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How do women do this? Do what? Raise boys.  Birth precious baby boys and mold them into good men?  I’m at a loss right now. 

 

My boys right now are 13 & 8.  They are like oil and water.  Everything from breakfast cereal to movie choices becomes something they argue about.  Everything from sports to music becomes blatant competition.  

 

I am so worn down from the fighting, from the hateful way that they talk to and treat eachother…I’m out of ideas, I don’t know how to get through to them.

 

The younger one feels like he’s lost in his older brother’s shadow and hates him for it.  And yet at the same time I see him trying to be like his brother.  The older one hates the younger one for trying to be like him and yet I see him become protective if anyone tries to mess with him.

 

They won’t tell each other sorry, thank you, or give one another a hug unless I pin them down and make them do it.  It’s a constant battle between them and I’m exhausted from it.  I can only afford a two-bedroom apartment so for the time being they have to suck it up and share a bedroom (in private I have cried about not being able to provide them with separate rooms).  I think that having their own space would alleviate a lot of the stress and friction between them.

 

I just wonder…how is it even POSSIBLE for two boys from the same mother & father to be sooo different and sooo hateful of one another? I had no sisters, I only had a younger brother, is this normal for same-sex siblings????

 

 

My 8 year old has been having trouble at school.  He’s making very bad choices and I can’t seem to get through to him.  Calls from the teacher are the norm as of late.  Just absolute disregard for rules on his part.  He’s a very smart boy, he has a very tender heart, I cannot understand where this is coming from.  The latest infraction almost got him suspended (he’s only in 3rd grade!).  Some bullies started beating up on his friend on the playground so he jumped in (instead of running for a teacher), and when he jumped into the fight he REALLY jumped into the fight.  **sigh** that warranted a call from the PRINCIPAL.  When I hung up with the principal a wave emotions washed over me, from anger to sadness…

 

This weekend we attended a guitar hero competition, both boys signed up for their respective age brackets.  The 8 year old lost his competition and I had to console him as he cried and said “I never win anything” while watching his older brother win his competition and a gift certificate to the video game store.  Of course his brother won, his brother wins everything.

 

Do you know how hard it is to sit there and support one child while consoling the other?  I’ve gone through that bittersweet consolation of one while trying to congratulate the other too many times to count.  Does it make me a bad mother that for a fleeting moment, deep down in my mind, I was wishing my older son weren’t so good at everything so his brother could have a time to shine?

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It’s not that my older son is perfect, he excels in most things he does, but he has his own troubles.  He was recently invited to be in a band outside of school.  He was thrilled, musician daddy was thrilled, my musician brother was thrilled and got on the horn and sent him his first locking guitar strap as a birthday/congratulation present, I was thrilled for him because he is a bit socially awkward and thought this would help his standing with his peers.  When I picked him up from school on Friday he was very quiet, with his head turned away from me he told me that the boys “let him go” from the band because “they had too many guitar players” I could hear the crack in his voice as he told me…  I was ready to go find these monsters and beat them upside the head for hurting my son’s feelings and pride.  I said…”why would they do a stupid thing like that? You’ve been playing guitar since you were born, I’m sure you’re better than the others”  he said…”because mom, I’m the nerd”

 

OH HELL. How do I deal with this one?  I tried to tell him…no you are not a nerd.  But he smiled as he informed me,  “yes, mom, I am the nerd, I am the nerd because I’m smart, I’m the nerd because I’m not afraid to use my brain and show that I’m smart, I’m the nerd because I don’t care what anyone thinks, and I’m not going to change that to try to ‘be cool’ and that’s okay with me”  through his speech though, I could see the fresh pain. And I felt that pain for him as if it were mine. 

 

So…how do mothers do it?



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  • uniquely-ironic said on Mar 02, 2009....
    There are days I'm so glad my two are male and female.  No conflicts to deal with in that arena, but let me say, they still fought like cats and dogs.  At about those same ages.  I was ready to pull my hair out because I just couldn't make it stop either.
     
