• diabolicdame said on Mar 23, 2009....

  Yes you're right to be worried and angry but I dont think you can do anything.. she'll just do what she wants anyway.. if its about to be a mistake, she'll only come to her senses after she's already made it. Women are like that. Just try if you can to minimise the damage that guy causes.. financially or otherwise.

• Lioness said on Mar 23, 2009....

  You have every right to be worried rupe [dropping formalities as requested :)],no one could accurately tell if he is telling the truth, or if he's just out to victimize some vulnerable women. I mean there's lots of stories about being "used". I just hope she's wise enough to decipher the real intentions of the guy.

• rupert7 said on Mar 24, 2009....

  diablo - "she'll do just what she wants anyway." You hit the nail right on the head there! She is STUBBORN, just like her mother was! Thanks diablo.
  
  Lioness, No its not possible to know what his intensions are....maybe it will be a happy ever after story. I hope so. Thanks.
  

• MsStar39 said on Mar 24, 2009....

  You have a definite right to be worried, this is just another scam, I just did a blog called Just Reward that you should read. this lonely woman met this Nigerian on the net,He took her for a lot of money. Get his name and the supposed company he works for, check him out on your own.

• superbozo said on Mar 24, 2009....

  G'Day mate. That would have me worried too. I think your right to suspect his motives. Maybe you could get her to suggest that she would like to live in Spain and see what happens then. What part of spain is he in? I think MsStar is right. If he works as a travel consultant/agent he should be easy to trace with a name and company name.

   All you can do is be there for her mate. You say she is so stubborn she will go no matter what. Check out  http://www.scamwatch.gov.au/content/index.phtml/tag/DatingRomanceScams

  I have heard that some will ask for money just before the trip to help organise something. They will meet you at the airport even ask for money or hope to get an expensive gift then disappear. Could not find examples of that on that site but I've read it some where.

  Lets hope though that he is genuine. *fingers, toes, legs crossed*

  Good Luck

   

• Hegemone said on Mar 24, 2009....

  Rupert, I think you've got a right to be worried.  I hate to say it but there are so many scammers out there, and I regret saying this even more, but I've heard reports on quite a few Nigerians posing as this person or that person, swindling people out of money and then disappearing.  It's not just Nigerians, but I've read about quite a few in the past few years.  Your sister really needs to keep herself in check and if she just HAS to go see him, maybe she shouldn't go alone, you know?  Good luck with this, I hope it all works out for the best.

• uniquely-ironic said on Mar 24, 2009....

  Yes! I'd be worried sick.  If he was sincere about meeting her he could have easily gotten a visitor's visa and traveled to her.  If he's in the travel business that should have been a no brainer. 
   
  I'm less worried about the age difference, but the fact that he's pushing to wed is a red flag.  If it was/is love it would stand the test of a small wait so that she could see it's not just a passing fancy.
   
  I hope things turn out okay for her, but I am siding with you on the worry part.

• rupert7 said on Mar 24, 2009....

  MsStar39 -  My sister just told me of this, she is going on the 10th April. Once my sister makes her mind up it is set in granit! He won't scam any money out of her,she is broke. Well she will be once her air fare is paid. Hey...he might even be genuine, but I really doubt it. If he is looking for a ticket into Australia, well,its not that simple.
  
  super - My crazy sister says if her heart gets broken,at least she will feel something! She is very lonely...sigh. And she says she will have a holiday as well. I can't stop her,her mind is made up. The leaves on the 10th April. She won't hear a word about scams. Thanks for the link.
  
  Hege -  Nigeria has a bad reputation for scams,I know,so does my sister! She showed me a picture of this man. He looks like a regular guy but Jack the Ripper probably did too! I don't have a passport and could not afford to go anyway,there is no one else. I keep thinking, if he is so darn keen,why doesn't he come here to meet her? She has made her mind up and thats that I'd afraid.
  
  uniquely - I am worried sick but there is no changing her mind. How can you seriously fall in love after chatting for a month! I am thinking he wants to get permanent residency here in Australia, what you would call a "green card." If that is the case he won't find it so easy. I sure hope things turn out OK too. Can't believe this is happening.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

• LonelyWanderer said on Mar 24, 2009....

  hey, the best you can do is advise her as much as you can, be careful not to be to forceful with your views though, as you say she is a grown woman and she will do as she wants in the end. But as long as you make sure that she has thought everything through then I'm not sure that there is anything else you can do, bar going with her! But yes, you are right to feel worried!

• renegadekid said on Mar 24, 2009....

