• D6fer said on Feb 18, 2009....

  I doubt any libs will even comment here.....sure....they'll read it, but their cowardice and hypocrite ways will prevent them from confronting the truth.
  
  Anytime I do a piece like this, they wait a couple days at least if they comment at all.....I don't think they want it making the feature page.
  

• beyondtheveil said on Feb 18, 2009....

  I'm all for justice, but lets let them get in line.
  
  Bush and Bunch first, then Obama.
  

• D6fer said on Feb 18, 2009....

  Yeeaahh.....riiiight.

• superbozo said on Feb 19, 2009....

  I feel sorry for Obama here he has inherited a nightmare situation from bush and although we would all like to think that he is ultimately responsible I think you'll find that the generals and military top brass were not elected by the people and are still acting as if bush was in charge....one can only hope that Obama will see through all the bullshit that is been put in front of him right now by miltary who were probably promoted into their positions by bush and rumsfeld or whatever his name was....lets thank god it was not john cain that won. I hate to think what decisions he would have made by now. I can only say time will tell if the hope obamas election bought to so many is justified. That doesn't help the innocent caught in the cross fire I know but I like to believe in hope.

• curmudgeon said on Feb 19, 2009....

  bozo - that's a cop out. For one thing, the predator drones are controlled by the CIA - a civilian agency entirely under Obama's control. Don't try to fob this off on the military. Besides, Obama is now commander in chief. He could stop these missions any time he wants, but he actually campaigned on this policy of singlehandedly attacking Pakistan.
  
  Sorry - you support a unilateral mass murderer who is, as far as the war on terror is concerned, a third term Bush. He may be attempting to end the war in Iraq, but he's escalating in Afghanistan. I simply don't understand how you "anti-war" libs can sleep at night knowing you elected a warmonger. But I can understand how you can refrain from criticizing Obama when you gave Bush no quarter. It's just more of the same old tired typical liberal hypocrisy.
  

• superbozo said on Feb 20, 2009....

  Did not vote for him as I'm australian I'm no liberal either but just think alot of people go on about this sort of stuff with blinkers on. CIA civilian yeah right you gotta be kidding me, they are probably more problamatic that the military and are more likely to do their own thing.....and as for bush hated his old man as much as I hated his son and could not believe how either he, Blair and howard ever got voted in for second or third terms but it's ok to point at the problem it's another to actully suggest solutions that might fix problem I bet if they put you in charge tomorrow someone would start calling you a mass murderer even as you tried to pull the troops out. I agree what is going on in the world is wrong with troops from other countries trying to police foriegn lands as I said before I can only like you now hope that Obama will wake up to what is really happening and unfortunatly more civilians will die in the mean time and I really have no suggestion....untill governments wake up to themselves and start keeping their troops in their own country and not use them as invading forces to impose their will on people who do not want it.

• GrapeKoolaid said on Feb 20, 2009....

  In your hatred of the new president, now you are defending Pakistanis, who are known to harbor the Taliban in the tribal areas that border Afghanistan.  There is a distinct possibility that Bin Laden is hiding in Pakistan as well.  You are supporting terrorists because you are loyal to your party.  Who'd have thought? 
  
  Did you forget about A.Q. Khan, the greatest nuclear proliferator ever? 
  
  I'm not a liberal, nor am I sold on Obama.  I don't think he's going to "rescue" the US.  I think we're pretty screwed.  I don't think McCain was the right man for the job, either.  I happen to think that Ron Paul was a better candidate than either of them. 
  
  I just had to point out your hypocrisy though.  Your loyalty to your party (misguided as they are) and your hatred of Obama is pretty transparent here and now you're defending the "poor" people of the Islamic republic of Pakistan, who are responsible for acts of terrorism against India, and have been harboring "terrorists". 
  
  Shame on you. 
  

• curmudgeon said on Feb 20, 2009....

  GrapeKoolAid - you completely misunderstand the point of this article. These are the precise arguments leveled at Bush for his war on terror policies. Obama is replicating them, people thousands of miles away are dying, and no one on the liberal side is criticizing their Dear Leader. Obama is proving himself to be a terrorist and libs are looking the other way.
  
  Your response sounds a lot like the rhetoric spouted by Bush supporters. Oh I see - it's ok to stigmatize an entire country for the actions of a minority of the people? What, it's justified to bomb people by remote control, but not detain them in Cuba? What about the Pakistani children who died in the first Obama rocket attack? How do you justify their deaths? These legitimate questions have been leveled at Bush since 2001 - why is it somehow blind partisanship to ask the same questions of Obama?
  
