• beyondtheveil said on Nov 27, 2008....

  I'm 36% capitalist and 64% socialist. 

• SeanRenaud said on Nov 28, 2008....

  60% Capitalist 40% socialist

• gingersoul said on Nov 28, 2008....

  You Are 36% Capitalist, 64% Socialist
  You tend to be quite wary of businesses, especially big business.
  While you know that corporations have their place, you tend to support small, locally owned shops.
  As far as the rich go, you think they're usually corrupt and immoral
  
  BeyBey.......hey......great minds think alike...no surprises here....:-)
  

• Lucytorial said on Nov 28, 2008....

  okay so even though I took the test I know what I am anyway.  Socialist, always have been.  My socialist score was 84%

• satyr said on Nov 28, 2008....

  LOL - I'm 52% Captialist and 48% Socialist.  I consider myself a conservative moderate, so I guess it hit right on here. 

• mobil said on Nov 28, 2008....

  80% captialist  20% socialist

• SeanRenaud said on Nov 28, 2008....

  Congrats mobil!

• Hegemone said on Nov 28, 2008....

  28% Capitalist, 72% Socialist ... huh, never really thought about it

• dyingman said on Nov 28, 2008....

  • Definite agenda issues here.
    
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  • Welfare tends to hurt people more than it helps them.
  What about teh people who are on it for three months and never again?
  There are more people on welfare temporarily than the chronic abusers you hear about. 
  
  • The best kind of health care is private health care.
  If you can't afford private, is it better?  Hardly.
  
  • Free trade is a good thing- even if some jobs leave your country.
  I agree with this one.  Maybe we share an agenda.
  
  • Taxation should be kept at a minimum, even if government services need to be cut.
  • Education is a luxury, not a right.
   The opposite of luxury is not a "right".  The opposite of a right is a crime.  Something all people must be allowed to do versus something no people should be allowed to do.  The opposite of luxury is necessity. 
  
  Is education a necessity?  For what?  Basic living?  Maybe?  For how long?  To what degree of success?  Does society suffer when some people get no education at all?  Does society suffer the least at some particular balance of taxes versus ignorance?  Are the ignorant costing society more than the taxes?  This leads to the prior question:.  What level of taxes i minimal?  Which services are minimal?  These things are difficult to measure.  If government can provide a service "police" in a more cost effective manner, does it make sense to pay MORE just to make sure we are as capitalist as possible? Is paying the police contractors a fee service?  Is it paid by the supposed minimal taxes? 
  
  • Business people are more important to society than artists.
  Yes.  But once business has assured the smooth function of society, it gets pretty boring without art and are we under the impression that no businessmen are artists nor artists capable of enterprise?  Anyone who thinks so should join the Board of Directors of their local community theater.
  
  • People who make money have no obligation to contribute to society.
  Who obliges them?  Society?  God?  Neighbors?  The needy themselves? 
  
  • The rich pay more than their fair share of taxes.
  They use more than their fair share of government services.  The Securities Exchange Commission, Coast Guard, and military serve the wealthy almost exclusively.  Is it a coincidence that the children of the wealthy escape the draft and are so seldom found in the volunteer army that it makes headlines when a Congressman's child goes off to war?  Fire departments and police protect the belongings of the rich in far greater amounts. FDIC insures far more money deposited in banks than for the poor...  Social security is graded so as to give higher benefits to those who pay more in. 
  
  • Fast food and tobacco companies aren't accountable for the health of their customers.
  Not if there's full disclosure of risks.  No. 
  
  
  • People should have the right to buy any drug they choose - legally.
  • How does this have to do with socialism or capitalism?
    
  Are legalization advocates strictly socialists?  Not last time I checked.
  
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  • Unions harm companies more than help them.
  That's not their purpose.  Which is a shame.  Helping workers prosper so they can make the company prosper might be a fine working arrangement.  The two are adversaries though
  
  • The government should not do anything to regulate the price of gas.
  I'm on the same page.  No price should be regulated.  Subsidized maybe (food stamps)...
  
  • Social security should be be privatized.
  • Brilliant.  So idiots can sink all their social security fuinds int oteh next Enron or Housing Bubble of Lehman Brothers and end up broke, begging on teh corner?  Broke old folks begging on corners is what MADE social secuirty in teh first place!  We'd just end up making a SECOND scoial secuirty for bad investors.   Dumbest idea ever.  .   
    
