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Who is "Big Brother" now?

D6fer posted on Apr 14, 2009 | views: 535 | Tags: politics, Obama, scary, Homeland Security, Janet Napolitano, Big Brother, socialism, president, bed-wetters, spying, Wake Up
During the Bush administration, there was quite a few posts complaining about the Patriot act, and the Department of Homeland Security.
We read about Americans being spied on, wiretaps and such.....but who were they?....we never really heard.....maybe some Muslim extremists.

Well, now fast forward.....Barrack Obama is our President.....Janet Napolitano is the Chief of Homeland Security....and here are some excerpts from a report from that office.

* (U) Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and
adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups),
and those that are mainly anti government, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or
rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a
single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.

(U//FOUO) DHS/I&A assesses that lone wolves and small terrorist cells embracing violent rightwing
extremist ideology are the most dangerous domestic terrorism threat in the United States.

(U//FOUO) DHS/I&A will be working with its state and local partners over the next
several months to ascertain with greater regional specificity the rise in rightwing
extremist activity in the United States, with a particular emphasis on the political,
economic, and social factors that drive rightwing extremist radicalization.

Source

This report should scare each and every American.

Do you think that those that posted against the Bush administrations efforts to combat terrorism will show some of that concern here?        I doubt it.


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Comments

  • crybabylu said on Apr 14, 2009....
    I think this is very scary!
  • beyondtheveil said on Apr 14, 2009....
    d6- You know how I feel about politicians so there's no reason to repeat it. If the Obama administration turns out to be a monster, I'll just add it to the monster list. And regardless of how the next four years go, bush and cheney were disgusting shitheads and bush will no doubt go down as one of the worst presidents. The future can't change that.

    I disagree with some of the things Obama has done and things says he will do, but the republican counter offers are even worse. That's not fair really, the republicans don't presently have a party. We as a country are in a hell of a state on all fronts and the politicians in both parties helped put us there.

    I see more and more people both liberal and conservative saying what Ralph Nader did years ago about these two progressive spend out your ass crooked parties and that is "there's not a dimes worth of difference".

    Oops, I repeated it anyway, didn't I?
  • D6fer said on Apr 14, 2009....
    crybabylu....welcome back!....it is scary isn't it? Who are they coming after next? bloggers?

    Beyond.....I am not sure if you are agreeing with me or trying to justify the Obama administrations actions......Somehow I don't think that there is anyone that was running on the republican side that was anywhere close to a dime in proximity to this.

    Tea parties are everywhere tomorrow.....go to one. 
  • beyondtheveil said on Apr 14, 2009....
    d6- Not defending anyone at all. At least not yet.

    I've been looking at polls lately and don't expect the tea parties to be really effective, but we'll see.
  • lagerlady said on Apr 15, 2009....
    I find this " [those that are]... rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority" especially concerning.
     
    The US Constitution was originally designed with the intention of keeping national/federal government under a system of checks while delegating power to the state and local governments.  We should not consider the people wishing to keep it this way as terrorists.  The more power given to central government, the more rights stripped from its citizens. 
     
    On top of this, President Obama coasted into office on a tide of anti-Bush sentiment, giving him the popular majority.  As he maintains the support of the masses, it can be expected that many will unquestioningly follow what he and his administration set out to accomplish, particularly in the next several months. 
     
    I think we need to keep an eye on the kind of change that is happening.
     
     
  • D6fer said on Apr 15, 2009....
    beyond......the tea parties really do go against the grain of traditional conservatives......mainly because most of us have jobs and are too busy with that whole pursuit of happiness thing to take part in any kind of protest. However, I do think that there will be a significant number of people attending these demonstrations in light of recent events, including the release of this document......There has been a lot of talk on conservative talk radio about todays events....I think that will fuel some fairly large numbers in some cities.....but I think that anything that you will see from the mainstream media will either play down the numbers or exaggerate the number of "extremists"  attending......reporters will actively seek out as many lunatics as they can find and report it as if it is the norm.


  • zykore said on Apr 15, 2009....
    Having been a traveller in your country for a while now, i must say that the USA is sublime in not realising its own self purperpraited fears. its not rocket science. look at the facts. the number of external "terrorist" attacks on your soil over the last 10 years fails in comparison with that has happened from domestic based militias and solo attempts. why is this scaryier then any other shitty thing to possably happen? "Terrorists hate our freedom, their all out to get us, run to the hills children, RUN!". More people are obease in the states then simply overweight, thats scary. More then a 3rd of your population is overweight, thats scary. your news is biased and gives a very poor few of the world, and yourselves. thats scary. the household consumption of waste product is one of the highest in the world. thats scary.

    worrying about pissed off extreemists and fundermentalists (also known as religious belivers and fans of liberty) are the least of your concerns. those taking about Tea parties like theres some kind of revolution comming... please...... the american public on masse want a simple, no fuss life like everyone else. a couple of radicals is hardely the basis for the whole sociaty. 

    Obama, is not a socialist. He is not trying to turn you into communists. The Democrats are not trying to in docrine you to some 1984 esque form of citizenship. you need to wake up and see you are not the only country in the world, certainly not the only one with supposable freedom of speach and liberty for all and most deffinatly not the only one with fucked off locals who hate their government.


  • PieterOpie said on Apr 15, 2009....
    D6fer....  Nothing scares me quite as much as you do; so this is mild by comparison.  You are out there somewhere.....  I hope they know where that is.

    I think it is wise to monitor extreme right wing groups.  History shows us they are capable of insane things.  The Republicans party will just have to get used to the idea they are being watched and accept the fact that sane people are now in charge.   One Hitler in recent history was more than enough and Bush was close enough to that.  I hear they had to shoot a dart into Cheney in order to get him out of his office.  He had a vice-grip on his desk and it took five strong men to wrest him free, he was that desperate.....


  • curmudgeon said on Apr 15, 2009....
    Egad - can't you  libs understand that Nazis were SOCIALISTS???? That's what NAZI stands for! Quit trying to foist your mass murderers on conservatives!

    Yes, I see - it was not OK to profile arab-looking Muslims, but it is OK to profile military veterans, States Rights advocates, Pro-lifers, and anyone else who might disagree with Obama? That's in the grand tradition of Stalin, Mao, Castro and Mugabe- more of your heroes.

    Obama and his ilk are attempting to manufacture a vast right wing conspiracy in order to stifle any criticism of his administration. His syncophants in the media won't criticize him for anything more than his choice of doggie, so now Obama's henchmen are going to pick on rank and file conservative voters, because they need a boogeyman to fight for the next three years.

    Conservatives have been advocating for American security for so long now. To characterize them as a threat is just plain wrong and stupid.
  • PieterOpie said on Apr 15, 2009....
    They were National Socialists and believe you me... they were ultra right wing.  They despised communism and the left.     Maybe it is YOU who needs to read up a bit. 

    Mass murderers can be of any persuasion.  From extreme right to left.  Stalin killed about 30 million of his own people.  He imagined they might disagree with him at some point.  Other were in the wrong place at the wrong time, a terrible sin in a totalitarian system.  Not even Hitler was as crazy as he was.  For some reason Hitler got all the attention.   I think it was those snappy uniforms......  They had marvellous designers those bastards. Very fetching indeed.

    BTW - The only HERO in history I have is Beethoven.  I still worship his work.  Those others you mentioned were idiots, despots and deadbeats.

    Just because I lean to the far left does not mean I fit your idea of what you call liberal.  I doubt there has ever been a system I would call ideal. As long as there is the capacity for corruption any and all systems are flawed.  My system would need to be resistant to corruption with built-in checks and balances.  A near impossible goal. 

    Try to remember I did not vote for Obama.....  I never will.  I am not a Democrat so PLEASE.... stop saying that I am in any way affiliated.  I am not. I am just left wing.... America does not have a left wing.  Just less right wing.
  • PieterOpie said on Apr 15, 2009....
    Did I mention I don't live in America???   I am Dutch and live in Sydney, Australia. 

    I just enjoy poking my nose in your business.   hehehe
  • ALIENated said on Apr 15, 2009.... 
    
Here we go. I get so tired of being right ALL THE TIME.

And regardless of how the next four years go, bush and cheney were disgusting 
shitheads and bush will no doubt go down as one of the worst presidents. The 
future can't change that. 

Nothing could be farther from the truth. When future historians examine all that
happened during the Bush years, without the constant bias of MSNBC, etc., it
will become more and more clear that what needed to be done was done. In
my opinion, Bush will most likely be criticized for not doing enough and 
compromising his conservative principles to placate the whining left. If BO has
his way (socialism / communism), you are probably right. Bush's years will 
simply be referred to as the desolate years before the messiah rose to the
throne.

Part of the stimulus package sets up interment camps with the premise being
they will be used during events like Katrina. However, statements like those of
the current comrade at Homeland Security indicates what these camps will
eventually be used for. 

Try not to feel too deceived or dumb. The Germans fell for the same thing. The
thing that amazes me is that Hitler did a lot of his dealings in backrooms and 
alleys. BO is doing it all right in front of us, with the approval of most Americans
and for sure the mainstream media and Hollywood. He can do whatever he wants
as long as he keeps approving of their sins (abortion/murder, homosexuality,
stem cell research on unborn embryos, yadda ... yadda ... yadda).

Please feel free to say I TOLD YOU SO. You will look so good in one of those
gray prison camp suits. ACORN probably has the contracts to run the camps. It
is payback time, baby. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Hey, why is that black van parked across the street from my house? Is that
guy looking this way with binoculars? Heil Obummer. Sieg heil. Sieg heil.

