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1: Striking your child until they are dead.
2: Breaking your child's arms and legs, then pull him or her apart so that he or she dies by bleeding to death.
3: Putting your baby into an acidic solution till your kid's flesh blisters off
4: Killing your child then using his or her body parts for medical experimentation
5: Using a large vacuum to suck up your child, stomach first, so that he or she is dead
6: Punching a hole into your kid's head and sucking out his or her brains so that the child's head collapses.
7: Strangling your child with a rope.
8: Poisoning your child so that he can't get nourishment so that he or she dies of starvation.
 
Give up?  The answer may surpise you.  None of these is child abuse as long as you do it just before your child is born.  Until then, it is simply destroying a "mass of tissue."  No need to suffer conscience pains for it either.  Anyone who feels sorry for the baby - uh, I mean, the "mass of tissue" is obviously fanatical and isn't worth respecting.  I mean, what kind of a wimp is the person who thinks that the little life in his mother's womb is actually alive?  Sure he or she has 100% human genes.  Sure, he or she, at the time of the killing, is viable and can allowed to be given a normal birth (or put in an incubator) or allowed to develop normally.  But that should be a reason to keep that mass of tissue alive, right?  Besides we can harvest their bodies (oh, did I say "their," I meant the "masses of tissue") for medical experiments. 
        Hitler had no problem with that idea.  Nor did Hero Hito of Japan.  Nor do the Ku Klux Klan members who strung up the slaves on tree limbs.  Nor do the North Koreans who kill whom they will who are genetically pure Koreans.  In fact, this line of reasoning is par for the course for everyone in history that we call a "despot" or a "mass murderer" or someone who commits "genocide" or the like.
        So to you wimps who think its child abuse to kill your kid, I mean, "mass of tissue" without it being child abuse, then you have to start thinking like Hitler.
         By the way.  I"m a "wimp" too.  I"m a respector of human life.  Abortion is murder.  You folks who think it's just a matter of "choice" will have to stop thinking about your convenience and start thinking about your victims.  So far, in America alone, there are over 50,000,000 victims of this premeditated death.
        Why can't you hear the screams of your victims?  They will haunt you in your dreams.  They will show themselves in the middle of the night when you crave rest but can't find it.  They will sing choruses to you in your mind in a tune that can't be ridded.  Your sanity will ebb away.  You will lose your ability to focus for the guilt you hide.  Your knowledge of what you have done will be a perpetual curse.  Your happiness will flee like a runaway kite.  Your spirit will be heaver than lead and darker thn coal.  Your mind will break like a clay pot accidently dropped.  Your hands will fail to grasp and your cries will wake others in your house as you stir from your nightmare.  You will have no calmness, no rest, no peace.  You will see the face of your victims in every infant that you see a loving mother carry and you will curse your "choice" until the day of your death.  And whenever you see red wine you will think of blood.  Finally, when you die, only the prolifers will mourn for we hate the death of anyone, even prochoicers.  And we will pray for you for when you have to explain to God why you ever called your precious boy or girl a "mass of tissue" and you called murder "prochoice." 
        It is what it is.  You can't get around it with a plattitude, a euphamism or a strange twist of thought.  It is homicide in the worst form.  Premeditated, executed with long forethought, even paid for with money you saved up to do it.  It is a torturous death, ugly and filled with blood.  It is painful for any child whose brain is developed enough to feel it and there is no restriction on how old a child can be or how well developed he or she can be before you kill him or her.
       So you prochoicers, you prodeahers, are damning yourselves to the consequences of your actions.  Your only hope is to repent and believe in saving grace.  Let your bodies be leansed by the blood of Jesus. 


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  • seer said on Dec 27, 2008....

    PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS MAN HE IS A BULLY.

     

    Please, I'm a pro-choicer (or Nazi, as Dobbs prefers to call me), and I've actually done some research. Anyone suffering post traumatic stress from abortion I urge you to contact me and I'll help you with your next steps.

    Thanks

  • seer said on Dec 27, 2008....
    Very good Dobbs. Except for the following -
     
    1.) I have scars and I have broken bones protecting the weak and women from bullies like you.
     
    2.) To me, saying I killed my baby in cold blood is a compliment. That shows that I have total commitment to what is right.
     
    3.) Hitler did not pro-choice. He genocided. The connection between Hitler and Abortion is rediculous. That's like linking chalk to McDonalds. Its a bullying tactic to guilt people who have had abortions into believing this crap you constantly talk about.
     
    4.) I would like to know where you got your information about Abortion. It was emotionally stressful for me to find out, but I did some research - http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/health_advice/facts/abortion.htm
    and as you can see, there's no mention of the bloody gore you continually talk about. First Tirimester abortions, like the one my ex girlfriend had, are not removing anything large. I've seen pictures of cell masses that have been aborted at 8 weeks, they are around 1cm. To say it had a personality is once again, pretentious bullying scare tactics.
     
    5.) Destroying a 1cm mass of cells or 'genociding millions of babies', is nothing unethical. You see, taking the morning after pill is a form of abortion as in it stops a baby from forming from the primative tissues. An 8 week old embrio does not have eyes. Nor can it say daddy. And to be honest, they're so tiny they won't need to be hacked up, or have their skull imploded, because they won't have a defined skull. Disposing of an embrio of this form is like throwing away sperm. If you think that every sperm is a living baby and must be cherished, go right ahead.
     
