would solve the problem 
  • travelr712 said on May 11, 2009....
    i see a short step from content to complacency ipmat. i'm not unhappy with what i have and what i've accomplished, but i use the emotion of jealousy that all humans posess constructively to push myself, and not others.
  • Edriisxe said on May 12, 2009....
    It's hard to be content, ipmat. There is always going to be something you see in someone else that you wish you had, no matter who you are or who you admit it too. Now, every time you admire a trait or object from someone else, doesn't always make it jealousy. Sometimes emotions can excel(sp) to envy or can be as small as a wish. There are people who are more content than others. They appreciate what they have as soon as the spark of jealousy shines, thus turning away from it. Which is great. But some people don't have that kind of determination, knowledge, or dicipline to remind themselves that. Obviously everyone is different, so no one can get over jealousy one way. Some people have to go through a whole life lesson just to learn a simple thing.
  • bhalah said on May 12, 2009....
    hi,Trav, you are rigth, is what i wanted to said.
     
    Abaut, my english I know is terrible, but is like i get a limit and imposible, go far from, and is the way I express in english, sory, is not good.
     
    Also want to thank you, you are the first person in this blog or page, ask me for a question directely to me, make me hapy you know?, becouse is long time i coming to this page,  like i come and go, imagine that i arrive here, when i was living in a caravan, along in the midl of no where, whithout light and water, for example, and now im in a house whit a 20 month litle person, just thinking what i would do to give her to eat, oh, yes i mees my caravan, but she is to suit, to chanche for , so i think was in 2004, or 5 dont remember, well not important, just that you are the first person repare on me, thanks
     
    Ok, what else, budist said whithout pain we dont groing up, is a pity, as a human beens we need to sufer, but when you realise is true, maybe you grow a bit more, and is good ené? where i can from? from same planet all of us we are, from this marvellous earth,  to defecault to have the concence of looking ufter, just a 100 metros from the beach, whithout love, whithout many, whithout job, whithout frends and family, but whit her my lovely dougther, and my hope all will be fine...we just need, or i just need litle things to be hapy, today i feell hapy, so life is beautifull as terribly or good we find,  sory if sametimes im to impulsive in my answears, dont know who are all of you, but Im sure theres good people behing all of this.
     
    love to all of you,peace and hapynes. Misis bhalah.
  • bhalah said on May 12, 2009....
    Oh mens, I have to said samething else, I read again my answear, yesterday, and im loufing, to much, what a crazy , of course you dident understand , im agree, sory gays, i always do this, that the reason ever eny repaire on my, of course.. sory, my blody english I ever learn..chau. 
  • travelr712 said on May 12, 2009....
    hi misis bhalah :-) i would have talked to you before, but this is the first time i've seen you here. with over 11,000 screen names at this site, it's hard to find everyone, ya know :-)
     
    please don't feel you have to appologise for your english. you see, i have many personal interests, one of them being languages (i'm a programmer so it's only natural). it's very interesting to me to see how people of other cultures translate their thoughts from their language to english. so i'm curious as to which country you're from. i'm guessing asian, perhaps taiwan?
     
    i agree with you, it is part of the human experience to suffer, and from suffering, we grow. an american version of that idea is 'what doesn't kill you makes you stronger'. do you think this is because humans were designed to be that way, or maybe that it's the fact that the way we evolved, all life on earth has to struggle and compete to survive, which we humans see as 'suffering', so in order to grow and live, we must suffer? or do you think there might be a different reason for this condition?
  • travelr712 said on May 12, 2009....
    hmm, on looking at your description, it's in spanish, so now i have no idea where you're from. best translation i can make from your description:
     