  The blind partisanship - to spell it out as clearly as I can so you can understand - is among the anti-war Democrats who remain silent about these missile strikes.
  
  As I recall, Ron Paul would rather we not get into these foreign entanglements at all. How can you support him and support terrorizing foreigners?
  
  Hypocrite - meet thyself.
  

• superbozo said on Feb 20, 2009....

  Another point to remember here while everyone jumps up and down is that the americans through the C.I.A. actully started the taliban and trained Bin Laden in the 80's after the Russians invaded it was the Americans who got the Pakistani goverment (an American Supporter) to ignore the tribal areas so thousands of foreign muslim voluteers could enter Afganistan and fight the Russians.....fully supported and even financed by America through the C.I.A. My main point is that the path of trying to force foreign nationals to do your bidding by sending in troops just doesn't work where will it stop...who's next Syria, Iran and North Korea....America wants to stop Iran and North Korea from getting Nukes and has often used agressive political speak threatening various degrees of santions including military ones....where was that launguage when India quickly followed by Pakistan developed their Nuclear weapons, and Iran and North Korea know that they could not possibly defeat the Americans in open war so why not develop Nukes....The americans have them and they know just the threat of the use of those weapons will stop any American military action. It stopped the Americans and Russians going for it in the last 50 years or so so far. I'm sorry but sometimes I just think we're doomed no matter what we do.

• GrapeKoolaid said on Feb 21, 2009....

  curm:  I don't support terrorizing foreigners at all.  I support a non-intervention, isolationist policy.  I don't think we should have gone into Iraq in the first place.  We shouldn't go to war at the behest of Zionists, or to protect trans-national market interests. 
  
  Democrats aren't as anti-war as you might think they are.  If you remember, Clinton was a trigger happy maniac who bombed Iraq and the Balkans on a weekly basis.  It's only in their rhetoric that they seem anti-war, but they're not.  Historically speaking, the Democrats get this country involved in wars and Republicans get them out(excluding the most recent example, that is). 
  
  I don't support either of the kleptocratic parties.  As far as I'm concerned, it's business as usual.  The cult of Obama doesn't impress me in the least.  I am not a convert.  What I was pointing out was the strange stance you seemed to have taken in defending terrorists to criticize the new CEO of Americacorp. 
  

• andora said on Feb 21, 2009....

  amen grape
  
  I too think Ron Paul would have been the best pick
  
  I am not a repub or dem - i don't see any difference  between these two sides except for the fact that republicans statistically speaking get the heartless liars award. now they want to go hip-hop? these people have no soul. hip hop developed as an outlet for the brutality and injustice suffered by minorities...got prisons? got gonzo trying to stop prison investigations by firing federal prosecutors? i bet you're real proud of this secret that the 'liberl media' is keeping hush hush. you call it liberal media to confuse people and make them feel as thought they are getting honest reporting somewhere from the mainstream, but, there is a constant cover-up done on behalf of the democrat and republican power brokers.
  
  why would they keep quiet about the prison scandal. and the fact that cheney broke so many laws when he invested $85 million of his own money in private prison stocks as he used his political power to increase the per diem that our tax dollars go to fund (went from $50 to $85 dollars per day per prisoner) these private prisons that use the inmates as slaves for pennies per hour. dick and your boys are involved in illegal and disgusting activities as our 'liberal media' refuses to go there. and then you make these pathetic claims that the media is liberal. good try to cover up the corruption and it has worked for a while.
  
  I personally that the powerbrokers could have a hand in selecting Obama for us to fob over. he talks a good story, but I am worried as well that he did not put his foot down and end the drone bombings....however, like someone above said...he entered the office after Bush fubared the country. give him a moment to catch his breath and reverse some of the most agregious problems first. our domestic issues were on fire....thank goodness he is doing something because bush could have cared less!
  

• andora said on Feb 21, 2009....

  the tone of this post is just an attempt to keep your adrenaline running cus you are addicted to the polarization curmudgeon. you've been getting high off of Rush Limbaughs righteous indignation to the point that all you can do is parrot offensive insults at the other side, when the truth is that no one is 'right' or 'wrong' bc everyone is living under the illusion of an economic structure that is supposedly designed to help humanity rather than parasite off of them.
  
  over all, this economic design was designed to fail...this keeps a very few in constant power. which is why the bushes and bin ladens are able to recruit the reactionaries of our world like you curmudgeon - this keeps them powerful and you looking like an uneducated parrot
  
  sucks to be the living dead
  
  who believe that death is the only solution to life
  
  which is why we build more bombs than anything these days!
  

