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According to statistics, African Americans represent 16 percent of the population of the United States.  Since there are 300,000,000 Americans, they amount to just about $48 million people.  Yet this good part of our population is responsible for 33 percent of all abortions.  Over the last 40 years, 50 million abortions have taken place in America.  Simple math says that about 33 million million African American babies have died by the hands of their prochoice mothers.  Hmmmm.  
        Please.  Does anyone know why there is a genocide going on in that population?  What incentive do African Americans have to keep their population down.  And, is it also true (tell me) that the highest cause of death among this group  is when one African American murders another?  I wish to ask for the wisdom of the general population who reads this to help explain why a group, bent on estabilishing civil rights for themselves that have been denied them for so many decades, would seemingly doom themselves to limited representation in this democracy?  Why is their murder and abortion rate so high?  Is it culture?  Is it the preachers at church that teach it is okay to kill?  Is it something complely different?
       I claim ignorance about this subject.  You tell me.  Why are they killing themselves off faster than any neonazi, Klan member or other hate group kill them?
      It is a matter of getting pregnant then deciding to kill the person that you don't want to remain alive.  Pretty irresponsible, right?  If you made the child you shouldn't just kill him or her at the drop of a hat.  There has to be a reason other than just convenience.  We're talking about human life.  Why is the choice to kill?
      How is that we compensate for a giant mistake of irresponsible and immoral behavior by committing a homicide to cover it up?


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  • GladysNyte said on Dec 06, 2008....

    If I'm a single mom, have 2 kids in grade school, and I'm holding down a job - with no supoort from either of my childrens' father - where am I going to get the extra money to raise a third child?

    If I'm a 17 year old girl in high school wanting to go to college, who just got pregnant by a guy with whom I had a short-term high school relationship that I'm not interested in marrying - why would I  want to slow down to take care of some baby I really don't want?

    If between me and my husband we're barely getting by, have excessive credit card debt and live in poverty where is the money coming from to take care of another child?

    Unlike Sarah Palin, the majority of African-Americans don't pull in a salary of $125,000 a year, and don't have the ability to take care of their babies while they sit in their offices.

  • WriterCarlDobbs said on Dec 07, 2008....
    GladysNyte:  The solution is simple.  Don't have premarital sex because you know it can result in the killing of your child.
     
    Second: have the child and let the county take it from you and put the baby in foster care.  Why not?  The alternative is killing a baby.  Where is the sense of morality where your children are no longer precious in your sight?  Please tell me.  Why are you not considering the life of the baby when  the alternatives are available.  You can even leave the baby at the hospital to become a border baby.  But killing a baby?  The abortionist can put a saline solution in the plicenta and burn off  his flesh, or break then twist off his legs to let him bleed to death.  What would be better for the kid?  That painful death or being put into child custody?
          Please also comment as to why African Americans account for 47 percent of all AIDs cases.  It seems like, as a group, it is a continuation of self destructive behavior.  The question remains: Is it a cultural thing?  Is it level of education that prompts situations which lead to death for self and others?  What is the key.  If we find that out we can start solving the problem.
          You made a choice to kill instead of accepting the alternatives.  Why did you do that?  The basic question has to be answered.
          When people stop aborting their kids the culture of the US will change to accommodate the new influx of infants.  The nation will change to accept the births.  There will be more orphanages.  There will possiblly be financial incentives to adopt such a child.  I know I fostered a child that had a genetic disease which caused mental retardation and would have adopted her if the parents hadn't gotten aide from the government.
          So please tell me.  Why choose death over life?  Why engage in behavior that leads to death?  What did the baby do that caused you to want to him him?
  • anonymous said on Dec 07, 2008....
    Carl, from your reply to Gladys comment, I get the impression you asked a question then used her answer to pass judgment and tell her what she should do. It's a woman's personal choice and not for you to judge.
  • WriterCarlDobbs said on Dec 07, 2008....
    I appreciate your comment and will watch myself.  I handn't noticed that, myself.  But you know we are all judged by our personal choices.  I know my personal choice would be to keep the baby alive and sacrifice my own life to save that of any child.  This is why men and women go first when a ship sinks.  It is the manly thing to do, the adult thing to do, to know our place in society.  I would give my life for that aborted child.  I'm 53.  My life is quite nearly over.  I couldn't imagine allowing a baby to die if I could save that baby's life even at the risk of my own.
          A woman making the choice to kill her child when the child could be kept alive at the hospital or as a ward of the state is seriously disturbing to me.  It isn't a matter of choice.  It is the matter of what society allows people to choose.  The ability to allow the death of a baby is considered to be so trivial it is demeaning to the rest of people who call themselves human.
         Hitler prochoiced 16 million people.  About 16,000 people a day were prochoiced into the gas chambers.  It was not illegal. It was simply what Hitler decided he wanted to do.  No moral was associated with it.  His plans were to prochoice all of Americans, Britains and everyone in all conquered territories.  Why not?  It was legal and it was his choice.
          People prochoice others with violent acts of murder.  People prochoice others with claiming them to be savages, or infidels or those of a competing political agenda.  Prochoice is simply choosing to kill.
          That's the thing.  Why do people choose to kill their children?  They are given the right to do so but what is their reasoning in making that choice?  It means the death of their very own child, someone they are supposed to love.  To do it as a last resort when her own life is in danger is one thing.  To do it when the child is born without a brain or has a very gastly birth defect might be another.  But to do it for just any reason at all?  33 million African Americans are dead, which enough to fill up an entire state or two.  Why do they consider themselves expendible when they are the civil rights leaders?  This is the social question I am exploring.  Deat of a chlid is a serious business.  I've adoped a child when I married his single-parent mother.  I fostered a child and would do it again.  I was a member of Big Brothers of America for 8 years to help boys with single-mothers.  There are ways to do this rather than killing the baby.
         Therefore you can not talk about abortion without looking at the moral issue.  It is a homicide. The day it becomes simplly a "matter of choice" without any moral consideration whatsoever brings us back to the days of slavery when a master could kill his slave by choice for any reason, even torture the slave with whips.  You know, we could at least have mercy on the baby by giving the child a pain killer.  This is real life and not some theoretical situation.  Human beings are suffering and dying because of that choice and only the coldest of people, without human compassion, can simply decide to kill without consdiering the life of the person they are killing.  This is pathogienic.  This is why the question arises.  Why do African Americans kill their children at such a profound rate when they are pro-civil rights.  It makes their claim to be civil-rights oriented hypocricy when they deny it to their children.
  • GladysNyte said on Dec 07, 2008....

