• andora said on Jan 04, 2009....

  i understand your outrage and I remember all of the Israeli children that were slaughtered
  
  neither side of this war have conducted themselves properly...but, it is war
  
  there is no solution, other than to stop the violence and to allow for a two state solution, in my not so humble opinion, the West Bank should be united with Gaza by annexing the extreme Southern corridor btween these two Palestinian territories from Israel...yes, these alotted lands are similar to Native American Reservations that occurred as a result of genocide...but, what is to be done? can't kill out either side!
  

• sheltercrow said on Jan 04, 2009....

  All of the Israeli children that were slaughtered? Surely you jest. As a test why don't you do a search for "all the slaughtered Israeli children." Then come back when you gets your facts correct.
  
  Then do a search for all the children that Israel has slaughtered.
  

• andora said on Jan 04, 2009....

  yesss shelter it is a David and Goliath story
  
  each side wants to put their king on the throne
  
  everyone gets hurt - everyone polarizes
  
  no one wins
  
  blah blah blah blah
  
  what do you suggest?
  
  you didn't like the solution i offered, so what is yours?
  

• sheltercrow said on Jan 04, 2009....

  You didn't offer a solution.
  
  Israels lie machine Exposed - Jan 03, 2009
  
  
  
  • "Israeli citizens have been under the threat of daily attack from Gaza for years."
  
  Palestinians have been under harsh Israeli occupation for 60 years.
  
  • "Only this week hundreds of missiles and mortars shells were fired at Israeli civilian communities."
  
  Only one in 500 Qassam rockets causes a fatality. How many thousands of Israeli bombs, missiles, rockets, grenades and tank-shells have been blasted into the crowded city and towns of the Gaza Strip by Israels high-tech weaponry?
  
  • "Until now we have shown restraint. But today there is no other option than a military operation."
  
  The only legitimate option for Israel is to end the occupation and withdraw behind its 1967 border, as required under international law and UN resolution. Israel has been killing Palestinians at the rate of 8 to 1 since 2000, and children at the rate of nearly 12 to 1 (BTselem figures). This is somebodys idea of restraint?
  
  • "We need to protect our citizens from attack through a military response against the terror infrastructure in Gaza."
  
  Self defence is not a right exclusive to Israel. Palestinians have an equal right to protect their citizens from the terror tactics of Israel.
  
  • "Israel left Gaza in order to create an opportunity for peace."
  
  Israel never left Gaza. It still occupies Gaza's airspace and coastal waters and controls all entrances and exits.

• andora said on Jan 05, 2009....

  yes i did
  
  I said that the West Bank and the Gaza strip should be joined by a Southern corridor. A two state solution cannot be had with the West Bank being separated from Gaza.
  
  all of this will be a moot issue if the Ethiopian desert continues to calve off a new continent. When the horn of Africa splits deeply enough it will drain the Red Sea and the gulf of Aiden. then everyone will be too busy surviving massive earthchanges to worry about racial/ethnic/state boundaries. And it is splitting as we speak. I was hoping that earthchanges would trump all of the lowly human injustices that come from thinking we are separate to begin with...many are too busy to notice that the pot of water is heating up and the crust on the top is re-arranging itself
  

• sheltercrow said on Jan 05, 2009....

  The Zionists must get back to the Green Line of the 1967 border and the entire region must be disarmed of their military. No nukes, no helicopters, no rockets, no jets. For a fraction of the military/economic aid money the U.S. has been pouring into the Israeli/Egyptian economies a U.N. peacekeeping force could be stationed in the appropriate locations indefinitely.

• kelly said on Jan 05, 2009....

  "As a test why don't you do a search for "all the slaughtered Israeli children." Then come back when you gets your facts correct."
  
  
  Well, if you do you'll likely get some hits for all the children that were part of the six million Jews that were murdered during WWII.  The point being not that Israel is right or wrong, but simply that if you belong to a group of people that others attempted to exterminate twice then you're likely to become extraordinarily sensitive to your own survival.

• sheltercrow said on Jan 05, 2009....

  kelly: "The point being not that Israel is right or wrong"
  
  I am old enough to have heard that excuse a thousand times. It worked when I young didn't know the history of the Zionist movement. Not any more. Using the holocaust as an excuse for the Israeli actions is cowardly. I am more inclined to Norman Finkelstein's view of events. See his The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering. I'm quite sure your familiar with his work.
  
  ...others attempted to exterminate twice? How so? Lets be brutally honest here. The American Indian and the Australian Aborigine were potential victims of total extermination. The Jews lost population but were never threatened with total extermination outside mainland Europe.
  

• sheltercrow said on Jan 05, 2009....

  If what the Israelis is doing is so noble then why is press not allowed to observe?
  
  
  Despite Court Order, Israel Won’t Let Journalists Into Gaza
  
  Press Office Says Letting Foreign Media Into Gaza Would Give Hamas Reports Credibility
  
  Posted January 2, 2009
  
  Israel’s long-standing ban on foreign journalists entering the Gaza Strip has made accurate and up-to-date reporting on the now week-long war among the most difficult propositions in the modern era. Most stories rely on official reports from Hamas, the United Nations, and the Israeli government.
  