  Ive learned from friends being burned. When a person hears the word Nigerian turn and run away as fast as you can. Dont look back. I have had dealings with them myself. Fortunatly I didnt give into their wants. I hope its not to late for your sister.
  Good luck, I to am very stubborn but eventually common sense kicks me in the butt. Im sure it will with her also

• cntlvmenuf said on Mar 24, 2009....

  Oh NO NO NO!!! But of course he knows she is broke! He also knows she has family! So even worse than scamming her he can hold her for ransom!! And forget the picture! Heck, all I can pull ANY pic from the net and poise it as mine and if you've never met me you never would know.
  
  Maybe the guy is genuine and wants residency....wouldn't have been easier then for him to meet her in Australia? And why subject her to such a flight since am sure she's already told him about her condition?
  
  Its sad that its come to this....trying to reign in an adult. See if you can get his number from her, also if you can get his name and see if you can google it. If you know what city he lives in you might even consider consulting the authorities. If he is a genuine guy, he should appreciate you going to all the effort to protect your sister. May be its nothing....but its better to be safe than sorry.
  

• travelr712 said on Mar 24, 2009....

  yes, you should be worried. if he is sincere, i'd say he'd never let her take on that much debt just to go see him in hopes that there was something there. what if it doesn't work out? then she still has the huge debt and nothing to show for it, and it's a constant reminder of the event.

• HollyGoLightly said on Mar 24, 2009....

  oh dear god *rupe*~  this guy is total b.s.!!  he positively REEKS!  If that were my own sister I would do anything possible to keep her from boarding that plane. It's all well and good to say she's grown and we should stay out of her business...but there have been so many good points made here that I would echo the sentiment of. For instance, extremely uncharacteristically, I once agreed to meet someone I had chatted with on-line for over 6 months. He lived in Alaska. But, we had had phone conversation, and HE suggested...which was the right way to do it...that HE come to my town ( I would be on my own turf, so to speak, with my "peeps" around and aware...), and he would get a hotel room (not stay with me & my family). This was years & years ago...and even still I was worried, but everything was perfectly fine. He was a wonderful person, who came back several times to visit, always doing it the same way (btw- also very important-I never paid for anything, which if a guy is authentic, is how it should work when visiting), never ever hurt or disrespected me ( in fact ended up proposing LOL). But I realize that one chance I took, turned out lucky.
   
  **He should come to her if he's so interested.
   
  **Perhaps, you should suggest (even if it's only to smoke him out...) that you
  accompany your sister for this meeting. It's not unheard of, and in many families and cultures, it would be insisted upon...even if you never went through with it, it would be interesting to see what he does, if you were to phone him and TELL him (not ask him ) that this is how it's going to work...
   
  **If he is in the "travel" business, it's an obvious that he could easily make the trip, so why would he ask her?
   
  **She would be much safer to meet him on her own turf...
   
  **She could very well be kidnapped...and sorry to say...but this is happening to more and more caucasian women then ever before, as they travel abroad, kidnapping and sexual slavery. I did a study on it not too long ago, it's frightening, for ANY woman.
   
  **She is extremely vulnerable because she is lonely. I wonder what it would take to make her see this for what it is ??
   
  I'm so sorry *rupe*~I'll be praying for you both, and best wishes for all to turn out safely.
   
  *~*Holly*~*

• bluegum said on Mar 24, 2009....

  g'day Rupert my thoughts on this is the same as others ,this fella is a con i would try too check him out through the police they might know about him ,says he is a travel consultant ask some questions tell him you'l have to go with your sister see how he responds ask for a picture,name etc.blue.

• fragglesrock said on Mar 24, 2009....

  this is so sad for you.  unfortunately people don't seem to want to see the truth of a situation sometimes, and it sounds like that is what your sister is doing.  i really, really, encourage you to do what holly suggested and try to "smoke him out".

• CreativeWoman said on Mar 24, 2009....

  Rupert,
  The red flag for me is that if he has travel connections, he should be able to come to her.  It might be worth checking him out.  Have you Googled his name or travel agency?  I think a call to police wouldn't hurt either. 
  
  I would be worried and angry too.
  
  CW
  

• rupert7 said on Mar 24, 2009....

  TO ALL OF YOU!
  
  I am overwhelmed with your wise advice and good wishes. I will speak with my sister when she finishes work today and see if I can learn more about and maybe contact Mr. X in Spain. I reall appreciate everyones input more than you can know.
  

• PieterOpie said on Mar 24, 2009....