    Hitler and abortion = comparing apples to oranges. Extremely exaggerated.

    Ever been in foster care? Ever been passed around in the system - group homes, 4, 5, 6, different foster care homes - molested or raped by people living in the same household?

    Ever been stolen from by your 'foster parents'? I speak from experience. This is not something I'm just shooting the breeze about - I 'lived' this. Foster Care 9 times out of 10 is a very poor substitute for actual parents.

    And what happens to a significant number of these children who are not properly cared for is they end up keeping our jails filled up and overflowing.

    Well, looks like having the right to life is not such a 'great' idea after all.

     

  • WriterCarlDobbs said on Dec 08, 2008....
    THis does not justify killing them.  The first 70 thousand people Hitler killed were the "useless eaters" who were in hospitals, insane or not intelligent enough.  All you are doing is assuming that you can kill anyone who might, not proven to be, a detriment to the general economic health of the US.  YOu make an unfounded assumption.  You are assuming that (are you not) that since the greater majority of prison inmates are black and that they represent 2/3s of the population that have abortions that by getting rid of these "unwanted, useless eaters" it would be better than giving them a chance at living a good life. 
             I was a foster father for 8 years for a (retarded) special needs child.  Whe was the light of my life.  I helped her until she could get back to her natural parents.  I would have adopted her if I could.  Your willingness to kill a child to keep them from foster care is woefully extreme.  They would rather live in foster care than die as would everyone else.  Why are you so cold hearted?  It is Nazism to get rid of "useless eaters" in the society.  Those who don't produce yet absorb.  That would include everyone on welfare at any given time.  Is the next step to weed them out by sending them to labor camps?  Your argument is too much like Nazism to be called American.
          I provoke you with my words.  I would like to see your response.  I am playing the devil's advocate.  But please be intelligent with your answer and anticipate what I will say in response.
  • seer said on Dec 14, 2008....
    Ok, Carl, if you're only responce to Abortion is to call it 'murder', 'Nazi' and 'genocide' then you clearly do not have a very good arguement.
     
    To attack anyone that disagrees with your opinion by calling them a nazi is extremely immature. Ironic, too, calling the liberals Nazi. Have you forgotten the political circle, Dobbs, enforced ethics of any kind becomes totalitarianism depite their ideals, so therefore, using your much-loved irrational exageration, by changing the law so abortion was no longer legal you'd be the Nazi.
     
