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For waking up late today I'm not doing that bad on getting things done.  I'm almost up to speed in so far as being ready for lunch with my friend.  I just found out my MIL will be released from the hospital today at some point, but still don't know what was wrong with her.  So I'll have to cut off with my friend early because of that, but that's ok, I'm sure she won't have a problem with it.

Well, I gained .6 lbs this past week.  That's all right though.  I'm not freaking out about it or anything.  I already know I'm in the next size down for jeans.  Also, it's not that hideously much and the way this week has gone, where it's been more of a "eat what's in front of you when you can get it" sort of scenario, I expected it.  Honestly, I expected more, so it was kind of a relief knowing it was that small of a gain.  I'm back on track this week. I intend on suggested a healthy place to go when my friend calls to let me know she's ready to go to lunch.

It feels as if things have gotten back to normal just a tad.  Nobody is home today but me and it's enabled me to get things done.  I'll have to go shopping sometime later for dinner, as my dad did another one of his signature switcharoos.  There was no reason whatsoever that we had to wait for him to go to the grocery store (which he blew off last night), he just was saying he was going to go.  If I had known that my husband and I would have gone right to the store and gotten that knocked out from the beginning.  So that's on today's slated plans, at some point.  I was going to do it right after getting together with my friend, since she lives right behind the grocery store, but I may have to head home early to get my MIL if my SIL is not available.  Kind of up in the air, which bothers me, but then it doesn't because even though it's all open ended, I've still got sort of an action plan.

There were creepy things going on today.  Two high school age kids were walking down the road with their back packs as I was leaving for the WW meeting this morning.  That's pretty unusual, and I've never seen those two before.  So I was a little worried about that.  Nothing awry at home though, so no big deal.  However, on my way home, even closer than the two kids with the back packs, there was some scroungy, creepy looking guy on a bike with a black trash bag that was off his bike but hopped on it really quickly as I passed.  He was riding his bike in our direction too.  Normally people like that aren't out here either, and I've never seen him before.  There's a lot of bikers that go through here and damn near all of them we at least recognize and know that they usually come through.  It's only of special concern because there's also been a white van riding around out this way for the last couple months breaking into houses randomly.  The van was actually sitting up at the top of the hill opposite of ours last night and when one of my FIL's friends passed through to come visit the van flipped his high beams on and slowly started heading in our direction. 

Well, I think that's all for now.  I'm working up another short story, or something to that effect.  I've decided that those are what I'm going to aim myself as, as short stories are a problem spot for me.  I have NEVER been successful with them.  I'm more the type of writer to write a huge, long, chapter filled story.  Once I get going I have a hard time stopping short.  It all just flows out and before I know it I've got a 300 to 600 page document.  I'm going to try to aim to get better at writing stories that only take up 5 maximum pages.  So, in the spirit of that I have some questions for anybody reading:

  1. Is 5 pages maximum even a little too long?
  2. What do you most expect to get out of a short story?
  3. What immediately turns you off of a short story?
  4. Is it more important to have a readable "just because" story than it is to have a moral/theme to the story?
    • By that I mean, does it bother you if there is no moral. Some stories can just be written "just because".  Sort of like if you were to tell somebody a story that happened to you with no moral to it, you just tell it because it's entertaining.
  5. Do you prefer the moral/theme to be blatant and easy to find or do you like having to think about it a bit and pull the moral from it yourself?
    • I mean do you want the moral expressed plainly, or more subtly?




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  • MissMimi said on Jan 21, 2009....
    1.  I don't think 5 pages is too long.  Nor do I think it's too short.
     
    2.  I expect to be entertained.  I want to be able to identify in some way with the characters.  It's always memorable if I'm touched emotionally by a story.
     
    3.  Misspelling and poor grammar.  I know that has nothing to do with plot and character development, but there have been times when I've stopped reading a story because of it. ( I freely admit I'm a hard ass about it.)  The storyline needs to be logical, at least somewhat.  If I can't follow what the author is trying to say, I won't read it.
     
    4 and 5.  If your story has a theme or a moral, then I think it needs to be subtle.  I don't want to be told how to feel by the author.  I'd rather come to my own understanding of what the author is trying to say.  And I happen to think that stories that are just fun for the sake of being fun are just fine.  I don't need everything I read to have deep philosophical meaning.
  • fragglesrock said on Jan 21, 2009....

    hey hege!

    1. Is 5 pages maximum even a little too long? - i don't think it's too long but i once had a writing instructor tell me "less is more, if you can say it with less words then do so"
    2. What do you most expect to get out of a short story? - entertainment?
    3. What immediately turns you off of a short story? - flowery fluff
    4. Is it more important to have a readable "just because" story than it is to have a moral/theme to the story?
      • By that I mean, does it bother you if there is no moral. Some stories can just be written "just because".  Sort of like if you were to tell somebody a story that happened to you with no moral to it, you just tell it because it's entertaining.  - entertainment is good. no moral is fine.
    5. Do you prefer the moral/theme to be blatant and easy to find or do you like having to think about it a bit and pull the moral from it yourself? - i like having to think about it a bit
  • silver_phoenix said on Jan 21, 2009....