    I don't know if it will turn out the same way, but now they're wonderfully supportive of each other.  I think perhaps it's normal that they compete and fight with each other.  I know they love each other.  It's like they practice those skills on each other because they know that there is an unbreakable underlying love that will mend any damage they inflict on each other.  Just writing that makes my eyes tear up, because I know for my sister and I, it was that way.
     
    It will take time.  Oh, and don't try to treat them equally.  It doesn't work.  Treat them individually.  I can't treat my son like I treat my daughter, gender aspects aside.  One is worlds more responsible, so I don't need to ride her.  But I am also aware of how much more sensitive my son is, so I tread lighter with him.
  • PAPERBACKWRITER said on Mar 02, 2009....

    <3

    bookmarking for now, fraggy... mary is going : maaam, maaam, maaam in another room!

    (((((((((((((huggies)))))))))))))

    muah,

    papergirl ~



  • Hegemone said on Mar 02, 2009....
    Wow Frags, I'm not a mom so I can't offer you any assistance there.  However, I do want to say just to make sure you hang in there, stick with what you're doing, trying to take care of them both.  They notice that whether you see it or not.  They're both coming into their own, I think the arguments, aggression and changes are all to be expected.  My husband and his brother had issues like that though ... they just couldn't stand one another for various reasons ... my husband still resents his little brother a lot ... and it had a lot to do with the fact that he is/was spoiled rotten and his mother obviously favored one child over the others.  The kid has now grown up realizing if he whines enough he can get whatever he wants, and his siblings resent the hell out of him for it.  All in all, I would say that morally, your boys are on a pretty good path.  I was beaming at the speech your son gave you about being a nerd, even though it hurt him to know that was why he was booted, at least he's not giving it up!  He'll find his niche, so will your youngest, its just a matter of time and chemicals.  You just keep "being there" for them for the various things equally.  Good luck Frags!  (((((Hug)))))
  • fragglesrock said on Mar 02, 2009....
    uni - thanks for taking the time to read and comment, i know it was a long one...i don't think i  had ever considered the fact that they are practicing conflict skills with eachother d/t the unbreakable bond...that is very reassuring as is hearing that your kids (even though boy/girl) fought alot at the same age and have come out of it...gives me hope for the future :)  and that's very sound advice on not treating them the same...thanks.
     
    hi papergirl...go tend to the "maaam" "maam" "maaam" calls while you have them ;) thanks for the huggies!!!
     
    hegs - thanks for taking the time to read and comment, i know you don't have children but i appreciate the insight you shared with your hubs and his brother, i hope my boys will come to appreciate eachother in time...thanks for the encouragement and hug :)
  • evil_twin said on Mar 02, 2009....
    I have no parenting experience (yet) but I can speak as someone who has an older brother and what it was like growing up with him. And the stuff you say your boys are doing, IS normal. Or at least it was normal for us too. My brother and I were always competing for attention and praise, and we fought all the time. About big stuff, stupid stuff, it didn't matter. But when the chips were down, we were incredibly loyal to one another. We could make fun of each other or beat each other up, but no one else better ever dare to try that with one of us, or they'd be sorry.

    There's a weird mix of competition and loyalty between brothers. And it was even harder for us growing up because we're less than 2 years apart in age. So there was always competition for friends and activities and who was cooler and who was smarter and more popular. But deep down, I think we both wanted to see the other person succeed and be happy, but we just didn't wanna be the one who sucked and failed. So that's where the competition and the anger comes from.

    And with your boys, there are clear differences in strengths and weaknesses, so I think it's natural they both sort of wish they had the 'good' points the other one has. And they secretly hate each other because of it. But they also love each other too, and eventually it all balances out. It really does. So try and hang in there. I have no advice on what to do, except to say your boys are totally normal.

