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Sometimes a response on someone else's post becomes elaborate enough to generate a post of its own. In this case, I was responding to someone who had been cheated on.

 
It started me thinking about the whole issue of monogamy, and that - along with my usual intense sensation of Spring Fever - led to this:
 
Okay....risking the entry of a male voice, here. Rain, I understand your intense anger, as I've been subjected to very much the same and for similar reasons. Although no pregnancy resulted in my case.
 
I'm not sure if adding this perspective is going to be "helpful" or if it's going to upset you further, and if it does I'm not intending it to. But life is complicated.
 
Betrayal sucks, but where does betrayal begin? It sometimes begins with hypocrisy, and sometimes that means pretending to be what we aren't from the beginning.
 
I've pretended to be committed to monogamy, but it has NEVER been sincere. It has never come from the heart, from believing that it was possible, from thinking that ONE woman would satisfy me from here on out....
 
If my GF reads this, she'd better not get weird on me. I've been loyal to her for 9 years. But she has always claimed to know that not only MEN but PEOPLE are not, by nature, monogamous. Yes we're "intellectuals" and make choices and sacrifices and on and on, yet when we act against our nature we create an internal paradox and may even end up thinking of ourselves as "evil" at the core.
 
Is all of life to be dedicated to suppressing our base urges? Perhaps. But we aren't suppressing an urge to murder by not killing others. We aren't suppressing some "urge to deprive others" by not allowing ourselves to steal. Murder and theft are deviations from regular behavior, not  things we really want to do. In fact, criminal behavior is not a natural urge. It's a deviation.
 
People want to fuck. We want to fuck several people. You do too. You don't do it because (a) obvious consequences with the spouse if discovered (b) you haven't been tempted by the right intruder (c) you hate actual sex? (d) you're distracted by real life but figure you'll get around to your affair once the kids have grown...or something. But you'd do George Clooney if the chance came up. If George wanted you and wooed you, and absolutely promised discretion, you'd go. My GF would succumb to Clint Eastwood even NOW, old as he is. And we came dangerously close to turmoil when I actually met MY female equivalent of George and she was so nice, so magical and a doll....but didn't come on to me that way. If she had....
 
Now I can BE monogamous...but it's not at all easy. NEVER. It's a conscious choice and it has to be worthy. I just figured out recently that I've spent (this is a guess, I'm not with that file at the moment) about 21 years of my 39-year sexual history in monogamous relationships. I'm working up a post on this. So that leaves 16 years of playing around and 2 years of abstinence (non-consecutive).
 
HEADLINE: I got bored messing around with lots of women, just like I sometimes get bored being with the same woman. The possibility? Sexual routine is boring. Sexual diversification is satisfying, including periods of abstinence. This often takes place during marriage. {Note to my GF - one reason I've been with you so long is because your body always turns me on in every way whenever we're naked together, the way we feel together, fit together and explore each other is still exciting...}
 
Even so, I'd like to do somebody else soon. In fact, I've got a gigantic case of SPRING FEVER. It's an actual phenomenon. And no matter how sexy my GF is - and she is not only sexy, she's also got one of the most beautiful smiles known to man - I'm looking at all types of women right now.
 
I'm in a position at work where everyone looks to me for guidance. This leads to lots of misunderstood interactions when it comes to the women. Many of them openly flirt with me. Several have come up with reason to give me their phone numbers or to get mine. And I think some of you read my piece about getting close to Annette Funicello's niece - who still calls me, BTW. Last week a very attractive Hispanic lady took a banana out of her purse, put it to her lips and winked mischievously at me. A very attractive blonde, who turns out to be an actress, wants to have coffee with me and gave me her number.
 
Yet here I am, still doing nothing about this urge. How many more years will these opportunities present themselves? What is this jungle calling that blooms from the juice of my cells and will not be ignored?
 
I might go on until the end with my GF and never touch another. Why? Because I understand what's going on, and would only allow it to happen under extraordinary circumstances. Early in our relationship GF said "I know men have to cheat eventually, but please, please make sure I don't find out!"
 
Anyway, it sounds like you feel some guilt about not being there for hubby sexually, but righteous about being there for him financially. It's not an equal trade. Apples and oranges. You can't buy his sexuality away from him. What did this girl see in him? A sexy man? And did she let him see himself that way, after years of being kept?
 