Someone should make a new movie like 1984 and call it 2014.
  • NobodySpecial said on Apr 15, 2009....

    Hotlinking content is bad internet karma.

    Shame on you, Fox News. Shame on you, Rush Limbaugh.

    You have servers and advertisers. I pay this out of pocket. Get your own damn

    bandwidth.

     

    Besides that from the link, I might know the report you are talking about. If I remember right, wasn't this a report linked to a related report in January about left wing radicals? Radicals and extremist can come from the left,right, up, or down. What's the point?

  • D6fer said on Apr 15, 2009....
    zykore....you are blind.

    P.O.....You are an idiot.

    curm and alien.....you are right on.

    nobodyspecial......this report is an attack on dissent by ordinary citizens in the name of extremism.....it is wrong.
  • PieterOpie said on Apr 15, 2009....
    D6fer.... I think you are a poorly coded bit of spyware.  We need a virus checker and clear you out.  Your programmer, a 13 y/o snot-nosed pimply faced teenager belongs in reform school.

    What in my above post is supposed to be so idiotic you jerk?  Even my remark about their uniforms was observant.  They did have style those Nazis.  You can't deny that.  And remember, Hitler did not hide in alleys.  He was a popularly elected leader in a democracy.  You on the other hand cannot not hide since you are no more than annoying software.  REALLY ANNOYING.  But you are not exactly Artificial Intelligence - are you?    NO... you're not. 
  • D6fer said on Apr 15, 2009....
    P.O.....you compare Bush to Hitler in one breath and then in the next your description of Hitler and his rise to power mirrors that of Barrack Obama.....The Obama administration is full of throwbacks from the Clinton administration, that have already proved themselves in the act of gathering illegal information on their political opposition.....that is very "Hitler" in nature.....your inability to see that makes you an idiot!
  • NobodySpecial said on Apr 15, 2009....
    This is the report right?
     
    (Heard about the other one I was watching the news earlier,but don't feel like looking through 100 pages of link for it right now. Will post it when I find the actual report).
     
     
    BTW: Comparing Bush or Obama to Hitler is ridiculous. Obviously you don't know much about history. Bush would be more like Hitler while Obama would be more like Stalin.
  • D6fer said on Apr 15, 2009....
    yes.....why?....doesn't my link work?
  • NobodySpecial said on Apr 15, 2009....

    Is that the one you were posting?

  • D6fer said on Apr 15, 2009....
    wtf???....where did it go?...thanks....I'll fix it!
  • D6fer said on Apr 15, 2009....
    oh please....expand on the Hitler/Bush Stalin/Obama comparison....I want to see this!
  • ALIENated said on Apr 15, 2009.... 
    
Hitler was a socialist (dictator). BO is a socialist, but not yet a dictator. 
Stalin was a communist (dictator). BO is a communist, but not yet a 
dictator. Bush is a Republican and a quasi-conservative.
  • D6fer said on Apr 15, 2009....
    to me a communist is just a socialist on steroids.....the end result is less freedom and democracy.....Obama is heading down that path.....to compare Bush to Hitler is a joke.....Obama on the other hand has socialist/communist ideas and policies.
  • PieterOpie said on Apr 16, 2009....
    D6fer.....  you know, I can't believe you are actually an adult.  You are just to simple.  How the hell did you get in here.  You must have lied.  Frankly you really shouldn't speak.  Ever.... Everything you say is moronic.

    Alien:  You are just a vicious nasty selfish piece of work who's understanding of human nature is.... well.... absent.  It's off somewhere - on vacation... permanently.

    Like D6fer... you shouldn't open your mouth either. 

    Calling Obama a socialist is so unbelievably silly it defies all reasoning.  It is so steeped in cold-war paranoia it is laughable.

    The only real communists this planet has ever witnessed are the bushmen of the Kalahari.  They shared everything and everyone was 100% equal, and there was no leader and no corruption.   THAT is true communism.  Some christian fanatical groups have come close to it but that is it.  The rest were all insane totalitarian dictatorships born out of desperation. 

    Saying Hitler was a socialist is equally absurd.  He was a megalomaniacal monster who ultimately did not care one iota about the German People.

    The key part of the word socialism is social.... as in society.  It should be for the benefit of SOCIETY and the people who live in that society.  It should NOT try to dictate lifestyle or suppress business.  It should however regulate business so that it does not infringe on the welfare of the society.  In America  it has always been a free-for-all unfettered capitalists playground and that has cost ordinary members of that same  society to suffer either through inability to compete or through poverty or prejudice or by the side effects of industry such as pollution, or as today - recession.   Tighter control over these greedy pigs may have prevented this.

    Of course there will be the inevitable shortsighted conservatives who say that control would have stifled growth and progress.  Probably.  How fast does the human race need to grow or progress?  What is our purpose on earth?  To let business grow so large that it threatens our environment and therefore our future (assuming we care about our children) or to be content and find happiness and peace?

    Must we achieve things that are well out of our reach, like going to Mars when it is obvious we are not ready.  Must one nation be so powerful that it can dictate (as in dictator) to other nations just to advance the economy?  Is that progress?  Or should we as a species strive to take care of all our fellow human beings.  Why is that ideal seen as being weak or pointless.  America is THE most christian nation on earth, yet it does not behave like it as a whole.  In a global theatre it behaves - or did, like a bully and military bulldoser.  It has interferred with sovreign nations all over the world against its own democratic philosophy like a cowardly hypocrite.  It is outrageous. 

    So what can we expect from the capitalists if we continue to allow them to exploit us and our world.  It does ultimately belong to all of us, not just businessmen. The earth is finite.  Resources run out.  Waste products do not vanish on that finite planet.  Isn't it blatantly obvious that it cannot continue without disaster?  It is already having a negative impact.  One  proof is that our oil is running out.  When it is gone - finished.  We need oil for much much more than fuel our cars.  Just about everything that is manufactured relies on some of it.  The same goes for every other limited resource.  Our Helium is almost gone.  No more.  finished.  Yet we still use it for kiddies balloons.  STUPID!!!!

    anyway..... i want coffee.... a renewable resource.  bye.

    DON'T BE SO FUCKING SELFISH PEOPLE!!!!!!!!
  • javadewd said on Apr 16, 2009....
    Oh my god, zykore and PieterOpie don't even live in America and they just sit there and dictate who we are. I don't fucking get that... I just don't... If I was to sit here and say that Australians were a bunch of sad, weak punks, I would figure just an ounce of patriotism out of them, but honestly -- you weren't born here, (z) you haven't been here but maybe a decade. You simply don't get it. Traditions, heritage, history... You know of nothing and have nothing but your own bleak local prospectives to fall back on for experience. You're not Americans and you simply don't get it. Piss off!!!

    Obama is a Socialist -- get over it!
     
  • PieterOpie said on Apr 16, 2009....
    Javadroog,  Calm down loser boy.  Americans are so pleased with themselves when they are referred to as the leaders of the free world and the president the leader of the free world almost as if the fucking free world elected him to that position.  You certainly behave as though you not only lead the world (free or otherwise) but as though you fucking owned it. 

    I think it is fair enough to say that America, well led or not, does have an effect on what happens around the world.  Australia has been involved in two of your stupid wars which in my view had nothing to do with Australia but there we are risking lives and spending our cash.  What for I don't know.  I do know how...  Our previous conservative PM enjoyed licking out Bush's arse.  Bush patted him on the head making him feel like a hero and vaguely legitimate.  He was a horrid little man who like Bush was in power only because they managed to frighten the electorate.  The peddled fear and the voters fell for it.

    In any case, Australia and many other counries were pressured and blackmailed and bullied into going into Iraq.  "You are with us or against us".....  Is that any way to speak to your friends?  How rude and retarded is that?

    Anyway, my point is that you and your president and your foreign policy very much affect what happens in our countries THEREFORE we have every right not only to take an interest (from our point of view) but a duty to express some opinions.

    So I'll just finish by saying I have every right to be here at soulcast or any other discussion board and say whatever I want.  There is nothing you can do about it and you can just go screw yourselves.  This is a truly democratoc process and despite the fact that you would shut me out as is typical of the right wing, you can't.   I rejoice at that simple fact and your noisy objections are music to my ears. 

    ha - ha - ha !!!  
  • javadewd said on Apr 16, 2009....
    When was the last time the Australian military helped win an actual war? When was the last time the Australian navy set up a blockade? When was the last time the Australians did anything but crush beer cans on their foreheads?? America has stepped into shit that nobody else would -- not even the so-called "bad ass" Australians -- from "world outcry" or because the UN wouldn't do their own dirty work. I admit that not all Australians wear dresses like PO, but this hardly validates your opinion on how we should run our country.
  • PieterOpie said on Apr 16, 2009....
    Idiot
  • javadewd said on Apr 16, 2009....
    Hey... You're still a homo.
  • PieterOpie said on Apr 16, 2009....
    I certainly hope so.  Better that than an idiot.
  • javadewd said on Apr 16, 2009....
    A homo trumps an idiot? Only in Australia...

    "Our previous conservative PM enjoyed licking out Bush's arse."

    So this makes you any better. Oh, please! At least I don't use my asshole as a coffin for small furry animals...
  • zykore said on Apr 16, 2009....
    javadewd, we can dictate what and who you are as far as we see it. americans (everycountry in the world come to think of it) do exactuasly the same things. if you ask the american population what they thought of the Iraq people, Afghans, Vietnamese etc, only the most minimal of you would have the slightest idea of what it is to be those citizens.  From an outside perspective, americans are viewed hughly differently to how you think you are by the rest of the world.