    Literal: first exestential component - radical contridiction
     
    translation, 'the most important thing about me is that i'm a radical contradiction'
     
    was i close?
  • ipmat said on May 12, 2009....
    are you happy in your current state of affairs
    have you done enough to warrant a change in your lifestyle
    have you sowed your seeds as to reap the benefits
    or
    do you have the jones syndrome
    then jealousy starts to creep in slowly and surely
    complacency is when you become lazy
    EDRII
    There is always going to be something you see in someone else that you wish you had BUT have i worked towards it if i have then there is no reason why i wont get it
     
    its not that  people don't have that kind of determination, knowledge, or discipline to remind themselves that.its just that some are lazy
    jealousy ruins a a persons life 
  • travelr712 said on May 12, 2009....
    well ipmat, jealousy, like love, anger and boredom, are and always will be part of the human experience. they are emotions that we will not soon, if ever, breed out of our race. love can ruin your life. anger can ruin your life. any emotion if not properly managed, can ruin your life. the best we can do is to try and use those emotions constructively, so i choose to use my emotion of jealousy to help push me to do better.
  • fromtheheart said on May 12, 2009....

    I agree with travel – We don’t have to confuse ourselves on the causes behind our emotions. I think the best way to manage our emotions is to ask ourselves what are we thinking because what we are thinking reflects on what we are feeling aka emotion. There are two types of feelings "the good feelings" and "the bad feelings" – If you feel good that means you are on the right track if you feel bad that means you’re on the wrong track.

  • ipmat said on May 13, 2009....
    i agree that jealousy is an emotion of the humans but what i still maintain is that
    The quality of being jealous; earnest concern or solicitude; painful apprehension of rivalship in cases nearly affecting one's happiness;
    contentment - happiness with one's situation in life
    "Contentment is not the fulfillment of what you want, but the realization of how much you already have." - Source Unknown
    "A contented mind is the greatest blessing a man can enjoy in this world." - Joseph Addison
    "The secret of contentment is knowing how to enjoy what you have, and to be able to lose all desire for things beyond your reach." - Lin Yu-tang
  • travelr712 said on May 13, 2009....
    i don't disagree with these examples ipmat. i'm not discontent tho. but if we did not desire things beyond our reach, we would have never reached the moon, never created the computer, never found cures for some of the worst deseases on the planet, et. al. striving for what we cannot reach can motivate us to greatness. accepting contentment can lead us to complacency. neither one will happen in every case, it depends on the person, but both are equally important.
  • bhalah said on May 13, 2009....

    hi, Traveler, evolution, im agree whit evolution, im agree whit tipe of senses, make us grow or move into a good things.

    also i have to said im not budist, im not have a choise in one religion, but i look all what i coud, and each one give me samething.

    im not a graduate, in nothing, im just basic, and very impulsive person, my contradictions are because, theres samething on me,  go and back, in  diferent emotions in same situation, today i love you, and tomorrow i hate you, today i want to see you, and tomorrow i dont want to see you ever again, but the day ufter again i want you, you understan?, today i am where i wont, but tomorrow i wont to be in the other said of the world. I found this hard in my life,  because i dont have the equilibrium to chouse , and be consecuent whit my chouse.

    But all of this, are not moving on me because im jeleaus or envy, is because i hungry of new thing, emotion, places, are you a traveler?, i would like to be a traveler, but is not because im jeleaus is because, is great to travel to diferent culturas, coutrys, or color of people.

    Abaut if we have o not have to sufer, in life, i think is a level we earn, as a human, for all the mistakes, we did since the begining, our egos, our ambitions, our kills, our destroy the planet, our bad way of been whit our limits, then this is the consecuencia, dont think we have to feel pain to grow, but, we have to acept now as punish of all we did.