• curmudgeon said on Feb 21, 2009....

  andora - you're pretty handy at the politics of personal destruction yourself. Oh, and I don't remember Rush even talking about this, so I'd hardly call myself a parrot. You on the other hand are nothing but a broken record cut by the has-been hippie hate bush crowd. Your joan baez retreads are so old even the Dems in DC are hardly listening anymore. Now Obama is resisting releasing Bush's old emails because he knows what'll be in store for him in 4 to 8 years if he does.
  
  I see you're still changing the subject to Bush-Cheney. Yawn.
  
  nice to hear from you, though.
  
  grape - again, just articulating the arguments leveled at bush. If you truly don't support terrorizing other folks, you'd be agreeing with me about Obama's behavior, but instead somehow you're trying to characterize me as a sellout to the Pakistanis.
  
  And this, of course is the problem I see with people like you and andora. Rather than actually talk about the issue at hand, you'd rather just insult folks. That's OK. I hope this is as fun for you as it is for me.
  

• stopmediabias said on Feb 22, 2009....

  Are Liberals ashamed of who they are?  I find it interesting every person that comes into Soulcast and spouts opinions that mirror the far left always deny they are Liberals and/or Democrats. 

  And please libs keep talking about Rush Limbaugh, everytime you do you beat yourselves down because it makes you look ignorant. 

  Since Bush got into office the Left has used him like a punching bag even though the wars were agreed on by nearly all parties.  As soon as Iraq showed signs of victory and progress it became a non-story.  Now President Obama is in the same place and where is Cindy Sheehan, Michael Moore?  Technically the few soldiers that have been killed in Iraq could have been saved by our President, right?  If Bush was such an idiot and so wrong President Obama should have pulled our troops out of these areas the first day of his Presidency.

• andora said on Feb 22, 2009....

  the wars were not agreed upon by all parties
  
  the party selling the war told a lie and continues to
  
  - i did not change the subject, I stated clearly that Ron Paul has the foreign policy that i would choose, and that Obama has disappointed me in regard to the drone issue. however, i suspect that he is in motion to set policies that will satisfy my desire for withdrawal from these senseless wars you guys get all testosteroni about!
  
  i will continue to speak about the cheney scandal until he is brought to justice
  
  and
  
  curm, smb, d6 all avoid the prison issue like it were poisonous gas. the party you keep parroting is going to jail, one by one. and you all continue to act as if none of this is happening. empty words for a dead ideology
  
  
  

• dyingman said on Feb 22, 2009....

  acts of terror???
  
  I call it sloppy hit jobs.  Regardless of who perpetrates them.  Israel or Obama.
  
  Is there no better way to take out the bad guys that doesn't cause so many grieving families?
  
  The Israelis feel they MUST take out Hamas leaders.  I just ask if there's no more precise way to go about it.
  
  I ask the same of Obama.
  
  Is this hypocrisy?
  
  Maybe neither Obama nor Israel have a better method at their disposal.  That's entirely possible.  I haven't heard arguments against commando raids, but perhaps they would mention Black Hawk Down scenarios.  That might be a valid argument.
  
  Obama, while attempting to take out Al Queda operatives, however is layign groundwork for cooperation with the Pakistani government as well as Iran. 
  
  Maybe it's a futile effort, but I'm not fond of the alternatives:  nothing, or bombing / jailing everyone remotely suspicious.
  
  I expect greater subtlety from our new commander in chief.
  If you don't see more finesse in military matters from the Democrats.  Ask me how I feel this time next year.
  
  
  
  
  

• bloc said on Feb 22, 2009....

  the argument you are making is against a strawman. I've never claimed that someone killed in combat should have a trial. It's an absurdly stupid suggestion. If you want to have a serious discussion about this topic let me know. 

• D6fer said on Feb 23, 2009....

  andora.....I'll talk prisons with you.....my dad spent the better part of 9 years in one....and he learned his lesson....that is what prison is for....you lose your rights....or at least you should....slave labor?....what utter bullshit!.....they should be doing hard manual labor....living in tents in the desert......if it's good enough for our soldiers, it should be good enough for those who steal the rights from the rest of us!

