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Doesn't this make you think?  Wow, where are we technologically?  Where are we headed?  Do we deserve to have this knowledge and to advance? What would happen, realistically, if another habitable planet was found?  What if it was already inhabited by other beings?  How close are we to seeing any of that turn into a reality so it's not just contemplation in our spare time, but realistic issues to worry over?

Scientists discover a nearly Earth-sized planet


Tuesday, April 21, 2009

HATFIELD, England - In a discovery that one expert called "extraordinary," European astronomers reported finding one planet close to Earth's size in a different solar system and realizing that another planet could possibly sustain a large ocean.

European researchers said Tuesday that not only had they found the smallest exoplanet ever, called Gliese 581 e, but they realized that a neighboring planet discovered earlier, Gliese 581 d, was in the prime habitable zone for potential life.

"The Holy Grail of current exoplanet research is the detection of a rocky, Earth-like planet in the 'habitable zone,'" said Michel Mayor, an astrophysicist at Geneva University in Switzerland.

Exoplanets are planets outside our solar system. Gliese 581 e is only 1.9 times the size of Earth - while previous planets found outside our solar system are closer to the size of massive Jupiter, which NASA says could swallow more than 1,000 Earths.

Gliese 581 e sits close to the nearest star, making it too hot to support life. Still, Mayor said its discovery in a solar system 20 1/2 light years away from Earth is a "good example that we are progressing in the detection of Earth-like planets."

Scientists also discovered that the orbit of planet Gliese 581 d, which was found in 2007, was located within the "habitable zone" - a region around a sun-like star that would allow water to be liquid on the planet's surface, Mayor said.

He spoke at a news conference Tuesday at the University of Hertfordshire during the European Week of Astronomy and Space Science.

Fellow astronomer and team member Stephane Udry said Gliese 581 d is probably too large to be made only of rocky material, adding it was possible the planet had a "large and deep" ocean.

"It is the first serious 'water-world' candidate," Udry said.

Mayor's main planet-hunting competitor, Geoff Marcy of the University of California, Berkeley, praised the find of Gliese 581 e as "the most exciting discovery" so far of exoplanets.

"This discovery is absolutely extraordinary," Marcy told The Associated Press by e-mail, calling the discoveries a significant step in the search for Earth-like planets.

While Gliese 581 e is too hot for life "it shows that nature makes such small planets, probably in large numbers," Marcy commented. "Surely the galaxy contains tens of billions of planets like the small, Earth-mass one announced here."

Nearly 350 planets have been found outside our solar system, but so far nearly every one of them was found to be extremely unlikely to harbor life.

Most were too close or too far from their sun, making them too hot or too cold for life. Others were too big and likely to be uninhabitable gas giants like Jupiter. Those that are too small are highly difficult to detect in the first place.

Both Gliese 581 d and Gliese 581 e are located in constellation Libra and orbit around Gliese 581.

Like other planets circling that star - scientists have discovered four so far - Gliese 581 e was found using the European Southern Observatory's telescope in La Silla, Chile. The telescope has a special instrument which splits light to find wobbles in different wavelengths. Those wobbles can reveal the existence of other worlds.

"It is great work and shows the potential of this detection method," said Lisa Kaltenegger, an astronomer at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics.

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Associated Press Science Writer Seth Borenstein contributed to this report from Washington.

Copyright 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed


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  • secretlife said on Apr 22, 2009....
    i thought ths was pretty darn cool-  maybe someday we'll find another planet with life.  i think that's highly likely.....it's a huge universe!
  • travelr712 said on Apr 22, 2009....
    i don't want to discount this 'discovery', i think it's exciting to think we've discovered other plantes. i'm sure other planets exist. but i think it's really premature, and somewhat irresponsible, for scientists to announce that they've 'found other planets' because a distant star dims periodically or they find 'wobbles' in light spectrums when they have no way to confirm that their findings are factual. do i think that it's possible, or likely, that we've been visited by aliens, yes. is there any actual proof of that? no. to color it that it is factual misleads people, and when these discoveries are found not to be accurate, sheds a bad light on the scientific community. i just wish they'd keep it more obviously under the catagory of 'possibly found a planet'.
  • Dauntless said on Apr 23, 2009....
    The existence of other inhabitable planets should be considered as fact.

    To think that we are on the only inhabitable planet in the universe is an obtuse view, it harks back to days when, initially, people thought the earth was flat, then it was proven that it wasn't. Once proven those on high declared Earth as the centre of the universe.

    We've come a long way in both learning and technology since this time, making many more discoveries along the way.

    The presentation of information regarding other planets existing is being taken out of context, I believe, and should be looked at another way;

    Yes, we already know that there are inhabitable planets out there that can sustain life, but what type of life will said planet sustain?
    Also, if said planet is capable of sustaining life, would we find the existence of life on said planet, no matter how small or large?
    What are the implications of the discovery of said planet? What do we intend to do with the information that is presented us?, not necessarily from a scientific point of view but from the view of the human race as a whole.

    Everyone seeks knowledge in one form or another, people are naturally aprehensively curious of the unknown. This leads to the discovery of new things all the time and why can't other planets be included in it?
    Sure, this "wobbly light" may not be completely reliable but what is?

    Science isn't exact. If there's one thing I've learned, it's that there are no certainties in life, not even the sun rising in the morning, an asteroid many times the size of our sun could blot out the human race in a second, (*touches wood* I hope that never comes to pass, but it's a possibility).

    Whether the information this community has presented us with is conclusive or not is irrelevant. What is relevant is that the discovery has been made in the first place. There must be some evidence, some data collated for them to share information about what is going on and what the community is doing about that data and how they are collating it.