    Religions, are one way of make people agree in tipe of answears they need to hier, becouse we steell inmature, to have defenitly our ourn answear, but is good to know them to fine our ourn answear, also the words, are and other big thing, to me, becouse we think whit words, what jeleaus or envy mean,  and we make a word for a sense, you see here all have samething diferent to said abaut a word we call jaleaus or envy, in you is working very well, in me, make me feel bad, theres a tipe of jeleaus i control, and maybe other tipe i dont allow my self come in to me, dont know, is defecault explain in english, but eny way have a good day, and hope you understan a bit, if theres samething to understan.

    will try to read eny of your post a bit more , so i can know abaut you a bit more, would you recomended me eny? Ah! im speak in spanish yes, but is not spain where i born, also i dont live where i born, so where i from ? maybe i from the planet i creating for me and my dougther, whit colors , paint , music, lot of caos to, dont know.and tv, yes to much tv sametimes, ah oh.

     

  • ipmat said on May 13, 2009....
    travelr712
    Contentment is one’s ability to be happy with what you have whether favourable or unfavourable.
    striving is not jealousy because you are putting that extra mile to achieve it
  • travelr712 said on May 13, 2009....
    well bhalah, i'm glad today you like me, and i hope tomorrow you don't hate me, but i understand what you mean by that, i can waffle a bit myself, especially when my likes and dislikes for a person or a thing are about equil, maybe i like as much about a person as i dislike, so sometimes i want to be around them and sometimes i don't. i used to travel allot. i've been to almost every state in my country, and to several foreign countries. it was very eye opening to actually participate in other cultures, see how other people live, find out what they're like, know that not everyone in the world sees things the way my parents and the small community i grew up in told me i should. it gave me the motivation to break out of that homogenous mindset and decide for myself what to believe, how to think, what to do with my life. i wish everyone in the world could spend a little time in another culture, i think allot of problems would just go away. it always seemed funny to me that the originators of most religions told their followers that the point was for the follower to find their own path, and yet the organized religion tries to tell their followers what is right and wrong to do or believe. but that seems to be the point of organized religion, to control its followers and wipe out the competition. pretty sad actually. and don't worry if you can't get through all of my posts, there's a whole lot of them, and most of them are crap anyway. so, which planet are you from? we might be from the same one :-)
     
    i agree ipmat, striving is not jealousy, but don't you think that using the emotion of jealousy as a catalyst to strive is a good way to direct that emotion?
  • bhalah said on May 13, 2009....

    I feel good then that we agree.

    I liked that expression of organized religions, such as differences in religion, i can said that I do not belong to any organized religion, because while I am on the mountain birds, other see it far away, I am a person whit an interest in this issues, but insist, on a very basic,

    I think, we also, went away a bit of the main theme of jealousy, but I think everything might be related to you, I hope so.

     Dont know way but I like your style, and even if is an ocean in the middle, that separate us, we belong to the same planet, dont know, but you are in America I guest, and I am in Europe, but, samething else, which is not pretty, not I am proud of where i was born, not yet, is a beautiful country, but there is something of which no end to acept, and therefore, I keep the response and I really think we can find any human being as a brother, having not same blood. In one of my trips in London, a frend told me , you have to find your family, yours truly, and i am not related to my blood.

    What do you think, better english? wau, to much work, whit trasletor computer, but thank, you make me study, thanks. This coul be a good way to learn, if  i dont bore you, have a good day Trav.

     

  • travelr712 said on May 13, 2009....
    oh no, you don't bore me at all bhalah. you're using a translation program? wow, they've gotten a WHOLE lot better than the last time i tried one. yes, i'm in america, and i figured after you didn't answer you wanted to keep the country you're in to yourself, so i stopped asking. no problem with that at all, i was just curious.
     
    i have very little, if any at all, contact with my natural family, that has caused me to find my own brothers, sisters, mother and father in other people. twylarants is more or less my mom. fragglesrock, queenparanoia, uniquely-ironic and pusscat are some of my sisters. well, at least those are the ones on sc that you might come across. the ones who were my brothers here don't come around much anymore, but one is evil_twin, and another is silverwhisper. superbozo and javadewd are kinda filling that role at the moment, but they've not been around long and i don't know them that well yet, so time will tell. it's harder to find brothers on this site since it is more than 80% women. i haven't found a father figure yet, but i'm well over 40, so i guess i don't really need one.
     
    it's ok if the conversation goes off the original topic, i'm not really one to try and force people to talk about anything in particular, i just like starting conversations.
     
    yes, this can be a very good way to learn conversational english, at least in written form. queenparanoia is from another country too, she and i talk every day, and her english has vastly improved because of it. the best way to learn a new language is to use it, so feel free to use it with me whenever you feel like it :-)
  • Edriisxe said on May 13, 2009....