    1. Is 5 pages maximum even a little too long? nope it's a good limit
    2. What do you most expect to get out of a short story? some sort of resolution to the conflict
    3. What immediately turns you off of a short story? vagueness, too much description, and if it's literary in nature
    4. Is it more important to have a readable "just because" story than it is to have a moral/theme to the story? * By that I mean, does it bother you if there is no moral. Some stories can just be written "just because". Sort of like if you were to tell somebody a story that happened to you with no moral to it, you just tell it because it's entertaining. a basic short story has 2-3 characters, a setting, time and place, a conflict, a resolution/no resolution, a theme or moral, dialogue (indicates action) No dialogue means there is too much exposition and no plot because all exposition leaves the story still
     5. Do you prefer the moral/theme to be blatant and easy to find or do you like having to think about it a bit and pull the moral from it yourself? * I mean do you want the moral expressed plainly, or more subtly? if there is a theme/ moral i'd prefer it to be obvious. if i have to think to much, i may actually miss the intended moral/ theme
  • wombat said on Jan 21, 2009....
    Just reading along, really, but hope you still keep a watchful eye out where you live.  All that unusual activity would worry me, too.
     
    1. Is 5 pages maximum even a little too long?

    I think the number of pages (words) only has to do with how many it takes to be precise, tight and complete.  Or for a contest, for example---it might even be shorter than the maximum allowed.

    1. What do you most expect to get out of a short story?

    All the enjoyment of a longer story--compacted.

    1. What immediately turns you off of a short story?

    Too much unnecessary info, dialog  etc.....alot can be said better in a sentence rather than a paragraph.

    1. Is it more important to have a readable "just because" story than it is to have a moral/theme to the story?
    2. Neither is more important--depends on what your aim is.
      • By that I mean, does it bother you if there is no moral. Some stories can just be written "just because".  Sort of like if you were to tell somebody a story that happened to you with no moral to it, you just tell it because it's entertaining.
    3. Again, depends on the purpose.  If it's to convey moral, then it should be clear.  If it's just to tell a story, then it should just tell a story.
    4. Do you prefer the moral/theme to be blatant and easy to find or do you like having to think about it a bit and pull the moral from it yourself?
      • I mean do you want the moral expressed plainly, or more subtly?
    5. If it's too easy to find, it's more like a child's fable.  It should leave you with something to think about, even without realizing that it was supposed to.
    Boy, this all messed up, but I am not about to re-do!  So, hope you can just pick it out and read it as is.  The reason I liked this questionaire is because I wrote a terrific (if I may say so myself) short story and submitted it to a magazine contest, and I fully expected to win it was so different and actually good!  I didn't even hear who won.  Sucks big time!   But good luck with whatever you write.  If you have any advice for a part-time writer, I'm all ears......
  • Hegemone said on Jan 21, 2009....
    Thank you ALL for responding and answering those questions.  Mucho helpful and I definitely can pull a lot from it.  It'll give me some guidance as I dive into different things.  I'm not saying whatever I might post next will be perfect, but I'm going to try to keep all of these sorts of things in mind and produce something that's more to the reader's liking as opposed to what I just felt like writing.  After all, those sorts of things are written with the intention to be read by others, not myself!

    Wombie: 
    • Biggest thing, as you see here, pay attention, and I mean GOOD attention, to what your target audience will be interested in.  It's no use writing something that they aren't interested in or can't relate to.  Granted, I'm all for trying to write something so amazing that it will pull anybody in ... but it helps a lot to select a target audience.  I learned that a few years ago and it helped me really focus. 
    • Another thing, less is definitely more.  I'm constantly going back through what I write to see if I can take uneccessary things out.  I don't do this as obsessively with my blogs, but with things I'm writing as a story, I try to. 
    • One more thing, don't be afraid of feedback, even if it's negative.  If you're intending on sharing a story with people ...  you can't be overly sensitive.  Not everybody will like it.  Hell, there's even the possibility that NOBODY will like it.  Take whatever constructive criticism you can and learn from it.  Ignore the A-holes out there that just read so they can insult you without offering any reason why they didn't like it.  I've found that most readers, if they don't like a story, will tell you why they didn't like it.  Those that don't are just out to be shitheads, or they're jealous because they couldn't just come out and write something that was worth reading (or they get major negative feedback themselves).
    • Don't forget to take yourself out of the story.  Everything makes perfect sense to you because YOU'RE writing it.  The reader hasn't written it and they may not have been along the way discussing it with you either.  So you've got to make sure it's reader friendly.
    I'm by no means a professional, I just love writing and I've come to learn a few things over the years.  I'm also open for any suggestions you've found on your end.  It's just a hobby of mine, but it makes me happy.
  • wombat said on Jan 21, 2009....
    I appreciate this all so much...and you can't begin to know why.  I have something ongoing that hurts in the core of me, but just might be a good direction for me to go if I ever get serious about what I want to do.  I don't want it to be a hobby, but a means to an end.  I just have trouble with the means.  Never mind.  I will keep reading and thinking from your comments. Thank you.
  • Hegemone said on Jan 21, 2009....
    Wombie, I'm glad any of it could help.  I'm not entirely sure what you've got going on, but I do wish you luck with it and hope it all turns out well.  If you ever want to discuss anything any further, and I don't mean telling me whatever you've got going on (as I understand it may be something you'd rather keep private) you can PM me anytime you wish if you're looking for some encouragement or any suggestions.

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