  NIGERIA????!!!!  H..H.HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! HAHAHA!!!  OMG!!!  HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
  
  GOODBYE $3000..... GOODBYE STUPID SISTER..... GOODBYE SWEET INNOCENCE.....    HELLO PAINFUL LIFE-LESSON........  HELLO DEVASTATED FEELINGS.......   HELLO?????  
  
  Let her go.  If she's too stupid to work out that this guy is a dirty scum predator who preys on desperate idiots starved for attention then she needs to lose some money in order to learn a valuable lesson.  The rotten part is he'll get the money.  If you must save her, tell her to ask ANYONE else.  Anyone with half a brain, what they think of this "brilliant" plan....  Good luck. LOL....
  

• HollyGoLightly said on Mar 25, 2009....

  *pieter* must you spend EVERY free moment of your life hopping from blog to blog shatting your nastiness down on everyone? Is it possible that there just might be something positive that you can contribute to the world BEFORE someone blows your damn head off ? hmmmm?

• PieterOpie said on Mar 25, 2009....

  shatting???? 
  
  Must I?   Yes, I suppose I do.  No one is going to blow my head off dear.  The situation is funny to me.  This stupid woman won't listen to her caring brother and she is rushing in where angels fear to tread and it's so dumb it's hilarious.  Stupid people are their own punishment.  I feel for Rupert but frankly he has an idiot for a sister.  That's not my problem.  In any case.... the whole thing might be a complete fabrication.  I don't even know Rupert is real.  He can block me if he wants to.  You should pull your head in and post your bit and get off my case.
  

• rupert7 said on Mar 25, 2009....

  HOLLY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT. I ASSURE YOU I AM REAL AND THIS PROBLEM IS REAL. My sister has had a lot of personal problems,including the sudden death of our mother,who she was very close to. She has had to bring up two sons without a husband to support her. She has taken herself off of antidepressant medication,and that may partly explain her current behaviour. I have learnt from this that PieterOpie is at very best an  insensitive ignoramus. That is a  revelation to me.
  
  Pieter -  I wish this were a fabrication, a lie. Thank you for giving be permission to block you,so kind. Will I? dunno yet. Is there any reason why I should not?...I kinda doubt it. At the very least, leave Holly, and preferably me alone from now on. Ciao.
  

• PieterOpie said on Mar 25, 2009....

  I am NOT an ignoramus.   I  AM, however very insensitive, that is true.   
  
  I will leave you to it.  
  

• rupert7 said on Mar 26, 2009....

  I think my sister has come to her senses,others as well as I have spoken to her about this matter,along with the fact that the cost has blown out and she has not heard from "lover boy" for 5 days. I think it is pretty safe to say she will  not go, and best of all,from my viewpoint is that she seems ok with that. There is another aspect which I have not mentioned and will not. I spoke with Julie today and I am a lot happier now. Emotianally drained, and someones comment did not help me at all,still no matter. I think,I hope she won't change her mind again. Hopefully he will not contact her anymore. Non of this is made up,it is all very,very real.
  
  
  

• PieterOpie said on Mar 26, 2009....

  Well in all seriousness Rupert.... THANK GOD!!!   I am very relieved for you.  You have to sabotage her internet capabilities if this is a taste of what's to come with her.  There are a lot of con men out there and they are not always as obvious (and famous) as the ones from Nigeria. 
  
  And... let's get passed that little tiny itsy bitsy misunderstanding eh?  It was just in jest that went too far.  I apologise and promise to reform - a little..... for a while... a short while....  KIDDING!!!!    I promise never to make fun of your sister again.  I will concentrate all my future efforts on you directly.  hehehehe......
  
  
  

• rupert7 said on Mar 26, 2009....

  Pieter - done deal! 

• PieterOpie said on Mar 26, 2009....

  WOO HOO!!!!   
  
  
  
  I think I love you now......  is that wrong? 
  
  KISSY KISSY KISSY KISSY KISSY!!!!!
  
  me so happy now     
  
  
   • •
  \__/
  

• LonelyWanderer said on Mar 26, 2009....

  Hey..it's good to hear that she seems to have come to her senses! Lets hope it remains so!

• rupert7 said on Mar 26, 2009....

  Pieter - Oh well... that makes 2 out of 6 billion! LOL
  
  Lonely - Yeah....I think tha fact that he has gon from contacting her twice a day everyday to silence for 5 days, coupled with the fact he expects her to go to him and he is unwilling to come to her might have got her thinking a bit!
  

• superbozo said on Mar 26, 2009....

  G'Day mate. Good news. Hope your feeling better today. Take Care.

• rupert7 said on Mar 26, 2009....