    Oh wow. This whole jealousy debate just keeps getting longer and longer and the amount of people who carry on are diminishing.

     

    Well impat,

    Of course, some are going to be lazy. Some people are going to be whatever they want. There are so many excuses in the book that people use. It seems that you are using anecdotes to prove your point and right. I'm tired, sorry. I cant think straight. I could just be writing out complete shit because my mind is just mushy right now. I just came back home a while ago from a 4hr AP Language and Composition test and another 2hrs of singing. And I have to leave in 5min to church. But anywho...

    I wholeheartedly agree with Travelr when he says that anything can ruin a life if not managed properly. Jealousy is such a minor subject, I think. It's something that we consciously cannot realize we as humans are doing, depending on maturity and past experiences, or observations.

    Eh...say whatever as a responce. Im going to go to church and ask God to clear my mind. I'll get back to you guys later. lol

  • ipmat said on May 13, 2009....
    Edriisxe
    jealousy is not a minor subject,as travs had written in his post that i quote " For many years in my past, I was intensely jealous of any attention another person attained. Several years ago, I had to face the fact that it was generated from my own internal conflicts and lack of self esteem. When I finally acknowledged this harmful trait in myself, I was able to let go of this jealousy, and genuinely appreciate the successes and attention obtained by others " but he was not lazy or complacent in his attitude he was striven to what he wanted achieve i his /her life .if he was lazy he would have been in the same place where he was so was it jealousy that made him achieve his goals i do not believe that it was his positive outlook in life that made him achieve his goals .jealousy is a negative attitude
    and as to the anecdotes i find using them makes my point across a bit easy
    ps as a church goer the story of cane and abel would be one where jealousy is mentioned.on a more lighter note if trav had used the word positive and not jealousy there would have been no debate 
  • bhalah said on May 13, 2009....
    OH Trav; sory, no traslation program now, my dougther will wake up soon dont have time, but what I wont to said, is more things you tell me abaut you, and more hapy, i feel, is incredible, iam 41, so we are close in many ways, sory she is here now, have to make breakfast, see you later tonight i continuo, whit tralation, by.
  • travelr712 said on May 13, 2009....
    well, what do you want to know about me bhalah?
  • bhalah said on May 13, 2009....
    hello!!! we are in same time!!!
  • bhalah said on May 13, 2009....
    will think during the day and I tell you when I back,  but most are, just life things, see you later.
  • speaking_up said on May 14, 2009....
    bhalah...
     
    Thank you for being here.  What part of Europe are you from?  Please do not be ashamed of where you are from (many americans won't admit they are american when out of the country, these days).  We all must be proud of our homeland but with so much trouble in the world we are all walking on eggshells (nervous).
     
    Trav...
     
    This website is 80% women?  Where do you get these figures from?  I thought I was talking to a bunch of christian fundementalist republican men?  We must be reading different tags...
     
