• mobil said on Mar 12, 2009....

  I don't know Kru, spooky stuff, I'll keep an ear to the ground.

• RollingC said on Mar 12, 2009....

  Haven't watched it....about to go to work but I must declare that it's crossed my mind more than once that this financial crisis was a well orchestrated effort and by any means no " accident " .
  Rc
  

• kruuyai said on Mar 13, 2009....

  mobil:  Yes, what do you think about that part about senior citizens being pressed into a "civil" military service?  And essentially bringing back the draft by requiring everyone, male and female, between the ages of 18 and 25 to serve 3 months?
  
  RollingC:  This is going to be much worse than just an economic depression.  It's going to change the world as we know it.  The first step is to make people aware of what's happening.  I mean, if they're paying attention at all to the news, they should be able to figure it out for themselves... he promised to bring the troops home immediately, instead he's not only projecting another couple of years in Iraq, but also sending more troops to Afghanistan, he promised to repeal the Patriot Act, instead, he voted to renew it.. and the list goes on.  I am sorely disappointed and concerned that a post like this has received so little attention... only 20 views in 12 hours (and a couple of those views were me).  People really need to start paying attention and fast.
  
  I think GW was a test of the American people to see how much they would take while they were bent over with their heads in the sand, and his administration proved that people will take just about anything, so now, they're really stepping it up.  At no time in history has the question ever been more important.. "What if they held a war and nobody showed up?"   Only this time.... where are people going to run to?  You can bet with the new North American coalition, Canada is not going to be harboring refugees.
  
  I would love it if this post would inspire some serious brainstorming.  This is real life.
  

• mobil said on Mar 13, 2009....

  Requiring everyone one to serve their country for two years was an idea I've held for a long time Kru.
   
  Seniors nah, that's not right, but I am leery of some of the things said here. You can make things look one way or another by how you present them ya know?

• RollingC said on Mar 14, 2009....

  Yeah he promised that he'd bring the troops home and he didn't forget to say when.... he knows that political moves like that cannot be reversed lightly and now that the pot is cooking to pull it out of the fire now would spoil the stew.... so he'll bring the troops home but just not right now.
  This is Vietnam with a different twist to it but political promises are all conveniently carried out within the political time frame...not our time frame.
  Interesting that I was talking today with a retired intelligence officer and he agreed with me that the economic storm that's happening now was most probably pre-conceived by the movers and shakers and it's all orchestrated to their political agenda.  Their world political agenda that is.
  I hate politics.
  Rc 
  

• kruuyai said on Mar 14, 2009....

  mobil:  Yes, I know.  That's why I'm looking for some more input here.  Since I'm mostly out of the loop with what's happening over there.  Of course, there's a lot more to this film than just forced military service (which, by the way, I don't agree with... I've never declared a war on anyone, and I don't want to participate in one.  The scariest part of this, is that he's continuing this idea that we'll be perpetually at war with "the terrorists.")
  
  RollingC:  Yes, sure, but he ran his campaign pretty emphatically stating that he would bring home the troops "immediately."  Not only is he not doing that, but, he's actually sending more troops to Afghanistan.  (I hate politics, too.... of course, you'd never guess that with the gist of my posts lately...lol)
  
  Just curious to know if anyone watched the whole film and what you think about some of the other specifics.  There's so much in it. 
  

• mobil said on Mar 14, 2009....

  My input is that I think this is more conspiracy stuff Kru. Think about it, even if American's were pushed into service, you'd  have one hell of a time turning them on the American people. I just don't see that happening.

• stopmediabias said on Mar 14, 2009....

  My only opinon on this film is "sigh."

  An absolute pure fact here is you take any public figure in history and if you have tape and speeches, with a little editing you can make them out to be anything, good or bad.  Pure propaganda, that's all it is.

  Alex Jones is one of the biggest dunderheads in the world.  He sells bullshit for profit.  He has come out with some seriously nutcase assertions in his day.  He slithers around the depths of our culture with the same kind of slime that publishes headlines in Weekly World News like:  George Bush Has Alien Love Child! 

  Read President Obama's book and then compare it with the video.  This is coming from someone who is no fan of the President, I didn't vote for him, and hope we have a short four years until conservatives get back in power.  That said our President is a decent human being and this video is unfair and misrepresents the intentions of him and our government. 