    Russiatoday.ru
    bbc.co.uk
    jpost.com
    topix.com
    onlinenewspapers.com
    therealnews.com

    to finish java, not that i have any love or particular interest in PieterOpie's writtings (bygones, PO?) but tainting any opinion that you muster with the phrase "you're a homo".... doesnt quite make your point stand out as that of a balenced, thought out one.
  • zykore said on Apr 16, 2009....
    javadewd, we can dictate what and who you are as far as we see it. americans (everycountry in the world come to think of it) do exactuasly the same things. if you ask the american population what they thought of the Iraq people, Afghans, Vietnamese etc, only the most minimal of you would have the slightest idea of what it is to be those citizens.  From an outside perspective, americans are viewed hughly differently to how you think you are by the rest of the world.

    Russiatoday.ru
    bbc.co.uk
    jpost.com
    topix.com
    onlinenewspapers.com
    therealnews.com

    to finish java, not that i have any love or particular interest in PieterOpie's writtings (bygones, PO?) but tainting any opinion that you muster with the phrase "you're a homo".... doesnt quite make your point stand out as that of a balenced, thought out one.
  • PieterOpie said on Apr 16, 2009....
    Javaduds said:  "A homo trumps an idiot? Only in Australia..."

    Yes, everywhere except in Iran (they don't have gays, and in Texas (their gays are exceptionally stupid).

    Javaduds said: "<"Our previous conservative PM enjoyed licking out Bush's arse.">
      So this makes you any better. Oh, please!"

    NO!! It makes us cringe with deep shame.  Most Australians did not support the war at all.  Watching Howard suck up to Bush is a national disgrace.  A stain on our history.  That Prime Minister was replaced in a land-slide election in favour of the Labor Party.   Thank god!!!

    Javaduds said:  "At least I don't use my asshole as a coffin for small furry animals..."

    What??  The only person I know who did that was Richard Gere - an American.  Our animals are marsupials and they have pouches - if that helps you.  That was a very strange thing to say...... I wonder about you. 
  • javadewd said on Apr 16, 2009....
    Z- I'll agree on your closing, so long as you realize that "Idiot" doesn't win a debate, either... I usually like PO's banter to some degree. I guess I was just disappointed. I did enjoy the response above though, touche' PO!
  • PieterOpie said on Apr 16, 2009....
    Nobody is more disappointed than I.  NOBODY!!  

    Disappointed in America and her policy of profit before all things.  That has been a double-edged sword which has cut non-Americans as much as her own poor and long suffering people while defending the deeds of unscrupulous business men who care only for great wealth and power.  More than 40 million of your citizens live below the poverty line - that is almost twice the population of Australia.  They live in terrible conditions, have no health services available  to them and they cannot afford to educate themselves as well as the rich can; among many other things.  However there is always plenty of money for the military which is used as that metaphorical sword to protect "American interests" - which basically means the interests of the wealthy. 

    America spends a disproportionate amount on killing people with a rellatively tiny amount on keeping the ordinary American alive and healthy.  In truth, that is insane and disgracefully unfair.

    etc etc etc.......... blah blah.... and so forth and so on and on and on... 
  • javadewd said on Apr 16, 2009....
    Did you know that the only terrible conditions are in urban areas mainly in California and New York (west and east coast)? The midwest may have a homeless person or two, but it's hardly a pandemic out here. Hell, Albany and Sacramento hardly know we exist... It's only the other continental 46 states ya know.

    Did you know that emergency rooms in America cost $200 a trip? Not bad for those of us who only visit when we're missing a limb. Now if you want to see the local family doctor, it's about $600 a year... A far cry from the billions that the government wants to inject into a government-run health care system... If you're disabled or on welfare (God bless you), then the government already picks up your health care. It's called MediCare and MedicAid. If you lived here, you'd know that.

    Did you know that many of our military get thousands of dollars for college, not to mention pretty decent hazard pay...? That's why many college-bound kids sign up.

    Is there any other generalities you'd like to throw around that you have no clue about while you're emptying your sub-standard pie hole?

  • NobodySpecial said on Apr 16, 2009....
    "oh please....expand on the Hitler/Bush Stalin/Obama comparison....I want to see this!"
     
    It was mainly sarcasm, but I was also pointing to the falsity of comparing Bush to Hitler, since it is like comparing Obama to Stalin. On a complete overview of policy Bush and Obama are as different as Hitler and Stalin.
     
    As a side not, both comparisons are absurd.
  • PieterOpie said on Apr 16, 2009....
    Bush and Hitler were nothing like each other despite both being fascist Nazi bastards, and Cheney was more like Stalin and Obama is not like any of them.  Actually Cheney is a bit like Hitler and Stalin combined.... with big doses of Satan and Attila the Hun.   All Fury, Hate and "do as I say!!!" but occasionally lurking quietly before pouncing.  Truly a dreadful human being.... without the "human".

    He reminds me a bit of Javadewd.  (dewd??  is that dude?    gawd.....)

    Oh, I'm working on those generalisation you requested.  They are my specialty....
  • javadewd said on Apr 16, 2009....
    Never hesitate to build a straw man, PO... You're just so good at it!
  • D6fer said on Apr 16, 2009....
    P.O......compare the living conditions of someone living below the poverty line here in  the U.S. with any other nation....our "poor" have air conditioning....color TVs....microwaves.....cell phones....and yes as javadewd pointed out...free health care.
  • PieterOpie said on Apr 16, 2009....
    D6fer....  you would not know what your poor had or not.  You lead a completely insulated fairytale life.  Just shut up.  Your a nuisance.

    You guys would make terrific ingredients for a nice Stupid Salad......  

    I'm bored.
  • D6fer said on Apr 16, 2009....
    ha.....I grew up poor.....I didn't know it at the time....you could see outside through little cracks in our roof.....the nails would have frost on them some mornings....but we weren't sniveling whiners....we didn't have health insurance......so go fuck yourself P.O.
  • javadewd said on Apr 17, 2009....
    Shit, my folks got married and had me at 17 years old. They had to drop out of school. My dad worked three jobs at one point. My family was considered 'poor' until I turned 6 and even then we were lower middle-class until I was 15/16 years old. Even I know poor! The difference is that my family wouldn't suck off the government tit. We worked for what we had. It builds character. It is one of the values that I live by as a responsible adult! Had to actually read about me, you'd know that...
  • bloc said on Apr 17, 2009....
    I'm not sure what is so scary about this. They aren't asserting the power to detain these peopel without trials (as Bush did). They aren't asserting the power to spy on them without warrants (as Bush did). And we have had a history of terrorists coming out of anti abortion movements. 
  • crybabylu said on Apr 17, 2009....
    bloc----you make a good point.  ....by comparison...
  • javadewd said on Apr 17, 2009....
    It was inevitable that a liberally ran federal government would look inward for terrorists. There was rumors that this was going to come down the pike since 2006. I think it's just plain sad that a report from DHS specifies veterans as possible right-wing extremists is just plain sad ("The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks") considering I know quite a few guys who have lost friends friends over there and are not happy that the newly elected president and the liberals in general have been making these guys out to be genocidal mass-murders and killers of babies and shit. Again, it's just sad...
  • bloc said on Apr 17, 2009....
    if liberals hate veterans then do I hate myself since I'm a veteran? Seriously this deranged rants aren't helping the conservative cause. 
  • D6fer said on Apr 17, 2009....
    bloc.....don't you find it disturbing that they have basically singled out their political opposition? People against abortion are terrorists? People against illegal immigration are terrorists? 
  • bloc said on Apr 17, 2009....
    It depends. Btw, I don't recall you caring when Bush was doing much worse and actually illegally spying on his political opponents like anti-war groups and environmentalists.

    Let's not forget that these groups are the sources of timothy mcveigh and abortion clinic bombers. What you've shown here does not show any illegal activity on the governments part (unlike the Bush admin which you defended) and it does not show them harassing or doing any other objectionable activity (again unlike the Bush admin).

    I've watched you call people traitors for being opposed to torture or some wars and you are seriously going to try to get a rise of of people with this?
  • D6fer said on Apr 17, 2009....
    Bush spied on political opponents? I have never even heard that allegation before........Now the Clintons on the other hand were caught with illegal info on Republicans and got off scot-free........Obamas administration is loaded with Clinton leftovers including the perp in question (Hillary)

    btw......we killed timothy mcveigh....with the blessing of the conservative community.

    when was the last abortion clinic bombing? and how many were there actually?
  • javadewd said on Apr 18, 2009....
    When did Bush spy on anti-war groups and environmentalists that weren't already doing other illegal activity? I never once saw that worthless bitch Cindy Sheehan get tossed into federal court, have her bank accounts frozen or even tazered in the street. The only thing I saw was her public yipping and yapping and having "wardrobe malfuctions" [wearing a protest shirt inside the People's House is like wearing a shirt that says "fuck the police" to the Policeman's Ball -- it's simply disrespectful] instead of mourning her son, who even conservatives honored as a military hero with a bronze star, so do tell [bloc] how this supports any of your claims?
  • stopmediabias said on Apr 18, 2009....
    Bush did not illegally spy anyone, this is kind of like the torture issue, skim over the headlines and of course Bush was worse than Johnson, Kennedy and Nixon.  If you actually read what happened, it was our government used an effective, legal, and secret program to uncover plots to kill us.  The program was leaked and the children started with the conspiracy theories.  I wonder how many people have been planted because this program was leaked to people who sell lies.
  • kelly said on Apr 18, 2009....
    "Bush did not illegally spy anyone..."

