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the word “perverted” is an interesting one. originally meaning “changed from original intent”, its primary use has come to be in a sexual context and of highly-mutable meaning: that which is in some way, shape or form not “the norm” vis a vis sexual practices. depending on the speaker, this could mean something as innocent as oral sex or silk scarves as used in very light bondage/domination or as unusual as orgies, spouse-swapping or any number of other things.

there’s an old joke that most of you already know that helps contextualize this:

what’s the difference between kinky and perverted?

dunno: what’s the difference?

kinky: you use a feather; perverted: you use the whole chicken.


now obviously, “ the norm” from which something can be considered perverted will vary considerably given the speaker. for some, possessing an assortment of sex toys is not only normal but to be expected; for others, it’s extremely unusual. now that’s really a long way of saying that perverted—or any analogous term dependent upon variance from a mythical objective standard for its pejorative power—is basically a useless word, strictly speaking.

i kinda don’t see a real meaningful use for this word, though.

ultimately, what two (or however many) people choose to do behind closed doors, so long as no one is harmed, is really none of anybody else’s business…barring cases of exhibitionism, anyway. :>

so why is it necessary to have a pejorative term to describe deviation from some fictional standard the validity of which is almost certainly not known and in all likelihood, unknowable?

i previously blogged about the somewhat unusual nature of my marriage. some people might find this arrangement perverted or somehow “lesser”. to them, i say: blow me. i don’t find it necessary to observe that i think they probably have boring sex, nor would it in fact be a fair statement: for all i know, those people might very well be rather uninhibited. i’ll confess that i tend to think that’s unlikely but really, needlessly casting such aspersions is neither fair nor productive.

come to think of it: it’s rather a lot like dismissing something as “perverted”, really. :>

anyone who’s ever had sex with more than just one partner knows that not everyone finds the same things appealing or even sexy. i know at least one guy that detests receiving oral sex. he has his reasons, i understand ‘em and they’re ultimately his own—i won’t presume to judge him on that basis (or indeed, any other). by contrast i know another guy who never receives oral sex and misses the hell out of it. i try not to think about his situation much, mainly b/c i can’t help thinking of that perfect quotation from good morning, vietnam:

adrian cronauer quoth
you are in greater need of a blowjob than any white man in history.


i suppose the point of all of this is simple: can we just be rid of this useless word, “perverted”? it really doesn’t add anything meaningful or useful when it’s used. i know, i suppose it’s futile to ask: the ability to be judgmental remains a cherished gift that most people enjoy exercising rather a lot.

but it’s worth asking the question, at least. certainly, i think so, anyway.



so does the word “perverted” do anything useful? is it really just a meaningless space-filler full of judgment and prejudice, signifying nothing, or is there some utility in having such a word? comment and tell me.

ed


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  • secretlife said on Aug 21, 2006....
    For me, as soon as I realized that some of my own sexual practices were considered 'perverted' by others, the word lost most of it's power.

    I say most, because the definition of perverted that I most often use is - turning away from what is generally considered morally 'right' - And, since we all have our own definitions about morality, I believe the word still has a place - When we use it, it tells what we, as individuals find immoral. You can, of course take that further to determine what groups of individuals find immoral, societies, etc. In that respect, I think the word is still useful.
  • silverwhisper said on Aug 21, 2006....
    it appears we're about to have our first disagreement, SL. :>

    personally, i think it's one of those words that says more about the speaker than the subject. :>

    ed
  • Dazlak said on Aug 21, 2006....
    I am not sure if I should speak my mind about it because I am not a native english speaker.

    But where I live the word pervert and kinky are one and the same. Sexual deviants are put together.. even though you use the feather or the chicken...

    I think where I live most people dont care or are not very shoced to hear about a pervert... if the stuff is not illegal, that is.

    So in my mind when I hear the word pervert I think about a guy who likes sex...

    but there is a saying in my contry... "everybody is a pervert, some hide it some dont" (of course it is my translation).
  • missfickle said on Aug 21, 2006....
    I would say that the words perversion or perverse should not be catagorised as words describing the unusual sexual practices of oneself or others.

    The word perverse, especially for me; can describe a multitude of practices that are not within the confines of what is believed to be 'Normal'. The word for me defines what 'I' believe goes against the normal.

    One can have a perverse nature for example,

    or for me nature can be perverse, especially when an exception to natural law is discovered.

    I like the word perverse, it describes for me something that is beyond the confines of 'normal' behaviour, and I to not use the word to judge, however I may use it as a description of how I see a situation, and act that goes against the norm, or a person that behaves in a strange way.

    Probably not logical, however I am not really logical, I just like certain words.
    Please don't boycot 'perverse' !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • secretlife said on Aug 21, 2006....
    oh, I don't think I disagree with you.
    (although I don't mind disagreements)-

    I agree it tells alot about the speaker and the beliefs of the speaker. It tells almost nothing at all about the subject-

    Don't you find that useful and interesting information? I do.

