My wife checks her daily astrology 'fortune cookie' but doesn't believe in it.
I ask why and she says 'its fun'.
Now, down to seriousness.
Did you know that in one poll, 31% of people expressed a belief in astrology and in another poll 39% considered it scientific?
I know the sun affects us greatly in both the physical planetary sense and the human condition. The sun not only gives us life, but creates our path through space. Sun 'storms' certainly affect us.
The moon affects the planet (equatorial bulge and tides, as examples) and probably the human condition on at least a noticeable scale. (It affects moonriver rather strongly)
Our solar system as a whole other than the sun and the moon I would imagine affects the planet slightly.
The galaxy as a whole creates the solar system's path, but other than that probably has little effect.
As far as astrological effects are concerned, I think that's about it.
Do you feel the alignment of planets, the zodiac, and other heavenly bodies affects our planet and most especially, do you believe they affect our person and guide our lives?
Can celestial placements interpret past and present events and predict the future?
I have read and believe its probably true astrology has had a place in shaping the bible. Do you agree?
beyondtheveil posted on May 09, 2009
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diabolicdame said on May 10, 2009....
Lol.. it does affect moonriver strongly.. hahaha.. and you know what.. indians are sooo into astrology! We have our birth charts etc etc and they are followed by all! It goes beyond the fortune cookie here and people believe it because its based on planetary calculation so they think its scientific.. in fact we even match a couple's birth charts when they're getting married to see their compatibility.I, however, take it all with a pinch of salt. Its ok for amusement sakes but I dont really really believe it.I saw on discovery once that the earth's angle with respect to the planets has changed over the years since astrology was developed.. and the calculations have never been corrected accordingly. So in fact, even is astrology is sceintific, its not any more because the planetary calculations they follow now are not accurate anymore. This means that you might think you were born a cancerian but actually you might be aries or something because the planets have changed position!Hope that wasnt confusing.. :-) -
beyondtheveil said on May 10, 2009....
diabo- Speaking of miscalculation, did you know there are thirteen signs of the zodiac and they only take into account twelve? At least in Western astrology they don't. That sign is Ophiuchus in the constellation Serpens and the sun passes through it from Nov. 3 to Dec. 17. Its between Scorpio and Sagittarius. I wonder how this affects astrology? -
Mr_Box said on May 10, 2009....
I do believe in astrology but not daily horoscopes. I think the latter is for entertainment purposes only, but the science of astrology has been shown to be so accurate in the majority of cases I've come across, I have a hard time discounting it.I do believe that people are affected by the planets and the sun and the moon. It's pretty fascinating to me. And that info you posted in your comment about the 13th sign is interesting. I had never heard of that. And technically that would be my sign because my birthday falls in those dates.I gotta look that up! -
travelr712 said on May 10, 2009....
does planetary allignment affect history or humanity? well, a few years ago, all the planets came into almost perfect linear allignment for the first time in i don't remember how many tens of thousands of years. some astrologers said there would be great cataclysm and upheaval. well, there were some tragedies around the world, but there are always tragedies around the world.it was a practice to start a war during the appearance of a comet, it was considered a good sign.the 'wise men' in the gospels were astrologers, they'd seen the 'signs in the heavens' 2 years before they showed up in jeruselam.'signs in the heavens' are laced throughout the bible, including revelation. astrology was the science of that era, and had been since the earliest civilizations. most religious imagry is actually talking about astrological positioning, it was only later personified in interpretations. the first 'gods' worshiped by sentient man were the son and moon, one to rule the day, one to rule the night.astrology has played a major part in human social development, but only, i believe, in as much as humans place significance on patterns, and look for patterns in everything. -
diabolicdame said on May 10, 2009....
beyond, I did not know that! You see.. too many miscalculations! -
speaking_up said on May 10, 2009....
"That sign is Ophiuchus in the constellation Serpens and the sun passes through it from Nov. 3 to Dec. 17. Its between Scorpio and Sagittarius. I wonder how this affects astrology? " Beyond...Egad, this could explain my mother being the devil herself. She is a sag but has no resemblence to one.I too read the daily horrorscopes for entertainment, but believe there is something to the zodiak, tides and moons changing, etc. etc..I think we don't know much at all. So how can we argue about something that has been around for thousands of years? I try to keep open just about anything, these days. -
beyondtheveil said on May 10, 2009....
mr box- Wow, if my birthday fell in those dates I'd want to check that out too. I haven't studied Ophiuchus and the story behind it. You may indeed find that interesting.
trav- I'm sure astrology was the astronomy of the day in ancient times. I wonder if the zodiacal signs (images) were of religious origin? Very interesting information.
diabo- Its interesting if you want to google it. There's a lot on it.
speaking- I have a fairly open mind about most things, it just seems to me that the farther away we are to bodies the less effect they will have. My ex-wife was a sag, by the way, and I've noticed I butt heads with those guys.