    -evil_twin LA
  • fragglesrock said on Mar 02, 2009....
    evil_twin - hello! i appreciate you reading and commenting :)  it was very calming to me to read your comment...as you speak from direct experience, being the younger brother...that really helps me immensely.  it is true that my boys are loyal to eachother when it comes to outsiders...what a very new insight that you have given me about wanting one another to succeed, just not wanting to be the one who sucks and fails. lol :)  thanks again, you helped to set my mind at ease...
  • queenparanoia said on Mar 02, 2009....
    i'm not a mom yet so i dont know if my advice can help you. but i have two brothers and two sisters.... and let me tell you the day has not passed until someone has cried, got hurt etc...

    all i could say that even if we fight like cats and dogs (literally). at the end of the day we still love each other. so don't worry about that...

    i know mothers worries about their children getting hurt but let me tell you. it's okay to be hurt. its okay to have mistakes. its okay for your children to feel the pain... you know why?

    because they learn from that. and when they do learn they become a better person... and it's your job as their mom to give them advice, console them and make sure that they learned that lesson.

    i think youre doing a great job as a mom fraggles. so don't worry about it... ;-)

    being a mother is the hardest job in the world... ;-)


  • SlickNick said on Mar 02, 2009....
    Hey Frags, I'm really sorry to hear that you are so sad about your situation. I'm not a parent but speaking from an older brother position I can tell you that the way that your kids are acting towards one another is completely normal. My younger brother is three years younger than I am. I'll be perfectly honest with you we HATED each other for the LONGEST time. We just recently made up and I'm freaking 29 years old now and he's 26. I can tell you we both regret fighting with one another because now we are very close. We still disagree on a lot of things and now instead of fighting about my brother wanting to tag along with me everywhere we fight when one of us is too busy to hang out. That's life I guess. I just hope your boys learn to love one another and appreciate that they are brothers and be proud of that fact. There's another fact that I'd like to state for the record and that is that regardless how you might feel I KNOW you are a wonderful mother. How can you not be when you are just plain a wonderful person. (((HUGS))) 
  • fragglesrock said on Mar 02, 2009....
    all hail the queen :)  what a wonderful inspiring comment! you are so right, it's necessary for them to learn life experiences, feel pain, make mistakes...when it's your turn your going to make a great momma....thanks qp :)
  • Lucytorial said on Mar 02, 2009....
    My sister and I were the same as your boys growing up, down to a T.
     
    I was like your older son, sis was like your youngest, dad baught us up not mom and I know that he tried and tried to get us to both understand we only had each other at the end of the day, but it came with time.  Seriously he didn't get involved in our petty fights unless it got physical, then he damn well let us know we were wrong and grounded.
     
    As for school? well its a phase to be honest honey there are no easy fast rules, I was the nerd who did everything good and my sis was intelligent, neither of us got on well at school but we both learned over time to enjoy each others company and help each other out.
     
    Boys are different to girls though, you hang in there its not easy and I can't pretend that it is or ever will be.
     
    I think you're doing an awesome job of bringing them up, let them know how hard it is see what they say?
  • cuppajava said on Mar 02, 2009....
    Fraggles - i have a brother,a younger brother - he is 2 and half years younger than me - and we hated each other -to a degree we still do.But when we were growing up -always fights - he was the smart one.he got everything first,his opinion always counted - its as if i was in his shadow all along.You know what i did? - i withdrew into myself and became the introvert ( who,me? yes,me) that i am today.As Uni said - please treat them as individuals,its the only way to go -the age difference is too big,they will be different,they will react different to the same things and they will think different about the same things - try and take out the competitive adge somehow.I think the thing about the same room may be a clue though - but i know that you cant do much about that though.
    I wish you luck,I wish you strength,and whatever advice i can give you - i will.
  • PAPERBACKWRITER said on Mar 02, 2009....


    My original comment created a life of it´s own, fraggy! LOL *blushes*

    Here it is : From Banig to Bed of Sibling´s Roses...

    I don´t have much wisdom, am not good at advicing just sharing stories...I think your boys are lucky ones to have you...and if you need to just cry out your frustration...I hope you´ll let us share the load...

