My sister has been ging through her divorce for ages and ages.. feels like forever, for her I'm sure longer.  Anyway, she has very high expectations of people, especially our father.
 
Its a difficult thing to communicate the relationship she and I have with our father.  He is not the sort of man who is easy with his emotions or the way in which he shows or says how he cares.

A lot of it has to do that as a younger man who didn't particularly want children got stuck with two young girls to bring up, he never quite knew what he was doing and from my perspective tried to teach us to rely on ourselves, to support ourselves.  Now I've taken this in my own way however of late my sister has been taking it differently.
 
To boot she has also changed the way in which she communicates, forgetting that the way in which she treats our father has not changed, she has not included him in this new way of communicating.
 
It gets confusing huh? anyway, she actually had it out with his wife the other night (Dads wife, our step mom) frankly I thought she was blunt, that is my sister, very black and white, I'm use to her but I still need to remind her that I am not black and white.
 
She basically started to say she didn't want anything to do with him because he couldn't support her emotionally and morally the way she wanted.  I kid you not that made me almost jump out of my chair, for me she's expecting him to change and be a different person just for her needs and whims.  He isn't well, hasn't been for a while and to be honest I'm not bothered if he never asks me how my life is going so long as I tell him myself I know he's cool with that.
 
My sister was about to throw away a relationship with our father because he wasn't giving her what she needed or wants him to say/do or be.  I kid you not it has taken me the last two days to try and open up the window's in her stuffy room so she may see that it isn't about her... that our parents are never usually what we want them to be, they probably still feel like they're flying on a wing and a prayer even with adult children, who knows the answers?? god?  I also said to her that her children deserve and have a right to know their grandad, I said that I felt her impending actions of non contact were childish, selfish and completely appaling.
 
There were a lot of other things said, yet the one thing I think that got through to her was that for a very lovely period of our lives we had him at his best, from that foundation we have grown to the women we are today, he isn't a mind reader, he is the man he is and it would hurt terribly to know that with all of the effort he has put into being a parent, the best one her knew and knows how to be, to find his eldest daughter won't speak to him.  I asked her she would feel if her eldest grew to despise her, never call her, not allow his kids to see her or talk to her.  She kind of got it then, but man! its exhausting... she' suppose to be older, wiser... sometimes I really think she's immature and needs to get out in the real world.  (That sounds catty but she has only had to get a job in the last year and a half, she's never worked before, she's never travelled, she's lived in the same house she moved out of to get married some 17 years ago, which is approximately 25 km from home)
 
How do you know when you need to really have a go at your siblings? Is there a point where you just go urgghh! puff.. go away... why do I feel so complelled to help her, to listen to her, to spend hours on the phone guiding her through terrain she feels ill equiped to handle, when she could if she wasn't so damned black and white and self centred.
 
Don't get me wrong I love my sister to death, sometimes though she's trying, just as I have been to her I'm sure.


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  • CayenneMan said on Dec 10, 2008....
      Lucytorial, I don't know what to say but I feel sorry for your sister I know how she feels. She's caught in a void and she continues to try to be strong and set an example for you.  My father was a very abusive man, he often treated himself to the good things in life and neglected his family. My father died on my birthday over seventeen years ago. It was a long time ago, he left me with a lot of bad memories but there were a few good and over the years they seem to even up the score a bit. I guess time heals. I would do anything I could to have him back. But thats just me.
  • uniquely-ironic said on Dec 10, 2008....
    I've had to tell both my sibs to go fuck themselves.  It's not easy or fun.  I missed them terribly when I didn't speak with them.  I've since redeveloped a new relationship with them, but with boundries that I can live with.  It's hard, but it's been worth it.  I no longer feel used or taken advantage of.
  • fragglesrock said on Dec 10, 2008....
    hi, i'm sorry to hear about all that! i must agree with you that getting out in the world, experiencing different places, people, and things helps to broaden a mind.  i think that people who live in "their own world" tend to see things only their way and expect others to see it that way too.  it's a touchy thing...trying to open a mind like you did with your sister.  i think the best thing you said is how you are the women you are today b/c of your father!!! go lucy!!
     
     i recently went to my mother to  tell her thank you for laying the caring foundation that helped form me into the strong person i am and allowed my brother to become the successful person he is today. 
     
    interesting thing is that my brother has traveled all over....china, australlia, rome, all over the states, etc.. he has a master's degree and is educated, yet he lacks that grey area, he is very reserved...somewhat conservative and sees things only black and white.  sometimes i look at him and wonder how my parents spawned to entirely different individuals.  i'm sure he baffles about the same thing when he looks at me.
     