  G'day super.......yep a couple of things happened that brought her to her senses (I hope) thanks

• PieterOpie said on Mar 26, 2009....

  Stone the bloody crows cobbers; I didn't realise you blokes were aussies.  Fairdinkum mate.... if that don't cook a burrah!!!   Struth...  how much can a koala bear?    har har har haahhrrr....   PHHFFFAAAAARRRRTTT!!!!
  

• rupert7 said on Mar 26, 2009....

  Pieter....yea an We all have a few roos loose in the top paddock so ya better watch out! LOL -  did ya know Lucy is one of us too, an Phoebe. This keeps up we will be bigger than the Kelly gang! hahHAHA

• PieterOpie said on Mar 27, 2009....

  CRIKEY!!!!   What a bunch of galahs!!!  LOL....   It'll be busier in 'ere than the only dunny at the track on Cup Day....

• rupert7 said on Mar 27, 2009....

  Too right but some of us are too slow to keep worms in a tin! LOL

• PieterOpie said on Mar 27, 2009....

  Look..... I am Dutch and gay and I can only keep this up for so long.  OK? 
  
  I'm done being all bloke-ish......  It's hard work.  
  
  PHEW!!!    I'm exhausted.....
  

• rupert7 said on Mar 27, 2009....

  Pieter - take 5 sweetie! lol

• HollyGoLightly said on Mar 31, 2009....

  Hi *rupe*!!

  I've been MIA for a few days and haven't been able to respond until now. Well, thank god your sister saw the light!!  Hopefully, she will realize her worth, as a woman, a person, and a mother, and not allow herself to be taken in so easily because she is lonely. I understand many of her circumstances, and feel extremely empathetic towards her, as I raised all of my kids for near the entireity (sp?) of their lives as a single Mom. The lonlieness can be hell, even if it is self-imposed at times.

  She is so lucky to have the love and support of you, dear *rupe*!!  you take a deep, cleansing breath now, put your head to rest for a bit (may I rub your temples for you??   ;)  lol)

  (btw)~ I have NEVER doubted your reality, nor your sincerity my friend~ we have been friends too long 4 that kind of nonsense!! (((hugs)))   In any case, THANK YOU for taking up for me with our resident  flying Dutchman, lol...

  **Pieter**~  very happy to see that despite the "shatting",  (LMAO), you do seem to possess a sense of humor and a quick wit. You can be very entertaining when controlled by medication. My grateful thanks to your clinician!   ;) 

  *~*Holly*~*

• PieterOpie said on Mar 31, 2009....

  I love my pills.........  I call them my "happy pills".............  (they make other people happy too)  
  
  Rupert has a sister????? 
  

• rupert7 said on Mar 31, 2009....

  Hi there Holly! Good to hear from you, is all well M'Lady?  Thank you for your understanding of Julie's circumstances, I am sorry it is possible because you have been there too.And thank you for believing in me. {{{hug}}} I am not a pretender of any sort, just a real and worried brother. Since Mom died, I am pretty much all Julie has,other than her kids. We are very close. Any time you are threatened M'Lady, just scream and I will don my rusty armor and speed to your aid....now where shall I lay my head while you rub my temples?? LOL
  
  Pieter -  be careful Knave! LOL
  

• PieterOpie said on Mar 31, 2009....

  yes ma'am........   

• rupert7 said on Mar 31, 2009....

  Pieter -  execellent!!!!

• PieterOpie said on Mar 31, 2009....

  hee hee hee hee heeeheheeeehehehe he he  hahaha haha ha ha HAHAHA HA HA HAHAHAHA HAAARR HAHAHAHAAAHHAAHRRR  HAARR HAHARR MWHUHAHAHAHA MWHAAARRR MWMUHHAARRRDEEHARR DEEHAAHOHAOOO HEEEE HEHEAOHA HOOHEEEEE <couch>...... <gag>... heeerrrrrrkkkk..... <choke>....kkkkeerrrrkkkee.......<gasp> <gag>......kkkkrr..... . . .... .  . .....   . ... . .   . . . ...... . .. . . . . .    ...... . .kk . . . . . . <chrrrrroooorrrrkkkkkarrk>.... . .   ---------------------- ••••••  --- 
  ...            . . .         ....     :::::::: = ====!!!!!!!!!...  ???  ++-------     ...             ...!!!
  
                ?                                                      eeerrff                       iiiip
  <GGAAASSSP!!!!>    .... THUD!!!!!
  

• PieterOpie said on Mar 31, 2009....

  I don't feel so good..........
  
  : (
  

• rupert7 said on Mar 31, 2009....

  Pieter........ hold your breath for 13 minutes and you will be fine!!!

