You should listen to someone other that Andrew Sullivan and CNN. The biased media has helped get our country in the mess it is in now by reporting stupid stuff to try and make the Bush administration look bad. Their goal was to make things look so bad, everyone would vote for whichever loser the Democrats came up with, and they succeeded. We now have a real loser in the White House. As Dennis Miller explains just about every night, stupid liberals and the biased media have caused us to lose a valuable tool in the war on terrorists. That tool would be waterboarding. If that practice killed people, I would be against it myself. However, as Miller says, to have something like waterboarding is invaluable. It will cause just about anyone to spill their guts, but there is no way it is going to kill them. I just hope you, Andrew Sullivan, and the biased liberal media remembers Bush when the terrorists get brave enough to try their next ploy, and they will do something to test Borax. I am sure he will want to sit down with them and talk about it. God help us.
I cannot speak generally for Mr. Miller. I just loosely quote what he said on his daily radio show. I doubt that he is for real torture, like shoving bamboo under fingernails or whacking off fingers. Neither am I. The point is, water- boarding is not in that category. The point is also that the biased media made a mountain out of every molehill in order to get their boy elected, which they did. So enjoy the next four years, if you survive them. OhBummer is already back peddling on many issues. He is finding out the real scoop. He will soon be indistinguishable from Bush (or any other president) soon on many issues. Certain actions require set reactions. That is just the way it is. When the CIA or FBI report to Borax that a nuclear device is set of blow in some large U.S. city, you can bet your bottom that OhBummer will do whatever it takes to make sure it does not go off. Even if that means pouring some water in some terrorist's face. And if that device is planted in a city near you and your family, you had better hope that it works, that they get the information they need as quickly as they need it. It is like what I read in a James Bond book (I think it was). Sometimes the good guys have to be worse than the bad guys. How else will they beat them? Distasteful things happen in wars that the general public should not be exposed to. The biased media has dug all that up as if a Republican president is the only one who has ever had to deal with it. You can also bet your bottom that things worse than waterboarding have been done under every president. Not because they wanted it to, but because it was necessary. The other side typically chops off the heads of their prisioners. How does that compare with a little water in their faces on this side of the fence?
boarding is not in that category. "
Of course it is. The United States has prosecuted people for using this very technique in the past. Your moral relativism is unconvincing.
Kelly the United States prosecuted people for torture. Waterboarding in proper context is not torture because it doesn't rise to the level of extreme. We waterboarding someone for just over two minutes, the people we prosecuted did a whole host of torturous things along with waterboarding to the point the victim passed out several times.
If you guys had a single thing on Bush or Cheney you would have done it by now. There is nothing because they didn't break the law.
Could it be you are scared? Maybe a little bit of buyers remorse with the current President? Technically Bush and Cheney are gone and we have bigger problems that you seem to have taken your eyes off of. Now if President Obama captures a hardcore jiadist like Khalid Sheik Mohammed and he has five minutes to decide, hmmm waterboard or risk peoples lives, that's a tough one. What do you think he will do?
Stop using that idiotic ticking time bomb scenario. Some people's tiny brains cannot handle the truth. I love the way liberals end an arguement by calling your statements idiotic or calling you a Nazi. And, if you win a war, you get to punish the losers how ever you see fit. What do you think the Islamic extremists are going to do to all of us if they get the upper hand? People better start taking this crap serious or we will all soon be wearing rags on our heads and bowing to Allah. When our enemies fight honorably, we should certainly fight honorably. You know, the way our founders marched out to meet the British, the way we fought the way they did. When our enemies fly into buildings or blow up innocent men, women, and children, any measure should be used to head that off. War has no room for bleeding heart liberals. The biased media outing certain aspects of war to the general public is like doing a reality program in a public restroom. There are just some things that should be kept behind closed doors. That is why we elect people to do our dirty work. OhBummer will do it just the same as Bush did it or we will all soon be slaves to Islam.
The ticking time bomb is not that far fetched, Frontline's (PBS) torture site has some very interesting opinions, I wouldn't expect you to read it though.
Kalid Sheik Mohammed was captured in the dead of night, that leaves officials with very limited amount of time to find out what he knows. We waterboarded him, how would you have handled it? Maybe hand him a copy of Al Gore's global warming manifesto and as him to unclench his fist and please tell us where all of his friends are?
Kelly-If we capture someone that we know is in the midst of planning an attack and we capture them in the dead of night when no-one knows it there is a window of opportunity there.
Lets say myself and my two friends are planning a bank heist at 9:00 in morning and I get captured at 3:00 in the morning. When my friends discover I was captured they are going to vanish. But if we can get names by 4:00 and get them or information about what bank it makes sense the time.
He wasn't tortured, and virtually anything could be a ticking time bomb. An attack in the next month on the New York City subway system could technically be called a ticking time bomb.
Do you honestly believe that things have happened under Bush that have not happened under every president, even Lincoln or FDR? You probably do. If I were you I would leave this horrible country and go to China or one of those other great countries out there. I hear Mexico is warm if you are not slaughtered by some drug ganster. Maybe somewhere in the middle east where they think more like you. You do believe in whacking your wife's head off if you get tired of her, right? Or whacking off the heads of innocent journalists, right? I do not believe in torture either, but the difference in you and me is, I believe very little of what the liberal media says any more. I do not believe anything that Hollywood says anymore. They have lost all credibility and have left impartial journalism far behind. People the world over recognize that now even if half the poor saps in this country do not. So why should we believe any of the reports of torture that come from these lying bastards? You cannot lie about most of what you report (especially when it comes to Democrats and Republicans) and then expect anyone to believe you on something like this. I hear reports from people that have inspected Gitmo and they say there is no evidence of torture. And they have no track record of lying. So who do we believe? Why should we believe a pack of liars about anything? I have no doubts that some aggressive interrogations may have taken place (you see them every day on TV as you root for the "good guys"), but how can we believe a pack of liars that says it happens all the time when we know in whom they place their allegiance? You cannot have your cake and eat it, too.
