• pickersplock said on Nov 22, 2008....

  Get used to it....he has to answer to Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Barney Frank...........it ain't getting any better.
   
   

• lfbno7 said on Nov 22, 2008....

  I don't think he's all that great to begin with, even if he could do whatever he wants. He's no King Dennis. He's just a politician and they all suck, any country, any gender, any color, any party. They simply all suck.

• pickersplock said on Nov 22, 2008....

  Well...............there must be some honest politicians!
  What about that guy from Utah with the cot?

• sheltercrow said on Nov 22, 2008....

  There is no doubt that Dennis is a hero to many of us for simply having the guts to carry-on while all the time being back-doored by his fellow democrats. Before the euphoria set in with the Obama ticket there were a few, including myself, who questioned whether he would make a difference.
  
  I am not a passionate leftist as much as a pragmatic humanist. The evidence of his populist, middle-of-the-road approach has always been there. No modern democratic politician wishing to make it to the White House can succeed without it.
  
  The fact remains that there is simply no place for any real change in our political system as long as elections are largely underwritten by large contributers and their lobbyist bag men. The idea that Obama can break from the past is predicated on the assumption that past practices have been jettisoned. That is clearly not the case when you look at the Obama contributers list.
  
  And anyway. Any change will most certainly not come in our lifetime unless a full blown depression happens. And that is what Obama will be doing his best to prevent. Change does not come by saving the very institutions that have steadfastly opposed change. If he suceeds with their agenda, as planned, he fails with change. If he fails with their agenda, he suceeds (albiet reluctantly) with change, but will be torn to pieces by those he has failed.
  
  If he actually takes his own message to heart and tries to make a reasonable change they object to, they will simply send in their attack dogs and tear him to pieces as they did to HC when she tried to introduce the single payer system.
  

• sheltercrow said on Nov 22, 2008....

  And keeping Joe the Judas is a losers game.
  
  
  
  

• ALIENated said on Nov 22, 2008....

  
  Ha ha ha ha ha. I TOLD YOU SO.
  
  

• husbandhater said on Nov 22, 2008....

  I don't know where you get your info from but Obama can't do shit yet. As the  saying goes guys theres' only 1 President at a time. King George has until January. And it was already stated that HE already sent that package out to Wall Street Not Obama. He is leaving Obama 350 trillon dollars to play with. 1/2  of the bailout funds to do with as he pleases so King George is still on the hook here for all his disasters including this one.
   
  • Remember that Obama ran a grassroots campaign so he owes NOONE unlike George and the rest of the republicans with their backdoor dealings involving Wallstreet cronies. Here's  where lies get created and started as people view things like this and buy this crap. Obama is still making cabinet appointments and obtaining clearance for his people. He is also just getting access to the books to learn the "ACTUAL" extent to the shit that George Bush has been involved with and up to. Read your papers man. And for GOD's sake be PROPERLY INFORMED.

• husbandhater said on Nov 22, 2008....

  • Oh and in case you haven't been paying attention: When theBig3 Came a knocking at the door of congress George said NO and that the buy out wasn't structured to include them. He vowed to veto anything that came his way. Congress and Senate told him they couldn't afford to wait for an Obama presidecy to take effect that they had to act now and that  he WAS NOT NEEDED to o.k. this measure that they had enough votes to over ride him anyway. And that was last week. Sounds like Bush is still very much in control.

   

  • Also diplomats were very upset when Obama didn't attend the World economic summit  and sent Republican and Democrat representatives as they were all egar to meet him. He told them all that it was not his time yet and that It was still George's show but that he sent representatives to keep him abreast of what was going on so that he could stay informed. Again does that sound like he has taken POWER yet?

• lfbno7 said on Nov 23, 2008....

  We have an optimist and a realist. My brother is big into Obama too. He says that the whole world once again looks to America as that shining beacon on the hill. That's understandable when comparing him to the stupid lying prick we used to have, the bastard who outed a CIA agent to get back at her husband for telling the truth about his prior lies. Bush is certainly a disgusting lying prick, so Obama has to look good by comparison. We live in a country full of baby souls that love authority and love Bush, and just got barely outvoted by the grownups. But as far as I can see, Obama is a politician and isn't going to rock the boat the way it needs to be rocked, and only King Dennis would do that, so we're stuck with another guy who ain't gonna get the job done. I'd do it. I'd fuckin do it. Robespierre without the guillotine. Heads would fuckin roll. And our problems would be dealt with directly. And either the people would get a decent health care plan, and our country would get a decent retirement plan, and the rich would finally pay what they should be paying into the national treasury, or I'd be at war with Congress in the media, hiring some big guns who could make the issues clear even to the retard American public.

• sheltercrow said on Nov 23, 2008....

  HH: Its not that I oppose Obama per say. I personally admire his more honest approach. But the fact remains that he has to work with what exists not what the electorate wishes to exist. And therein lies the paradox.
  
