• pusscat said on Feb 15, 2009....

  What on this earth is in that woman's head?!  Mash potatoe instead of a brain?!
  
  It's one thing teaching your kids about the birds and bees but don't ram it down their throats way before they're ready.
  
  I just hope these kids get over whatever is going to happen to them and the things that already have.
  

• seer said on Feb 15, 2009....

  Wow that is well fucked up. 'Manipulate objects?'

   

  Jeez.

• Hans72 said on Apr 02, 2009....

  She was abusing those boys by asking them to do sexual things with her.  Having one of them take her picture, even nude, is not necessarily bad.  But taking pictures while she masturbates is way out of line, and having them ...do things to her is completely unacceptable.
  
  I can only hope that these boys will be sent somewhere better to live. 
  
  Sex should be between consenting ADULTS only.  I have no issue with consensual adult incest, but what she did was nothing of the sort. 
  

• seer said on Apr 05, 2009....

  You have no issue with adult incest?!
   
  hmm now that is interesting. Humans are supposedly innately disgusted by incest because thinning the gene pool has an adverse effect on the survival of our own genes - look at Alabama.
   
  I think if an older family member has sex with his nephew, son, daughter or any other younger member of the family I think its really fucked up because of the power and trust that is abused by the older family member, see what I mean?

• Hans72 said on Apr 11, 2009....

  Like I said, I have no issue with consensual ADULT incest.  A parent or other adult relative abusing a child is not consensual and it is not between adults.  The sexual abuse of children is the most heinous crime imaginable that doesn't involve murder.  But what two consenting adults do together in private that is not abusive is without a moral dimension. 
  

• seer said on Apr 12, 2009....

  Ok, I think its amazing that someone has taken that point of view seeing as it is still a social taboo.

  To be honest, even though I would never be incestuous, I honestly cannot find a reason to put a moral opposition to your views, probably because it doesn't exist - I guess you are right, if an adult male wants to sleep with another adult male, I have no problems with that, so if someone wants to sleep with their relitives, in a non-abusive concentual adult relationship then hey, why the hell not? Its like some of the things I have done sexually society would frown upon, but those things happened behind closed doors between me and concenting adults.

• Hans72 said on Apr 16, 2009....

  The taboo against incest between consenting adults does exist for a reason. When familial roles are conflated with romantic roles, it can cause problems.
  
  There is also the issue of inbreeding to consider. When two people are romantically involved, the desire to have children together can be very strong. So much so that it can cause a woman to forget to take her birth control pills. It isn't that she is consciously trying to sabotage things and become pregnant, but that her mind literally plays tricks on her and causes her to genuinely forget to take them, sometimes for long periods.
  
  But despite these problems, and many more I have not gone into, the choice to become involved with another adult ultimately and solely rests with those two people. If an adult brother and sister want to become lovers, then they will have to deal with the possible consequences of doing so. No one else has the right to make the choice for them.
  
  Now if they choose to have children together, then that is a different matter. At that point they are endangering the well-being of other people, namely their children. It is at that point that they have violated the rights of others and should be stopped.
  
  But when two related adults are simply enjoying each other sexually and have taken precautions to prevent pregnancy, then that relationship is not something that anyone else has the right to interfere with. A consensual sexual relationship between adults does not suddenly become a horrific ordeal simply because the people involved are related.
  
  The issue of incest is so confused and conflated with abuse that it is almost impossible to talk about incest that is not abusive. People hear the word incest and they immediately think of some poor child being abused by her father. As horrible as that is, it is not the only form of incest that exists. When a woman is raped, that is a form of sex, but it would be crazy to think that all sex is rape. The same goes for incest. There are children being abused by relatives, and that is a form of incest, but there are also adult relatives who are involved with each other, either romantically or just casually, but always consensually. You just can't compare those two situations and pretend that they are the same thing.
  
  How often do these relationships develop is hard to say. Kinsey's research indicates a level of incest on par with the levels of other common paraphilias, about 3%. If this is true, then that means that roughly one out of 33 people has experienced consensual sex with a member of their family. It means that you know people who have done this, you just don't know that they have. But even if the rate is only 1%, then that is still 1 in 100. The reason you don't hear about these cases is because there is nothing to be gained from disclosure. If someone is being abused then they have a strong incentive to seek help from others to stop that abuse. But when two people are enjoying a forbidden sexual relationship, they have absolutely no reason to tell anyone and a very strong incentive to keep that relationship a secret. Incest isn't just a taboo, it is illegal almost everywhere and people are prosecuted for it. Consent is not a defense.
  
  This is how things used to be with gay people. Decades ago you could be arrested for being gay. I've seen mug-shots of men and women who were arrested for being gays and lesbians back in the 40's. Gays and lesbians were very much in the closet. The difference is that when you're gay, seeking out others like yourself is still a priority. This makes keeping your nature an absolute secret impossible, unless of course you're willing to settle for celibacy or for living as a heterosexual. Gay people back then still sought each other out and developed means of doing so surreptitiously. But when you're involved with your sister, then there is no need to advertise. The social aspects of courtship fall away, allowing you to keep your relationship an absolute secret.
  
  So the next time you encounter a brother and sister who seem unusually close, or who give off vibes that start you to thinking that they might be involved, don't discount the possibility. There are many of us out there, even if we are living in secret.

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