    *muaaah*

    <3

    papergirl ~

  • wombat said on Mar 02, 2009....
    I only had the one, so I don't have experience there.  Looking back, though, it's a wonder me and my sister (the one closest to my age) didn't kill each other, litterally.  Years of slapping, middle-finger pointing, kicks, and slurs.  She was jealous of me, and I never could figure out why.  I wanted to be like her, and yet I hated her for the way she treated me.  I think it's just normal for siblings for the most part.  It will either get better, or it won't.  We can pretend on the phone now, but we don't talk that often--and she still has the ability to really tick me off!  I just ignore it now.  Hopefully your boys will get to that place where they value family ties over nonsense.  Let someone go after one of them, and I bet the other would be there in a flash!
  • pusscat said on Mar 02, 2009....
    I sure wish I had some advice for you hun.  i do know that my sister and I were so close when we were real little but, as we reached close to your boys age, we fought like cat and dog.  Not really sure why.  I did always feel like she was loved more than me, which was totally not true though.  Thing is we still would have killed anyone that hurt one or the other.  You don't have to like someone to love them to bits.  We didn't necessarily like each other at that age as we were too different but we loved each other.

    Two things that maybe worth thinking about are this.  When they are fighting over something, no matter how loud they get, even if it looks like fisty-cuffs are brewing, leave them to it.  See how they actually finalise it.  They may surprise you - if they've never had to go to the finish line they may not even know how to finish it yet.  One could storm up to the bedroom or they both may sit there ignoring each other for a while.  Don't always think that as the parent you have to stop them arguing and fighting.  they may need to finish it themselves.

    the other thing is, do they both actually know how this makes you feel?  I mean, they're not babies anymore.  This may be rubbish as you may have done this already but sometimes kids have no idea how much it upsets their parents.  Quite often when a parent has to just wade in and end a fight, one kid will always think that parent has taken sides in some way.  But, if you were to sit and tell them, when everyone is in calm mode, just how much you love them so seeing them fighting and arguing hurts you very much, i wonder how they would react?  i know writing this is far bloody easier than putting it into practice so please ignore me if you've tried all this hun and it went down like a lead balloon.

    Sending you hugs anyway darling

    (((((((((((((((((((( frags ))))))))))))))))))))
  • fragglesrock said on Mar 02, 2009....

    nick - you must have slipped in when i was commenting to qp - i did not intentionally ignore you :) the thing is i figured that since they are 4 1/2 years apart in age that they'd never fight...i guess the age factor doesn't necessarily mean much, i'm glad to hear that you and your brother finally get along...from what i'm hearing it does give me hope for the future...thanks for the hugs and encouragement...most appreciated :)

    hey lucy - i know you are crazy busy at work lately, thanks for taking the time to read and comment, now that you say that about you and your sis, i do remember you mentioning the knock-down drag-outs you guys would get into and the hell you put your dad through (tee hee) i have TRIED to tell them how hard it is as a mom to see them hating on eachother so much...they act like they get it and then 15 minutes later they're fighting over something else, thanks for the encouragement...i'm hanging in there :)

    cj - such a shame that you and your brother still have ill feelings...i do try to treat them as individuals, sometimes it's very hard, but maybe i just need to try a bit harder... i appreciate the advice :)

    papergirl - i put comment on your post...i want to thank you so much for your wonderful words and thoughts...and the offer to share the load as i cry out my frustration...it means so much to me...i'm sure i'll have more frustrations to come :) tee hee

    wombie - thanks for reading, commenting, and sharing your story...middle finger pointing!!! roflmao!!! yea, i agree, i hope that they do understand the value of family ties eventually..and it is true...they do have eachother's backs when it comes to someone else :)