     
     
     
  • Edriisxe said on May 14, 2009....
    Oh dear. impat, This is what I previously said in a post in here, just different...
    "Some people don't have that kind of determination, knowledge, or dicipline to remind themselves that. Obviously everyone is different, so no one can't get over jealousy one way. Some people have to go through a whole life lesson just to learn a simple thing."
    If it didn't come accoss that way, i'm sorry. I sometimes struggle with explaining myself the way I want and chosing the right diction or better connotation of what i'm thinking. I probably went a little far when saying that jealousy was a minor topic. Nothing is minor anymore. All in all, now that I think of it, regardless of determination and everything i said that some people don't seem to have, if a person recognizes their fault, lazy or not, they can over come it. Which was what you were trying to say.
  • travelr712 said on May 14, 2009....
    well speaking, if you only read alienated and curmudgeon, you'd be right :-) with over 11,000 screen names registered on this site, there are only a few ways to determine the male/female ratio. what i was really referring to are active members, ones who post and comment. i also from time to time run across a screen name who does post, but subscribes to no one, has no one subscribed to them, comments to no one and no one comments to them. they are, imo, using this site to journal, so i don't count them in my comment either. if you look much past the third page on any given day, most of the posts are selling something. shoes, purses, world of warcraft gold. these people are usually doing this because the more blog sites they write on, the higher they are positioned in search engines, so i don't count them either. if you look at the posts in those first 3 pages, you'll see that @ 8 out of 10 screen names are women. if you look at the comments on a majority of posts, you'll see that @ 8 out of 10 screen names are women. that's been consistant for over a year, the amount of time i've been paying attention, so i say this site is 80% women. now, you may not have really been asking for a statistical breakdown of my conjecture, but one of my classes this quarter is statistics, so i just couldn't help myself :-P
  • travelr712 said on May 14, 2009....
    hmm, i don't think i ever have a problem catching on to what you're trying to say edrii, i think you do a fine job of expressing yourself.
  • bhalah said on May 14, 2009....

    hi Trav, as was your day? mine a little pensive, something like a whish to end my day early to get to the computer, and keep thinking about the possibility of having some interesting conversation.

    My thougths were firing toward various sides, a quick tour of how to find this site, a question, becouse sooner or later again? and thousands of doubt this is true whether or not the penalty.

    I can not count on my travelss mentally, because birds are long and boring, then i decided go througth other documents  such OMG, or do you belive in soulmates?and of course I went back to check your answears, same have confused me more, I further clarification.

    I find it more interesting, this kind of writing, than eny mail of eny know, or familiar, in which the found will never cease to be superfluous, then I say, wy not try stealing answears, samething like a game that may end after continue to this post,or who knowss where...

    Mr traveler, to continue, I woul love to be very honest in my thougthts, and get honest answears in return, is also very easy to lie to people, and especially in this type of messaging, can not bear a lie, and this weakness has made me find many people lied to me enough so that the commentary is that of a naive, I think so, just for a reason I say this though, I was not lying, is turning things when I do not mean anything, but lying is not something that I learned.

    I am afraid the boundary between thuth and lies, not to limit blind can see, then...

    Before proceeding if this had any continity, is can be honest?which is the limit to which one must deal when talking abaut private matters, nor will I said that from the worst point, that we dont want eny want to see, but birds, the locattion of this in the same place on different people can have differet meanings...

    Remember that all exercises are to began to learn how to express that love me and not get out that way, i hope  to continue to keep an answear, gretings trav.

    If eny is wrong is the trasletor, right? bye.

  • travelr712 said on May 14, 2009....
    ok bhalah, if anything is wrong with what you wrote, it's the translator, check! LOL
     