• andora said on Feb 24, 2009....

  d6,
  
  you missed my point entirely
  
  and, if your pa was violent, I would agree he belongs in jail
  
  we have millions of non-violent criminals living with the most violent amongst us, while madoff and stanford get house arrest in their penthouses bc they are of a different 'class' than the poor non-violent criminal. even so, this is not what i was writing about when i mentioned the prison scandal that gonzolos and cheney are culpable for.
  
  the 9 federal attorneys were fired by gonzo bc they refused to end their investigations into these private prisons in regard to torture and murder tactics that only a  cheney fan would love. The so-called 'liberal media' has a blackout on this story simply bc the media is not liberal, it is a corporate entity involved in propaganda. the private prison system in our nation is a scandal and has nothing to do with your fathers crimes. it has to do with elected officials using thier political power to enrich themselves at taxpayer expense. THE VERY THING THAT REPUBLICANS SAY THEY STAND FOR. These same republicans are showboating about the stimulus bill as they cover up the real story of their hypocrisy!
  

• stopmediabias said on Feb 25, 2009....

  Andora-The only reason we talk to you is because you make us laugh.  Tell us about the monsters under your bed and how those monsters must be part of the vast Republican conspiracy to usurpt the world to fullfill their greedy bloodlust and enslave the masses.

• andora said on Feb 25, 2009....

  darling,
  
  my nightmare experience with a Republican Admin, house and senate isn't a theory, it is a fact. history doesn't agree with you clowns and
  
  in case you hadn't noticed republicans are going to jail and many of them are apologizing publicly - as Jindal did last night =winkie, winkie. he had to apologize bc he was pitifully attempting not to get laughed out of the room.
  
  AND
  
  he did anyway - he got laughed at by both the right and the left -
  
  you guys might want to take a look at the very laughable facts...you seem to be like robots on tilt - have nothing of substance to say except the same ole same ole lip service or an apology. you've even lost touch with the very criminals you voted for, bc they are hanging their heads in public apologizing profusely for the bush cartel's foot print upon the backside of the nation! and...they still won't get re-elected - it'll be the last straw for this dead party - and i'll be dancing on it's grave!
  
  laugh away
  

• andora said on Feb 25, 2009....

  that's right smb, you and all your wanna be alts that you present as a quorum ;]
  
  you all agree like the snakes of medusa's head
  

• D6fer said on Feb 25, 2009....

  Andora.....you are such a hack.....I can't believe you can go on and on about corrupt Republicans! Ever heard of Blagojevich? I wonder how far up the chain that one goes? How about William Jefferson? Can you say "Cold Cash?"
  How bout Charlie Rangel? John Murtha? Tom Daschel?
  
  Holy shit.....does the list ever end? I could go on and on.....go ahead pick one....lets argue.
  
  I personally would like to see all corupt politicians thrown in the clink....but unlike you, I don't care what party they are affiliated with.....let the investigations begin....but lets do it across the board....and that will include a certain politicians birth records.
  

• andora said on Feb 26, 2009....

  are you serious?
  
  being born in Honolulu makes one an American citizen
  
  and D6, I have never tried to cover-up the corruption on the part of Democrats...if there were democrats here crowing about how patriotic their party is, i would point out just what you wrote above. me, i hate corruption no matter where it comes from, i just get worked up over the blatant GOP propaganda that has no soul. Democrats don't use religion to justify corruption or war. I will say that the democrats really let the nation down during the Bush administration and should have been more committed to oversight.
  
  Lobbying laws are going to get corrected by the democratic party however, and this is a very sore topic in our nation. Corporate lobbyists have turned our nation into a 3rd world country.
  
  40% of the nations food assistance is going to families that are employed full time! do you think democrats want the working families to be impoverished, no, they stand for social justice. the gop, on the other hand gets a kick out of demonizing and blaming the poor. so you see d6, i am not ignoring corruption on the part of individual dems, but i see the policy corruption of the GOP as being the nastiest aspect of the party. but, for some reason the corruption on the part of the GOP wreaks of hypocrisy....i won't boor you with more lists, but these guys are organized crooks that despise the american populace!
  

• curmudgeon said on Feb 26, 2009....

  Not just Blago, but Burris, his pick for Illinois Senate lied under oath.
  
  Democrat Charlie Rangel got really juicy deals on four apartments in a building in Harlem.
  
  Geithner somehow forgot to pay taxes for four years and now he's our Treasury Secretary!
  
  Daschle, Kilefer, Solis - all tax payment challenged Democrats.
  
  Of course, now Andora is going to claim that she's not a liberal, she's disappointed by Obama, blah blah blah, and then get back on her horse deriding Republicans.
  
  Same old tune. I'm glad you like hearing yourself singing it over and over.
  

• bloc said on Feb 27, 2009....

  it's funny watching people who fail to point out the corruption of their party complain that someone on the other side is doing the same thing. It's kind of like republicans suddenly caring about fiscal responsibility and the costs of things. 

• curmudgeon said on Feb 27, 2009....

  Yes indeed it is funny how people won't criticize the pol they supported for doing the exact same things the previous pol (whom they reviled most vociferously), did.