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  • Big businesses are fine, as long as they don't accept corporate welfare.
  Right.  And when they do, they should be broken up into small companies that survive without help or die.
  
  • The government is under no obligation to provide for the poor.
  Again, obliged by who.  What happens when poor people starve?  What would YOU do if your children were dying?   What would you be willing to pay to stop others from doing what YOU would do if your children needed food badly enough?
  Maybe we're not obliged, but I suggest it is cost efficient to do so.  Is that socialist, or good business sense?
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  • There was no good reason for Martha Stewart to go to jail.
  • Insider trading is an odd crime.  You're supposed to deliberately lose money even though yocould prevent it.  I don't like Martha, but I do think she's the victim of an imperfect system.  We need better.
    
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  • Over the course of the 20th century, countries with free market economies truly prevailed.
  • HOW free?  China?  France?  Some African nations have very free economies but are absolute wrecks.  India is fairly tightly controlled and yet is taking jobs my the million from us.  What IS success?
    
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  • Labor laws inhibit business owners too much.
  Which ones?  Child ilabor?  Minimum wage?>  Overtime?  Many of these are flaunted anyway.
  
  
  • There is no such thing as a "fair" redistribution of wealth.
  • The word "fair" is subjective.  I'd sooner say "workable" or "efficient".  I disagree in any case.  Does wealth not become redistributed through the taxing of teh public for provision of services must of us barely use?  What about through usury?  Wages below survival levels?  Is it "fair" when others suffer when no decent living can be obtained?  Is it "fair" some people never work a day in their lives and live like kings while others have two jobs and bay stay fed?  What measures are we using for the word?
    
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  • In general, you believe that people with the greatest abilities rise to the top.
  What is the "top"?  Prestige?>  Wealth?  Power?    No on all three.  Luck is huge and hetarts in life are rampant.
  
  • Corporations don't have special social responsibilities.
  I'm not inclined to think so.  They live to make money.  Nothing else.  When we expect more, we are usually disappointed.  Let us allow them to be evil and chain them with laws that limit their avarice.
  
  
  • Business, not the government, does a better job at advancing technologies.
  Who gets the credit when it is the government paying teh contractors? 
  Who gets the blame when those same contractors fail?
  How can we tell if private companies could have made the A-bomb or the moon launch faster?
  
  
  • The government should not support the arts. People will pay for the best art.
  Govb't should not PAY to support the arts.  Public spaces in need of beautification... why not?  Artists can advertise through their public displays.  Who loses?
  
  
  • Minimum wage laws hurt the economy.
  McDonald's pays more than minimum wage in most places.  It's a moot point and has been for decades. 
  
  
  • Prostitution should be completely legal.
  Again.  Not a strictly capitalist or socialist cause.  Yes, though.
  
  
  This test may be trying to reinforce the canard that capitalism and socialism are opposites.  They aren't  Capitalism and COMMUNISM are opposites.  Socialism is a blend and spans the two extremes.  No nation is pure capitalist or communist.  If either existed in the pure form, I suspect either would quickly decay into socialism. 
  
  For another day, communism is not totalitarianism either.   Capitalism need not exist exclusively as democracy either.  When confronted with the choice of two views and nothing else, it is a good idea to ask whether therre is a shade of gray and what end being forced into choosing only black or white serves.
  
  
  
  

• mobil said on Nov 28, 2008....

  So, Dyingman you are What? A hypochondriac and leaning hard toward Socialism?

• SeanRenaud said on Nov 28, 2008....

  I was working on that myself.  It's kinda scary that we have so many theives I mean leeches. . .I mean socialist amongst us.  I thought at least somebody believed in things like hard work and self worth.
   
  I'm kinda sad I got such a shitty score though to be fair a lot of those questions were way off point.

• Lucytorial said on Nov 28, 2008....

  So all socialists are against hard work and self worth then Sean? you're showing your immaturity now. Careful.

• SeanRenaud said on Nov 28, 2008....

  In a nut shell yes.  Self worth is completely tied to your degree of self sufficiency.  I suppose you can make an argument that a slave owner can be all about hard work so I appologize about that.  :-P

• Lucytorial said on Nov 28, 2008....

  Hold on a minute, so all Australians know no hard work, NO australian has a value of self worth? come on you're smarter than that, or at least I thought so.
   
  Because you fail to understand or have lived in a socialist environment you can't paint all those against your own thinking with the one arrogant paint brush Sean, please tell me you've graduated highschool thinking?

• SeanRenaud said on Nov 28, 2008....