    That is incorrect.  He authorized wholesale spying on the American public via the NSA.  Remember when the NSA tapped all our phones by telling the phone companies that they had to provide access to all their data?  And remember how the phone companies (except for one) just rolled over and did it?

    So, no, that's not correct.  It might not be an intentional lie, but it is false.
  • javadewd said on Apr 18, 2009....
    I'm confused... If the government authorized it, then how is it illegal? Maybe that's where bloc is getting the idea that torturing terrorists was illegal...
  • stopmediabias said on Apr 19, 2009....

    Kelly-OK, valid point you make, but outside of of the reasonable information and the numerous steps the Bush administration took to not abuse this program and make sure it was legal which includes breifing Pelosi, Reid, and others over a dozen times, look at your response logically:

     "He authorized wholesale spying on the American public via the NSA.  Remember when the NSA tapped all our phones by telling the phone companies that they had to provide access to all their data?"

    This is completely false, we targeted Americans and others who were contacting known Al Qaeda and other terrorist affiliated people, but outside of that,.....wholesale spying? NSA tapped all of our phones?....Isn't this immpossible?  How many names are in the phone book that just sound Arabic?  This is a logistical impossibility. 

    The only data the phone companies provided were groups of all calls and their locations. 

     

  • javadewd said on Apr 19, 2009....
    I don't think the NSA gave a shit that I was bitching to my friends about how stupid my parents were acting during their pseudo-separation for example...
  • brettls1 said on Apr 20, 2009....
    If you want to know the truth on racism read this book. Finally someone makes a stands against the blacks. Buy it at frustracism.com
  • javadewd said on Apr 21, 2009....
    You're just batting a thousand, Brett... That's 0 for 3 for your book... Would you mind at least giving a title? Maybe an amazon link?
  • ALIENated said on Apr 21, 2009.... 
    
The big lie he is that Bush did none of the things he did without the approval of
congress, people like Hillary, Ted Kennedy, and Obama (what little time he was 
a senator). Was FDR responsible for everything that happened in the 30s and 
40s, was JFK solely responsible for the Vietnam war, did Carter and Bill Clinton 
act alone to create our current financial problems? No. No president acts 
without lots of approval from lots of people on both sides of the aisle. And that
is why you will never see Bush in front of a jury. The president just approves 
what the congress and the people want. I dare say most people would not 
have blinked an eye about all the supposed torture on 9/12/01. Everyone, 
including Democrats in congress, were onboard to squash the terrorists and 
anyone who backed them even if they were American citizens. The other thing
is you do not bring a knife to a gun fight. That is, you have to match your 
opponent in a war. If your opponent attacks in an unconventional way, you
have to use unconventional tactics to comat that enemy.
  • Misty_Eyed said on Apr 21, 2009....
    Here's the big problem with having what is almost exclusively a two-party system. There's only so much choice between one platform and the other. We end up bickering back and forth about "your guy" versus "my guy" or left vs. right instead of allowing for truly open political debate that encourages more complex thinking and actions.

    It's like what you do to outsmart a five-year-old kid. "You can either have this or that. Which one do you want?" Inevitably, that kid chooses the more appealing (or less disgusting) of the two choices. But what are all those other choices that no one is being offered?

    Bush is not my god, and Obama is not my god either. They are human beings who do make mistakes, and so does our entire government. But I do think Obama will prove his worth over the years, and I definitely reject Lagerlady's statement that he COASTED into the presidency. (The first African-American president in the U.S. and you think he just coasted right into office? Not bloody likely at all!)
  • curmudgeon said on Apr 21, 2009....
    Actually no system is perfect, because every system has to be managed by human beings.

    Members of Congress were kept abreast of the NSA wiretapping program the whole time. It was only leaked when it was politically expedient for Bush's critics. The same goes for waterboarding and secret CIA facilities. Bush really burned the CIA on the Iraq WMD thing (and his decision to install an outsider like Porter Goss) and they paid him back in spades.

    Why does anyone think that the self-described human rights advocate Obama is making nice nice with an organization that historically has an atrocious human rights record?
  • javadewd said on Apr 21, 2009....
    {Raising Hand} Um, because he's a socialist? ... Or a narcissist, or both...?

  • bloc said on Jun 02, 2009....
    What do you think of this report now d6fer? Now that we've seen one of these terrorists murder someone and we've seen those that support these terrorists call the murderer a hero?
  • ALIENated said on Jun 02, 2009....
    What is that suppose to mean (for those of us who are not keeping up)? If you are talking about the guy that shot Tiller the baby killer, you mistakenly call him a terrorist. He is a murderer, like Tiller. Nothing more. He has no bearing on law abiding citizens that want abortion stopped or at least reduced.
  • bloc said on Jun 02, 2009....
    The goal is to use violence to achieve a political end. This is text book terrorism. 
  • D6fer said on Jun 02, 2009....
    bloc....You used the words "these terrorists" I thought it was one guy? I haven't heard anyone call him a hero, but then again I don't watch a lot of network news or anything like that....I do know that there are those out there that think that and that they are in the extreme minority.....but leave it up to our wonderful "unbiased" media to find some nut to go on national t.v. to espouse that view....as far as anyone knows this guy acted alone......terrorists are organized groups.

    Btw......can you tell me what the "political end" is for Al-Qaeda exactly?
  • bloc said on Jun 02, 2009....
    Al-Qaeda wants political power in various forms. They want to control countries like pakistan, and remove regimes like saddam and the saudi royal family.

    Back to these terrorists. It was a right wing radio host that essentially called him a hero. No one on the left had go dig around, we only had to listen to conservative radio. I can give many more examples from leaders or large anti-abortion groups, to radio hosts.

    It's amazing to watch you guys over the years demanding action from moderate muslims against radical muslims, yet when the terrorists are from your political groups you rhetorically dodge confronting them. Telling, very telling.

    Now that this report has proven true you won't even recall your own post. This guy was involved in two groups specifically mentioned by this report, but all you'll do is claim that the lefties are in control of the media. Truly lame.
  • D6fer said on Jun 02, 2009....
    I think the guy that killed the doc is a murderer.....I said so much in a post yesterday by sean.....I don't speak for any group, so I don't have to confront anyone.....I am not a radical anti-abortion person....but I certainly don't want to see it become a viable form of birth control nor do I want my tax dollars going to the cause....again....this is one guy.....how many muslims are a problem for us?....why isn't there muslim groups that speak out against their fellow muslims that are terrorists?.......why don't we hear about Imams telling their followers how great this country is?......why aren't they issuing "fatwas" on terrorists?

    You can not equate this murder to the terrorist movements of islam....no way....if you think that it is even close, then you are a fool.
  • D6fer said on Jun 02, 2009....
    btw....his brother said that he (the killer)has suffered with mental illness....could be an excuse....I don't know.
  • javadewd said on Jun 03, 2009....
    Hey bloc! Is it February 2nd already? Well, how about those army recruiters getting shot down in Little Rock by a prison-converted and FBI known Muslim extremist that "if there had been more recruits out there at the time, he would have killed more of them, or tried to" because "he had a bone to pick with the military officers because of what he perceived to be mistreatment of Muslims around the world."

    Would I water-board them both (this Muslim extremist and the guy who killed the abortion doctor)? Absolutely! They're both terrorists. You have to understand bloc, when it comes to terrorism, the rest of us don't see black, white hispanic, nor blond, brunette, redhead. All we see is their evil and their motives. We're more equal opportunity when it comes to water-boarding than the NAACP is about employment!
  • zykore said on Jun 03, 2009....
    out of interest, do any of you seriously think that "terrorists" will ever be expelled from the world? you talk of evil motives, such as what? "they hate our freedom, they hate our democracy". please, they don't give a shit about your freedom. if it was freedom and democracy they hated so much, don't you think they'd have hit a long time ago? and don't you also think that maybe... just maybe.... yuo're not the only free democratic country in the world? you're not, you're really reaaaaly not.
     
    "Terrorism is a policy or ideology of violence intended to intimidate or cause terror for the purpose of "exerting pressure on decision making by state bodies."
     
    "Violence is the expression of physical force against self or other, compelling action against one's will on pain of being hurt"
     
    The things you see happening that stemmed from a lucky shot 8 years ago are your own ignorance.
     
    The USA is by deffinative terms a terrorist organisation.
  • ALIENated said on Jun 03, 2009....
    Has there been some evidence that Tiller's killer is part of some group out to assassinate abortion doctors? I think he was just a disturbed person (like most murderers) who acted alone in his reprehensible act. As I said, I will not miss Tiller, but I would never advocate using violence to stop murderers like him.

    That said, if you were told by ALIENs that history could be changed, given a rifle, and sent to Nazi Germany in a time machine, would you assassinate Hitler, a man hated because he indirectly murdered millions of people? On a more realistic note, if Hitler had been assassinated in 1945, would you be calling his assassin a terrorist?

    To pro-life advocates, Tiller was no better than Hitler. To advocates of murder (pro-choice), Tiller was a hero. How sick is that? I suppose the big difference in Tiller and Hitler is that war was declared on Hitler. As far as I know, no war has been declared on abortionists.