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travelr712 said on May 10, 2009....
from my research of the subject btv, all evidence seems to point to ancients thinking that stars and constellations were the actual 'souls' of the 'gods' that now resided in the 'heavens'. these individuals who did extraordinary things as told in their past, were afforded unchanging places in the sky so they and their deeds would forever be remembered. and since these constellations were over the heads of the people, it gave them ruling 'godlike' power. of course, the intentions of the gods were interpreted and power meted out by the 'priests'.in greece in 400 b.c., if you would have pointed at alpha centuri and told them it was actually 3 stars, not one, they would have laughed you right out of the forum. they had no concept that the planet they were standing on was just one solar system, orbiting one star in a cluster of billions of stars that we call a galaxy, or that many of the 'stars' they saw in the sky were other clusters of billion star galaxies at vast, unimaginable distances. they could not conceive of a universe beyond the stars they could see with the naked eye, which is why no star that cannot be seen with the naked eye has a name, but rather they have a number. they simply were not known until the scientific method of numeric classification was developed, after the invention and subsiquent implementation of the telescope.it was the practice of the ancients, all ancient cultures that i'm aware of, to personafy that which they did not understand well. it allowed them to conceptually relate to and understand the patterns of the environment around them. take greek mythology, for instance. there are many stories that historians such as homer recorded of the origins of different constellations, relating the exploits of this or that heroic person or animal, that after their destiny was met, they ascended into the night sky.diestic resurection and ascention is actually originally a sumarian concept (where abraham came from), not a judeo-christian one. but all religion builds on the concepts of the religions that come before it, and villify the central characters of the older religion in order to gain converts. this is also a well documented human historical trait. just take a look at some of the evangelical christians on this site and how they villify the catholic church, and you'll get my meaning.anyway, that's far off topic, sorry. my view is that humans are pattern oriented. they act and react in a generally predictible manor, no matter what age they live in. since the stars and planets move in a predictible manor, it is easy to allign certain traits with certain celestial motions, and would definately have been the predilection of our ancestors. it 'makes sense', it 'feels right', because it is the easiest way for us to relate our pattern oriented natures with the infathomable reality that surrounds us.does that mean that the stars determine our destiny? i really don't look at it that way. i rather think that since we are made up of the stuff of stars, we move in similar patterns. -
beyondtheveil said on May 10, 2009....
trav- I have many times tried to place myself into the mind of an ancient with an exploring mind. Imagine thinking the heavens we see as placed there for this world alone. Taking into consideration the knowledge they had, which was scientifically none at all, its easy to understand how they thought and believed the way they did.
Stories and beliefs are retold over and over and its also easy to understand how they would make them fit their own. Fascinating topic, the ancients and how they thought.
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travelr712 said on May 10, 2009....
yes it is fascinating btv, or at least to geeks like me :-)actually, since i recognize that humans are pattern oriented creatures who generally repeat the same behavior, i can deduce allot about where we are now and where we're going, from looking at where we've been. -
speaking_up said on May 10, 2009....
Trav...interesting, very. Mayons used astrology to build 'state of the art for the time' buildings...12 is a big number historically too, including Christ's 12 disciples, - well, there are a lot of '12's out there I just smoked a joint so can't think of any right now... -
Lucytorial said on May 10, 2009....
The pathetic interpretations of many astrology pages like those in news papers are hilarious!There is value in it, we are made up of mostly water, living on a planet that is pushed and pulled by many factors, in this regards energy and magnetics do change subtly, for true astrology is there to help guide us I suppose in providing information on where those energies lie.BUT as far as those silly little guides in papers and magazines... I don't think so. Astrology is a complex thing, not just one paragraphs worth of notations.... -
travelr712 said on May 10, 2009....
