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well can't help it if i'm cute and more popular than you...
This reminds me of a part of papajack's sermon where he was comparing two different types of envy. The kind that wants recognition, and the kind that begrudges others getting recognition. The latter being the worst kind. I think envy and jealousy are related in that way.
I was taught while growing up, that it was wrong to do either. So, I can say, I don't do either, however, I do think it is possible to do so in a healthy way, such as you mentioned.
Im a jealous person, but I think what your talking about isnt what I would call jealousy, more like envy...Im jealous of people that I think are better than me in whatever area...Its not for attention. Im jealous of the 5'4 latina brunette with the measurement of 34-24-38...Im jealous of her bc she has the bod that I want. But I dont consider myself to be an attention seeker. My dad likes to call that "Working for pats on the back". People who do things not for themselves or their own gratification but only for "pats on the back" people who thrive from others telling them they did well and not from knowing they did well without someone having to tell them...
The new guy at work will do something asked of him and instead of just doing it and moving on, he will bring out the project and be like "look what i did, its perfect"...Well, thats asking for "a pat on the back" for doing your job...most employers consider that obnoxious and something that should "go without saying" sort of thing...I do my job and many of my accomplishments i recieve no recognition for, and i dont expect it, its my job. It goes without saying for me to do what im asked to do.
I think the only time I ever make a fuss over what i do at work is when its something that is waaay above and beyond my job description, something im not supose to do. Then i rub it in their face not for recognition but to let them know that they are not doing their job.
Anywhoo, i spose jealousy, envy, and pats on the back, all kinda go hand in hand. But apply in many different areas and mean different things under different circumstances. Some actions could be considered attention seeking, others could be considered needing recognition, and some are justified to make a point...
Interesting thought though ... Im not sure exactly where i fall under all those sorts of circumstances. I like to think that it is a very "normal" amount.
I agree with you its always nice to recieve recognition for a job well done. But i think its a bit obnoxious when people purposely go out and look for it.
those said im jealous, im envy, make me feel descasting, no one said enything to Lioness, or Edriisxe, whom I think, was the most reazonable answear, you dont know haw bad can do jeleaus, or envy people? did you ever hade thouse tipes of insecurity people, working whit you? creating whit you?, telling you are the best frends? and what abaut behaind , ufter, they do discasting, they can be bad, destroy others lifes, just way? ohhh becouse make me go on things others have??, people are chiquis, they think all is able to do, all they can have, all they can faith for, no mather who is die on the way...no, no and noo, you are not able to do what you fuking want, just becuse like a child want they toy, and want and want... me too, i want to live in peace, i want to have frends, i want to fell i can trust eny fucking one, theres NOT, blady jeleaus, blady envys I said, I can not said im not jeleaus,because i am realy whit a partener, for example, but i dont know what is envy, honestly, sound naif, probably, because the people think is normal to be envy, wy not? who cares?, well a litle bit, isent bad, no?, as Edrissxe said we have to work, into things what we have, foud what we need, trying to do not to much dust, and feel hapy as much we can, is not isie to be hapy, whithout love, work, health, many, frends, family, food, water, or trees, but,even whit all of those things, the people think is normal to envy, ja! live and let others live, and things will be isier for all. Dont understand wy the people make all so complicate, when everything coul be much more isier. bah!..
I agree with travel – We don’t have to confuse ourselves on the causes behind our emotions. I think the best way to manage our emotions is to ask ourselves what are we thinking because what we are thinking reflects on what we are feeling aka emotion. There are two types of feelings "the good feelings" and "the bad feelings" – If you feel good that means you are on the right track if you feel bad that means you’re on the wrong track.
hi, Traveler, evolution, im agree whit evolution, im agree whit tipe of senses, make us grow or move into a good things.
also i have to said im not budist, im not have a choise in one religion, but i look all what i coud, and each one give me samething.
im not a graduate, in nothing, im just basic, and very impulsive person, my contradictions are because, theres samething on me, go and back, in diferent emotions in same situation, today i love you, and tomorrow i hate you, today i want to see you, and tomorrow i dont want to see you ever again, but the day ufter again i want you, you understan?, today i am where i wont, but tomorrow i wont to be in the other said of the world. I found this hard in my life, because i dont have the equilibrium to chouse , and be consecuent whit my chouse.
But all of this, are not moving on me because im jeleaus or envy, is because i hungry of new thing, emotion, places, are you a traveler?, i would like to be a traveler, but is not because im jeleaus is because, is great to travel to diferent culturas, coutrys, or color of people.
Abaut if we have o not have to sufer, in life, i think is a level we earn, as a human, for all the mistakes, we did since the begining, our egos, our ambitions, our kills, our destroy the planet, our bad way of been whit our limits, then this is the consecuencia, dont think we have to feel pain to grow, but, we have to acept now as punish of all we did.