  I just apologized for the hard work comment.
   
  You guys aren't socialist anyway, you're not as capitalist as the US but you're not really that far socialist, least not from the reading I've done.  But yes a socialist CANNOT have a sense of self worth because their entire philosophy is based around the idea that they cannot do for themselves and need others to provide for them.
   
  Honestly on that just like many subjects there is no good reason to graduate beyond High School  thinking because at that point you're no long thinking (on this subject) your nitpicking.  You're figuring how murder can be illegal in a country that isn't filled the pacifists.  Youre simply o thinking a relatively simple situation.

• Lucytorial said on Nov 28, 2008....

  **chuckling** I know you apologised for the hard working thing.
   
  Australia is far more socialistic than most western countries though, our views are based on equality of treatment for all, check out the history of our government from the early 1800's through to the late 1800's, so much socialistic change was baught about during those eras that they imbedded themselves in to the Australian psyche.
   
  Our sense of a fair go is somewhat more heightened than most capitalistic countries, so is our sense that jack is as good as his master along with the ideals of sharing the wealth that the man and his country have accumulated.
   
  As for your nitpicking and mine well its still enjoyable sometimes to do that, like navel gazing, it may not go anywhere but it is rather enjoyable to learn whats been hiding in ones own mind for some time.

• SeanRenaud said on Nov 28, 2008....

• Lucytorial said on Nov 28, 2008....

  you know whats weird... I commented after you did Sean and now you have a blank comment... soulcast ate it!

• SeanRenaud said on Nov 28, 2008....

  OK I've seen Soulcast do some creepy wierd shit but that kinda takes the cake.  I could have sworn I said I would like to be eye level with your navel, and you responded I'd miss the best parts. . .No seriously WTF happened here?!?!

   

• Lucytorial said on Nov 28, 2008....

  I DO NOT KNOW... but that is exactly what you said and exactly what I said.  Come on, that is definitely topping the scale of soucast mysterious missing comments.

   

  Kitty didn't delete them either cause you'res is still there with nothing written in it.  I just checked my cider, and its all gone, maybe its the cider?

• one_wired_kitty said on Nov 29, 2008....

  I didn't touch nothin.

• dyingman said on Apr 08, 2009....

  I had a whole blog entry about hypochondria, Mobil!  Try to keep up!
  
  As for "hard" socialism?
  
  What does that MEAN?  Communist?
  
  Nah. 
  
  The level of socialism we have now is almost adequate.
  
  My phones are supplied by Verizon.  A monopoly enforced by the government.  Communism in a capitalist veil.
  My electricity comes from BG&E, a government sponsored monopoly again. 
  My water comes from the municipal plant.  Tightly controlled by government.
  The roads are government owned and maintained.
  Comcast provides cable TV by government mandate.  Satellite TV gives me a choice, but not because competition was ALLOWED.
  Broadcast TV and radio airwaves are government controlled  
  Police and file protection could be privatized, but aren't.
  Some of this socialism annoys the heck out of me.
  
  But...
  
  
  Like most other civilized nations, it would make sense to have government pay doctors to supply health care at the basic levels.
  
  Government gets me basic water, but I can buy Evian.
  
  The government should get a penniless guy with Tuberculosis the antibiotics he needs to protect my family from contracting it.
  The same guy should be treated for his broken leg before it gets gangrene and he dies leaving a widow and orphans for the community to concern themselves with.
  
  Basic health care should be provided because it makes sense.  The conservatives even admitted that their idea of public health care is the emergency rooms that are forced to take them now.  Well, sure, after they've infected others or caused serious productivity slowdowns to their company and the economy. 
  
  Private health care can cover the pie-in-the-sky stuff. 
  
  

• andycox said on Sep 04, 2009....

  Some definitions:

  A capitalist is one who derives sufficient profit, rent, or interest from owning something so as not to have to work for a living. Ultimately, this income derives from exploiting the working class, from expropriating the surplus value produced by people, the vast majority, who are obliged to work for a living. 'Being a capitalist' does not amount to taking a particular stance on how far the state should involve itself in the economy. The state's involvement in the economy has absolutely nothing to do with socialism - or communism. Countries such as North Korea or Cuba are not communist. They are state capitalist regimes, and in this regard differ little from fascist regimes

  Socialism (or communism - the terms are actually interchangeable) refers to a global system of social organization based on common ownership, democratic control by all, production for use, and free access to all goods and services. Money, wages, profit, interest, and rent would not in fact exist.

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