  • javadewd said on Jun 03, 2009....
    No zykore, they kill us because we're infidels. We could have the exact same beliefs, government, skin color and etc as they do, but it wouldn't make any difference. I have yet to see anybody on SC specifically say that Muslim extremists (Islamic Terrorists) were killing us because we had McDonald's, capitalism or Hot Hooters Calendar Chicks, but keep on truckin'...
  • bloc said on Jun 03, 2009....
    @d6
    "this is one guy"

    But it isn't just one guy. As I said, many are calling him a hero. There have been numerous acts of violence towards doctors in the past decade. They get constant death threats, with people following them, posting their addresses on the internet, etc, etc. It says a lot that the right wing won't deal with their own terrorists. You can see alienated right here implying that killing tiller was a good thing. He won't say it outright, but it's clear to all. Not a peep from anyone. It's a shame. 



  • bloc said on Jun 03, 2009....
    Also, let me mention again that this guy belonged to two groups specifically mentioned in this report. Yet no admission from d6fer that this report wasn't wrong. And again, no reply from d6fer about alientated implying that abortion doctors are like hitler, and that killing hitler is a good thing, therefore ... the implication is clear.

    Why won't decent people on the right speak out against their own terrorists, even when it's advocated on their own blog?
  • D6fer said on Jun 03, 2009....
    hmmmm....lets see.....who's tougher on criminals? the right or the left?......conservatives would hang this guy in a new york minute.......you tout the rule of law....we have laws against this.....what more can we do bloc?....they caught him....he will go to trial.....and he will be convicted.......if he faces the death penalty, I doubt libs will protest this one....neither will I......as I said before....I am not a big anti abortion guy.....I just don't want to see it become mainstream as birth control.....nor do i want to pay for it.

    Can you give me some statistics regarding violence surrounding abortion doctors/clinics within the last 5 to 10 years maybe?
  • bloc said on Jun 03, 2009....

    You don't need statistics, you have someone right here implying that killing abortion doctors is good like killing Hitler and you say nothing. Why doesn't the right hold themselves to the same standards they hold moderate muslims?
  • ALIENated said on Jun 03, 2009....
    bloc, you are the jackass here. The doctor killed countless innocent babies. That is the part of the puzzle that you just do not get. (Stare deep into your children's eyes and think about that.) That is what makes him like Hitler. I simply asked some questions and you are doing all the implying. You not seeing that Tiller is more like Hitler than the guy that murdered him is the strange thing about this. I DO NOT ADVOCATE MURDER. Is that clear enough for you? I doubt it. You, like most jackasses, only hear what you want to hear. This whole deal has nothing to do with Muslims, but it has everything to do with you landing on the wrong side of just about every issue, and accusing everyone else of that. We all get it. You will take any side against America. You will take any side against decency. You are the one standing with one foot in hell and oblivious to your lostness. God knows my heart. I do not need your approval.
  • javadewd said on Jun 04, 2009....
    I guess they have the right to free speech... This isn't Russia... This isn't Russia, is it? No, this isn't Russia... Yet... But thanks for your input, you tool.
  • curmudgeon said on Jun 04, 2009....
    http://www.soulcast.com/post/show/221583/Kansas-Abortion-Doctor-Murdered

    Sorry     to plug my own blog, D6, but I must respond to bloc's broadside about conservatives not criticizing this abortion doctor's murder.
  • opine said on Jul 01, 2009....
    So I'm not sure if you're now admitting that Bush was big brother before?  How does it feel now that the shoe is on the other foot?  Do you now understand why it was such a big deal in the first place???  Do you now see the reason there are powers no single president should ever have?  Do you also understand that while you are reading those reports from the current administration's homeland security office, we haven't yet heard of instances of any "right wing extremist groups" getting hassled by the government undercover of the patriot act.  But it did happen to so called lefty groups, which is how we found out it was happening in the first place. 

    Do you know how most Americans found out about  the report you posted?  They found it out a few weeks after you posted it when a so-called right wing extremist opened fire at the Holocaust museum in DC. 

    And who was wiretapped??  Probably some muslim extremist??  I was wire tapped because I had friends and family in the Army and Air Force who were calling me from the city of Baghdad during a second deployment to Iraq and the country of Turkey, respectively.  They were and are STILL wiretapping any US citizen getting calls from or making calls to overseas. 


  • javadewd said on Jul 02, 2009....
    Let's see, under the Patriot Act, no law-abiding US citizen was ever effected in an adverse way... Only the BAD people were effected. Now under the BOA, Caucasian teenagers are getting picked up for claims of bomb-making. Sounds like the Patriot Act was of good use during Bush's administration, but now in the hands of a fascist / socialist / narcissist like BO, it is being used for rounding up scapegoats and political opponents. Yes, opine, I see very well how the shoe is on the other foot and it more that proves the point of how a corrupt administration with nationalism on the brain will use every good thing that was presented during the last administration and use it to their advantage to chip away at what's left of our liberties. During all of your wiretaps were you ever arrested? I doubt it highly! In the end, under Bush, if you were minding your own business and not planning to do the country harm none befell you, but under the BOA if BO thinks you're a threat -- especially to his political aspirations -- then the Oreo gestapo will take you down.

    Thank you for your input, you tool.
  • opine said on Jul 02, 2009....
    I don't care if I was never arrested, it was an infringement on my rights as an American citizen.  It's illegal search and seizure.    I was never arrested so that is a WIN for an American??? You're not thinking clearly. You're viewing the world through partisan colored glasses. And way to go bringing the discourse to a new low by calling me a tool. Stop calling people names. Stop with the fascism stuff and the socialist stuff. It's alarmist and it's ridiculous. It turns discussions into arguments.  

    My grandmother and her family were in concentration camps in Germany during ww2 for saying the Nazi flag looked just like the Polish flag when she was 6 years old. Her teacher turned her in. SHE knows what fascism is, we here in America have not experienced it. I thought it was ridiculous when people were comparing Bush to Hitler and now it's even MORE ridiculous to compare Obama to Hitler. Get a grip.

    I know someone who was picked up under the Bush Administration, under cover of the Patriot Act because someone else got mad at him at work and called him a terrorist and viciously called the FBI on him.  A government worker,  he was a Lebanese person who had been in the country for 20 years(because he KNOWS how great America is!!) and he and his wife were legal naturalized citizens and his child is US born (and only 5 at the time).  We didn't see him or hear from him for 3 days.  On the word of some angry idiot, the FBI picked him up and held him for 3 days, no lawyer, no contact with his family- not even the famed "one phone call."  Sounds like another victory for the Bush Admin and the Patriot Act.

    Maybe you don't remember all the anti-war protestors in many cities across the country getting arrested for assembling peaceably?  Maybe you don't know about the lists the Bush Admin made about people being "loyal Bushies" or "anti Bush". Maybe you don't know they harrassed a young boy in Ohio for his choice of what they claimed was an "anti-bush" T shirt at school, maybe you don't know they harangued and accosted a young girl from her school because she had "anti-bush" things on her MYSPACE page.  There are many more examples that are unneccesary to name.  I'm not interested in the fight you seem to think I am.  I'm interested in reality and honesty.  The fact of the situation is that at least two CHILDREN were harrassed by the police under cover of the Patriot act.  What you're saying is "only" going to happen under Obama already actually happened under Bush. 

    I love your sudden enthusiasm for wanting to watch the government now.  Thank you for finally joining the rest of us that actually pay attention.  Just do yourself a favor, turn off the talk radio and pick up a book.  Slow it down a little bit.  Watch some CSPAN 1, 2, or 3 so that you know what is really going on instead of letting some idiot news commentator twist the bones in your ear until it's all stupid in there.  Believe me, if the things those talk show hosts and news commentators said were true I'd be just as ticked off as they are.  The thing is, too many times, because I do research on what the government is up to EVERY DAY- I find that they actually do misrepresent facts all the time.  It's pretty rotten that they do it and hard to believe but once you see it enough it finally sinks in that it's happening.

    The Oreo Gestapo. That's disgusting.  You should be a better person than that.  You're an American.


  • javadewd said on Jul 02, 2009....
    The way that Echelon works doesn't capture phone calls of you getting your grandmother's secret recipe for oatmeal cookies, dumbass. It actually captures conversations involving key words that if you and your "friends and family" were talking about such things on an open line then that brings up other problems, like breach of military protocols, so you should care that you didn't get arrested!

    I'd like to know how you knew you were "wire tapped" because with Echelon, it's over open lines and EVERYBODY is essentially "wire tapped." If you were part of an investigation, nine times out of ten they aren't going to notify you that you're being monitored. If they did that to everybody, then the 'bad people' wouldn't use the phone anymore... And then "wire tapping" would essentially be useless.

    The reason that no "right wing extremists groups" have been picked up by the likes of Echelon is because those Bush-loving Christian conservatives that you hate so much don't speak the Echelon keywords over open phone lines and the Iranians are on the other side of the ocean.

    The so-called "right wing extremist" who opened fire in the Holocaust museum was labeled such by the media and had absolutely no ties to right wing anything. He acted alone and he had a screw loose. Curmudgeon more that stated how not just the "so-called lefty groups" but the so-called righty whitey groups as well have condemned this action. The fact that you or anyone keeps harping on this the same week that two army recruiters in Arkansas got whacked by a Muslim extremist just gripes my ass!!!

    If you have names/articles about these folks who were picked up under the Patriot Act during Bush's administration, let's see it. I don't buy your vaporous reports. I can say that my grandmother was beaten by the CIA, but it doesn't make it true.