• andora said on Mar 14, 2009....

  the only conspiracy is between our ears
  
  these cats have been in power since Napolean and continue to play chess with the masses. i have attempted to point out the patterns of our unsustainability as a group event that we all co-signed with our dollars.
  
  problem is, we have also received ritualized traumitization as a way of making us maleable...give the right dose of religion to polarize the populace and they are essentially immobilized. this is the reincarnation of the group dogma....all the kings horses couldn't put humpty dumpty back together again cus he was sposed to be in the quiche;]
  
  i just feel tired by the hypnotic self-fulfilling prophecies that block real progress in the realm of human rights and environmental sustainability. at this rate, the entire world can see that pure unadulterated Capitalism is a heartless whore with a beta dog grin - a toothless grin at that
  

• andora said on Mar 14, 2009....

  i've been sqwaking about this for years here at SC and marginalized to the hilt!
  
  however,
  
  my solutions have not been welcome bc the masses of society are preparing for their big day, the big, magnificent culmination of all this self-defeating mantra of death, held tightly in the hearts of those who hold death up as the only means of spiritual continuum available. in real life i meet many who have educated themselves about the group contagion we call 'society'....in this medium i meet charlatans using the new age info to further their personal agenda and those who refuse to learn basic scientific fact, as they make huge judgment calls that effect the world in harmful ways. its the Battle of the Sexes on a quantum level.
  
  even with biological evidence to the contrary, the dramatic group is sentimental about the "end of it all".
  
  as i began to realize the nature of this beast, I moved back....
  
  something anyone can do. im not saying its easy, especially when folks are demonizing me for my survivalist will to live in freedom, peace and liberty as they scream in my face that i actually have freedom and liberty. this is denial -- connected to nothing that is going to stick around much longer. stand back and let the beast die for goodness sake!
  
  
  

• andora said on Mar 14, 2009....

  if one understands the Battle of the Sexes at a glimpse it makes it much easier to make informed decisions to avoid this reality
  
  in many respects i am able to keep clear of the fallout from this beast and get closer everyday to creating a reality for myself that does not support this beast on any level.
  
  i am old enough to remember Eisenhauer's warnings about the "Military-Industrial-Regime"! What a surprise that American made weaponry is being used in a border war with Mexico! This is not a conspiracy....this is a world cartel hedging its territory (see Bilderberger Group).... And, i am not talking about the fucking drug loards....they are a creation of our policies and laws. this conflict is being conflagrated as a tool to incarcerate millions. these detention facilities were built in the '80's for this conflict with the aim of enslaving "terrorist gangs" that are a creation of our border law, drug laws and of plain stupid bigotry! 700 were arrested last week and put into private jails, corporate jails! When industry went to Mexico, it did not hire the men and refused to pay the women a living wage. this little bit of social engineering was put into place by Capitalist greed - this is the locust mentality of the living dead.
  
  now, the skin heads amass at the border....they play right into the hands of their handlers, they even like the conflict....they were born to play./////got video games anyone?
  
  you "patriots" were sold down the river long before you were a twinkle in your grandpa's eyes and now you want to act like the over-control you live by is new....nothing new under the sun....in fact so predictable and so stuck within the Ammigdala part of the HomoSap brain that you don't even realize you signed onto fascism that forbids you to grow medicine, forbids you to work at home, forbids you to allow friends and family to stay with you without filing tax info if they help out with a little cash!?!
  
  free to allow the corporation to import slave labor to the point of starting a race war that fills all their new corporate prisons that cheney lobbied for, while in office! give the fat pigs a job guarding the colored folk as they become our new manufacturing base!
  
  wake up
  
  you are caught in a bad science fiction movie that has come to pass!
  
  got water?
  
  how about open-pollentated seed? yeah, they pattenned seed genome while you were busy paying into your 401K, which they niftily lifted in broad daylight....you already belong to them and it is no use having a bloody revolution with all those fucking guns you hold near at night.
  
  no
  
  you have much better ammunition in your stock-pile! I've been telling you about your birth-right for years now and you think i am hallucinating. i do not wish to crow about my own successes, so i bring you testimony from Dawone, Aurora and the others i live around. I am not kidding, i am not trying to force you to "do it my way", i'm trying to help you know what you have, right now that will, if you desire...protect you in this shit storm!
  
  my gift with aloha
  
  click here for vital, free information about your soveignty
  
  even though i am rank toward many here, and complain about how i have been treated, i love this community and value this conversation kruu. thanks for being a concerned citizen.
  
  mahalo
  peace
  channel the rage into becoming sustainable -- the only way to step back from the beast is to be self-sufficient
  

• andora said on Mar 14, 2009....

  as far as Obama goes,
  
  i believe that he is heart presence in this polarized gap between those who incorporate slavery and those who care about humanity. we are in need of some heart presence to hold the two polarized sides together long enough to keep them from committing Hari Kiri for goodness sake!
  