• andora said on Feb 28, 2009....

  the denial that continues to try to compare Obama to the bush cabal is going to be exposed as these guys turn on each other and testify under oath about the war crimes, prison corruption and the world's NAZI monster that is spraying poisons on villages around the world in the name of drug control...but those who care, know that our DEA is simply supporting their drug pins in the world: namely the pharmaceutical corps. Now that their boys are firmly in charge our nations youth are strung out on untested, fast tracked chemical compounds called medicine. In fact, it is legalized poison that is sold with misleading commercials. These are the same goons that jailed Wilhelm Reich and deprive all of us of the cures that have been around for quite some time.
  
  I often wonder why i bother talking to the walking dead?
  
  I doubt I will be here much longer to waste my time talking to those who willfully ignore the propaganda that was handed to them as patriotism
  
  my farm has gone to the next level and my best friend now will be living out there with me to plant a teak forest. Teak is an amazing hard wood, in about 50 years, we will beable to mill wood that will last for up to 1500 years once its built. These are plans made today that will keep my interest in life peaked. I can understand how those who simply live by propaganda could talk themselves into giving up because they see no clear path out of the paradoxical trap that is being demonstrated by our politics and religions.
  
  In this time of violent transition, those who step out of this trap can and will be living in an alternative reality with the living dead. my best friend, miss Aurora, is also planning life for her future. We have over a hundred varieties of edible plants in our nursery and our water system is getting set up as we speak.
  
  As we drove out to our farm yesterday, we stopped along the roadside to fill our water jugs with spring water. Everything that happened to us yesterday, including the traffic on the Hana Hwy, was seemingly synchronized with the divine. She got to see her knew home yesterday, the place where she will bring her giant tortoises. our eyes were full of the right kind of tears. These are not dreams of the insane, this is an alternative reallity we created of our own free will. The news you guys get from the corporate media that you mistakenly call the liberal media, has you duped and enslaved to corruption - its all you can see and probably keeps you connected to righteous indignation to the point that you still feel alive!
  
  sucks to be the living dead
  
  i'll post pictures from paradise to help you get your head out of Burris' stupid ass :]
  

• andora said on Feb 28, 2009....

  correction:
  
  "
  In this time of violent transition, those who step out of this trap can and will be living in an alternative reality withOUT the living dead."
  
  I think pictures would help more than my words, cus you guys only seem to go round and round
  
  I am so very grateful that the US is no longer split down the middle. Obama is so very skilled that he united the country without the consent of the Republicans. he has essentially proven that they are impotent, flailing and pathetically marching out their colored members to try to compete with Obama, but they fail to notice that he got elected because he promised to end the gridlock, not because he is half African American!. within a month he has succeeded without the party of no solutions (GOP) . With 88% approval and an international love for him that must rub your fur the wrong way curmudgeon, Obama has delivered. So, I disagree with his Middle East policy, but, I bet he will actually make a difference in Afghanistan, if anyone can, this guy can...especially children notice him. Children around the world are writing him letters of love and adoration. So, russia and dick/Haliburton couldn't do anything worthwhile in Afghanistan, but the new world's president has a huge mandate internationally. I expect him to surprise me in this regard. so, just bc i disagree with this part of his foreign policy....I love, love, love his way of governing.
  
  And now, Rupert Murdoch is in love with our president. go figure! you guys have been left behind by unreasonable people who are now seeing the light - O'reilley is now in the hot seat for lying/spinning. soon Limbaugh will be busted with an underage boy and shawn hannity will convert to Hinduism...and curmudgeon, SMB, Alien and D6 will be beating a dead horse on behalf of convicts...got Poindexter?
  

• D6fer said on Feb 28, 2009....

  Andora......you give me great internal conflict! I agree with so much of what you are saying. but then other things make me want to slap you silly! lol.....I am certainly not one of GWBs biggest fans since I feel he sold us down the river on a couple of important issues.....this whole bailout fiasco is a crock of shit....he started it and now Obama is continuing it....but here's my problem....OBAMA HAS FAR MORE RELEVANCE NOW THAN BUSH! We can't change the past.....but if Obama is heading us over a cliff we need to stop him......as far as I am concerned, he and both Bush's and Clinton are all cut from the same "one world one government" cloth......look at all of these greedy SOBs getting in line to get their huge government handouts....preparing themselves for the "new world order" where money will still be power....better get ahead of those Saudi Princes if you can I guess.
  And I agree on the prescription drug thing....I am not sure about the spraying/killing thing....I honestly haven't studied the subject.....apparently neither has Obama or Murdock eh?......Murdock btw, has always been a lib....he was just a smart business man who filled a huge niche with fox news....he is now in the process of trying to slowly steer that huge audience to his way of thinking.....fox news has drifted very slowly leftward in the last few years.....still has enough concervatives on board top keep the audience though.
  