  • fragglesrock said on Mar 02, 2009....
    pc - you just snuck in here too...and i'm logging out of work...i will come back when i get home to thoroughly read and respond to your comment
  • uniquely-ironic said on Mar 02, 2009....
    One last thing frags, then I'll shut up.  One thing I found to be neccesary for my own sanity when my kids were fighting was the "no interference unless there's blood" rule.  Sounds extreme, but unless someone was being obviously physically assaulted I took the position that I was an observer.  Hard some times, but it forces them to deal with it.  I did "council" each of them privately on how to circumvent the fighting, and when not in the presence of each other it seemed to find it's way into their brains.
  • D6fer said on Mar 02, 2009....
    fraggles....at risk of being hated by every woman on this site, I have to tell you......don't try to turn em into girls!.....those boys need a man to teach them to be men....they need to fight and work out their differences....the little one needs to learn how to lose....babying him will hurt him in the long run......is their dad involved in their lives?
  • secretlife said on Mar 02, 2009....
    it's so hard to be a parent.  there are so many things lurking around the corners of life that break our hearts for those rascals!
     
    the hardest thing is to let some of those heartaches happen and help the kids understand that it's still ok.  even sometimes if you aren't sure it will be, telling them it will be is all they really need to dust themselves off and get back into the battle again next time.
     
    i came from a family of 5 kids-
    4 girls and my brother, the baby.
    we were merciless to each other, but we united against outsiders and my parents-
     
    my kids?  they fought often, and a time or two there were injuries.
    it depended on the time whether or not i doled out punishment. 
    one thing i know i did, and it was because of something my mom always told us-
    she said, even if you think those kids are ignoring you or that your words are going in one ear and out the other, keep telling them the important things-  don't give up!
    the lessons you are trying to teach them are being heard even if they pretend they aren't. 
    don't give up.
    so i'd always tell my kids that they will be brothers/sisters forever-
    that nobody in the world will love them like their mom and dad-
    and that when their mom and dad were gone from this earth, they would have each other to remember us and their childhoods with.
     
    follow your heart and your gut.
    they rarely fail you.
     
  • woman said on Mar 02, 2009....
    How do mothers do it? One day at a time Fraggles.You let them know you love them. You set a sterling example of behavior. You remind them you are all in this together. We took our children to church every week and I do believe that the concept of a higher power helped them. So. Do your best and if becomes too much get some professional advice. There are good people out there. (and Frag, don't be surprised if they end up close when they are older) I'm thinking of you.
  • mobil said on Mar 02, 2009....
    You know Fraggles, good men are hard to find. This my youngest daughter tells me all the time. I think it's gotten worse, no I am sure it  has.
     
    I think two young boys need a Mom and a Dad, girls too. I married a woman who had 3 children, her husband died of cancer at a very young age.
     
    I took those kids as my own and we raised them together along with two more. What's a Mother to do? My advice would be to find a really good man to help you raise those boys.
     
    In the absence of that. I think you are doing a good job with them. Like SL said above me, follow your gut and your heart.
     
     
  • dyingman said on Mar 02, 2009....
    When my two same sex kids fight (it does seem to be worse with the same sex), I send one to the basement for twenty minutes.  When they fight again anywhere from a half hour to an hour.  They stop fighting.  They're bored without their sibling.

    Since you have space limitations, you may need to send one outside.  Or one to bedroom one to living room.  The importance isn't the severity.  It's consistency.  Separation every time, promptly.

    The nerd sounds okay.  If he can move over to bass guitar, when I was hanging out with musicians, bass guitarists were hard to find.  They'd probably put up with a nerd. 

    The younger one is rudderless.  Needs a direction and he seems to be taking cues not just from his older brother but father and uncle.  Music is HIGHLY valued in his family so that is his goal.  This may be a drastic mistake.  He may be focused on getting this one prize when he'd find a different field far more interesting and that means he'd put in the practice necessary to win awards,.

    He may also be a generalist like I am.  I excel at nothing but I'm good at plenty.  People admire my skills in dozens of different fields of endeavor, but they would never mistake me for a professional.  They simply don't expect an astronomer to be well versed in poetry, drawing, humor, politics, theology, economics, history, medicine, psychology, and impressions.  Lately, I've been getting to be a decent dancer.  Maybe your son would like to taste a little of everything the world has to offer.  The knowledge itself presents many rewards unrecognized by those with shelves lined with trophies and medals.