And bringing the children into the fray? Irresponsible. You can cripple them mentally for life by burdening them with adult emotional responsibilities. Do you want them to be in therapy until they're 60? Of course they beg you to stay. So now you stay. You die inside. And they blame themselves. It was their fault. You made it so. Rather than "sacrificing a lot for my kids" you are sacrificing the kids for your denial.
 
Now you content yourself with torturing hubby to vent the guilt you feel about all of it, reducing him to a "monkey" in your own denial.
 
Crawl out of your hole and "man up." Get tough, now. For the kids. Act like a grown-up and either forgive the guy or leave him. And do it because you decided, not your poor kids.
 
Good luck.
 
--------------End response. So now I'm wondering about YOUR near-affair experiences. Do you guys sense an extreme amount of flirtation in the air?
 
Have YOU been tempted?
 
- OO -
 


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  • trebleclef said on May 05, 2009....
    The fever of spring
     
    is not an illusion
     
    These internal wells
     
    creating confusion
     
    Until I see now
     
    the blossom about
     
    In orgasmic outburst
     
    all nature doth shout....
     
    I'M HORNY!
     
    Are you?
     
  • HoleInTheCosmos said on May 05, 2009....
     
    Wedded bliss for men may depend on the same gene that keeps little prairie rodents faithful to their mates. Investigators have long known the gene that controls the hormone vasopressin is responsible for monogamy in small animals common in the grasslands of North America. Now researchers from Stockholm have uncovered it in men -- and showed it may play a role in whether they and their spouses are happily married. The researchers ran genetic tests on 2,186 participants and had them fill out a survey about the quality of their marriage. Men with a genetic variation scored significantly lower on a scale of partner bonding. One in three reported a crisis in their marriage within the past year, twice the number as those without the variation. This really shows that in humans, even complex social behavior like our relationships have a biological root. athe results held up when the researchers asked women about their relationships. Those whose husbands had one or two copies of the gene variation scored significantly lower on tests asking about their marriage quality than those without it. The gene was previously linked to other aspects of human behavior, including autism, age at first sexual intercourse and altruism. Those findings don't confirm the significance of the gene, though they do show a consistent pattern. You can imagine that a gene that would cause social deficits in autism would also cause you to have trouble in your personal relationships. The gene alone can't predict a successful relationship, and should never be used as a litmus test before marriage. This doesn't explain how you succeed in a relationship, but it gives us an understanding of why people bond. It gives you a predisposition, but it doesn't determine how successful you will be in marriage. All of the study participants were in long term relationships, and most had children who were teenagers or young adults. Some never married, however, and men with two copies of the gene variation were more likely to fall into that category. It's still not clear how the vasopressin gene affects bonding in humans. When voles interact, the gene activates reward and reinforcement areas of the brain that are also involved in addiction. Recently vasopressin has been linked to aggression and blood pressure. Findings don't let women off the hook. While their genes didn't have the same effect on marriages, it may be because researchers were looking in the wrong place. There is probably something similar in female genes that influence the marriage. We are also looking at other things, such as oxytocin, a hormone released when breast feeding, for example. The study addresses the basic scientific question that everyone is interested in, basically why people bond and mate for life. The results show there is some biology behind it. In the future it may be possible to manipulate these systems in a way to enhance social skills and social interactions in people with psychiatric disorders, where there is a deficit in social behavior.
     
  • checkeredpast said on May 05, 2009....

    yes, i have cheated. i am not proud of it, but i got married young and hubby wasn't paying any attention to me. i worked 12-hour days to come home every night to be by myself. the morning came when he went to work and i left for three days. can't say i had a miserable time but now that i have kids, i wouldn't do it again. we went to counseling. i have been the "other woman" for a married man. we used to meet almost every day while she was at work and we would just walk around the park where no one would know. one day ... he told me he had fallen in love with me. ... it remained sexual for about four months. i finally ended the relationship. i felt guilty lying to his wife ... and I wanted a real relationship.

  • Kilgore_V_Trout said on May 05, 2009....

     

    I was married for 18 years once.