Religions, are one way of make people agree in tipe of answears they need to hier, becouse we steell inmature, to have defenitly our ourn answear, but is good to know them to fine our ourn answear, also the words, are and other big thing, to me, becouse we think whit words, what jeleaus or envy mean, and we make a word for a sense, you see here all have samething diferent to said abaut a word we call jaleaus or envy, in you is working very well, in me, make me feel bad, theres a tipe of jeleaus i control, and maybe other tipe i dont allow my self come in to me, dont know, is defecault explain in english, but eny way have a good day, and hope you understan a bit, if theres samething to understan.
will try to read eny of your post a bit more , so i can know abaut you a bit more, would you recomended me eny? Ah! im speak in spanish yes, but is not spain where i born, also i dont live where i born, so where i from ? maybe i from the planet i creating for me and my dougther, whit colors , paint , music, lot of caos to, dont know.and tv, yes to much tv sametimes, ah oh.
I feel good then that we agree.
I liked that expression of organized religions, such as differences in religion, i can said that I do not belong to any organized religion, because while I am on the mountain birds, other see it far away, I am a person whit an interest in this issues, but insist, on a very basic,
I think, we also, went away a bit of the main theme of jealousy, but I think everything might be related to you, I hope so.
Dont know way but I like your style, and even if is an ocean in the middle, that separate us, we belong to the same planet, dont know, but you are in America I guest, and I am in Europe, but, samething else, which is not pretty, not I am proud of where i was born, not yet, is a beautiful country, but there is something of which no end to acept, and therefore, I keep the response and I really think we can find any human being as a brother, having not same blood. In one of my trips in London, a frend told me , you have to find your family, yours truly, and i am not related to my blood.
What do you think, better english? wau, to much work, whit trasletor computer, but thank, you make me study, thanks. This coul be a good way to learn, if i dont bore you, have a good day Trav.
Oh wow. This whole jealousy debate just keeps getting longer and longer and the amount of people who carry on are diminishing.
Well impat,
Of course, some are going to be lazy. Some people are going to be whatever they want. There are so many excuses in the book that people use. It seems that you are using anecdotes to prove your point and right. I'm tired, sorry. I cant think straight. I could just be writing out complete shit because my mind is just mushy right now. I just came back home a while ago from a 4hr AP Language and Composition test and another 2hrs of singing. And I have to leave in 5min to church. But anywho...
I wholeheartedly agree with Travelr when he says that anything can ruin a life if not managed properly. Jealousy is such a minor subject, I think. It's something that we consciously cannot realize we as humans are doing, depending on maturity and past experiences, or observations.
Eh...say whatever as a responce. Im going to go to church and ask God to clear my mind. I'll get back to you guys later. lol
"Some people don't have that kind of determination, knowledge, or dicipline to remind themselves that. Obviously everyone is different, so no one can't get over jealousy one way. Some people have to go through a whole life lesson just to learn a simple thing."
hi Trav, as was your day? mine a little pensive, something like a whish to end my day early to get to the computer, and keep thinking about the possibility of having some interesting conversation.
My thougths were firing toward various sides, a quick tour of how to find this site, a question, becouse sooner or later again? and thousands of doubt this is true whether or not the penalty.
I can not count on my travelss mentally, because birds are long and boring, then i decided go througth other documents such OMG, or do you belive in soulmates?and of course I went back to check your answears, same have confused me more, I further clarification.
I find it more interesting, this kind of writing, than eny mail of eny know, or familiar, in which the found will never cease to be superfluous, then I say, wy not try stealing answears, samething like a game that may end after continue to this post,or who knowss where...
Mr traveler, to continue, I woul love to be very honest in my thougthts, and get honest answears in return, is also very easy to lie to people, and especially in this type of messaging, can not bear a lie, and this weakness has made me find many people lied to me enough so that the commentary is that of a naive, I think so, just for a reason I say this though, I was not lying, is turning things when I do not mean anything, but lying is not something that I learned.
I am afraid the boundary between thuth and lies, not to limit blind can see, then...
Before proceeding if this had any continity, is can be honest?which is the limit to which one must deal when talking abaut private matters, nor will I said that from the worst point, that we dont want eny want to see, but birds, the locattion of this in the same place on different people can have differet meanings...
Remember that all exercises are to began to learn how to express that love me and not get out that way, i hope to continue to keep an answear, gretings trav.
If eny is wrong is the trasletor, right? bye.
speaking up, dident answear to you, before, dont feel i m ignore you, even if i did, is true, but the reazon, maybe is that i dident see enything from you yet, i can be interested to start to talk, but just let you know this, hope get this in a good way, have a good day, speaking up.
What we have to or we dont have to, is up to us, i am especialy a tipe of person, i dont mind what is have to be done, and i paying for been like this, sametimes goods sametimes bad, but, is me... by.
lol you said,
"hmm, i don't think i ever have a problem catching on to what you're trying to say edrii, i think you do a fine job of expressing yourself."
And I simply said thank you. =]