    *DM

  • fragglesrock said on Mar 02, 2009....

    pc - i have stressed to them a zillion times that they don't have to like eachother, but they do have to respect eachother, i know that deep down they do love eachother they really just don't like eachother very much (at all) right now.  i have tried to explain to them how it hurts me when they hurt eachother and...yep...you got it...lead balloon. i do have a tendency to jump in when maybe i should let it play out, the times i've tried to let it go inevitably one or the other comes running...'MOMMMMMMMM" "HE DID <insert perceived heinous act here>" sigh.  i appreciate your reinforcement of the thought that although you and your sis didn't always get along that you both loved eachother :)

    uni - no, please don't shut up...lol...i need all the help i can get! yeah, the no interference policy is not one that i'm very good at, i think i'm going to need to start toughening up my own skin and let them fight it out, the problem is my older one fights with snide mean comments (knowing EXACTLY which buttons to push) to his younger brother and the younger one fights with fists and feet a flying which worries me because he's only 8...the older one is 13yo 5ft9 and 160 lbs. i just don't want him to crush the little one. i'm sure you're nodding your head and saying...yep, been there...lol, i will try to step back a bit and not worry so much :)

    D6 - no worries! i'm not hatin' on the D6 :)  the funny thing is that i HAVE been told that i'm bit overprotective "let em be boys" there is merit to that and i'm trying to let em be boys more often.  and yes, i'm very lucky, their dad (my ex-husband) is very involved in their lives.  we have split custody...thanks  for reminding me...let em be boys :)

    secret - thanks for sharing your insight and wisdom...you are so on the mark about our hearts breaking for our "rascals" - so very true.  it's really, really, really, good for me to hear that yours fought and there were even a few injuries! that makes me feel so normal you know?  i really appreciate you passing along your mom's words of wisdom and the things that you have told your kids, it's all so much the truth and i will remember those words...thank you so much :)

    woman - "day by day" - that is so true! sometimes it's minute by minute :) thank you for your warm thoughts. i truly hope that someday they'll be close, and i'll do my best to set an example...thanks for your insight :)

    mobil - somehow i thought you might recommend a large belt to their back ends...lol!  i did not know the history with your children, thanks for sharing.  the boys are with their dad almost 1/2 the time and he is a good dad, but i agree, it really helps to have mom and dad under the same roof.  you know, the last thing any girl ever dreams of is growing up to be a divorced statistic...it sucks...my parents never divorced.  i completely agree with your daughter, the good men are getting harder and harder to find and not to bore your ear off, but i here i go, i find that the good men are much older, or if i find a good man my age he wants to have his own children (which i can't) anyways, yes, a good man to help would be nice..tell your daughter that if she finds one and he has a brother to send em my way would ya? :)

    dm - well hello :)  thank you so much for taking the time to read and comment,  so it's not my imagination? the same-sex sibs seem to fight worse? lol..i read this earlier but just now came back to comment b/c i have already taken one step of advice from you...i un-bunked their bunkbeds - put one way against the south wall of the room and put one against the north wall of the room, and i have a very handy girlfriend who will help me fashion a curtain divider...fabulous!  i was laughing about your bass comment b/c that is so trure, a good bass player is harder to come by, i'll pass that along to him.  as far as my younger son, he's very good at art (which his older brother is not) and i've tried to encourage that and other things that he can shine on his own with but so far he only wants to do what older brother is doing, i may have to revisit that thought and give it another nudge, thanks so much for sharing your insight and advice :)

     

  • RollingC said on Mar 02, 2009....
    Fighting and competition for everything is worse with same sex siblings.
    It takes years for them to outgrow it and in the meantime it might help for you to start making a schedule for day to day living...like how long each one gets the priority on what to watch on television and alternate the order on likes and availability.   Remember that you can be as tough as you need or want as long as you're fair about it and they realize it. 
    Good luck....I remember growing up in my house was like living in a war zone...I don't know how my parents put up with that.
    Rc
  • fragglesrock said on Mar 02, 2009....
    rc - well you have been such a stranger! so good to see you :) just where have you been? lol...i LOVE your idea for scheduling the tv time etc... that is brilliant...one of our bigges issues is video game/computer time, a schedule would be perfect. thanks for taking the time to read and give your great advice, don't be such a stranger!
  • Fallyn said on Mar 02, 2009....
    i wish i knew the answer. mine are all girls....and i think it's just as bad...and they haven't even hit teens yet.
     