• D6fer said on Feb 28, 2009....

  oh and for the record....no my dad was not a violent man....or at least that is not what he went to prison for (he was tough....ex navy boxer) he went for something that is no longer punished.....he wrote bad checks....one time while on parole, he was picked up for playing a pinball machine (was considered gambling legally at the time!) a violation of his parole! He passed away in 2001 with full veterans honors at his funeral.....he was a good man.

• andora said on Mar 01, 2009....

  well, God bless your dad and all people who are in need today D6
  
  I appreciate this conversation because neither one of us is right or wrong...we are simply trying to make sense out of all the conflicting info we keep getting. i know you guys love this country, and you need to know that i love all countries, but none as much as the US.
  
  i didn't know that murdoch was a liberal. i thought that a true liberal would have a conniption fit over all the propaganda that came out of fox news...like Obama is a terrorist muslim etc...but, that is another issue altogether.
  
  We need to stop pushing on Pakistan altogether...we are not winning a war, we are creating angry right wing Pakistani's to take over their gov. Pakistan is a democratic country, yet we tried to keep a general in charge bc we were afraid Pakistan would elect their version of Hamas, or Hezbollah...we are dead wrong here. although our fears will come true if we continue to bomb them anonymously with unmanned drones. i hear that Iran has drones now and because of our precident in this, they will have the ability to defend using them based on our own sorry tactics that refuse to leave countries alone just bc of an oil pipeline and port!
  
  putting alternative energy in place as fast as we can, and making Exxon bail out GM will help - but it is all too late....Paulson blew the window of opportunity and rather than give reasonable oversight over taxpayer bailout funds for big banks, he allowed them to plunder the American people and hedge their place in the global market that they do not deserve, bc they swindled other countries. We should have nationalized Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac and IMMEDIATELY stopped the foreclosures accross the country!
  
  Now, we are in a tailspin and much of what was creating our economy is collapsing rapidly. soup kitchens are already starting around the nation and we need to stop comparing bush to obama and get moving as a nation. finding a bottom in the real estate industry is the only way to keep the rest of this mess above water. but, they will spin their attempts to revive the dead patient (economy)....let's hope the people buy the lie like they bought all the other lies, cus this is a consensual economy. it doesn't work unless there are consumers and soon, we won't even have enough money for seed.
  
  anyway, you guys will figure it out.
  
  here in Hawaii, the Canadians are buying up property and keeping our market from tanking. but then, everyone wants to live in Hawaii, so we won't completely tank like Detroit of Philly....
  
  even tho i saw this all coming like a slow moving tank and tried to warn everyone i knew and continued to take heat here for predicting this shit storm, i hate what is happening, i take no comfort in my own good position bc i hate to see those who had faith in their gov lose their heart lose their savings and then kill their family and self as a solution.
  
  blessings
  

• D6fer said on Mar 02, 2009....

  I think people tend to overlook the fact that in the case of foreclosures, all of those that were lower income never paid a down payment and lived in those houses for at least a year without paying a cent before being evicted....that's better than rent!....it still hurts the overall economy, but don't get caught up in feeling sorry for those that lost those homes....they were never theirs anyway.....and those folks are probably better off today than when they took possession of the homes in the first place.

• bloc said on Mar 02, 2009....

  "all of those that were lower income never paid a down payment and lived in those houses for at least a year without paying a cent before being evicted"
  
  Huh? You don't think that most of them paid any payments?
  

• D6fer said on Mar 02, 2009....

  no....what I am saying is this......foreclosure doesn't happen instantly when you are late on your mortgage payment....it takes months....usually 12 to 18

• andora said on Mar 03, 2009....

  darling,
  
  this economy is hurting across the board, not just those unfortunate to be at the bottom of the food chain....many of those jumping from windows, shooting their families have been very successful peops that can't consider being at the bottom of the food chain. familicide is ramping up and military suicides are mushrooming and D6 finds the silver lining? No there is no way to make this bitter pill sweet my friend...
  
  and
  
  it is in times like these that innovation will make big moves and redesign what was a dysfunctional design. this is our moment to make agreement about what we would like to take the place of this defunct 'system'. Of course the first step of recovery is to admit the current system does not work. sans the blame game, we need to get to the part where people have a place to go and meaningful things to do when they get there.
  