    Also, you keep slamming Bush, but you marginalize the actions of the BOA. You are just a tool, one with obvious partisan account. Obviously if some angry idiot called the FBI and had somebody picked up on heresay, Bush orchestrated it, right?

    You obviously don't know that the BOA has harassed several businesses over their "anti-Obama" stances, have funneled TARP money to questionable fundraisers, and have also withheld information on Ensign and Sanford until it was politically expedient to make a situation out of it. Don't even get me started on how he's intentionally bankrupting certain troublesome states and capitalist entities with a bully podium and nationalization controls!

    And I love your clever marginalization! Yet, you're using your demigod's tactic of transparency just a little too well, because I can see right through your bullshit!
  • opine said on Jul 15, 2009....
    woah. you really popped some synapses there.  i hate to break it to you but you're not talking to some phantom liberal here.  i'm happy to get you some sources, no problem.  just stop it already with all that hatred.  you're saying way more about yourself than you are about me with what you typed.  I don't worship people in politics.  i only watch what they're doing.  all of them.  I don't care if they have an R or a D behind their name.   
  • javadewd said on Jul 15, 2009....
    So basically here's how you play the game --

    I call you out, therefore I'm a hater.
    I don't like Obama, therefore I'm a racist and wear a white sheet over my head.
    I'm a hard-line conservative, therefore I'm a wife-beater
    I voted Republican, therefore I am drunkard.

    I don't think I like your game, mister.

    I love America and what it stands for (or stood for before the America haters came into power and decided to try to turn it into something that it is not) and I've been railing on BO since he turned out legislation that allowed abortionists to pull a baby's head out of its mother's womb and kill it with a spike and still get away with not calling it murder. I guess because this 'fetus' isn't to term that it isn't considered a "living being" yet and didn't deserve to live and therefore it couldn't be considered murder [source]. That's crap. BO became president and reversed the ban on abortions in Africa [source]. This guy appalls me. He does not give one rat's fat ass about the sanctity of human life and is only in this world for himself.

    You defend him! You marginalize all the negatives. And you're not a phantom liberal? What are you? Some "so-called" middle-of-the-road "I don't believe in either party" fence-sitter that just makes up your belief system as you go along!?

    Whatever. You're just a bad joke. I'm sure one of these days you'll have to stand for something, or live for nothing. Either way, live like there's no tomorrow, I'm sure one day it will never come and you'll be satisfied.
  • bloc said on Jul 15, 2009....
    it's funny watching people who are pro torture talk about the sanctity of life. 
  • javadewd said on Jul 15, 2009....
    Oh, bloc, you're just not happy that we can't torture you!

    I hear eating a bullet is eco-friendly and saves the environment. Perhaps more moon bats should do that and quit torturing the rest of us. Where's your echo Kelly when we need her?
  • bloc said on Jul 16, 2009....
    people see your hatred for what it is. Please keep talking, it only makes us look better. 
  • javadewd said on Jul 17, 2009....
    Hey, let's do what bloc says and just bribe the terrorists into not killing us and maybe they'll just torture us and our families instead!
  • opine said on Jul 25, 2009....
    I thought the best way to get through this was to post your word for  word and then I will put my comments in where they belong. 
    The way that Echelon works doesn't capture phone calls of you getting your grandmother's secret recipe for oatmeal cookies, dumbass. It actually captures conversations involving key words that if you and your "friends and family" were talking about such things on an open line then that brings up other problems, like breach of military protocols, so you should care that you didn't get arrested!  ***OK, in the first place, why are you saying anything about breach of military protocols and that I should care that I didn't get arrested.  What are you implying?  How does this make sense with anything I said to you about having family and friends in the military?  And you do realize you're talking about American Soldiers and Airmen here, right?  I come from a military family.  So get that shitty tone out of your voice.    

    I'd like to know how you knew you were "wire tapped" because with Echelon, it's over open lines and EVERYBODY is essentially "wire tapped."  ***This right here, your own words, is exactly what I'm talking about.  That's how I know.  And they also physically, ear-in-the-phone monitor all of the military's calls home. That's just a fact.  Deal with it.    If you were part of an investigation, nine times out of ten they aren't going to notify you that you're being monitored. If they did that to everybody, then the 'bad people' wouldn't use the phone anymore... And then "wire tapping" would essentially be useless.  where exactly are you getting your nine times out of ten that they aren't going to notify you?  How do YOU know that?  I think you made that up.

    The reason that no "right wing extremists groups" have been picked up by the likes of Echelon is because those Bush-loving Christian conservatives that you hate so much***Where did you get that?  I never used any of those words.  There is no mention of religion of any kind in any of the things I wrote and I never said I HATED anybody.  This is where I realized you were fighting with some phantom liberal.  You didn't even pay any attention to what I actually said.  You made all that up.    don't speak the Echelon keywords over open phone lines and the Iranians are on the other side of the ocean.*** This is gibberish to me.  I don't know what point you're trying to make here.  Iranians?  Explain that one better it doesn't make sense to what we were already speaking about.

    The so-called "right wing extremist" *** when you quote me here you should have quoted all I said.  I myself called him a so-called right wing extemist     who opened fire in the Holocaust museum was labeled such by the media and had absolutely no ties to right wing anything.***That's why I used the words "so-called right wing extremist" and went on to point out most people didn't even know that report you opened the thread with existed before that bullshit happened.  
     He acted alone and he had a screw loose. Curmudgeon more that stated how not just the "so-called lefty groups" but the so-called righty whitey groups as well have condemned this action. The fact that you or anyone keeps harping on this the same week that two army recruiters in Arkansas got whacked by a Muslim extremist just gripes my ass!!!  ****I did not HARP on it.  Where is HARPING?  I MENTIONED it for the purpose I described above.    Again, you're making shit up.
    If you have names/articles about these folks who were picked up under the Patriot Act during Bush's administration, let's see it. I don't buy your vaporous reports. I can say that my grandmother was beaten by the CIA, but it doesn't make it true.****hahahaha- you moron- that's the whole point.  The fucking problem with the whole thing was that he was picked up without any of the proper channels or any of his rights being exercised.  Where the fuck do you think I'm going to get a report on that?  I don't care if you believe it.  That doesn't make it a lie.  And like I'm going to turn over names of people I know to a nutbag like you.

    Also, you keep slamming Bush****I did NOT slam Bush.  I didn't slam him anywhere in anything I wrote.  But it's funny, because the very question you asked in the opening of your thread, the whole reason I read your gay ass blog in the first place was because you were challenging people on if they believed it about Bush then would they admit it about Barack Obama.  Yet you yourself can not admit it about Bush.  And you won't.  Because you're naive and stupid enough to think you can trust someone based on an R next to their name.    but you marginalize the actions of the BOA.*** I didn't marginalize the actions of BOA.  I don't know where you're getting that in what I wrote either.  Was it because I said it was stupid to compare Bush to Hitler and even more stupid to compare Barack Obama to Hitler?  You don't have to translate that into anything else there buddy, those words speak for themselves.  You are just a tool, one with obvious partisan account. Obviously if some angry idiot called the FBI and had somebody picked up on heresay, Bush orchestrated it, right?***Under this logic you show that it also means if someone is picked up under the patriot act or some angry idiot calls the FBI NOW it is also can not be orchestrated by Barack Obama.

    You obviously don't know that the BOA has harassed several businesses over their "anti-Obama" stances, have funneled TARP money to questionable fundraisers, and have also withheld information on Ensign and Sanford until it was politically expedient to make a situation out of it. Don't even get me started on how he's intentionally bankrupting certain troublesome states and capitalist entities with a bully podium and nationalization controls!***What businesses has he harassed?  I'm curious about this because how is he doing it?  Making calls at 3 in the morning, chain letters?  And if this is true, unlike you with Bush, I WOULD hold it against him.  As for the TARP money, that happened on January 16, 2009 according to your own source!!!  What are you stupid?  Obama wasn't even inaugurated until the 20th!!  Barack Obama doesn't have anything to do with Ensign and Sanford.  Where the hell are you getting that?  I'm from South Carolina moron, you can't make up SHIT about the Sanford case.  That wasn't some weird Obama tactic, Sanford wanted to get laid in Argentina by his girlfriend. And he also left the state for 4 or 5 days without transferring power and didn't take 15 phone calls that had to do with the business of my state.  I don't care who he fucks, but he can't just run from his duties. So give that up.  

    And I love your clever marginalization! Yet, you're using your demigod's tactic of transparency just a little too well, because I can see right through your bullshit!***Again, this sounds like gibberish to me.  Where are you getting this from.  Demigod??  haha.  I'm not like you.  I don't worship politicians.

    Now for your latest blathering...

    So basically here's how you play the game --***this is how you have been playing the game.  You're the one that started with the petty name calling and implications.

    I call you out, therefore I'm a hater.***I was calling YOU out because I knew you wouldn't be able to do yourself what you dared what you called BUSH HATERS to do.
    I don't like Obama, therefore I'm a racist and wear a white sheet over my head.
    I'm a hard-line conservative, therefore I'm a wife-beater
    I voted Republican, therefore I am drunkard.

    ***Again, I have to ask, where are you getting any of this? White sheets??  Wife-beater???  Drunkard??? Dude, seriously, What the Fuck?  You can't find that in ANYTHING I have said to you. Besides,  you called Obama the "Oreo Gestapo"  and that IS  racist.  I am calling you out on your hatred because of the snide way and obscene words you were using to speak to me. I decided to use the words you can understand in my responses now, so go on and hate ME all you want. I don't care about that now.