    What we should be concentrating on is what this means for us.

    Are we looking to terraform these new planets? It certainly won't be in our lifetime if we do, and the concept of settling on another planet is unnerving but curiously exciting. The main problem with this avenue is that, as a race, we are parasitic in nature, we've already stripped Earth of it's resources and are overpopulated as it is. It's only now that the powers that be are realising this and have actioned measures to combat our parasitic nature. But is it too little, too late?

    I see the same thing happening on other planets in all honesty, we will strip it of it's resources then move on once we have the technology to do so.

    Maybe the goal here is to search for the existence of other life.
    Possibly to make contact with intelligent life it it exists. This brings in a whole new ballgame of questions regarding the safety of our own race and the impact it will have. Is there other life out there? My opinion is yes, I don't need to see proof of this and I don't understand why others need proof either, unless it's for reassurance. Why would we be the only inhabited planet in the vast space that is the universe? There are bound to be planets that have sustained life on them, intelligent or not.

    There's more I'd put down but my post is long enough and I have other things on my mind
  • travelr712 said on Apr 23, 2009....
    as i said dauntless, i believe there are other inhabitable planets in our universe, even in our own galaxy. my only concern here is how the current science is being presented.
  • Dauntless said on Apr 23, 2009....
    I agree that is being miss-presented, of course, but who's to blame?
    The scientists themselves? Those that are presenting the information? The media?
    Each has their part to play in any information divulged to the general populace.

    If I came across as disagreeing with your post then I must ammend.
    I believe it's other questions that need answering regarding the information that has been presented to us. What is going to happen with this information? What does it mean for us? etc.

    It may be that conspiracy theorist in me but I do believe that there is proof of ebe existence, that we do have it and that the government doesn't wish to divulge that information. People don't like change to come so quickly, we panic as a race if it does.  It's wrong, IMHO, for the government to do this in the first place, it's just another control they have over us.
    Control isn't what we need, it's guidance, understanding and leadership, especially in the new times that are coming. The world is changing around us, we are no longer limited to our lonely planet.
  • travelr712 said on Apr 23, 2009....
    well, i personally put the responsibility of how this information is presented for mass consumption squarely on the shoulders of the media dauntless. they want to sell stories, so they sensationalize. since it brings in more grant money, the scientists don't squak much about it. maybe i'm just anal, well, actually i am anal, but i like to point out the degree of what is actually known, so people don't get the idea that the hubble has taken pictures of another planet around another star. when they see the articles, there are always pictures with it, and so that's the impression they get.
  • Dauntless said on Apr 23, 2009....
    This is very true, the media has a heck of a lot of responsibility to the populace.
    Something they know full well but I think that responsibility had taken them in the direction of feeding us all propaganda and disinformation.
    Sure, it's the truth, but a warped idea of the truth meant to shock and awe for enterntainment purposes. Not, as it should be, to deliver real, factual information that we need to be aware of.

    But I digress from the topic at hand. The important thing for us all to do is to extract from the information we are presented, then we can come to our own conclusions.

    There's nothing wrong with being anal about a subject that you enjoy.
    Besides, that's not anal, it's enthusiasm for the subject at hand.
  • travelr712 said on Apr 23, 2009....
    thank you for saying so. and i agree with what you've said here. i think if the media did a better job of presenting it properly, people would get behind what's happening now. the international space station isn't just an experimental platform like skylab and mir, it's a way station. send a vehicle into orbit, which takes @ 80% of the fuel on board, stop at the space station for refueling, then it's 1 day or less to the moon. from the moon base station, it's 3 months to mars. from mars station, it's a month to the asteroid belt, and an incredible amount of raw resources, compounds as yet unknown on earth. humans could spend @ 1000 years mining those rocks and transporting them back to earth. during that time, and the progress it would bring, power sources could possibly be developed to travel to distant stars, where probes have already landed on the habitable planets that we're just now beginning to think we can detect. lay it out like that, and the public might get allot more behind the space program.
  • crybabylu said on Apr 23, 2009....
    awesome find!
  • Dauntless said on Apr 23, 2009....
    This is exactly true! It's worsened by the fact that there are those smaller media companies who actually have information to share rather than getting the populace worked into a panic. It's big money for those big companies so they're never going to change.

    This is the point! Information just like this needs to be shared!

    (About 5 hours later I continue......)

    I'm really stoned and I can't grasp my thoughts right now but I really want to reply to this post. I'm enjoying this banter and exchange of info with you trav, and I hope we have more people sharing with us their thoughts and feelings on this subject.
  • travelr712 said on Apr 23, 2009....
    me too dauntless :-)
  • Hegemone said on Apr 24, 2009....
    Damn, and with all my computer problems I missed all of this while it was fresh!  Ah well, I enjoyed reading it all the same guys.  Very interesting views, and I feel the same way about quite a few things.  
  • travelr712 said on Apr 24, 2009....
    well we can continue the convo if you want hege, it's a favorite subject of mine.
  • crybabylu said on Apr 24, 2009....
    the space program is a really big topic in the city where I live, because of the Cosmosphere that is here.  They do a good job of keeping up with information.
  • Dauntless said on Apr 24, 2009....
    It's good you have that near cry, and a shame that there aren't more places like it locally, but that's government funding for you.

    It's nowhere near as big over here as it is in the states but space exploration is just so fascinating! it's where we are right now and it's where we're expanding, to a degree.

    It's an age-old argument, just think what we could acheive if those larger countries in the world set aside that mistrust and realised that we are a species, regardless of race, creed or religion. I'm sure we'd have far greater knowledge of the unknown than we do now, but hey ho! such is the life of a human being! We're a fickle bunch!

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