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Back in the 60s or 70s there was a book called Seth Speaks by Jane Roberts that claimed to be channeled. Jane Roberts said she was a spirit medium who was allowing a spirit to use her body to speak. It was done in front of people, they took notes, books were written. Her voice and accent changed drastically when she spoke as Seth. The material was pretty odd. It's not like she was selling something, other than the books. The material was sometimes pretty rambling, and not at all what you'd expect from a hoax.

Shortly after the book came out, another group of people began playing with a ouija board in California, and the board started spelling out messages to them like We're here. It kind of reminds you of the satanic writings about "legion". Like there are a legion of demons out there. Only the message was far from demonic. It was completely harmless, nothing scary about it, just a lot of information. If it had been demonic, there should have been a few Manson-like episodes, no?

Think of it this way. If in The Exorcist the only thing the demons did was babble away harmlessly, you wouldn't have a movie, would you. This stuff was about as demonic as being possessed by Urkel.

The people in that group were afraid to give their real names, unlike Jane Roberts. They were afraid of being laughed at by their bosses and co-workers. One of them took the name Chelsea Quinn Yarbro and wrote the book Messages From Michael, and it was so popular that she wrote More Messages From Michael, and soon she was off and running with a movement, as Arlo Guthrie would say.

It didn't stop with that group. Others also spoke to the spirits collectively known as Michael. Other books came out. There is Shepherd Hoodwin, Jose Stevens, Joya Pope, and a handful of other authors all writing Michael books. There are Michael websites on the internet.

I read Shepherd Hoodwin's book Journey Of Your Soul and began an email correspondence with him. I also had him do a "Michael Chart" on me, my wife, and my brother. A "Michael Chart" contains channeled information about the people. Just focusing on my own, there was stuff in there that he had no way of knowing from our emails. It was impressive enough for me to order the other two later, the ones for my wife and brother.

Here's an overview of what they have to say.

We are all "sparks" from God, which they call The Tao in order to avoid religious connotations associated with God. It's not that God created us. God split us off from itself in order to enrich the whole with unique experiences. We will be on a journey that includes many incarnations on earth and many other things too, and then we will return to God.

Our first stop on this journey is the physical plane. That's where we are now. When we die, we move on to the astral plane. Then after a while there, we return to the physical plane in another incarnation. We typically have 100 or 200 incarnations on the physical plane before stopping. Then we spend all our time on the astral plane, which is what you'd think of as heaven. It's where your dead relatives and friends are now.

The physical plane and the astral plane are two of seven planes of existence on our journey. The third one is the causal plane, which is where the Michael spirits now live. They used to be here with us, but they all finished their incarnations and have moved on to the causal plane.

The fourth plane of existence is the famous akashic plane, where the akashic records are kept. Maybe you've heard of them because they have been written about elsewhere. It is heaven's library. We don't live on the akashic plane, just as you don't live in your local library. It is the place where channeled information comes from to do the Michael charts. One of the Michael spirits goes to the akashic plane and looks you up there. There's lots about you there. What type of person you are, what group of spirits you came here with, how far along you are in your current series of incarnations, how many times you've been back and forth from God to the various planes and back again to God.

The 5th, 6th and 7th planes of existence also have names, the mental plane, the buddhaic plane, and I forgot the other one. The messianic. (I cheated, I googled it.)

Of what use is that information to us? Here we are, ants on an anthill, being told what's going on in other worlds. Why do we care anyway? And we have no way of verifying that information. It could be a lot of nonsense. Maybe that's exactly what it is.

One of the main themes of all this is separateness. We begin as part of God, and we are separated off. Here on the physical plane, we are the most separate. We know loneliness, isolation. It's the only plane where we can know those things. All the other planes have us joining with more and more compatriots, until we return to God and are back home where we belong. On the causal plane you have over 1,000 of us acting together as a unit, such as the unit that identifies itself as Michael. We become part of bigger and bigger teams, and we are never isolated.