    You say you have a genius IQ, and a reasonably pro-life arguement but that's all you do, talk about the Halocaust, quote statistics of how many 'babies' have 'been murdered' then paint a rose tinted view of foster care. You ALWAYS generalise heavily against anyone's rational arguement by talking about how good you turned out, when you decide to stop using your beloved statistics because they no longer work for you. That's all you're arguement is Dobbs, comparing nazism to abortion then barking statistics.
     
    However you're a reltively literate and well spoken man, despite being slightly idealistic and right wing, so you form these illogical arguements in a very literate way using reasonable vocabulary so some people get stumped when you bark statistics and complex language at them.
     
    So be prochoice, do not let your views get bullied into change through one right-wing pro-lifer!!
     
     
     
    PS- Gladys, I agree totally!
     
     
  • Knowledge1 said on Dec 19, 2008....
    Writer, This is the lawless society I was talking about. There is no such thing as pro choice when the Book says thou shall not kill. Some may say the child is not born, but I say it is not dead, but a living life. I do understand Gladys, and I'm not here to judge but to voice my opinion and my opinion is not directed at anyone, but I do want to say this, Glayds you said:

    If I'm a single mom, have 2 kids in grade school, and I'm holding down a job - with no supoort from either of my childrens' father - where am I going to get the extra money to raise a third child?

    If I'm a 17 year old girl in high school wanting to go to college, who just got pregnant by a guy with whom I had a short-term high school relationship that I'm not interested in marrying - why would I  want to slow down to take care of some baby I really don't want?

     I feel that no matter what your condition is you cannot justify your condition by having an abortion. It is to late to start making "responsible" decisions. If any of the above are having sex in a way they can get pregnant that is a shame. Please don't take this the wrong way because I see these things everyday, and I want to see us better ourselves but poor decision making is not the way to go. I would rather tell the truth than to sit back and watch someone create a condition to have an abortion.There is something really wrong with this world today. The humanity of man is gone and we have become vain. No man or women should tell another that it is OK to kill a unborn child and should not side with or help that person to do so. Even though we may feel that it is the best for that person, we should know right and speak righteous things to them instead of helping them kill a unborn child. But , no you will say, you need to get rid of it. Maybe these thing are true, but where were you when this person was doing things to get pregnant. Now she is pregnant, you have become and advisor.  Why don't friends tell her that they will help her in any way they can.
     
    Writer is right, I don't agree with how he worded it, but he is right. The morals of people have disapeared. I listen at conversations and people are having abortions like it is nothing, gays are kissing in the streets. The churchs are on every corner, but no longer has authority in America. I don't want to go Biblical, but Jesus said satan would decieve the whole world.
     
    Writer, without the Law we are free game for the enemy.
  • seer said on Dec 20, 2008....

    I'm afraid Knowladge1, you ethics seem to be Christian based - I want to know why gays can't kiss in the street! Its wrong for the Church to have authority in a multi ethic society.

    Have you considered there is no God? If there wasn't then why would this be wrong, and why on earth should other people live by your faith?!

    Pathetic...

  • WriterCarlDobbs said on Dec 22, 2008....
    Dear Seer.  You gave me no logical reason why abortion is not like Nazism.  Less tyrade and more convincing facts.  There are too many parallels.  The one thing in common:  One person says "I want to kill you.  It is legal so I will.  Bang."  Simple and easy.  Hitler didn't do anything illegal in German law.  He executed people who preached he was wrong and that wasn't illegal either.  It was legal for us to kill slaves in the 1800's and before.  It was legal to kill off the American Indian.  It was legal to do a lot of shameful things.  Now we've killed off 50 million of our kids legally.  You can't ignore the similarities.  Hitler prochoiced 16 million people.  We've prochoiced over 4 times that, easily, over the last 250 years.  You give no convincing argument.  BTW: I am a genius.  In logic I scored 164.  I am a highly paid computer programmer because I can take complex problems and huge amounts of data and assemble a database out of it.  I see nothing wrong with my logic.  Perhaps you can detail what you mean by it not being similar to the Nazi's and the North Koreans, the Japanese (in their history of taking innocent life).  Search the web for "Unit 731" about the attrocities of the Japanese.  See my blog on General McArthur and his compliance and financial support of taking the Mongols of China into clinics to experiment on them.
           Read my book, "Numan" and you'll see where this leads.  It will lead us where we were before.  Mass murdering whomseover we will without callin it murder.  We have done it before, we are doing it now, we will do it again.  Same thing.  Same thing.  Same thing.
  • WriterCarlDobbs said on Dec 22, 2008....
    Knowlege1.  I wish I could personally help you out.  You have a kid that needs caring for and I would like to give you my counsel and comfort.  One thing I can suggest is to explore the site dailystrenth.com  It is filled with thousands of members who can help you through your trials.  Go to one of the categories that suits you, join the group.  You will find friends there and sage advice.  I am a member of that group because of bereavement of my wife who died 2 years ago.  I comfort others who have lost children.  There are even people who have committed an abortion and regret it and need help to deal with the depression and guilt.
           Spread your wisdom to this welcoming audience and you may find consolation.
          God bless you, dear lady.   I fell in love with a 19 year old single mother, married her and now that boy is in the US Army fighting for our country.  God bless you.  It was the right decision.
  • seer said on Dec 23, 2008....