  I do believe Obama was groomed for this position much as Christ was groomed by Egyptian and Hebrew priests to counteract the hegemony of Rome in the M.East
  
  so yes, you are all a part of a scripted reality that you could disengage from without war, without leaving the comfort of your bed. After all, this economic collapse has been a large part of the prayer work that i have been preforming for a decade with many women like myself. we called an end to this insanity and prepared for this. we were not heartless in this, we have gone to the 8 corners of the world to inform those who were interested in justice about this slow moving train wreck.
  
  We are a global movement of women that will change the landscape in a heartbeat, once we reach quantum mass. this is why i blog and give away our information for free, because we care, yet are unwilling to support the wizard of oz one more day! the earthchanges are moving to help us. in fact the collective hopelessness that has the masses considering suicide/homicide/familicide and war has been mobilized on behalf of our prayers because we understand energy and are able to practice Alchemy with the life force that the masses are actively rejecting. We will not reveal ourselves until we have anchored this in our body.
  
  but of course i've given way more information than is necessary - as is my nature
  
  this is why i choose recluse over activist.....bc i'm stuck on open in a world of closed hearts
  
  do not be fooled by mass illusions
  the conspiracy is coded into the collective paradigm
  if you give yourself to this paradigm you will have no choice
  in much of anything
  

• RollingC said on Mar 14, 2009....

  @ Mobil.....  as always, you have a way with words.    :^)
  
  Rc
  

• bloc said on Mar 15, 2009....

  I have a hard time with things that are so black and white. The conspiracy theories are usually far to simplistic to reflect reality. Don't get me wrong, the dems and repubs aren't much different on economics, but that's the only thing Americans will vote for. And I don't necessarily disagree. I think a few small tweaks and everything is generally fine. 

• mobil said on Mar 16, 2009....

  Ah, good for you Kru. Sorry I spewed garbage all over your page here. Really I am.

• kruuyai said on Mar 17, 2009....

  mobil, SMB, bloc, andora:  Okay, it's easy to take a stand one way or the other based on an emotional reaction or a propensity to either believe or disbelieve "conspiracy theories," but what I'm looking for here is some serious rebuttal.  Having lived outside the US for the last 7 years, I haven't followed the presidential campaigns very closely, so for example, I would like to know if any of the speech clips that appear in the film were taken out of context or if something, in particular, was misquoted, and shaded to give a meaning other than what Obama intended.  For example, did he or did he not say that one of his first acts in office would be to repeal the Patriot Act, and did he or did he not vote (after taking office as President) to continue it?  That's just one example.  There are many other facts that you could contest, and if you know of anything in this film that is false, please be specific.  We all know that anyone, including scientists, the media, religious leaders and even kindergarten teachers (not to mention mommies and daddies) can take an element of truth and skew it in order to support an argument.  But just generalizing and saying that that is what was done in this film, just because you either don't want to believe it or have some other reason for denying it, is just not conducive to the discussion.  Here' your chance to educate me, but please be aware that opinion does not constitute fact.  Let's have a discussion of the facts, please...please... please.

• kruuyai said on Mar 17, 2009....

  mobil:  I sincerely hope you're right, but don't forget that it's already happened on a small scale in the past (e.g. Kent State).

• kruuyai said on Mar 17, 2009....

  SMB:  "Alex Jones is one of the biggest dunderheads in the world...."  I have only seen one other of his films (the one about the Bohemia Club), and I'll have to agree with you that, at least that film was extremely sensationalistic and really didn't lead anywhere.  I was left asking, "So what?"   But this film is quite different.  Again, like I said in my comment above to all of you, if you can give me specific examples of misrepresentations in the film, and quote your sources, I would greatly appreciate it.  Thanks.

• kruuyai said on Mar 17, 2009....

  andora:  "all the kings horses couldn't put humpty dumpty back together again cus he was sposed to be in the quiche"   LOL
  
  "as i began to realize the nature of this beast, I moved back....in many respects i am able to keep clear of the fallout from this beast and get closer everyday to creating a reality for myself that does not support this beast on any level."  I see the wisdom in that to a certain extent, but where does moving back become putting your head in the sand?  There's got to be a balance between escapism and proaction.  That's what I'm seeking.  I just don't know where it lies.  How do you back off in a practical sense and still manage to keep your back covered?
  
  "What a surprise that American made weaponry is being used in a border war with Mexico!"  I'm not aware of any border war with Mexico, yet, but American made weaponry has been used by the Mexican Army against the Mexican people (mostly the indigenous Mexicans) for a long time now.
  