• PieterOpie said on Apr 01, 2009....

  13 MINUTES???     HA!!!   Are you completely crazy?  What's wrong with you?  My god!!!
  
  I can do better than that......
  
  eeeeeeeeeehhhhhhHHHGUUULPP!!!!!.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (10 seconds). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (20 seconds). . . . BWWWAAAHHHH....
  
  
  How'd I do? 
  

• rupert7 said on Apr 01, 2009....

  Pieter....  are you OK?...Oh no! - could I be charged with long distance murder if he died trying to hold his breath 13 minutes??

• PieterOpie said on Apr 01, 2009....

  Oh don't be such a drama queen (that's my job).  I lasted 22 seconds.   I just need some practice, that's all. 
  
  BUT........  I choose to do THAT....... in private.  
  
  bye bye
  

• rupert7 said on Apr 01, 2009....

  Pieter....22 seconds? your a smoker as well as a joker. For incentive, try putting your head under the water, total submersion for say 222 seconds!

• PieterOpie said on Apr 01, 2009....

  Ehhhhh..... Ru-PerrrrT.   I have been doing a little Google research and I think you might be trying to... to eh, well...... kill me;  indirectly of course,  You want me to be both victim and main suspect..... DON'T YOU!!!???   ADMIT  IT!!!!!
  
  Pretty clever really.  BUT it is not going to work Ru-pert.....   You're just going to have to find some one else to kill me.    Good night!!!!
  
  
  

• rupert7 said on Apr 01, 2009....

  Pieter -  your good!...ya caught me!Or did you? how many corners has a circle?
  

• PieterOpie said on Apr 01, 2009....

  How many corners has a circle?  I assume there is a valid reason for asking me this.    OK... let me think.  Ehhhhhhh  ONE.   No wait.... ZERO.... no....  an infinite number of corners.   Unless you mean in degrees.... in that case it is FOUR.  
  
  Did you get that?  My answer is:   One, Zero, Infinite or Four.  
  
  Pretty clever eh?
  

• HollyGoLightly said on Apr 01, 2009....

  *rupert*~  you are, my friend, the last of a dying breed...most gallant in every way, and that wife of yours better hold you tightly and appreciate the hell out of you  !!!    :)

  I appreciate & will keep in mind that I may scream for you in your armour, as this may very well come in handy...LOL

  and with regards to the laying of your head, are you a breast man (ample room there, nice view of cleavage), or a lap man (not as ample as breasts, but nicely rounded, fairly soft, also good view of breasts...)  LMAO!  ;)

  *Pieter*~ thank god for happy pills...yours and MINE...need them each day to survive in Holly-world. Whew!  You guys & your banter have my head spinning...I'm dizzy....  LOL  :)

   

  *~*Holly*~*

   

   

• PieterOpie said on Apr 01, 2009....

  It's all those corners I expect....  They're so pointy and angular and everything.  As you can see, even a nice smooth circle is full of them.   I split my head open on one years ago and needed a couple of stitches.   It hurt like buggery!!!
  
  You can see why they pad cells in the happy place, can't you....  
  
  Wanna see my scar?  
  

• HollyGoLightly said on Apr 01, 2009....

  most definately love; I know I'm not your type, but you may lay your wounded head where you please as well, just don't nudge *rupe* off...  ;)

• PieterOpie said on Apr 01, 2009....

  It's right at the back of my head.  You can't actually see it as such because it is covered with hair but you can feel it.  Rub your fingers there.... up a bit...  up more...  go to the left a bit.....   THAT"S IT!!!   That little bump!!!
  
  And the Rupert incident.  It's all fine now.  I grovelled like the complete spineless lump of jelly I am. 
  

• HollyGoLightly said on Apr 01, 2009....

  ooooohh....is that better, baby?  now, you're sure you did that on a corner and it wasn't some poor sc poster whacking you with a 2x4 for some irrate comment you may have made??  ;)  never mind...lay your spineless lump of jelly back in Holly's capable hands dear...there, there... god, your hair is soft ! what do you use in it these days?  (winkwink)

• PieterOpie said on Apr 01, 2009....

  It happened 30 years ago......   And I can see that 2x4 you are barely trying to conceal Holly.... I understand your fury and let me say this in my defence....  I'M  SO  SORRY.... FORGIVE  ME....  I  WENT  CRAZY.... I'M  NO  GOOD....  I  HATE  MYSELF.....  I  WANT  TO  KILL  MYSELF.....  KILL  MYSELF!!!!!!    KILL....   KILL  SOMETHING.... ANY  THING......  yessssss...... I want to kill something... somebody..... hehe........  who can I kill....  can I borrow that 2x4.......... then I will...  !!!!!!!!   
  