    Abortion is pro choice. Sometimes death is better than life. Sometimes its for the best that a baby is not born at all. Nazism, or Fashism, I suppose works best, is belief in a superior race. They'll believe that they are the superior race and other races are inferior and therefore must be killed/enslaved. I don't think pro-choicers think of infants as an inferior race, and I don't think its at all fair to draw any comparison. Its like when people say Obama is a muslim because his name sounds a little bit Muslim.

     

    I'd like the chance to say, Christians, that the Western World is now multi-faith, with an vast athiest population like myself. Laws are changing to fit what is logically right - for the greater good of society. Not just for people like you two. And you will have to learn to deal with other philosophies and ideas, new ways of thinking. Get used to it.

  • WriterCarlDobbs said on Dec 23, 2008....

    I don't care what the prochoicers think of their kids as except they think the child is not worthy to live and worthy to die.  The fact that they kill them without considering their humanity.  This isn't a philosophy.  To say that is demeaning to the subject.  It wasn't a philosopy that killed 6 million Jews and 50 million preborn Americans.  It was the desire to kill the "unwanted."  You may be the next victim.  Why do I say that?  You may one day have a  wife (if you are a man) who wants to kill your unborn son or daughter against your will.  It might be a brother or a sister, a niece or nephew.  My sister had an abortion to spite her husband for a comment he made when she told him she was pregnant.  He said, "is it mine?"  She had the aborition to punish him.  Zip.  There goes my niece or nephew.  She killed a family member.   She did it to spite her husband - to punish him.  The baby was chattle.

            Do not dare to trivialize this matter.  You apparently don't respect human life enough to fight for it.  It is all the same to you whether these people live  or die.  This is why Hitler was able to get away with it.  People knew 16 thousand people were being murdered by him every day.  See the lastest movie on it where some of his inner circle were trying to assasinate him for this.  The only reason he was able to get away with it is the general apathy of the population who didn't object to the murders.    So it is here.  We of conscience will sound the trumpet that these murders should not take place unpunished and must  be made illegal for the sake of the countless victims.  If you answer that moral question your response to this blog entry will be more meaty.  Dismissing it as something like "philosophy" as though it were just a topic of discussion or a way of looking at things, is impotent to me.  Address the issue of the distruction of human life and it will go further with me.  Relate it to the atrocities of the past (which we all agree are attrocities) and tell me how they are different than killing our preborn citizens.  Just a suggestion, though.  I would like to discuss this matter on its merits without dismissing it as being just another legitimate way of thinking, because some thought we attribute to simple philosophy are killng people, and philosophy doesn't really  do that, right?  If it comes to the destruction of people then the phisophy is more than just that.  It has turned into action which affects others.  This is where it becomes immoral and an atrocity.

  • seer said on Dec 24, 2008....

    Don't you dare call me a Nazi or murderer!!

     

    My first girlfriend aborted my baby. I wanted her to. We were kids. It was an accident. We did it because it was the best thing to do.

    You're scum, Dobbs, Fashist Christian bible thumping scum. You are the reason why I tend to hate Christians and why I hate Americans.

    Its not your decision what people do with their lives. But you wish you could control people's life's because you're a fashist.

     

    I suggest you kill yourself, society would benefit.