3 and 7 are prevelant in the o.t. speaking, 12 is more prevelant in the n.t. so you've got that right :-) numbers are a way of describing patterns, so i think it's not surprising that certain ones would over the millenium hold special significance. it's really unfortunate that the spanish burned most of the mayan texts, there was much knowledge held in them, as was in the assyrian, sumarian and ancient egyptian cultures. seems we're constantly reinventing the same knowledge, doesn't it? -
travelr712 said on May 10, 2009....
if i can be totally anal about it lu, you're right, the matter that composes our meat puppets is mostly water, but the entire form is mostly empty space, or air, between all the molicules. it's kinda cool to think about. we're made of chemical compounds, which are made of molecules, which are made of atoms, which are made of quarks, which are tiny points of energy that pop in and out of existence in our physical world. we don't actually exist :-) -
speaking_up said on May 10, 2009....
"we don't actually exist :-) "I KNEW IT! -
gingersoul said on May 10, 2009....
BeyBey.....astrology is like the Bible...everybody can read everything in it...;-)
After all.... its what ancient cultures created to have a grab of their constantly changing realities....spotting the fixed elements helped them to have structures, rules, predictability, laws ....in short, a society.
Just like they invented this idea of a human God..
Astrology can be a good hobby, a good reading, it can be fun, it can be the ice breaker for conversation...everything beside something that is really able to influence our lives..
If i have to entertain myself with some astrology though
....i always read the Chinese Horoscope...
So much more deep, interesting, circumlocutory and intriguing than any other one...;-p..
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queenparanoia said on May 10, 2009....
intersting... well it's fun taht's why i read mine sometimes... but i dont lead my life with astrology. you lead your own life... ;-) -
Hegemone said on May 10, 2009....
I tend to be one of those that will just read my horoscope just for the heck of it, for fun. I don't give it a lot of thought though, as to whether what planets are lined up with what. It might be possible that if I paid attention with those patterns, and my life patterns (whether things are good, money is plentiful, love is in the air, etc.) that maybe they are connected, if there's enough instances where thing would correlate. Otherwise, it might just be all a bunch of coincidences. One other thing I like doing with monthly magazines, for instances, is reading my horoscope the month after it was written for, to see if things matched up. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't, but it's interesting anyway. -
fromtheheart said on May 10, 2009....
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Lioness said on May 10, 2009....
There's a part of me that believes in astrology, beyond. But I don't depend everything on it.. it only serves as a guide. I believe more that there is a Supreme Being who intervenes.
I read horoscopes at the end of the day. :)
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fromtheheart said on May 10, 2009....
I also have a friend who believes in fortune cookie – she reads her fortunes in magazines and newspapers. She tells me that she is a living proof that it really happens – well I really don’t know but it really happens to her.
I believe it is related to The Secret by Rhonda Byrne – that we are all under one law – and it is the law of attraction. That if we think about something whether it is good or bad ; if we believe that it will happen- IT WILL. Byrne restates the law of attraction in various ways: "Nothing [good or bad] can come into your experience unless you summon it through persistent thoughts" (p. 28). "Your thoughts are the primary cause of everything" (p. 33). "Your current reality or your current life is a result of the thoughts you have been thinking" (p. 71).
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beyondtheveil said on May 10, 2009....
lucy- I find newspaper horoscopes rather humorous myself.
speaking- I knew that too.
ginsoul- I have at times read about Chinese horoscopes astrology but not enough to understand it. I like the use of animals as signs of the zodiac. I agree it could be an interesting hobby.
queenie- I read mine too sometimes, the same way I read fortune cookies.
hege- I think you can always find connections. I've found connections in almost every one I've read, but leading a life by them is another thing altogether.
lioness- I see nothing wrong with having a part of you believing in astrology. I'm just curious about how people feel its use. If it guides you well, its good.
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speaking_up said on May 11, 2009....
There are many forms of reading information and being able to see much more than we give ourselves credit for. For example, someone once gave me some runes, stones that have symbols. You pull a stone, and read the interpretation in a book. Now, it is not what is written in the book about that particular stone, it is the unconscious interpretation of what was said that is the clue and key to finding your answers.What I read on one day about a stone (or tarot card or horoscope or bible) will be a completely different read the next day. Similarly, someone else could pull the same read, and get something completely different out of it...because they are interpretating it...their subconscious is at work. -
Voltaire said on May 13, 2009....
I am sceptic, most of it is BS if you ask me.