  The UN Secretary General recently gave a ground breaking press release...which, is actually an answer to one of my long time prayers
  
  i'll post it today
  
  i see solutions, where, in the past, many were still under the illusion that this system was viable. now, we can get on the same page and dream up an equitable society that rewards those who play by the rules and does not make an alternative underworld of vice to push back. Our vice laws have been designing our society - and it is dark and frightening.
  
  aloha
  

• kevinunknown said on May 13, 2009....

  OK I HAVE HAD ENOUGH! You’re simply wrong

  You people really need to read some history books and the right ones. what your all saying about how it’s wrong for the Americans to be attacking Pakistan is wrong. Some of you facts are total bull shit. The Taliban weren’t created until the early 1990’s bozo so the CIA didn’t have anything to do with that or training Bin Laden he was a nothing to them back then the only western training he had was how to use a stinger missile and he was taught by SAS.

  The problem in Pakistan is that regions of the country especaly areas such as the swat province are they are now under Taliban control and there for if this problem is not tackled by fore the Taliban and even Al Qaeda could regroup. If this situation was to go completely ignored or left to the Pakistanis to deal with then Pakistan its self could turn into another Afghanistan.

  And it’s not just drone attacks the American military are involved with. CENTCOM are directly advising their counterparts in the Pakistani military. American and British Special Forces are also operating inside Pakistan. Most of this work will likely be surveillance of high profile targets and leaser designating targets for attack. The majority of this work is likely to be carried out by the CIA’s SAD division however due to the units small size its is unlucky that they could archive this role them self’s without the help of task force black.

  There is another dimension to this problem with Pakistan that requires intervention, this problem is the fact that Pakistan was the only contry to offialy recognise the Taliban as the official government of Afghanistan. The Taliban them self’s originated in Pakistan and were supported by ISI. There for not only is Pakistan not capable of dealing with the problem them self’s, history would suggest that they can’t be trusted to deal with it. Baring in mind that Pakistan is a nuclear power then this is truly a worrying state of affairs

  Yes I do agree with you that the loss of innocent lives is most unfortunate. However as I have explained if Barack Obama was to do nothing the consequences could be ultimately catastrophic for not only the middle east but also for global security as a hole if Islamic extremists were to get hold of one of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons

• curmudgeon said on May 14, 2009....

  kevin - you're justifying Obama's breaking of international law. That's your position and I respect it.
  
  But these missile strikes and alleged CIA and Special Forces operations are completely illegal as Pakistan has not officially given permission for them to be carried out. Congress has not declared war on Pakistan, so any American military activity within Pakistani borders is not legally authorised.
  
  The whole point of these body count posts is that the Bush hating anti-war liberals are giving their messianic President a pass on violating international law, killing civilians and conducting military ops without the public consent of Congress while fashioning a noose for any mid-level Bush bureaucrat unlucky enough to be cc'd on an interrogation memo. In other words, they forgive Obama for doing what he feels he needs to do to protect national security, but they want to string Bush's people up for doing the exact same thing.
  
  It's not about Obama's policy - it's about Bush-hating liberal anti-war hypocrisy.
  

• kevinunknown said on May 14, 2009....

  Well isn’t it just a shame that we live in a world where such operations have to be carried out. I would support these operations regardless of who is president. Due to the large number of such operations that are carried out in the world present day and in the past (Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Syria, Iran, Yemen, Georgia.... need I go on) I find it hard to belief it is against international law.

  These attacks are not against Pakistan they are against Islamic terrorists who have to be taken out and as I have explained the Pakistanis them self’s can’t do it without the help of the Americans. Also the Pakistanis have allowed the Americans to do it’s not like America have just walked. And they are giving the Pakistanis operational intelligence to aid them in their combat operations this intelligence its self comes from predator and reaper flights  

• curmudgeon said on May 15, 2009....

  Kevin -it is completely untrue that Pakistan is allowing these operations within their borders. During a recent visit to Pakistand, officials from the Obama administration and Congress were officially requested to halt the missile attacks. When reports came out that American Special Operations Forces were entering Pakistan, Pakistani officials vowed that American helicopters would be shot down.
  
  These operations are a complete violation of international law. If we judge Obama's actions to the same standards that liberals have judged Bush, Obama is undeniably a war criminal.
  
  But you will never hear a liberal criticize Obama for his criminal acts.
  

• kevinunknown said on May 16, 2009....

  Did you not read my post??? I am not a liberal I agree with these operations regardless of who is in the white house.