    I don't think I like your game, mister. ***Here's another thing-  I'm a woman you dipshit.

    I love America and what it stands for **Yes, but for some reason you think people who don't agree with you DON'T love their country.  What the fuck is wrong with you? (or stood for before the America haters came into power and decided to try to turn it into something that it is not) and I've been railing on BO since he turned out legislation that allowed abortionists to pull a baby's head out of its mother's womb and kill it with a spike and still get away with not calling it murder(He insterted the clause for the life of the mother which is casually disregarded in the previous legislation). I guess because this 'fetus' isn't to term that it isn't considered a "living being" yet and didn't deserve to live and therefore it couldn't be considered murder [source]. That's crap. BO became president and reversed the ban on abortions in Africa [source]. This guy appalls me. He does not give one rat's fat ass about the sanctity of human life and is only in this world for himself.   ****I think there's something your're missing about late-term abortions.  They're supposed to be used when it is a life and death situation for the mother.  Ya know how all these women die in childbirth, but the baby makes it?  It's because they sacrifice the mother for the baby.  Leaving husbands and children behind without a wife and mother. If you would rather kill your wife during a crisis childbirth, that's a decision you can make.  Some men prefer to keep thier wives and families in tact and after the pain of the whole ugly business has subsided try again for another baby.  You can go on and make up any number of romantic stories about all that, but life is fucking messy and sometimes a choice has to be made.  Period. Not really interested in discussing that topic with you. 

    You defend him! *** It would seem so even more now in this post that I have defended him, but really it's the truth I'm defending.  And common sense.  And rational discourse.  I didn't come with any kind of extremist weird shit like you did against Bush in anything I wrote.  You went all off the chain with all these other topics while I thought this conversation was about big brother and the GOVERNMENT being big brother. You marginalize all the negatives.***  No, no.  Let's be clear here, I'm marginalizing YOU.   And you're not a phantom liberal? What are you? Some "so-called" middle-of-the-road "I don't believe in either party" fence-sitter that just makes up your belief system as you go along!? ***No, I'm not any of that shit you said either.  What I mean by "some phantom liberal" is that I'm not that nameless, faceless person that the talk radio guys(and I listen to talk radio cephus, so I know how they are) and fox guys(and I watch fox news so I know what they're about also) love dumping all this shit on.  Some fake enemy lurking in our streets for you to be scared of.  I don't really there are too many people like that at all.  No more than that fucking holocaust museum shooter.  But you do.  So that makes you stupid.  I was taught to watch "THE GOVERNMENT."  It's the office they hold they should be loyal to, not some lame ass political party.  I agree with some of these people more than others but I trust none of them. 

    Whatever. You're just a bad joke. I'm sure one of these days you'll have to stand for something, or live for nothing. Either way, live like there's no tomorrow, I'm sure one day it will never come and you'll be satisfied.  ***Again, what the fuck is this gibberish?  Did you pull it out of the bible? haha. Just kidding.   I write my congress people and the president, which is probably more than you do.  I watch all the CSPANs and all the news channels read a LOT of articles from reporters and writers of every stripe.  I do research for a living, so I have to watch and read this stuff.  I belong to organizations that support the troops and their families.  I pay my motherfucking taxes.  But I don't believe in your way of thinking and I don't believe in your attitude.  But it's your aneurysm, so go for it. 

    And here's your links stupid. 
    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5987804&page=1   listening to all calls

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/14/national/main2089658.shtml  14 year old questioned.

    http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/analysis.aspx?id=17421 middle schooler anti bush shirt

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa_x.htm  not "wiretapping" or recorded conversation but database of all call records made by all citizens in the US

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=abIV0cO64zJE&refer=
    program started BEFORE 9/11

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,195205,00.html  The ways they have been collecting information on US citizens.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090711/ap_on_go_co/us_domestic_surveillance  **new news

    That will be the last minute I waste on you.  Trust me.
  • javadewd said on Jul 25, 2009....
    Geeze, this took a while to pull apart...

    I thought the best way to get through this was to post your word for word and then I will put my comments in where they belong.

    And I really appreciate the italics and underlining. Why didn't you just write it in ALL CAPS and BOLD to make it just that much more enjoyable to read??

    The way that Echelon works doesn't capture phone calls of you getting your grandmother's secret recipe for oatmeal cookies, dumbass. It actually captures conversations involving key words that if you and your "friends and family" were talking about such things on an open line then that brings up other problems, like breach of military protocols, so you should care that you didn't get arrested!

    OK, in the first place, why are you saying anything about breach of military protocols and that I should care that I didn't get arrested.  What are you implying?  How does this make sense with anything I said to you about having family and friends in the military?  And you do realize you're talking about American Soldiers and Airmen here, right?  I come from a military family.  So get that shitty tone out of your voice.

    First off, if you're talking to your family or friends who are military overseas, they shouldn't be talking about much of anything military over the phone. I know this because I have family and friends in the military and you're not allowed to talk about that shit or you will get you both into trouble. So fuck you, most of my father's family is military. Eat my shitty tone you fuck-tard!

    I'd like to know how you knew you were "wire tapped" because with Echelon, it's over open lines and EVERYBODY is essentially "wire tapped."

    This right here, your own words, is exactly what I'm talking about.  That's how I know.  And they also physically, ear-in-the-phone monitor all of the military's calls home. That's just a fact.  Deal with it.

    And you're not suppose to discuss things like "hey, where you at?" That's why I brought up breach of military protocol in the first place, but you don't listen, you just like to talk and tell other people they don't listen... Quite hypocritical, but let's go with it!

    If you were part of an investigation, nine times out of ten they aren't going to notify you that you're being monitored. If they did that to everybody, then the 'bad people' wouldn't use the phone anymore... And then "wire tapping" would essentially be useless.

    Where exactly are you getting your nine times out of ten that they aren't going to notify you?  How do YOU know that?  I think you made that up.

    No federal agency (FBI, CIA, DHS, etc) can get a warrant to wiretap an individual in this country without the individual being notified and/or it becoming part of public record. The only exception is when the authorities have the records sealed for high-profile cases, which usually don't include terrorism. The Patriot Act postpones -- but does not eliminate -- this process.

    The reason that no "right wing extremists groups" have been picked up by the likes of Echelon is because those Bush-loving Christian conservatives that you hate so much...

    Where did you get that?  I never used any of those words.  There is no mention of religion of any kind in any of the things I wrote and I never said I HATED anybody.  This is where I realized you were fighting with some phantom liberal.  You didn't even pay any attention to what I actually said.  You made all that up.

    You didn't have to, it was insinuated throughout. Not a phantom liberal... You.

    ...don't speak the Echelon keywords over open phone lines and the Iranians are on the other side of the ocean.

    This is gibberish to me.  I don't know what point you're trying to make here.  Iranians?  Explain that one better it doesn't make sense to what we were already speaking about.

    The Patriot Act was introduced as a tool to stop terrorism. Echelon is an independent system that records conversations dealing with national security and to stay one step ahead of terrorists. Caucasians, Christians, conservatives, none of them are the sort to be caught in a "wire tap" or Echelon. They don't readily use Echelon keywords like terrorists.

    The so-called "right wing extremist"...

    when you quote me here you should have quoted all I said.  I myself called him a so-called right wing extremist

    So-called is so-called. Did you forget what your definition of "is" is?

    ...who opened fire in the Holocaust museum was labeled such by the media and had absolutely no ties to right wing anything.

    That's why I used the words "so-called right wing extremist" and went on to point out most people didn't even know that report you opened the thread with existed before that bullshit happened.

    Bullshit!? Bullshit!? Two army recruiters get killed by a terrorist in a parking lot in Arkansas and it's bullshit!? Surely you mis-speak!

    He acted alone and he had a screw loose. Curmudgeon more that stated how not just the "so-called lefty groups" but the so-called righty whitey groups as well have condemned this action. The fact that you or anyone keeps harping on this the same week that two army recruiters in Arkansas got whacked by a Muslim extremist just gripes my ass!!!

    I did not HARP on it.  Where is HARPING?  I MENTIONED it for the purpose I described above.    Again, you're making shit up.

    The fact that anybody screams "domestic terrorist" over this guy plugging an abortionist when actual terrorists are killing our people in broad day light is a disgrace!

    If you have names/articles about these folks who were picked up under the Patriot Act during Bush's administration, let's see it. I don't buy your vaporous reports. I can say that my grandmother was beaten by the CIA, but it doesn't make it true.

    hahahaha- you moron- that's the whole point.  The fucking problem with the whole thing was that he was picked up without any of the proper channels or any of his rights being exercised.  Where the fuck do you think I'm going to get a report on that?  I don't care if you believe it.  That doesn't make it a lie.  And like I'm going to turn over names of people I know to a nut bag like you.

    Well, then I guess your statements are chock full of nuts, too, then!

    Also, you keep slamming Bush...

    I did NOT slam Bush.  I didn't slam him anywhere in anything I wrote.  But it's funny, because the very question you asked in the opening of your thread, the whole reason I read your gay ass blog in the first place was because you were challenging people on if they believed it about Bush then would they admit it about Barack Obama.  Yet you yourself can not admit it about Bush.  And you won't.  Because you're naive and stupid enough to think you can trust someone based on an R next to their name.

    Not my blog, but alright... I believe d6fer was trying to point out that everybody was gravely concerned that everyone's rights would be somehow infringed upon by this when Bush introduced it. Since it didn't happen that way, now that a more radical administration has stepped in with the same tools in place, would anybody show the same grave concern... But I'm naive and stupid and don't read what people write.