  Bringing in a complete set of outsiders would open him up to a real modern McCarthy backlash and not just the wing-nut far right. That would necessitate his energies being dissipated with a huge 'rear guard' against both parties. After all it is the two party system, with its career politicians, that is the facilitator to the existing inertia. 
  
  An interesting article by Martin D. Weiss, Why Washington Cannot Prevent Depression, pretty much explains why Obama either recreates the system or become a casuality of the system. Again, therein lies the paradox.
  
  Bush has always been a failure and uses 'reckless behavior' looking to impress the corporate world that he is not. The 'reckless behavior' to make this impression simply makes him a greater failure. And the 'reckless behavior' as a President has now embroiled us all in his effort to prove what he patently is not.
  
  I wish Obama well. But, in line with lfbno7's 'Robespierre without the guillotine,' there can be no change unless the old system is swept away. And they will most certainly not go 'quietly' into the night.
  
  Real freedom has always entailed 'eternal vigilance' against these great forces of greed and power. The founding fathers knew it well. They after all replaced the old masters with themselves and tried to enshrine a system to place a check on the 'real freedoms' they feared. You only have to read the 'federalist' and 'anti-federalist' papers they wrote (anonymously of course) to get the picture.
  

• sheltercrow said on Nov 23, 2008....

  Well, if Obama is to make a good start, this practice known as 'burrowing' has to be addressed immediately. This is where 'la guillotine sèche' starts. I paraphrase Eight Years Is More Than Enough.
  
  
  Burrowing is when favored political appointees are transformed into civil servants and granted instant tenure on the federal payroll.
  
  ...the score of Bush burrowers who have so far come to light bring with them the worst pro-industry, anti-regulatory biases that have made this administration such a disaster.
  
  Obama aides will have to circumvent or dump any Bush burrowers intent on sabotaging his effort.

• ALIENated said on Nov 23, 2008....

  
  @lfbno7: once a coolade sipper, always a coolade sipper. The Democrats /
  liberals / socialists will be blaming Bush for everything for years to come. Our
  twisted media, which has lost its ability to be neutral anymore, will help to
  propagate that fantasy (just as the current financial crises has been totally
  blamed on the Republicans). I am just sitting back and waiting for people like
  HH to realize what they have done by voting in this light weight. And to think
  OhBummer owes no one for his campaign donations is seriously funny. He owes
  everyone from ACORN to William Ayers. What will be really funny is watching
  the media as they are forced to recognize what a dolt OhBummer really is, if
  they ever do. But even the most brainwashed OhBummer follower will see the
  truth eventually, and the media will have to play along if they every want
  even the most gullible to listen to them again. ha ha ha. There is some real
  entertainment ahead.
  
  

• lfbno7 said on Nov 23, 2008....

  Like for the health czar, I wouldn't have appointed a pharmaceutical lobbyist, as in duhhhh. I'd have appointed someone who would bring the price of pharmaceuticals down, not up. They're much too high as it is. They are the single biggest contributor to both major parties, meaning they have no preference as long as they are buying influence in our govt. Pharmaceutical lobbyists and insurance company hired guns. Wolves watching the henhouse. I'd have nominated someone who would be thinking of us first, not of them first. It costs two pennies to make a bottle of blood pressure pills. The ingredients are as cheap as shit. The bottle itself probably costs them more to make than the pills. And they can't cry about their research and development costs because they are buying new private jets every year and their profits are obscenely high. At least he could have appointed someone on our side for health czar but he did not. What team is he playing for, really? Generally, aside from foreign policy, most political matters center on the Almighty Dollar. Think politics, think money. Somebody's making more of it, somebody's paying more of it. You're paying more for health insurance and prescription drugs, and your copay just doubled, Binky. And your kid doesn't have any, so he or she better look both ways before crossing the street.

• ALIENated said on Nov 23, 2008....

  
  You know, you can screw with the way things are, the way things work, but
  then things will not work. OhBummer was selling snake oil so he could get into
  the White House. I doubt that the could see much further than that. He will
  (and probably already is) learn soon enough how things work. He will have to
  scratch a lot of backs in order to keep getting his back scratched. That is 
  just the way it is, whether we like it or not. The Rx industry gets a lot of
  favors and they produce awesome drugs for all of us to use. They are just
  not going to do it unless they make scads of money while doing it.
  
  

• kelly said on Nov 28, 2008....

  "The Democrats /

  liberals / socialists will be blaming Bush for everything for years to come."

  Whatever, dude.  Brilliant Republicans such as yourself still manage to blame

  Carter for our problems.

• sheltercrow said on Nov 28, 2008....

  You know, for Alien to say 'I told you so' is like hearing the right saying 'I hate you.' It goes with the territory. So be it. As long as the wrecking crew, that is Alien's demented dream, is out, is OK.
  

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