  
  OMG.......  it happened again..........  did you see that?   I completely lost control......  I didn't know what I was doing.   I might have done something terrible.   PHEW!!!!   OH NO!!!!   WAAAAAHHHH!!!!!  sob sob......  sniff........
  
  
  
  I use Pantine Shampoo and Conditioner for normal hair.  I have always had good hair.  It's nice and soft, eh?   I used to have really long beautiful hair.  Women envied my hair.  My advice is not to wash it too often.  The natural oils are the best thing.  Get a good quality brush and brush thoroughly in between shampoos to spread the natural oils along the hair shafts.  Always rinse thoroughly in water that is as cold as you can stand it.   Try it. 
  
  Now... where was I?  
  
  Oh yes....  can I borrow that 2x4 now?
  

• PieterOpie said on Apr 01, 2009....

  OOOOW.... never mind.  Dr Phil is on.....  see ya.

• rupert7 said on Apr 01, 2009....

  Holly -  M'Lady, I  am forsooth a breast man, it may peradventure be thought that there never was such a time that I may lay my unworthy head upon thy bosom! ( not sure exactly what I just said, archaic English is not really my forte!)
  
  Pieter - thou art a rapscallion!! Alas (indeed for you sir!) rivalry transforms me into a beast most fearful! Withdraw thy attentions from M'Lady or meet me on the jousting field this day! Take heat knave, your will not be the first blood spilt over a maiden most fair!
  

• PieterOpie said on Apr 01, 2009....

  Verily verily, forsooth and all that..... I am but a gay lad who seeketh not free passage through the Gate of Chasity.  Thou can keep that dragon to thyself m'lord.  I have many a paige to chase and royally slay with my lance, if thou knowest what I mean.  If I may my noble sir make enquiry to the reason for this silly tongue in which we do speak so suddenly?  It driveth me to much distraction.... forsooth, verily and so on and so forth.... 
  
  Oh paige boys oh paige boys, wherefore art thou?  My lance is readied.....
  

• HollyGoLightly said on Apr 01, 2009....

  omg!!   I LOVE men with long hair!!  Had several exes with that hot accessory. It's so wild having sex and having it fall all over me...or under me, behind me, above me, next to me...  did I say BEHIND ME yet???  ;)  Mmmm yeah...
   
  >>>>>>>>hands Pieter her own bottles of valium, Lithium, Klonopin, Trazadone, as well as 2x4, and suicide hotline#
   
  *rupe*~ I had you pegged as a boob man all the way 'round...heeheehee   and oh yeah... (remember I said ^above^ that I knew I wasn't pieter's type...) no cause for alarm my valiant swordsman...homey don't swing that way...no matter how great my tits are!!  LOL
   
  *pieter*~ Holly's Gate of Chastity was trampled down many years ago...though I  must admit, it has kept it's youthful, tight entryway...LOL
  now then....(your head is feeling better I take it?...I'm a fuckin' miracle worker...) raise your lance, run down those paiges, and mount thy stallion...er...be mounted...uh...well, whatever...enjoy...

• rupert7 said on Apr 01, 2009....

  Well there you are - strike, or is that strike one for the second innings? My locks fell to my shoulders in my youth,not overly long. Now whats left on then are (or is that is) shorter than my memory! Close croped in something of a military style.(sort of) Never mind me, I am sitting here drinking beer, something i do but rarely. *smile*
  
  Pieter, I know not why we have been speaking in  pseudo old English but clearly...it is your falt! ....I suspect to impress the maiden fair _ a futile exercise is now seems!

• HollyGoLightly said on Apr 02, 2009....

  thy exercise hast not been futile... maiden is duly impressed with thou and thee...

  (talking this way stretches my mouth entirely too wide...)    (*grin*)

• PieterOpie said on Apr 02, 2009....

  TIME OUT!!!
  
  This is getting too bizare... eh... bizzare....  bizaar...   bzaaaari... GRRR... FUCK%$#SHIT@&?FUCK$%!!!! is getting too weird.  I need to sleep and reset my sanity buttons.   Don't wake me.  If you see me in another thread it is my alter ego, not me.   I will be asleep....   I sincerely hope we can be more normal tomorrow.  This is far too biza... crazy.   NOT that there's anything wrong with that, but I'm worn out.  You've driven me too hard.  I just need to lie down.  Let me go......  I beg you......  
  

• rupert7 said on Apr 02, 2009....