    we do go head to head at times. and we take lessons from eachother. i'll step in if he needs a tongue lashing and he'll step up if i need a reality slap...siblings need to be able to do that and it's nice to hear that you have a relationship with your sister in which you were able to give her an alternative perspective. 
     
    we always love our siblings but it doesn't mean we have to always like em ;)
  • problem_child said on Dec 10, 2008....
    It sounds like we have the same sister!
  • cuppajava said on Dec 10, 2008....
    Well, my dad and i have never had the best of relationships,and it sbeen from the time i was small.I was the older one -i have a brother 2 years younger than me - nut he followed in daddy's footsteps every step of the way,work ,life,the whole lot.He always got everything first and i was always second best in everything no matter how hard i tried.
    So - I stopped trying and just decided to live my life as i wanted to live it.I made mistakes and i have my regrets.But if i had to do it over again,nothing would change.Your sister has been going through a divorce and is probably still not altogether back together yet - but i know from experience and from watching other people's kids that the oldest always expects to be 'Daddy's little girl' no matter how old they get,and when it doesnt go that way then the shit hits the fan.
    Stop me if this sounds familiar??
  • Hegemone said on Dec 10, 2008....
    Lucy, it does sound a bit like you should be the older sibling here, and I'm sorry you've had to go through this.  However, you two have led very different paths.  Yours has most likely enabled you to see things differently, hers has given her blinkers that perhaps she has yet to take off.  Maybe she's afraid to take them off, if she was married for so long and is now so fresh to being single with only her children.  I hope she really does think about all you've said to her so that perhaps she can come around and not waste the time that she has left with your father, and also so her children aren't deprived of their grandfather.  Even though you don't like having to be harsh tongued with her, I'm sure it'll turn out for the best in the end.  As Uni said, it hurts and it feels really strange if you're not on speaking terms, but a new relationship can be built with different understandings if all else doesn't work.  I don't have blood siblings, but I've always felt like my husband's sibs were my own.  Recently, with my SIL, we haven' been on such hot speaking terms, and after a while we just had to completely rework our relationship, which has been fine ever since.  I hope all of this works out for the best though without too many battle scars.  
  • Lucytorial said on Dec 10, 2008....
    CMan ~ I'm sorry to hear your father was abusive, that is why I want my sister to realise now before he's gone that he's important, even if they don't understand each other.
     
    Uni ~ I bought her to tears two nights ago, I really laid into her.  It felt awful but she had to hear how she was not only hurting herself, but me and dad.
     
    Frags ~ Exactly, you know we di have our father at his best, he was young, happy, still involved, still trying and he just wanted to give us a good start, from when we moved out he could get his own life.  Thats a big sacrafice, two girls from the age of 6 & 7.  Especially for a man in his early thirties who never wanted kids.
     
    PB ~ Its never easy.
     
    CJ ~ I mad amends in my own attitude with my father, it had nothing to do with him changing.  I love my dad, just because we don't undrstand each other or want to live in each others world doesn't mean we are any less important to each other.  This is the understanding my sister lacks, she doesn't understand that as a father regardless of her expectations he did and still does the best he knows how.
     
    Hege ~ I hope that my sister has the courage to start her new single life with confidence and an awareness that won't shut the world out but let it in.  She lacks this basic lesson, one shes never had to do before and going through a nasty divorce has wounded her confidence dearly.  It means I will be called on again and again for a time to come until she ges it.  I just hope she doesn't throw away her relatonship with dad when he's already so very ill.  What a life long regret that would be.
  • Hegemone said on Dec 10, 2008....
    Lucy, true, and I too hope she can remove those blinkers and let everything in.  I have to say though, what a remarkable thing you're doing by intending to stand by her and help her out, even if it isn't easy and smooth every time.  She's lucky to have such a devoted sister, even you don't get along like peaches n cream all the time (hey, it goes bad every once and a while too!).  I wish your sister luck on her new journey.
  • Lucytorial said on Dec 10, 2008....
    Thanks Hege, most f the time I just don't understand you know, its always been this way.  Somehow I feel slighted when I shouldn't.  When I have my own problems that I'd really like some help with, help meaning an ear from my sister its like the whole family treat me like some fucking wonder women most of the time.  She'll be right... yeh of course Iwill but man it sucks not having that time myself you know.
  • pusscat said on Dec 10, 2008....
    Family can be so hard can't it Luce?  But we wouldn't change things either would we eh?