  The Foreign Press Association (FPA) has engaged in a protracted battle in the Israeli Supreme Court to get the ban lifted, and seemingly won a limited victory on Wednesday, when the court ordered the Israeli government to allow a handful of reporters into the strip for the purposes of covering the ongoing air strikes. Ultimately the Israeli Justice Ministry pared down the list, saying it was ok with eight foreign journalists entering the strip.
  
  But even that appears to have been wishful thinking as the Israeli military and foreign ministry engage in an unprecedented level of information control, as it is being reported today that though the crossings were briefly opened to allow foreigners to flee from the strip, they still wouldn’t let any journalists in.
  
  The Israeli Government Press Office seems to prefer it that way, as director Danny Seaman says the government is unhappy with the way foreign press have historically conducted themselves in Gaza, and allowing them in would only give credibility to reports from Hamas.
  
  As Israeli officials continue to publicly condemn the media for broadcasting images from the Gaza Strip, it seems to prefer that the only footage coming out of the strip does so by way of Israeli military’s carefully censored YouTube feed. But even that isn’t free of contention, as Haaretz reports that the footage of a truck carrying “dozens of rockets” was actually a welder’s truck.
  
  If everything is, as Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni said, “completely as it should be” in the Gaza Strip. the decision to bar journalists not just from the strip, but from getting anywhere near the strip, would send an even more troubling message about the Israeli government’s almost crazed obsession with restricting the media. That, or it is simply worried about letting the world see what Minister Livni’s view of Gaza as it should be actually looks like.

• sheltercrow said on Jan 05, 2009....

  A pretty good observation here:
  
  
  Barak, Up in Polls Since War's Start, Milking It to the Max
  
  Israel's Minister of Defense, Labor Chairman Ehud Barak, is up (along with his party) by five seats and 44%, from 11 to 16, in opinion polls since the start of the war. Most Israelis are pretty much united behind the basic justice of AN action, and too fed up to pay attention to niceties, like a few dozen kids in collateral damage, or the right of dissent.
  
  They are also, temporarily, blind to such niceties as thinking a step ahead of instant gratification. They'll get there as soon as it becomes obvious (something they have a keen eye for) and demand answers and investigative commissions and rolling of heads galore. But for now, the Masters of War are hailed as heroes.
  
  So Barak, who had plummetted to pretty extraordinary depths of unpopularity prior to the offensive[1], is milking his re-found cache as a brave and capable general for all its worth.
  
  Down cometh the lord, from his $11 million condo in Tel Aviv's Akirov Towers (money for which has never been clearly accounted for, btw, for someone who until 2001 worked his entire life in government service. But I digress). Down cometh the lord, as we said, and down he goes to the southern town of Sderot, the name which has become synonymous with hamas's primitive qassam rockets. Lord Ehud hath not come merely to visit, and buck up the loyal commoners with a hearty slap on the shoulder. Oh no! Our Lord of Combat giveth personal example, verily.
  
  Ok, ok, plain english: He rented a house there. He's moving there for the duration of hostilities. Ain't that just a grand gesture? Now you'll excuse me, please. I have some gastric acid I have yet to retch.
  
  Notes:
  
  1. The swell of opinion against Barak reached such levels, that he was seen as shrewd to base his entire elections campaign around the no-longer-deniable fact: The slogans on the billboards and on banners online  read: "Not a Chum; A Leader", "Not Trendy; A Leader", etc)
  

• kelly said on Jan 06, 2009....

  "Using the holocaust as an excuse for the Israeli actions is cowardly."
  
  
  You weren't "listening" to me.  I offered no excuse but merely an insight into why the Israelis might be very quick to make decisive and overly strong retaliation.
  
  
  I think Israel is making a big mistake.  I also think Hamas and the Palestinians/Arabs in general need to stop calling for the genocide of the Jews.  It's a two-way street.
  
  
  Don't force me to take sides.  If you force me to take a side I'll choose the side that has Democracy, egalitarianism and science on its side.

• sheltercrow said on Jan 06, 2009....

  kelly: Do as you like. "Democracy, egalitarianism and science" do not make a shits difference when there are no human rights.

• PieterOpie said on Jan 09, 2009....

  There are civilian casualties!  There are civilian casualties!  There are civilian casualties!  There are civilian casualties!  There are civilian casualties!  There are civilian casualties!  There are civilian casualties!  There are civilian casualties!  There are civilian casualties!  There are civilian casualties!  There are civilian casualties!  There are civilian casualties!  There are civilian casualties!  There are civilian casualties!  There are civilian casualties!  There are civilian casualties!  There are civilian casualties!  There are civilian casualties!  There are civilian casualties!  There are civilian casualties!  There are civilian casualties!  There are civilian casualties!  There are civilian casualties!  There are civilian casualties!  There are civilian casualties!  There are civilian casualties!  There are civilian casualties!  There are civilian casualties!  There are civilian casualties!  There are civilian casualties!  There are civilian casualties!  

• ipmat said on May 11, 2009....

  so what are you trying to say ..........???????????????

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