In evaluating the Michael information, one thing we can look for is consistency between authors. If they are all channeling the same source, more or less, the information should be consistent from one to the other. In some ways it is, and in some ways it isn't. Sometimes they contradict each other, which isn't too impressive. They can have two different charts on a person, giving contradictory information about the person. It happens all the time. Is Barack Obama the type of soul called a Priest? A King? A Warrior? He's been interpreted as all of them, and yet you can only be one, according to the rules. They freely admit that there are tons of errors in the channeled material. That's not too impressive. They give excuses, the standard one being that the channel's material was corrupted by his or her own preconceived notions.

One "bottom line" that they all fall back on is that you have to decide for yourself what seems right to you, and reject what doesn't. How would you like your surgeon to say that. Hey, I think you need to have your spleen removed, and I'll be happy to do it, but if you feel you'd be better off with a heart transplant let me know and I'll do that instead.

Another of their axioms is that we have free will. We do only what we choose to do. So the question arises, did the people who were murdered in the Holocaust, or in Darfur, or in any number of tragedies, choose to be murdered? Come on, who would choose to be treated like that? Do we choose to have all our physical maladies? No - we choose not to, but we get them anyway.

And they dance around that issue by saying that our higher self chose that path. I have a problem with that. A big problem. Who is this fucking higher self who chose to have us in pain? Fuck him.

They say that our higher self wants intensity. It wants to experience every kind of death. It wants to be choked to death, starved to death, bored to death, gored to death, sneezed to death, wheezed to death, cancered to death, heart attacked to death, beaten to death, eaten to death. Yeah, well, I don't.

What is the good of free will if we don't have it ourselves. Some sadistic asshole is sitting back and giggling and saying hey, let's give that prick cancer now. That will be fun to watch and oh so educational for him or her to go through, so lots of good experiences will be added to all that is. Oh come on, I don't want to believe that. It clashes with the other big axiom, that we should only believe what rings true for us. This rings more like that gong in the movie King Kong, summoning the big monkey to pick up the girl.

Are the higher spirits so bored with their lives that they choose to torture us in order to stay awake themselves? I find that to be a miserable way of looking at things.

Another problem I have is that I really don't want to keep coming back here, and yet they say I have to come back another few dozen times in order to complete the cycle. That conflicts with their claim about free will. Hey, I said I don't want to keep doing this. And they answer sure ya do, sure ya do. You don't wanna be a dropout do ya?

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  • diabolicdame said on Dec 01, 2008....
    I agree with you lennie.. in reading books like 'Messages from the masters', I had the same questions.. why do we have to have all these learning experiences.. keep coming back.. if our souls chose all our sufferings, why do we hate it so much! And no matter how much you learn from bad situaitons, they still suck.
     
    Hinduism explains re-incarnations as well the good/bad stuff that happens with us with the karma theory. Basically its our good or bad deeds that decide how our lives will be.. and if we haven't fully repented or settled scores for our bad karma in this life, we'll have to come back again. It says that to attain moksha or nirvana or the ultimate freedon from this life-death cycle, we must be detatched from material things.. fomr emotions.. love/hate.. everything.. basically give it all up.. realise that its all a hoax and that we are actually souls waiting to be re-united with god.. and then we shall be free.
     
    Its like the Matrix.. if and when we accept the fact the life that is happening around us is simply an illusion.. we can get detatched from it all.. lead a life of meditation or a hermit exictance or somethin looking for the higher truth.. away from love, family, money, revenge, hate etc.. and then we will have found our truth.. have no bad karma.. and we shall be freed from this cycle.
     
    I dunno how true any of it all is ofcourse.. just passing on information.
     
  • lfbno7 said on Dec 01, 2008....
    The Michael material seems to have borrowed a lot from Hinduism as you described it. There's a lot about karma in the Michael stuff. It goes something like this.

    When we are younger souls we do bad things to others, and in our later incarnations we must make it up to them and experience what we have caused others to experience. This explains some of the bad things that happen to us.

    A girl I know was raped and beaten and terrified as a teenager in one horrible incident in which she was kidnapped. If I was writing the prequel to that story with karma in mind I'd say she had been a Japanese soldier in WW2 running amok, raping and killing Chinese civilians, and now in this life she had to experience what that is like from the victim's point of view.