    ...but you marginalize the actions of the BOA.

    I didn't marginalize the actions of BOA.  I don't know where you're getting that in what I wrote either.  Was it because I said it was stupid to compare Bush to Hitler and even more stupid to compare Barack Obama to Hitler?  You don't have to translate that into anything else there buddy, those words speak for themselves.

    Nope, I actually agreed with that, but poke the bear now...

    You are just a tool, one with obvious partisan account. Obviously if some angry idiot called the FBI and had somebody picked up on heresay, Bush orchestrated it, right?

    Under this logic you show that it also means if someone is picked up under the patriot act or some angry idiot calls the FBI NOW it is also can not be orchestrated by Barack Obama.

    That's exactly the logic that I was trying to point out to you, congratulations! Which is my point, by the way, Obama can do no wrong in your eyes.

    You obviously don't know that the BOA has harassed several businesses over their "anti-Obama" stances, have funneled TARP money to questionable fundraisers, and have also withheld information on Ensign and Sanford until it was politically expedient to make a situation out of it. Don't even get me started on how he's intentionally bankrupting certain troublesome states and capitalist entities with a bully podium and nationalization controls!

    What businesses has he harassed? I'm curious about this because how is he doing it?  Making calls at 3 in the morning, chain letters?  And if this is true, unlike you with Bush, I WOULD hold it against him.

    Here you go...

    As for the TARP money, that happened on January 16, 2009 according to your own source!!!  What are you stupid?  Obama wasn't even inaugurated until the 20th!!

    Sigh. TARP-I was Bush, TARP-II was Obama. Distribution of TARP-I and TARP-II are both under Obama. Now who needs to get a grip? Bush-hater!

    Barack Obama doesn't have anything to do with Ensign and Sanford.  Where the hell are you getting that?

    The same liberal assholes who were calling for his resignation had the dirt on him for months and waited until their handlers told them before they spilled the beans, right on the heels of his next little jaunt.

    I'm from South Carolina moron, you can't make up SHIT about the Sanford case.  That wasn't some weird Obama tactic, Sanford wanted to get laid in Argentina by his girlfriend. And he also left the state for 4 or 5 days without transferring power and didn't take 15 phone calls that had to do with the business of my state.  I don't care who he fucks, but he can't just run from his duties. So give that up.

    Same liberals, different bullshit...

    And I love your clever marginalization! Yet, you're using your demigod's tactic of transparency just a little too well, because I can see right through your bullshit!

    Again, this sounds like gibberish to me.  Where are you getting this from.  Demigod??  haha.  I'm not like you.  I don't worship politicians.

    Again, not phantom liberal... You... Liberal!

    Now for your latest blathering...

    So basically here's how you play the game --

    this is how you have been playing the game.  You're the one that started with the petty name calling and implications.

    As if you don't imply enough as to your affiliations! Absurd!!

    I call you out, therefore I'm a hater.

    I was calling YOU out because I knew you wouldn't be able to do yourself what you dared what you called BUSH HATERS to do.

    And you were calling me out because you knew than I wouldn't be able to do myself what I dared what I called Bush  Haters to do, which was what then?

    I don't like Obama, therefore I'm a racist and wear a white sheet over my head.
    I'm a hard-line conservative, therefore I'm a wife-beater
    I voted Republican, therefore I am drunkard.

    Again, I have to ask, where are you getting any of this? White sheets??  Wife-beater???  Drunkard??? Dude, seriously, What the Fuck?  You can't find that in ANYTHING I have said to you. Besides,  you called Obama the "Oreo Gestapo"  and that IS  racist.

    When black is white and white is black. There's a black cloud over Washington DC. It's as plain as black and white. Oh, and I'm suppose to be a racist!? I'd call you a reverse racist, but there's nothing reverse about it, you're just a racist!

    I am calling you out on your hatred because of the snide way and obscene words you were using to speak to me. I decided to use the words you can understand in my responses now, so go on and hate ME all you want. I don't care about that now.

    Obviously you do or you wouldn't have bothered to respond. Now you make less sense.

    I don't think I like your game, mister.

    Here's another thing-  I'm a woman you dipshit.

    Good call! Are you a homo from Sydney, too? I guess you feel that now I'm a sexist because I didn't know you were a woman. Oh, this is so rich!

    I love America and what it stands for...

    Yes, but for some reason you think people who don't agree with you DON'T love their country.  What the fuck is wrong with you?

    Oh, nothing, I guess...

    ...(or stood for before the America haters came into power and decided to try to turn it into something that it is not) and I've been railing on BO since he turned out legislation that allowed abortionists to pull a baby's head out of its mother's womb and kill it with a spike and still get away with not calling it murder (He inserted the clause for the life of the mother which is casually disregarded in the previous legislation). I guess because this 'fetus' isn't to term that it isn't considered a "living being" yet and didn't deserve to live and therefore it couldn't be considered murder [source]. That's crap. BO became president and reversed the ban on abortions in Africa [source]. This guy appalls me. He does not give one rat's fat ass about the sanctity of human life and is only in this world for himself.

    I think there's something you're missing about late-term abortions.  They're supposed to be used when it is a life and death situation for the mother.  Ya know how all these women die in childbirth, but the baby makes it?  It's because they sacrifice the mother for the baby.  Leaving husbands and children behind without a wife and mother. If you would rather kill your wife during a crisis childbirth, that's a decision you can make.  Some men prefer to keep thier wives and families in tact and after the pain of the whole ugly business has subsided try again for another baby.  You can go on and make up any number of romantic stories about all that, but life is fucking messy and sometimes a choice has to be made.  Period. Not really interested in discussing that topic with you.

    My wife's a nurse at a childrens hospital and even disagrees with this point you're trying to make here. Late-term abortions have nothing to do with the barbaric legislation that Obama passed as a senator -- and she's left of center.

    You defend him!

    It would seem so even more now in this post that I have defended him, but really it's the truth I'm defending.  And common sense.  And rational discourse.  I didn't come with any kind of extremist weird shit like you did against Bush in anything I wrote.  You went all off the chain with all these other topics while I thought this conversation was about big brother and the GOVERNMENT being big brother.

    Truth. Heh. Truth you say... I guess since truth to you is subjective, then common sense and a rational discourse is simply what you construct then.

    You marginalize all the negatives.

    No, no.  Let's be clear here, I'm marginalizing YOU.

    All the negatives and anything I bring up. This is how you carry your views, no one who disagrees is valid. So liberal, yet so predictable.

    And you're not a phantom liberal? What are you? Some "so-called" middle-of-the-road "I don't believe in either party" fence-sitter that just makes up your belief system as you go along!?

    No, I'm not any of that shit you said either.  What I mean by "some phantom liberal" is that I'm not that nameless, faceless person that the talk radio guys(and I listen to talk radio cephus, so I know how they are) and fox guys(and I watch fox news so I know what they're about also) love dumping all this shit on.  Some fake enemy lurking in our streets for you to be scared of.  I don't really there are too many people like that at all.  No more than that fucking holocaust museum shooter.  But you do.  So that makes you stupid.  I was taught to watch "THE GOVERNMENT."  It's the office they hold they should be loyal to, not some lame ass political party.  I agree with some of these people more than others but I trust none of them.

    I'm hardly fake, you're hardly fake. Exactly what sort of straw-man scenario are you trying to set up here? By the way, if I listen to any conservative talk-radio I listen to Glenn Beck. I don't watch TV. I read plenty, but not the liberal papers. This is exactly what gripes my ass, here you are saying how I don't listen to what you say and make up shit about you, yet you're no different. You formed your opinion about me the same as I formed it about you, yet I'm wrong. Next you'll say you "sank to my level," which is more bullshit. Need a shovel? It's getting thick!

    Whatever. You're just a bad joke. I'm sure one of these days you'll have to stand for something, or live for nothing. Either way, live like there's no tomorrow, I'm sure one day it will never come and you'll be satisfied.

    Again, what the fuck is this gibberish?  Did you pull it out of the bible? haha. Just kidding.

    Okay, that was a joke... I think... Ha ha...?

    I write my congress people and the president, which is probably more than you do.

    Which again, not only do I write my congress people, but I talk to them on the phone, go to lunch with them, went to church with them until I moved a few years back to marry the love of my life. I know my senators and representatives, they're clients of my business and friends to my family, and yes, they all have "R" next to their names, but I've been known to befriend people who do not.

    I watch all the CSPANs and all the news channels read a LOT of articles from reporters and writers of every stripe.

    I'm glad you have that kind of time on your hands, or at least it's part of your job... I simply do not.

    I do research for a living, so I have to watch and read this stuff.

    Seems there are quite a few people on here that claim that occupation. What is SoulCast? Some sort of "researchers' blogsphere" or something less specific than that?

    I belong to organizations that support the troops and their families. I pay my motherfucking taxes.  But I don't believe in your way of thinking and I don't believe in your attitude.  But it's your aneurysm, so go for it.

    Congratulations, I don't feel like surrendering my personal sovereignty (ask bloc, he's good at it) and listing all the organizations that I'm a part of, but none of them are the KKK, so you can bite my ass. Again, I wish I had time to have a good aneurysm...

    And here's your links stupid.

    Thanks for pointing out everything I have been pointing out to you, but hey, knock yourself out research woman...

    That will be the last minute I waste on you.  Trust me.

    Doubt it.

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