  Holly -  M'Lady is truly impressed, and I have no cause for doubt, then my heart truly with pleasure fills!
  
  Pieter -  you yourself said it - take your leave, knave!
  

• HollyGoLightly said on Apr 02, 2009....

  *why do I feel the need for a post-coital cigarette?*  mmmmm...  ;)

• PieterOpie said on Apr 02, 2009....

  You know Rupert... if you don't stop talking like that then my mouth truly with vomit fills......

• rupert7 said on Apr 02, 2009....

  Holly - holding both your hands....perhaps you sense a Guinevere - Lancelot  relationship unfolding? ~smile~
  
  Pieter -  Sorry you feel sick my friend, if you need a receptacle, I think a plastic 2 gallon bucket,with handle costs about $1 BTW - are you by any chance a hypochondriac.....that would explain your nausea me thinks! mayhap,mayhap,mayhap!! lol
  
  
  

• PieterOpie said on Apr 02, 2009....

  
  "I live in a land down under,  where women glow and men chunder..."
  
  Apologies to Men at Work.
  

• rupert7 said on Apr 02, 2009....

  
  Pieter, just for you:
  
  
  

• PieterOpie said on Apr 02, 2009....

  Oh....  My goodness!!!
  
  That's so sweet.  Come here you adorable thing you....  <KISS KISS KISSY KISSSS>   Oh...hehehe, sorry about the tongue...
  

• rupert7 said on Apr 02, 2009....

  Tongue from women is all good, lip from a rapscallion like you is outrageous!

• PieterOpie said on Apr 03, 2009....

  Yeah well, you got tongue..... and you're still alive. 
  
  Did you know men have a G-spot?   hehehe.....
  

• rupert7 said on Apr 03, 2009....

  Pieter - yes, what can I say?

• PieterOpie said on Apr 03, 2009....

  That was a smart answer Rupert..........    heh heh heh 

• rupert7 said on Apr 03, 2009....

  Pieter- E=MC thingrybobed ya know! lol

• PieterOpie said on Apr 03, 2009....

  wtf???
  
  That's it Rupert.  You're going mental.  I'm outta here.  See you out there!!
  It's been fun but that equation just doesn't balance and I'm fussy about that sort of thing.  Before I go,  how's your sister doing?  No more whirlwind affairs?  That was a worry.... I wish I had a brother who cared about me instead of the idiot one I have now.  He doesn't know I've moved.... hehehe.... and he never will either. 
  

• rupert7 said on Apr 03, 2009....

  Pieter - all good things come to an end also the not so good! LOL
  
  My sister is OK thanks. Hey....call your brother!
  

• PieterOpie said on Apr 03, 2009....

  I will call my brother.... I will call him a jerk!!! 
  
  Seeya....
  

• rupert7 said on Apr 03, 2009....

  Pieter - I am not going to pry into your private life,but what happened to forgive and forget, specially when its a close relly!

• PieterOpie said on Apr 04, 2009....

  I have spent a lot of my life forgiving and forgetting when it comes to my older brother.  He was an overbearing bully when I was small, overbearing and obnoxious as an adult and eventually he did exactly what was predicted and betrayed me when it mattered most.  Now that our parents are gone I have no inclination to suffer anymore indignities unnecessarily.  He has left a trail of hurt people and apart from that he is also nuts!!!  I am not willing to infect my later years with his nonsense and predictable unpredictability and unreliability.  In short, I HAVE HAD ENOUGH!!!!  It is beyond forgiving and forgetting - normally I don't even think about him and am grateful for that simple blessing.   He even ruined my relationship with my nephews because he told them as children to be wary of me because I am gay - and yet he has a conviction for having done something with a boy.  He transfered his guilt onto me. 
  
  There are so many things I could mention and still only scratch the surface.... I do not need to forgive - I wish I could forget.  I have absolutely no feelings of any kind unless - like now, I actually stop to think about it.    No amount of urging will change my postion on this at this time.
  

• HollyGoLightly said on Apr 04, 2009....