    Four boys, really nice house and two business'. My wife announced that she was seeing somebody and that was that. Asked me to move out, but still wanted me to provide for all of her expensive habits.

    Who knows, I may even have been providing for her boyfriend at one point. Affairs are like cancer, they kill.

  • Kirkla said on May 05, 2009....

    Cheating is cheating is cheating. No matter what form it is in. If you are married sex should be between you and your spouse only. Someone always ends up hurt and a lot of the times it's the children that suffer the most (when children are involved). Oh, and just a footnote here - if you have ever been cheated on you are not "paying anyone back" by cheating on them. All you are doing is degrading yourself and pulling yourself down to their immoral level.

    No wonder STD's are so prevalent and widespread. No one knows how to practice self-control anymore. No one thinks about the diseases they could be giving to their partner. Cheating is the epitomy of selfishness and just should not be done. Leave first, but don't put someone whom you say you love and care for at risk. Even if you use the excuse that you used a condom, there are still diseases (HPV, herpes, genital warts, etc.) that can be spread. Leave marriage the way God intended it to be - between one man and one woman.

  • celestialspace2001 said on May 05, 2009....

    Look at John Edwards. Career over.

    With everything to lose, there he went.

    Affairs will happen and it ain't just about genes or jeans. But if couples are gonna get back together they have to try and make love again and THAT's not easy. I've seen that struggle up close. A lot of times the victim in the affair feels as though the reason for the affair is that their spouse was no longer sexually attractive to them any longer. This isn’t always the case. In fact I read about a study that showed that most men who cheat cheat with someone they think is less attractive than their wife.

    Another reason that make this difficult is when the victimized spouse feels that it is lack of performance that caused the affair. It is rare when an affair is caused by lack of performance, but in certain circumstances it can be the case.

    While some books can be good and truly add some excitement, they all focus on the wrong thing. They tell you to change the way you have sex. The true pleasure of sex comes when we are in love with a person, and they are in love with us. With that, you will find total sexual satisfaction. You allow your emotions to take over, and you don’t focus on the physical aspects of the sex.

     

  • somethingunUSual said on May 06, 2009....
    Huh. And we're all tryin' to blame this shit on swine flu.
  • trebleclef said on May 06, 2009....
    This story started many years ago
    When love found two hearts and set them aglow,
    It was a romance that lasted to the end
    One heart is left now which can never mend.



    A secret love affair this was to be
    Their love for each other no one could see,
    A secret it was kept for many a long year
    `What if someone found out?` was their main fear.



    No one can help just where their heart will fall
    Or know from which direction love will call,
    But when it does it should be grasped so tight
    And against all odds for true love you`ll fight.



    Time spent together was heavenly bliss
    But when apart, each other they would miss,
    Love was strong and lasted 17 years
    They ignored any snide remarks and sneers.



    Their love was fruitful and a child was born
    And they vowed to love her from night `til morn,
    She was a `love child` and a dear one too
    And their love for her just grew and grew.



    On good luck and fortune they did depend
    And they got to live together in the end,
    But alas it only lasted for a year
    As a heart attack took her true love dear.



    She never regrets a moment of that time
    Although some people think it was a crime,
    She paid the price in more ways than one
    But from her heart he`ll never be gone.

  • desdemona said on May 06, 2009....
    ...research shows that, in spite of the risks, in america 70% of married men and 50% of married women have an affair sometime during their marriage.....some are one-night stands, of course, and some are involved in intimate relationships that last for a very long time....it is a part of american life that has not been closely examined, and the men and women in these long-term extramarital relationships have had to deal with very complex problems without support or advice.
  • somethingunUSual said on May 06, 2009....

    OMG I'm so sick of this rhyming sob-sister....!!!!!!!!

    Fuck this. Intellectualize all you want. Cheating is fucked up. You're lying to the one who trusts you for everything. That's SHIT! That degrades us all. That cheapens everything we know. That makes every one of us smaller.

    It's cheating on everyone. GROW UP!!!!!!!

  • mOOn_platOOn said on May 06, 2009....

    O

    Thanks to all for a fascinating array of responses. Looks like the question "Have YOU been tempted" was pretty stupid. Who hasn't been? Duh.

    O

  • desdemona said on May 10, 2009....
    duh

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