    It has a poetic justice feel to it, and might be true or acceptable to our sense of justice. The part about no longer caring about anything, I have a problem with that. I don't think it's a step in a good direction to lead a hermit existence of meditation and separateness. I think it is a bit catatonic. Escapist. Actually it sounds like fun for a while, but then you get bored and put on the tv.
  • sagefromcadre2 said on Dec 01, 2008....
    Actually, for a not being a Michael student yourself, you got a lot right. You also missed the boat a lot. Still for not havong studied the errors are understandable. First and actually the only one I will mention, since it is fact based. Chelsea Quinn Yarbro was a well established author long before she heard of the Michael teachings. She joined the group later and eventually wrote her fictionalized version of the group. Protecting their privacy was and is of major importance to the original group. Other channels and students do not always share that. There are a lot of groups out there, and it would do anyone who is interested in learning more a world of good to check them out online. I would reccomend, Truthloveenergy.com and Michealteachings.com. Sandy Sage from cadre2 entity2
  • diabolicdame said on Dec 01, 2008....
    lfbno, I don't agree with the hermit thing either!! I was just relaying it to you. Personally I feel if we weren't meant to live and enjoy life, why are we here? Maybe that is one way of accumulating no bad karma and hence getting freedom from this cycle (according to the theory).. but its not my way for sure! I'd rather out on the tv too!
  • lfbno7 said on Dec 01, 2008....
    Hi Sage. I knew that Chelsea was an author, just didn't think it was that crucial to mention. Whitley Streiber was also an established author before he wrote Communion, about contact with extra terrestrials, and I think it is a mark against his credibility rather than in favor of it, because there he is, writing another story. I don't think it's a matter of me in error so much as me either questioning the teachings or being uncomfortable with some of them. I was never one for orthodoxy. I always question. I have read several of the books. People who have more of an identity with the subject will tend to look at my questioning or discomfort with some of the ideas and label it as "error" when in fact it's more of "questioning" or being uncomfortable with some of the details.

    Anyway don't get me wrong. I am very impressed with the Michael teachings overall. I just don't buy 100% of it. I prefer to remain independent, and I prefer to claim my right to question every single thing. Out of imbalance comes progress. Too much agreement causes stagnation. I am most definitely NOT one of those who would just dismiss the whole thing as fiction.

    DD, I'm not at all clear about the difference between Hinduism, Taoism, Buddhism. They all sort of blend together with me. Maybe they all have certain things in common. Maybe they are all into the whole karma thing. Wouldn't it be interesting if we could just go back and forth at will, between heaven and earth. Then we'd actually know. I guess the answer to that is it would ruin the earth experience that we're supposed to have. Okay, then just let ME do it. How much could that ruin?
  • diabolicdame said on Dec 02, 2008....
    hehehe.. ok well if you do get to do it then make sure you let me know what you see!!
     
    .. and just so you know..  hinduism is the main Indian religion and its veryyyyy old.. it has its roots in the vedic times.. karma.. lots of different gods.. all a part of it.. its more a lifestly than a religion I'd say.
     
    Buddhism was born in India not that long ago.. and Indian prince turned saint came to be known as buddha or the enlightened one and he came up with it. The prince was originally hindu so it borrows a lot of hinduism as well except no gods in it. Just guidelines on how to live your life.. and the prophet buddha.
     
    Taoism is the ancient chinese religion and I don't know very much about it. Its basically diffrent than hinduism or buddhiam though. Centered around its own many chinese gods I think.
     
     
  • lfbno7 said on Dec 02, 2008....
    oh. thanks.
  • lovingawareness said on Dec 15, 2008....
    I've been intimately involved with the Michael Teachings for 20 years - including channeling in the last few.


    All Is Choice, absolutely. And yes, in the channeling I've been involve with, if all of you - including your essence - decides not to come back, then it's possible to do so. However, the point is that we are not aware of 99.9999% of who we are - which in Michael terms includes the essence and the "spark".


    Quite frankly, I've felt the same thing about the concept of essence - "fuck that, I don't want something outside of me choosing this." But that isn't exactly how it works. Some channelers are really dogmatic about this and make rules about it, but really it is about freedom and choice.


    Channeling site (of Polaris which includes Michael) : http://www.polarisrising.com

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