  • WriterCarlDobbs said on Dec 27, 2008....
    You are a murderer, Seer.  The baby you should have devoted your life to is dead.  He or she will never know love, joy, happiness, learning how to walk....   Even if alive he would never know a loving father.  What will your next kid experience?  Is your next kid going to know you love him or her when he or she know you killed his or her sibling?  Doesn't that trivialize the life of your future kids if you decide you want them to live?   I know you would kill me if you had the chance. 
    Your hatred for people you don't like is obvious.  You would have been one who killed the Jews, American Indian, a slave etc.  You are a murderer, Seer.   You are the one who would, if given the power, commit genocide.  I can only hope that you do not produce another victim.  I know you might get orgasmic joy out of being able to decide to commit a life-and-death decision with such complacency -as though you were deciding what to have for lunch that day.  But make no doubt about it.  Your son or daughter is dead, DEAD.  You killed a human being.  Your son or daughter had ten fingers, a tiny nose, a smile that would steal the heart of any parent.  He or she had a sweet voice that would have called you "daddy."   You'll have to live with that for the rest of your life and when you mature you will condemn yourself for it.  But if you did have the child would you have abused and killed him or her just the same?  It's kind of hard to kill someone face to face, isn't it?  What if you allwed the child to grow up until he or she could defend him or herself?  They might wind up winning the fight.  Those men who hit women and/or children (especially babies) are cowards.
  • seer said on Dec 27, 2008....
    Very good Dobbs. Except for the following -
     
    1.) I have scars and I have broken bones protecting the weak and women from bullies like you.
     
    2.) To me, saying I killed my baby in cold blood is a compliment. That shows that I have total commitment to what is right.
     
    3.) Hitler did not pro-choice. He genocided. The connection between Hitler and Abortion is rediculous. That's like linking chalk to McDonalds. Its a bullying tactic to guilt people who have had abortions into believing this crap you constantly talk about.
     
    4.) I would like to know where you got your information about Abortion. It was emotionally stressful for me to find out, but I did some research - http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/health_advice/facts/abortion.htm
    and as you can see, there's no mention of the bloody gore you continually talk about. First Tirimester abortions, like the one my ex girlfriend had, are not removing anything large. I've seen pictures of cell masses that have been aborted at 8 weeks, they are around 1cm. To say it had a personality is once again, pretentious bullying scare tactics.
     
    5.) Destroying a 1cm mass of cells or 'genociding millions of babies', is nothing unethical. You see, taking the morning after pill is a form of abortion as in it stops a baby from forming from the primative tissues. An 8 week old embrio does not have eyes. Nor can it say daddy. And to be honest, they're so tiny they won't need to be hacked up, or have their skull imploded, because they won't have a defined skull. Disposing of an embrio of this form is like throwing away sperm. If you think that every sperm is a living baby and must be cherished, go right ahead.
     
    6.) If you are going to have an abortion, make sure you can justify it to yourself. Not to this bully here. Because this is what matters. And Dobbs, I'm going to post this after every post you've ever written you crypto-faschist.
  • WriterCarlDobbs said on Jan 06, 2009....
    It is obvious that a person would never get an abortion if they knew the trauma that the child would suffer.  There was debate in congress whether or not to require abortionists to require the person having the abortion to know that they are killing "a child" and to require that the doctor asks them if the baby should be given a pain-killer before the are killed.   There would be a lot fewer abortions if the mother really knew what she was about to do.  There is no reason for the site which you sent me would go into the gory details.  There are other valid sites that do.
        Suffice it to say that the only way to get a late term preborn out of the womb is piece by piece, as shown in the video I posted on this blog.  Wake up, Seer.  You are in denial.  Should you allow yourself to admit to the bloody gore, you would not be proabortion.  This is the reason for this blog.  The public must be educated.
         Seer: How could you expect such an abortion to take place without dismemberment?  The sad fact is that you look at this secondary issue.  Any way shape or form of killing the child is what is the ultimate significance.  You kill them one way or the other and that is taking a human life.  The method is secondary.  Whether it is gory is not important.  The killing has to stop.
  • anonymous said on Jan 06, 2009....

    I read this thread from time to time and there was something about Carl’s posts that got me thinking. His attitude reminded me of someone but I couldn’t remember who – and then I did. He reminds me of the priests from school who would vehemently preach one thing and do something else on the side. His attitude is very similar and intolerant. He’s placed himself on his own little throne - a one man inquisition. But no one really knows him. No one has any idea what kind of person he is, how he lives, or what he’s done in his life. History has shown us that sometimes the most righteous are the most vicious. Just a thought...

  • seer said on Jan 07, 2009....

    Anonymous, thank you. I agree.