    6.) If you are going to have an abortion, make sure you can justify it to yourself. Not to this bully here. Because this is what matters. And Dobbs, I'm going to post this after every post you've ever written you crypto-faschist.
  • WriterCarlDobbs said on Dec 27, 2008....
    Wwe were all at that stage once.  The baby, once born, continues to change shape.  It is able to survive after the birth, but not on its own.  What constitutes human life is simply this:  If the baby is in any developmental stage (that means until the child is fully grown) it is the same thing as the 9 months in the womb.  It is one long progression and exiting the womb does not do anything material to the child.  It is the same child before and after.  Nothing is special about the birth canal that changes the baby even a little bit.  So how do you make a moral difference between killing the baby before or after the birth?  There is no logical distinction.  It is all a natural progression.  I think that you just want to be able to kill people without it being a crime.  And a person who is at his or her weakest point, helpless and depending on you.  You would let this  human being down?  They do feel pain as they are being twisted apart by cold tongs.  You have no human compassion if you can kill a baby.  For you, any excuse would do.
  • WriterCarlDobbs said on Dec 28, 2008....

    These two sites will convice anyone that babies are torn apart from abortion.  Warning:  It is very, very disturbing.  Do not see this unless you are at least 18.  This can traumatize.

     

    http://www.prolife.com/

     

     http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6152070479992487290

    *       When an abortion is done early,there is no dismembership.  I can be done.  However, abortions can happen, and do happen, late term and can legally be performed up till the time just prior to birth.  Partial birth abortions were  legal for some time.

          This is when they dismember the baby.  Examine prolife sites to see the carnage.  It is well documented.  They break the arms and legs off.  When they crush the head it is refered to as "Number one" to avoid calling it a head.  Look for the entire story.

          Also, what good is it to argue that it is not bloody when the child winds up just as dead?  Would it satisfy a conscience to know that it was done before the child could feel pain?  The baby doesn't deserve death.  The method of killing the child isn't the primary question.  It is a homicide just as much as if you were killed before you were born.  There are people who are called "abortion survivers" where a botched abortion allows them to live. Ask them about their opinion about whether or not it is a murder.

  • WriterCarlDobbs said on Dec 28, 2008....
    These links will demonstrate that embryos look quite human at 8 weeks and are mangled, torn and destroyed at all stages of development.  To kill even the youngest embryo is taking a life that is human despite the early  state of development.  A tiny baby that is born looks nothing like a mature human too.  What does that have to do with anything?  It is one continuous progression from conception to birth to full physical maturity at the age of about 18.  Where is the division?  Consciousness?  A sense of identity?  How about the simple potential for consciousness and human thought in all of its facets.  I am afraid that when people start killing others with any type of rationality that they say, "yes, that seems right! Let's do it!" is hardly objective.  There is only subjective opinion and that means that one day, you, yourself, may be put into the category of "numan" or "nonhuman."  It happeded to the slaves, the Indians (who were "savage humans" and everyone people have ever wanted to kill.  Same thing.  Same thing.  Where will it stop?  We have to establish human rights for all humans, even when they are one cell small on the basis that subjective opinion about when a person can be killed without calling it murder has frequently had extreme results for those that are placed in that category.  Therefore whether it is a "mass of tissue" at 1 day old and not a "mass of tissue" at 50 years old is purely a definition of convenience.  We are still all massess of tissue - unless you wish to prove a spiritual element that is in us that is not in us at the age of one day after conception).  
             You have no objective logic, only opinion that is quite convenient.  This is also called "rationalization."   It is not objective and there can be no imperical proof.  Therefore this results in the deaths of 1.3 million people every year who are between 1 day old after conception, to just about 9 months old after conception.  For abortion applies to BOTH and therefore any talk about a tiny mass of tissue is irrelevent.  The prochoice right given to women is black and white.  Once they have it it is not restricted to tiny bits of baby.  A fully mature, perfectly healthy baby ready to be born is also included.  The shades of grey you mention above are not an issue.  The ability to choose death of the baby is.
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-

    This next one dispels any myth that a 7 or 8 week embryo is not human.  They have all the body parts. 

    6152070479992487290http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-672670109099506418&hl=en 

  • seer said on Dec 29, 2008....
    Whatever. I've said my part. I know I'm right. And you just repeating what the pope said. Jeez, if I could 'prochoice' all the 'prolifers' and anyone that resembles you I'd be so happy. Oh and if I ever met you, I would gladly get a life sentace for murdering you - we've already established I'm a killer and I really think the world would be better if you didn't exist.
  • stopmediabias said on Jan 22, 2009....

    Dobbs-While I am probably on your side I think your line of thinking is what creates the attitude demonstrated by seer.  All this does is create a bigger space between the two sides.

    Seer- I am completely and totally against nearly all forms of abortion, but my take is slightly different and I would like your opinion.

    I think that abortion is bad for woman.  I am a male and I cannot even fathom having to go through what a woman has when she suddenly discovers she is pregnant.  She could be single, she could be a teen, she could be a college student, she could be an executive in a fast-paced job, etc and now in the next 9 months she is going to swell up the size of watermelon then be responsible for another human life.  This has to be the equivalent of an anvil being dropped out of the sky.  Add on to this the fact that a womans body, emotions, hormones, and overall physical being changes when they get pregnant.

    When a woman in the situation above chooses abortion it is sunk in secrecy for obvious reasons.  Then she has to walk the moral tightrope and listen to people on left saying its like removing your tonsils and people on the right saying its murder. 

    The fact of the secrecy means woman can be and have been exposed to terrible doctors and/or abortion clinic-mills, sexual assault, financial taking advantage of, blackmail, etc

    Add onto this the physical and emotional side effects, for some woman dealing with the sense of loss.  And last but not least the ABC link.

    Based on all this I think a case for diminished capacity could be made.  I think as a society we can do better than abortion.  As a man I think our woman deserve far better this.  There has to be a better way of dealing with un-wanted pregnancies.  And most of all woman should not have to go through such a thing alone.

     

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