    For example: personally, I would tell you that I find sex with children a perversion. This tells you little about my definition of 'sex with children' - Am I talking about 5 yr olds? 15 yr olds? But it does tell you is something about ME.

    Let's pick a little different one-

    I find the war in Iraq to be a perversion of Democracy.

    Again, this is just MY opinion. It tells you something about me and my definition of democracy, and very little else.

    Are we disagreeing?
    I still like the word and think it has a place.
  • silverwhisper said on Aug 21, 2006....
    ah! see, i was referring specifically to the context of sex, which is where i primarily see the word slung. :>

    darn it, we're still agreeing... :>

    ed
  • FaithfulDisciple said on Aug 21, 2006....
    Er what would you call someone obsessed with pornography? Never mind. :)
  • silverwhisper said on Aug 21, 2006....
    FD: an addict. :>

    ed
  • lioneljay said on Aug 21, 2006....
    Actually, I find it rather charming to be called a pervert. When I hear that it tells me that someone was paying attention to me and noticed the real me.

    However, I side with those who posted earlier in favor of retaining the use of "perver" and "perversion" because it has so many useful applications outside of the sexual realm.
  • Zayda said on Aug 21, 2006....
    i was once told that my moral compass was "severly off center". i'm not sure what to make of that; thus, i'm not sure how i would respond to this. i need to think about this for a bit.
  • Lizzie said on Aug 21, 2006....
    One person's perversion is another's virtue.
  • JadeLondon said on Aug 21, 2006....
    Would a rose by any other name smell just as sweet (or some such, I am borrowing from Shakespeare)?

    What you are really saying is that you don't like the word perversion as related to sex, no?

    Words only have negative meaning if we let them, right?

    Why do Eskimos have so many words for snow?

    It is just one of those things, Silver.

    What you are really saying is that one man's trash might be another's treasure (I almost wrote 'pleasure'--would that be a Freudian slip)?

    Okay, I am stopping. Think I need to get drunk.

    Just kidding. But only a little. Stupid suck ass day! Yeah, I know, I am off on my own damned tangent.
  • lidstrom82 said on Aug 21, 2006....
    I think that perversion has lost its meaning because those that could be said to engage in perversion of some kind have simply ignored it.

    So in fact, it could be said that it has only lost its meaning to those involved ignore it, don't want to be "told what to do", or have simply become so permissible that, whether beneficial or not, all perverted practices could be seen as normal.
  • satyr said on Aug 21, 2006....
    Perversion is used in conjunction with sex???? Wow. (Just kidding).

    As one of those who probably qualifies in some peoples' minds as a perv, I have to say that I think while the word has connotations, the power has been lost. I'm still just a middle aged man who works 9-5 and comes home to his family.
  • Susmaryosep said on Aug 22, 2006....
    Next time I marry it will be to a "sex addict" whatever that means :-))
  • satyr said on Aug 22, 2006....
    Susmaryosep, let me know when you plan to marry again, I'll see if I'm available ;-D
  • silverwhisper said on Aug 22, 2006....
    lidstrom: when i see the word "perversion" used, it's expressly in the pejorative sense and expressly WRT sex or sexual matters. i find that the word is used expressly by people who believe the word possesses power against those who understand that it's a meaningless word. :>

    ed
  • lidstrom82 said on Aug 22, 2006....
    lol, when "perversion" is used against people who have seemed to remove its meaning, it's sort of like trying to hurt a fish with water. However, just because a person decides a word has no power, or lives a life that describes the word as if it's normal, doesn't mean it loses its meaning. Like, we can pretend mathematics are useless in our lives...until we have to calculate a 20% tip for dinner, or balance a checkbook.

    Perversion is NOT exclusive to sex. Virtually any good or neutral thing can be perverted. For instance, water is good, right? We wash with it, we drink it, and we enjoy it in many ways. However, if we take a bunch of it and drown someone in it, then we've perverted it.

    Interestingly, perversion is similar to the meaning of the word sin. If perversion is to change the original intent. That is only bad if the original intent was good to begin with, but sin means to "miss the mark", or to fail to hit the intended target. If the original intention is good, then to change or and/or miss it intentionally usually turns out bad.
  • silverwhisper said on Aug 22, 2006....
    except that mathematics, dear lidstrom, are a thing which possesses intrinsic meaning. the same cannot be said of the word "perversion" and i think you know that. :>

    ed
  • Susmaryosep said on Aug 22, 2006....
    satyr,
    I am male, and I hope that deters you.... ! But I am not sanguine.... hahahahahahah
  • satyr said on Aug 22, 2006....
    Susmaryosep - lol - oops
  • carmachu said on Aug 22, 2006....
    "personally, i think it's one of those words that says more about the speaker than the subject"


    Oh? So if I were to say sex with minor children was a perverted that means exactly what?
  • Razulki said on Aug 22, 2006....
    That every pair of HS kids out there bumping uglies is a pervert... Something you know not to be true....
  • silverwhisper said on Aug 22, 2006....
    thanks, raz.

    yeah, that for one.

    but that isn't the way the word is most commonly used, carmachu. you know that just as well as i do.

    ed

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