    yes, you can be open and honest with me. i'm not easily offended or put off, and when i am i ask for clarification. i always invite people to be straight forward, honest, open about their views of me and whatever else they are talking about. i am the same way, as you may have noticed. so much so that people sometimes call me harsh, condescending and arrogent. so ask whatever you want, and say whatever you want, and if you don't want it on a public page, feel free to private message me. pm's can be seen by only you and me. if you don't know how, i'll pm you and you'll see very quickly how to do it.
  • bhalah said on May 14, 2009....
    I am afraid to said yes, and then what i can speak to you, theres nothing to important, but is important to me, tolk to sameone i feel is better than me in many things, i just finish to read your post said abaut selfestime, and for what you said you win 3 times samething was for 4 in a group of 60, it dasent make my selfestime down, but make me know haw much haight you are, from me, and i love to find people up to me, couse i feell i can learn from them, but whatever you wont if you want in private, i dont mind, but is true that i dont know how to do this, for sure, remember im not to good on computers but is an interesting thing to do, maeby, do it if you want, see you, have a good nigth, not traslation now so hope you understan, but remember I basic, but me too, i rather prefer, the lid, instead of the group...ja.
  • travelr712 said on May 14, 2009....
    i actually understand you better without the translation program bhalah. we can keep it on a public post, or go to pm, either way. sometimes people want to say things to someone else here that they don't want the general public to be able to read when it comes to personal subjects. and please understand, i was more surprised than anyone when i won those awards. i'm not smarter, or better, or above anybody else. i just figured out the system of that school and how to get the grades i wanted. it wasn't that hard. well, that, and i did the work. that's all it took. tell you what, i'll send you a hello pm just so you know how it works in case you ever want to use it, with me or anyone else.
  • Edriisxe said on May 14, 2009....
    Thanks travelr. =]
  • travelr712 said on May 14, 2009....
    you're welcome edrii. what'd i do?
  • bhalah said on May 15, 2009....

    speaking up, dident answear to you, before, dont feel i m ignore you, even if i did, is true, but the reazon, maybe is that i dident see enything from you yet, i can be interested to start to talk, but just let you know this, hope get this in a good way, have a good day, speaking up. 

    What we have to or we dont have to, is up to us,  i am especialy a tipe of person, i dont mind what is have to be done, and i paying for been like this, sametimes goods sametimes bad, but, is me... by.

  • Edriisxe said on May 15, 2009....

    lol you said,

    "hmm, i don't think i ever have a problem catching on to what you're trying to say edrii, i think you do a fine job of expressing yourself."

    And I simply said thank you. =]

  • travelr712 said on May 15, 2009....
    i see edrii. well, again, you're welcome :-)
  • javadewd said on May 16, 2009....
    Do yourself a favor and read Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged."

    There is this stigma that crazy bitches like Joyce Meyers tries to exploit called "Approval Addition." Let me save you from hiding in a darkened silent room wondering who you pissed off today and recommend to you that you simply stop caring what people think of you. Who cares? You simply cannot please everybody all the time, but you can please nobody every time! Don't spend a lot of time pleasuring yourself... At least not in public...

    You be you and let the chips fall where they may. If life is a popularity contest, I'd rather be the diabolical nerd with the flying car and the death ray that grew up to marry the just as nerdy girl who cured world hunger and globalized health care with chicken soup (brilliant!) than the prom king jock with a small penis and an even smaller brain that married the stuck-up Barbie bitch and divorced three years out with two viral yuppie larva who are trying to destroy society.
  • travelr712 said on May 16, 2009....
    i'm gettin pretty good at just bein me jd. it's been a long, hard struggle, but i'm pretty happy with who i am.
  • Edriisxe said on May 17, 2009....
    Wow jd. Wow.
  • travelr712 said on May 17, 2009....
    he's always like that edrii, i'm used to it :-D
  • Edriisxe said on May 17, 2009....
    lol. Okay. It was just interesting what he said...and how he said it. Um travelr, odd place to ask, do you mind helping me?
  • travelr712 said on May 17, 2009....
    he does have a way with words doesn't he edrii, one of the reasons i like him :-)
     
    i don't mind at all, what can i help you with? you can pm it to me if you want.
  • funlol said on Sep 14, 2009....
    A little jealousy, as long as it does not consume a person, is a good thing I think.
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  • Edriisxe said on Sep 15, 2009....
    Agreed. It's human to have these feelings. Good and bad. How far it goes is what matters. Have control and you should be fine. If you need reassurance or to simply vent, do so with someone you know who can give you comforting and valuable feedback. =]

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