    I got this in an anarchist pamplet from a friend (I'm not an anarchist BTW)

    "In Chicago, we created an underground network to provide illegal abortions in safe conditions and a supportive atmosphere when the religious fanatics would have preferred us to die in shame and tears down dark alleys"

  • seer said on Jan 07, 2009....
    And by the way, what kind of numbskull leaves there real name while being that intolerant? Even the KKK (who have guns) still hide their identity.
  • seer said on Jan 07, 2009....
    And by the way, what kind of numbskull leaves there real name while being that intolerant? Even the KKK (who have guns) still hide their identity.
  • WriterCarlDobbs said on Jan 07, 2009....
    Who has to be on a throne to condemn the slaughter of the innocents? "Kill the child to spare him from being killed in a foster care family."  Real brillient.  "Carl you can't call it like Nazism" yet four times as many have been killed than were destroyed by the Nazis.  Right.  Hitler targeted mostly those who have already been born.  That's the only difference.  You all forge the main thing is you are killing human beings and finding justification by claiming you are "actually doing them a favor" or "keeping us from having to care for them" or "they really aren't human."  Trivial and silly reasoning.  You'll kill a child rather than, what?  Keep him alive to be put in an adoptive family?  I fosterd for 7 1/2 years and adopted a kid.  You hellish murderers can't claim your wholesale destruction of human life isn't ten times the murderous rampage of Hitler.  You are moral skums.
  • seer said on Jan 07, 2009....

    Yup, again with the Hitler. And calling us murderers.

    You see Carl, the world would be just that little bit better if your mum had you aborted :D

    I think its so funny that you REFUSE point blank to even consider someone elses point of view.

  • Knowledge1 said on Jan 09, 2009....
    Seer, Got a few questions. What is it about abortion that would make you defend it in such a pationate way ? I mean, do you really think abortion is a good thing ? Why do you not believe in God ? And, If abortion is not murder then what is it ?
     
    Unborn does not mean dead or not alive
     
    Abortion: Is the removal or expulsion of an embryo or fetus from the uterus, resulting in or caused by death
     
    curious to hear your answers
  • seer said on Jan 09, 2009....

    I don't believe in God because I'm a rational human being. Origins of religion can be traced back so far now I find it incredible that people still cling to these notions.

    Without abortion America and Britain would be fucked. I got a girl pregnant and she had an abortion when I was a kid in order for me to do good work with inner city kids.

    Take it your another bible thumper?

  • WriterCarlDobbs said on Jan 12, 2009....
    Ah!  The answer.  If you admitted you killed your son or daughter (by consent) you'd have to feel guilty.  I am so sorry, my friend.  I recognize your fear.  It is not something you sould suppress.  I know that such things can cause post-traumatic stress syndrome.  I am not mocking you when I say you must seek counselling.  The contradiction in your subconscience with such inner conflict has driven more than a few to things like split personality and seizures.
     
    I was neglected and abused as a child and the trauma caused a good deal of chronic depression.  The only way to deal with your conflict is to seek professional help.  You don't need to defend the death of your kid by hiding behind anger.  There are people to help you.  Join a blog site called DailyStrength.com.  I participate in that group because of the sadness and grief of the loss of my wife.  There are people who can help, really.  You might not think you need it right now.  Your subconscience may not break your nerves down until 10 to 20 years from now but it can happen.  I know this. 
          And Knowledge:  I must advise you that this may be a case of denial for self-preservation.  This is imporant that the person going through this is not pressured.  He is torturing himself enough already.  This is why it matters so much to him.  He has to believe he didn't actually kill anyone or consent to the death of his young child.  You must learn from today's broadcasts about
    Calee, that little girl who was murdered.  We all agree that it was an atrocity.  The mother is in an emotional numbness.  Eventually she may understand the depth of what she did and will need our compassion.
         Seer: I didn't realize you were in such a state of mind before.  I hope I didn't make it worse with unkind words.  I think that when the time comes you will cry it out.  I will pray for you.  Remember, God forgives.  And yes, denial of an all-powerful judge is something that you must reject now because you must feel that what you did has no ultimate determination of right or wrong.  But that's okay.  Eventually you will work it out and I hope that in the end you will find peace.  We all make mistakes in our youth and you are only 23.  It is only a sad thing that you daughter or son had to meet death at your lover's hands.  It is a tragedy and I will mourn for your kid as much as I do for Kalee and John Travolta's child.  I don't hate you for this.
     

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What happens when the "right to life" is denied to more than just embryos? We go back to the days of slavery, Nazism, and eugenics. Read my posts on "Numan" and see where this thinking can take us! Everyone under the age of 12 is non-human!...
I was just reading a blog by a slave/sub and I wonder if they are being treated right. of course then I think well, they're a slave. But don't subs and slaves get to have rules that apply to them. i know so little about that world and yet I find myself...