    same sex sibs are really difficult...i know me and my sis didn't start treating each other well until we were nearly adults.
     
    i realy wish i knew the answers.
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  • RollingC said on Mar 02, 2009....
    You can also use the scheduling as a reward and punishment thing...extending it or limiting it as the occasion arises. 
    They see a movie they want to watch in the TV guide later on in the week you hold that as leverage for good behavior.
    :^)
    Been busy working.  I'm lucky I got two jobs to help make ends meet (what with the unemployment going around and all) and when I get home all I want to do is sleep.  Takes some getting used to working 7days but what the heck...you gotta do what you gotta do....I've been through this phase before and for sure it's a pain but I'll get through it eventually.
    Rc
  • RollingC said on Mar 02, 2009....
    I remember there were days when the first thing that came to mind when I woke up in the morning was ..... " ok, who am I going to get today... my brother? ...or my sister ?..."  and fireworks were usually the first order of business that day.  We used to keep a tally on each other of who did what and/or owed what to whom and act accordingly...LOL.
    Thanks for the memories... :^)
    Rc

  • quietone said on Mar 03, 2009....
    my 2 grandsons are similar to your 2 boys fraggles.  It is hard.  The oldest is smart the younger is more into "boy" things and sports.  The trouble is, the older also wears his heart/emotions on his sleeve.  I think your oldest son will be just fine.  It sounds to me at a young age of 13 he is for the most part satisfied with who he is, even if it touches his emotions.  Hang in there!! Nobody said it was easy.
  • diabolicdame said on Mar 03, 2009....
    Hey.. I can see that most of what I want to say has already been said here.. but I will repeat it nonetheless. Me and my younger sis are 5 years apart too.. and we were just like that one upon a time.. fighting constantly! Its totally normal!! We loved each other to peices even then but couldnt stop fighting.. there were many tears.. I sometimes felt I was being treated unfairly by my parents and she got off easy just cause she was younger.. and there was lots of scratching! hehe.. but it all just worked itself out.. as we got older, the silly stuff disapperared.
     
    And the fact that your elder son wins everything and is good at stuff is actually really good for younger one.. whether you can see that or not. It gives him an ideal.. a set of standards to aspire to.. one day he will meet those standards and surpass them even.. you'll see. My sister now at 16 has won every prize I had and more! I was the house captain, she's the headgirl! hehehe.. its really a good thing.
     
    The tears you see when the younger one feels he didnt win when his brother did are fooling you. Somewhere he learns from watching and gets further each time.
     
    The problems that they're having at school or with their social lives.. well it happens.. its a phase.. I remember school.. one year I was queen bee.. the next year nobody in my class would talk to me.. the next I was queen again! It happens. Give it time. They'll both find their place where they fit and it'll all be good.
     
    Also now when I'm 21 and my sis 16, we're closer than possible! We always loved each other to death and were feircely loyal.. I mean I've gone and fought with people for her when she was a kid.. but we did fight a LOT. Now? We're best friends. That love we alwyas felt is now freely expressed! I'm more proud of her than I can ever put into words. And she looks up to me with stars in her eyes! We still fight sometimes though.. its normal.. hehehe.
     
    They'll get though this and will be better people for that. Dont worry. You'll look at them in a few years and wonder what happened! It'll work itself out. You just need to give them time.
     
    They sound like normal brothers going through normal stuff!
  • dyingman said on Apr 08, 2009....
    Dear Fraggles,

    I'll be interested to hear an update.
    I hope I see it on the Soulcast front page.  It takes a bit of luck as I don't happen by much.

    Divide the room.  Pretty good!

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