  "This is not a conspiracy....this is a world cartel hedging its territory (see Bilderberger Group)"  Exactly.  It's easy to discount almost anything these days by throwing the label "conspiracy theory" at it.  The fact is, that people do get together and plan things on all levels of life.  We may be arguing semantics here, but to anyone who can look at a list of occurrences that all point in one direction and just discredit people who take a close look at these things as "conspiracy theorists," I'll quote Mark Cocking and say, "what does that make them... coincidence theorists?"
  
  "this conflict is being conflagrated as a tool to incarcerate millions. these detention facilities were built in the '80's for this conflict with the aim of enslaving "terrorist gangs"  Yeah, I had a student, years ago... well, in the mid 90's, anyway... who was telling me about all these huge prisons that were being constructed.  I can't remember what the capacity was for the one he mentioned in Colorado, but it was mindblowing.... I had to ask myself who they could possibly be planning to incarcerate in such great numbers.  This guy was actively looking for another country to live in.  It wasn't that I didn't believe him at the time... I was concerned,  but I wasn't terribly concerned.  Now, I'm terribly concerned. 
  
  
  
  
  
  

• kruuyai said on Mar 17, 2009....

  andora: "When industry went to Mexico, it did not hire the men and refused to pay the women a living wage."  Not only that, but they had the young women who came from far away cities and had no family or friends in the north (where the maquilladoras are) and made them work night shifts so they would be walking home in the wee hours.  Hundreds of those women have been abducted and later turned up in shallow graves.  Known as "Las Desaparecidas de Chihuahua," these women were mutilated, raped, dismembered and killed in snuff films for the Asian market.  This is common knowledge, but nobody will do anything about it.  It's business as usual.
  
  "now, the skin heads amass at the border....they play right into the hands of their handlers, they even like the conflict...."  Could you elaborate?  I'm not sure what you're talking about.
  
  "you are caught in a bad science fiction movie that has come to pass!"  I've often thought this, in fact, I have a blog coming up on this idea.
  
  "got water?"  That reminds me of something I read a while back about either the US or US corporations having bought all the water rights to South American countries so that people (eventually) won't even have the legal right to use the water in their own country without paying for it to the US.  I'll have to see if I can find a refererence and/or an update on that.
  
  "We are a global movement of women that will change the landscape in a heartbeat, once we reach quantum mass."  Does this global movement have a name, and do they have an internet presence?   Isn't the quantum mass considered to be 10 billion?  Do you think they are going to ever allow that mass to be reached?
  
  
  
  

• kruuyai said on Mar 17, 2009....

  mobil:  Apology accepted.  :)

• mobil said on Mar 17, 2009....

  You can't be serious about Kent State Kru, that was a boondoggle if ever there was one.
   
  If you remember what the National Guard was in the Sixties, you'd remember that there was no chance of them going to war. They were poory trained to say the least.
   
  That they fired into those students was inexcusable, when you put poorly trained troops and commanders in the field. It's not going to turn out good.

• kruuyai said on Mar 17, 2009....

  mobil:  Well they damned well better not be poorly trained.  Aren't they the ones who are supposed to defend us against a foreign invasion?

• bloc said on Mar 18, 2009....

  Sorry, I don't have a lot of time these days so going through and fact checking everything isn't likely to happen on my end.
  
  Regarding the patriot act. This is one of those things that's oversimplified by the video to make a point that I don't think stands up to thought. The patriot act is a giant thing, most of which is good or benign, with a few pieces that are terrible. As a senator Obama voted on an update to the patriot act that fixed some of the worst parts about it. It didn't go far enough in my view, but I don't think he did something terrible.
  
  It's hard choice to make. Do you vote against something that has a lot of good things in it because of a few bad pieces? What if even with those few bad pieces it's still better than the original bill and so would be an improvement?
  
  I'm just not seeing anything sinister here.
  

• andora said on Mar 26, 2009....

  dear kruu,
  
  thankyou for the interest in my rant
  
  when i mentioned the women i pray with and said that we would reach quantum mass, i didn't mean the 10 billion necessary for a collective conscious being to awaken from the masses, I was referring more to something along the lines of "a thousand points of light" that attain an agreement field that is capable of informing the collective about revolutionary options....such as the responsive nature of our cellular and electromagnetic matrix.
  
  

• andora said on Mar 26, 2009....

  in reference to the below interaction,
  
  "as i began to realize the nature of this beast, I moved back....in many respects i am able to keep clear of the fallout from this beast and get closer everyday to creating a reality for myself that does not support this beast on any level."  I see the wisdom in that to a certain extent, but where does moving back become putting your head in the sand?  There's got to be a balance between escapism and proaction.  That's what I'm seeking.  I just don't know where it lies.  How do you back off in a practical sense and still manage to keep your back covered?
  