    It does remind me a little of my sister and I.  She too has never really been anywhere.  Still lives in the same house we moved to 30 years ago with mum and dad.  i am glad that you are managing to get through to your sister while your dad is still around.  Our dad had gone when I finally got D to understand why he did certain things the way he did.  i only knew because of being the one that was with him when the counsellor came to see him for his bad depression and panic attacks.  i learnt more in those sessions about what our mum had gone through before dying than I wish I had ever heard.  Things that still haunt me to this day.  D had no idea what he had gone through with and for her and so, when she was asked to take a few hours off school when she was about 13 (from gym practice which she hated with a passion anyway) and he went to the pub, as she grew up, she began to believe he had been a selfish son of a bitch, whereas he had sat up night after night turning her over every 15 minutes cos she was in pain.   There were so many things like that that she didn't know you see.  I had no idea though that this was her view for many years.  When the conversation arose and I explained a few things to her she was shocked.  She did feel guilty for even thinking those things once she knew the truth.

    Don't ever stop trying to get through to her Lucy.  Don't let the same thing happen.  I believe to this D feels guilty about the way she thought about our dad.  There were times when she had to look after him when he was ill before he died that she may not have been as compassionate as she now would have liked to have been.  that will always be with her.  Don't let that happen to your sis eh?  Keep up the fight gal.  You'll get through that leather skin of hers.
  • Lucytorial said on Dec 10, 2008....
    Puss, I know.  Maybe its my sense of fair play and respect.. I'm possibly too nice sometimes because no matter what she does I'll always be there to remind her.
     
    Hey how is you D anyway?
  • pusscat said on Dec 10, 2008....
    Doing ok thanks kiddo.  I am frightened of the future but hey - who isn't?  Early days . . .early days.
  • Lucytorial said on Dec 10, 2008....
    Yes it is, best to make sure you're confident that everything is being done, everyone is doing their best and enjoying the little things in life as well.  Hangin there and email me if you need a talk okay?
  • lionesss said on Dec 10, 2008....
    hiya lucy, im the eldest sister, i  have 2 younger sisters a 4/5yr gap between us, b.c of the circumstances of living in a pub my mother wasnt around much for them so i had the task of briging em up, i lost alot of my teenage yrs looking afta them, my middle sister cudnt do no wrong in my mothers eyes and i use to get all her punishments and i use to say wen im older your on your own, wel that isnt so,, i ended up bringing my sister kids up b/c she was too selfish to be a mother, i hated the fact that she had mothers attention and all i got was beaten,
    iv a funny relationship with them its kinds love hate, but iv never turned my back on them, i always used to argue and have bad fall outs but at the end of the day i knew they needed me so they know how far to go b4 i blow a gasket........xx
  • Lucytorial said on Dec 10, 2008....
    can I ask how old you are Lionesss?
  • lionesss said on Dec 10, 2008....
    im 42yr...x
     
  • Lucytorial said on Dec 10, 2008....

    wow I thought you were younger than that... thats a compliment btw. :-}

    I guess for me the roles have reversed, seems that because I went out into the world and she didn't she's relying heavily on me, to remind her, help her and give her insight.

     

    We're only 18 months apart in age, so close.  I guess I'm hoping to find a new level of our relationship that is a little more even, a hope anyway, it may be a while tocome yet.

  • winterslight said on Dec 10, 2008....
    sadly  i  dont have a realtionship with my real lfe sister. and i think it is ok she has put us threw so much that i am numb to her.... i try and i listen to her and her crazy world. and  try to  say the right things to make her happy just to get threw the  calls.
    but i was  blessed with a brother. he isnt blood but  his sister was my best frend n the world. and when she past  never left him...  and  i tell him how it is... i never hold back. and he loves me and i love him... i think as true sblings we can tell eachother things even if it hurts and it stngs for a bit. but  it s true and then we make up.
    dna gave me a sister. but god gave me a brother. and if your sister loves you. it will hurt if you tell her enough but she will love you in the end....
  • Lucytorial said on Dec 10, 2008....
    Winter, I am hoping on that being true because i do love her, she's worth it and she kind of understands.
     
    Its good to have a sibling that we can be with huh? the worlds crazy enough without having the solitude of a siblings warm arm around your shoulder.
  • woman said on Dec 10, 2008....
    Lucy, 18 months is not much and I suspect you are the stronger one. How nice that you have a sister. I always felt the loss of not having one. 3 brothers. You just keep talking. I bet she will listen. Take care Lucy.

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