  *pieter*~  (((((hugs))))) I must tell you how much in common we have re: toxic family relationships. I completely understand the point about things being past forgiving and forgetting. I left my true "family" behind long ago, wishing to escape severe trauma, abuse, mental illness, and alcoholism. I was damned I would not allow it to corrupt my entire life. Many don't understand, thinking that because it's family, we should accept, accept, accept, and continue a relationship with them.  Why? I ask. We wouldn't stay in a relationship with a lover, or life partner, or even best friend, if they were nothing but abusive and hateful toward us...Some of us have lived with circumstances so unbelievable, that the only choice we have is to  save ourselves, find a way to heal from the pain, and move onward & upward. I applaude your courage and clear insight of the type of person your brother truly is, and the wisdom & strength you've shown by refusing to participate in a TOXIC relationship. Sure am sorry to hear about his involving your nephews. Hopefully one day when they are older, you will all have a chance to know one another, and on an adult level, they will see for themselves that you are not a bad person, a freak, or a monster. I work on forgiveness each day. NOT for my parents, nor my siblings, but because I realize that I can't go through life with so much anger in my heart. It's quite the challenge. But if I think of it as forgiveness for the sake of  my own healing, then it becomes easier to let go as I know someday, I will reach a measure of peace in my heart. I wish that same *peace* for you, with your situation.

  *rupe*~ Guinevere and Lancelot...one of  my favorite fairy tales...I have the perfect dress for it even!!  :) You are indeed charming kind Sir, I raise my delicate hand for you to kiss or clasp. Once done, may I accompany you upon your white stallion? I particularly enjoy riding bareback, and petticoat-less...;)

  *~*Holly*~*

   

   

   

   

• PieterOpie said on Apr 04, 2009....

  Holly, I appreciate your empathy;  a lot.   Fortunately my nephews, at least the older one so far, has been smart enough not to allow it to taint his opinion of me.  Only today I made contact with him again via Facebook.  He's all grown up and although we are not exactly close, the relationship is as healthy as can be expected.  He is now married with a little girl.  OMG... I am a grand-uncle!!!
  
  As to my brother.  I do not need to forgive in order to be at peace.  Time and distance have been very effective in that respect.  I suspect he doesn't much care either. Perfect!!   
  
  I too grew up with alcoholism and succumbed to it myself.  Last month I celebrated 20 years of sobriety. That is another thing I did not need in my life. I still have dreams in which I experience all the frustration I used to feel in real life.  The funny thing is that I never used to have these dreams.  I managed to shed them with a conscious effort but they seem to creep back in time.  It's weird.  I will purge them again by meditating on it.  That works.  I just need to remind myself that the dreams are pointless and serve no further purpose.  I just need to remember that I am free.....FREEEEEEE!!!!!   WOO HOO!!!!
  
  Maybe you too can conclude that it is now time to close the door on your past and find peace.  It is the only sensible conclusion.  We both deserve that and now is as good a time as any.  Just do it.  Just say "Enough!  Be gone! No more pain, no more guilt, no more bullshit!!!" 
  
  In all fairness I should say that despite all the madness, my parents did love us and were good parents and they were not abusive or violent in any way.  They were however a source of frustration and alcoholic craziness.  Booze was a definite handicap in terms of the extended family who treated us all like lepers.  My relationship with them suffered due to my parents shenanigans.  Mind you, they were a bit strange in their own right, booze or not.  What a family!!!  No wonder I love my doggies as much as I do.  Then again..... they're a little crazy too you know.... but delightfully so.
  
  
  

• rupert7 said on Apr 04, 2009....

  Pieter - I understand what you are saying and I am really soory if I have opened an old wound,I did not mean to.
  
  Holly - My gracious lady! Sweeping,deep bow here. My heart like to the lark at break of day arising from sullen  earth sings hyms at heavens gate! You honour me with the privilige of kissing and clasping thy sensual and beautinous hand. Bareback and petty coatless! My lady, the very thought has my pulse a-racing! Come my lady..let us ride! COME!....let us not waste time with foolish gibbering!
  

• rupert7 said on Apr 04, 2009....

  Pieter I meant sorry above,not trying to be funny. Life can be really hard and unfair.

• PieterOpie said on Apr 04, 2009....

  Of course you didn't mean to do that. No apology is necessary. 
  
  However I am pretty upset about the spelling mistake.  "SOORY" indeed....  That is unforgivable!!!  I don't know how you can live with yourself after that total fuck-up.  I am so disgusted right now I can't stand it.  I might have to kill myself. 
  
  In fact.........     click... clack...    BANG!!!!
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Oh....  I missed.  PHEW!!!   I wasn't ready.............
  
  
  

• rupert7 said on Apr 04, 2009....

  Pieter - I am so glad you missed....I mean I would have had to follow you wouldn't I (gulp!)

• PieterOpie said on Apr 04, 2009....

  Not really....  you just have to tell me that you would,  but since I would be dead I can't really hold you to it, can I?  
  
  Of course now I won't be able to trust you......  
  

• rupert7 said on Apr 04, 2009....

  Pieter - you can trust me....just ask Holly if she comes by again!

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