  EACH PERSON MUST DETERMINE WHAT FEELS BEST FOR THEM....if that means staying engaged with the beast (the world of finance, politics and religion) or becoming a hermit...it is simply a matter of choice. some people thrive on stress and intimidating form, I've had enough of wallowing in the muck of false idols. this does not mean that i am going to allow China or the United States to roll back the clock on human rights. I know where these people live, and all I need is their name or their image. It is possible to neutralize violence if one understands how magnetic principle operate. There is tremendous power available to those who have a reciprocal electromagnetic light body, however, if they try to use this energy to harm others, it will bite them on the butt!
  
  my way of disengaging simply means establishing self-sufficiency so that i can interact with the larger group on my terms.... this is the action of self-love
  
  the illusion of separateness is what most people suffer from. I am well aware that my inner world is connected to the group, whether i touch, see, hear or smell them!  Therefore, I have been studying the human collective ferociously my entire life time as a way of understanding my own denial and/or indoctrination - In this way I can release the false reality that i have been observing by first taking responsibility for it. If i am responsible, i also have options for solutions that feel good to me.
  
  The 'One World Order' is such a frightening prospect, because everyone is subconsciously aware of the group idea that is robbing them of their God given sovereignty --they were indoctrinated by a Universal paradigm that effects every single human being regardless of nationality, race, religion or education. People everywhere have already conformed to a global cabal that is based upon Tyranny and Fascism, but they are too afraid to notice. This cabal is the natural creation of what the group believes, just as Hitler was the reflection of the world's dominant god-concept.
  
  The more i take responsibility for my own reality, the less effect the group has upon my well being. Just because i have removed myself from the populace does not mean that i do not track them....i also track earthchanges daily/weekly. As a result of the prayer work, i have found that my desire is being given special privilege simply because i do not believe in denying what i desire --since the group is in denial of this love, it is available for me -- in this way, I can and do make decisions for the group, since they consistently and consiously abdicate their soveriegnty.
  
  Whereas, the dominant paradigm convinces those who have a conscious desire to be "good" people, to reject their personal desires for the "group good". there is nothing wrong with being devoted to the group, if it were sustainable....but it is not, nor will it become sustainable if it does not reconsider the basic precepts about reality.
  
  Devolution is a declining vibratory frequency that experiences its' space closing in upon itself, ending with a grave. everyone is in a trance with this agreement, in such a way that they have lost their personal Will and are stuck in a compelling idea that pushes them to reject their choices in favor of futility. you can hear this in their conversations, see it in their posture, and observe it in their social structure.
  
  Evolution is an evolving perfection -- in the presence of love, there also exists an incumbent Will to Live that keeps the heart open for opportunity and adaptation. This reality is characterized by ever-expanding realities.
  
  anyone who wants to be free of the beast must turn to the earth at this time, because there are no realities that are seperate from the earth and also capable of  sustainability.
  
  aloha
  

• kelly said on Mar 28, 2009....

  OK, I spent five precious minutes watching the first part of the first video.  If I am going to be convinced to waste any more time on this I need something more than the stringing to together of out of context news clips that are juxtaposed to suggest something ominous without actually getting to the point or demonstrating that there will indeed be facts presented.
  
  
  When I was in college a long time ago the popular idea of the day was that  Bush senior, et. al. were constructing a "New World Order" and that we would all soon be subjugated to de facto slavery.  That meme has just been replaced by another one.
  
  
  It's a fantastic idea to keep our leaders feet to the fire and to never stop questioning authority no matter who is in charge, but please let's not end up like the UFO folks who see aliens on every remote mountain top.  This video comes off more as a conspiracy thriller than a real look at power structures.  I would suggest that it comes as a pop culture answer to the fears most people are having about the economy and nothing more than that.
  
  
  I've been around too long to jump on board any quick and easy thing like this.  And it's no less fear mongering than our late great dictator George Bush's tactics.

• GracieLee said on May 30, 2009....

  i like the joe rogan quote in the video. my opinions are summed up in my blog about politics, basically that our government is playing "one hand washes the other" with special interests, including the financial sector, the banks.
  
  i'm not a fan of obama, to say the least. i'm not a liberal or a conservative, a republican or democrat. i think both parties are playing that game with special interests, and where is the person who will side with the people of america? whoever he is, he isn't getting elected to high national office. obama pretends to be that man but he is not.
  
  i like the lincoln quote in the video. i didn't know he discussed the power of the financial industry. lincoln was a truly great president and great man. he "got it". he was the best we've ever had.
  
  a lot of the video leaves much to be desired. but i do like the joe rogan and lincoln sections.

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