   You seem to have a problem with Obama. If you have a problem with these attacks then why don’t you also criticise bush for doing the same thing. To turn your argument on its head why is it ok for you not to say anything when bush dose the same thing, but when Obama dose it you criticize him, that is just hypocritical

  Under international law there is nothing wrong with defending your countries interests. If these attacks were on Pakistani infrastructure then I would agree that it is illegal. However these attacks are against Islamic terrorists who are using the lawless areas of Pakistan as a safe haven to stage attacks in Afghanistan ageist NATO troops and to train fighters to travel aboard to America and other counties to launch attacks. Indeed form a philosophical point of view these attacks are also allowed under just war theory because the aim is to prevent what could be perceived as an inevitable attack.

  You’re wrong in saying that the Pakistanis don’t agree with this. In public the Pakistanis are never going to agree completely too American help because the vast majority of their populations are extreme Muslims who don’t agree with letting infidels help with their domestic problems and if this problem is caused by a jihad then it is even worse politically in Pakistan to be seen needing American help. Therefore a Pakistani government will never want to been seen taking help form a non Muslim state for fear of public disproval. In any case this doesn’t really matter because a day after my first post on you blog I found an article in the New York Times that proves that the Pakistanis are ok with America helping.

  http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/14/world/asia/14drone.html

   

• curmudgeon said on May 19, 2009....

  Prove that the people who died in Pakistan were actually terrorists. If you cannot, then they were indeed violations of international law.
  
  We are not at war with Pakistan. How can any administration legally bomb a country with which we are not at war? Where is the congressional approval? Why is Congress funding operations against a country with which we are not at war?
  
  Over and over again you miss the point of this entire argument. The point is NOT that I disagree with this policy. The point is that Bush has been roundly criticized for doing what he believed was necessary to defend this nation and Obama is NOT being criticized for continuing Bush's policies.
  
  Meaning:
  a) As Obama is continuing Bush's policy in Pakistan, Bush had every right to defend this nation as he saw fit, and/or
  b) Obama's "anti-war" supporters are a bunch of hypocrites
  
  All of the above are the case.
  

• kevinunknown said on May 20, 2009....

  Ok there have been many well documented accounts off militants being killed in these attacks by both Bush and Obama do you really think either of them would do it just for kicks?

  If your problem is truly with the fact that when Bush done it people criticised him and when Obama dose it no one criticises him for it then why have you constantly claimed that it is illegal and wrong. Why do you bother to post a blog about this whenever there is a air strike in Pakistan. Would it not be more sensible of you to put just one blog up explaining that you don’t think it is right that when bush done it, it was wrong and when Obama dose it it’s right?

  Please stop being such a hypocrite, cant you see that makes you just as bad as the people who you are ageist.

• stopmediabias said on May 20, 2009....

  Kevin-What Curm very eloquently is saying is every aspect of Bush's foreign policy was hounded by the left with accusations of profit from oil, to comparisons to Hitler and the Nazis, war monger, etc etc.  And what did Bush do?  He took down an evil dictator and he ousted the brutal Taliban regime, both of which the majority of Democrats voted for.
   
  Now President Obama seems to be killing people in a country we are not at war with.  One could make the arguement it is justified and probably most people would agree.  But if one follows the logic of the left during the Bush years, what Obama is doing is far worse.
   
  And the lax news coverage is on a person who got elected on the basis that prejudice was finally gone, that people were to be treated equally, what a bunch of crap.  What Curm is proving here is what a bunch of cowards, fakes, and partisan nutjobs the anti-war left is.  How many prostests of Iraq and Pakistan have their been since Barack Obama took office?  We are still in Iraq and I thought yanking the troops out would end the war?  We are killing people in Pakistan and where are they?   

• curmudgeon said on May 20, 2009....

  smb - thanks. I appreciate someone who understands!!!
  
  kevin - there have also been reports that strikes in Pakistan during Obama's time in office have also killed women and children - again, against a country with which we are not at war.
  
  I'm posting body counts every time these strikes occur until I get some response from the anti-Bush nut jobs. Either they must defend Obama's actions, thereby exonerating Bush for his decisions, or they must admit that Obama is every bit he heartless warmonger that they say Bush was. So far the Bush-hating Obmaniacs have been silent on this matter.
  
  I have made clear in previous posts that to Islamic extremist leaders Obama and Bush are no different. If anything, they will push Obama around, as Iran is currently doing with its most recent missile test.
  

• stopmediabias said on May 22, 2009....

  Curm-I agree with you, I remember the body-count posts during the Iraq war and the money tickers that calulated the money it cost us to spend in Iraq.  Now we need the same for our current President's policies.  How about a ticker on just the interest his debt is going to accrue.

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