Some might be true, look up Chinese Horoscope, I'm a metal Horse and it actually is quite accurate. -
beyondtheveil said on May 13, 2009....
speaking- Would you also relate this to those who read horoscopes seriously? By that I mean one person can get a different meaning than others and use it accordingly? They must know the scopes are very general and could apply to everyone at any time.
voltaire- Do you mean look up my birth sign on their zodiac?
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Voltaire said on May 13, 2009....
Under what year where you born? This directly relates to a animal (and element)
Here is a example, look for your year of birth.
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speaking_up said on May 14, 2009....
beyond...yes I would relate it to people who read their horoscopes. It is always the unconscious at work when interpretating these things, therein lies the truth.Within us. -
speaking_up said on May 14, 2009....
Voltaire...I went to your link...right there up front it said, "YEAR OF THE PIG" and nothing to click...I saw all the other years (and I'm not one of them, I am a pig)...but there is no link to click to see mine (I like the chinese zodiak, and hope you can help me out). -
Voltaire said on May 14, 2009....
Speaking up,
Go down to the bottom of the link, look to the right of "Ox". There are many pigs there.
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speaking_up said on May 14, 2009....
Thank you, Volt...Pig people are friends for life. Their relationships are very deep, devoted, and rich beyond measure. The Pig people are noble and give and receive lots of hugs. They are gallant and extend old-fashioned chivalries towards people they meet. Pig People are quiet, studious, and thorough. On the other hand, they have a quick temper and sometimes have to pay for their rash impulsiveness. However, no one can overcome their inner strength; they have such tremendous fortitude and jump the goal post very time. The Pig will have an abundance of good fortune and an abundance of years. The Pig will know a life filled with serenity and riches.**********************************************************Well, this write up about the pig is rather disappointing. I'm trying to get my own interpretation out of it, but simply can't. I am not quiet, studious, or thorough...I take shortcuts wherever I can. I have never considered myself (nor would my friends or family) to be quick tempered. Rash impulsiveness...hmmm, maybe (but same with 80% of the rest of the world). I guess I do have tremendous fortitude, since life has really been quite hellish and I have survived. But that makes the statement, "the Pig will have an abundance of good fortune..." laughable, in my case.Cripes, I was born on September 11th SEPTEMBER 11TH! 1959 even...It's been 911 for me since the day I was born. One hurdle after another...over and over again.So, I read these things for entertainment, but if it doesn't make sense, I move on. I do believe there are astrological reasons for tides and seasons (including human traits based on the time of year and month and day of birth)...but so many try to cash in on this fact it is difficult to read through the real ones from the frauds.In the one above, I really didn't get anything that would help me interpret something meaningful.But I appreciate the effort! -
beyondtheveil said on May 14, 2009....
speaking- Yours sounds a lot like mine. I found a couple things that fit, but a description of me it is not. I only wish I was like that guy. -
speaking_up said on May 14, 2009....
beyond...LOL...exactly, I wish I were the pig described! -
Voltaire said on May 15, 2009....
Since Speaking_Up posted his I might just as well do the same:
Metal Horse:Horse people have a balance of the best kind of qualities. Have you ever seen a wild horse on the beach, with flying mane and flaring nostrils, every muscle bursting with life and "je ne sais quois"? Without a doubt, the Horse is the standard for grace, strength, rhythm and nobility. They have an amazing capacity for hard work. As a result, they know great success and financial security in their lifetimes. Often quite ostentatious, they enjoy being with large crowds and always seek out the grand and magnificent. They need people and have a weakness for those of the opposite sex. You can often find Horses at concerts, music festivals, and the Super Bowls of life.
From evening clothes to blue jeans, from the opera to country and western, the Metal Horse is the epitome of a chameleon. Twisting and turning to new experiences, these Horses will go wherever adventure beckons, always bursting with enthusiasm for their very active and productive life. Because of this, their social circle includes some of the most interesting people with opposing and refreshing points of view. Conversation is a high art. Their natural intuition keeps them in lively sync with people they meet. Metal Horses are also very talented people, whether it be in sports, managing the bottom line, or dancing their own interpretation of hip hop. They are most resourceful; if they don't know about a subject, they find the time to learn about it. They never have to lose precious time worrying about what might have been. Although they are very serious and responsible workers and have successful careers, they experience a volatile financial life, up and down, up and down. Although they certainly never have to go begging, they need to exercise financial restraint to keep their lives on a stable course. Love life for the Metal Horse is fine in every respect. They make loyal and understanding partners and they receive the best in return!