Lowry Nelson[1], a professor at what was called the Utah State Agricultural College in Logan, Utah, sent a letter on June 16, 1947, to the LDS First Presidency challenging the position of the LDS Church on people of African descent. On 17 July of the same year, the First Presidency replied[2]:
Lowry's reply (October 8, 1947) included:
The First Presidency replied[3]:
This is an apples and oranges arguement. The Bible is pretty clear on homosexuality and sexual perversion. Where does the Bible say a man and a woman have to have the same shade of skin to marry? How many shades of different would we tollerate? Totally ridiculous. Whereas the difference in men and women (of any shade) is immediately obvious. True Christians will never accept homosexual marriage, but interracial marriage is a non-issue because they are two totally different things. Why are homosexual sympathizers always trying to liken homosexuality to being born black? Apples and oranges. All blacks are born black. A few homosexuals are born homosexual, and the majority are just screwed up during childhood. Ask any ex-homosexual who is now happily married to someone of the opposite sex.
I'd wager you don't have any friends who are gay. You would lose your bet several times over. Where does the Bible rule out inter-racial marriage? It is silent on homosexual marriage because it is clear on homosexuality and perversion in general. No need for a second rule that would assume you have broken some other rule. Homosexual marriage, like polygamy, leads to a whole host of problems. That is why God suggests that we not do that. The Bible is a history book, the story of Jesus, recommendations about how the church should conduct itself, and a glimpse into the end of times. I am not so much against homosexual marriage as I am about seeing no need for it. If we allow homosexuals to marry, how can we deny polygamy, or someone marrying their brother or sister, or father or mother, or aunt or uncle? We have to have rules, but we live in a time when some want no rules about anything. We have already ignored the wisdom of the Bible in so many other areas and are now paying the price. Opening this door would cause more problems than it would cure. Homosexual marriage is so easily debatable because it is one of those things that does not appear, on the surface, to matter, but it is one of those things we should just know in our spirit that it is wrong. I wonder if the majority of homosexuals really care either way. I would almost bet that this debate is fueled more by liberals wanting to appear politically correct than by homosexuals in general, and by atheists who want to spit in the face of the religious. Of course, like so many things that liberals are adamant about, I figure it is mainly fueled by the devil.
ex-homosexual who is now happily married to someone of the opposite sex."
That's hilarious.
Wow Kelly, do you read anyone's comments other than mine? That is very flattering. Are you gay for me or are you just an admiring female?
They want someone to recognize that they love another humanbeing and that is o.k. I think that deseves respect weither people agree with it or not. Hey fuck marriage is misery more than fun. If they want to join the club jump on in the pool. I think they have a better arrangement than I where when their ready to part they can just leave where I can't I have to go to court and undo and fight. But fuck it. The more the merrier.
I agree that homosexuals are just looking for approval of their lifestyle in all this, and that is just never going to happen. No matter how many people walk around with two heads, people are never going to accept it as "normal". It may not be bad to be born with two heads, but it is never going to be normal until there are more people with two heads than with one. The Obamas have been associated with groups that call heterosexuality unnormal. That is where perversion leads -- to the nuts running the nuthouse. And that is the real problem. Most view homosexuality as perversion, no matter what they say in public. They have agreed to overlook it, live and let live, but they still think it is perversion, and will always act to limit that behavior. TV and movies are spreading propaganda constantly about homosexuality, but most people see through it. The vast majority of homosexuals are in that lifestyle for the sexual aspects, because they have become disillusioned with the opposite sex (blame daddy or mommy), or because mental problems pont them in the wrong direction. Most people say "well, if you want to live in a messy room, go right ahead, but do not come and mess up my house". Hey, this double talk is fun. Maybe I should become a liberal. We should talk about other perversions and see how many ways we can justify them.
Its easy ALIEN. Any perversion that doesn't hurt anybody but the person doing it should absolutely be allowed without interferance. Period.
And 52/48 is hardly an overwhelming most, particularly after the shameful hate messages the yes on 8 campaign spread. They are probably going to take it back to the court and then eventually to the Supreme Court. Right now though they are just making noise. And annoying me.
I'm actually very curious about the whole school thing. I can't recall ever being taught anything specifically about marriage (other than no sex before) in school at all. But there is no denying that a class was taken to a gay marriage.
It's too soon to call it obscure though. It's been legal for less than a year, then how many teachers have been married and how many are gay? Mathmatically it's not obscure yet. It's simply isolated.
I know I learned a good deal about Judaism because I had a Jewish teacher and she took all of the major Jewish holidays off (this was before they were allowed by schools) and she took the time out to explain to us that she wasn't sick but that she'd be going away this day or that day. We had matza (god could those crackers be any more card boardy?) honey and apples, during the Christmas season in addition to coloring in Christmas Trees we also did dredels and menorahs.
Students, particularly in K-5 where the students are spending six hours a day with the teachers. I find it unrealistic to expect that they wouldn't know if their teacher was in a homosexual relationship.
Damn bloc, are you a homo? Why are you so in the dumper to get homosexual marriage? Why do you give a shit? If you want your children exposed to perversion on a daily basis, at the mall, on TV, at school, go for it, but why corrupt our whole society? Moral decadence is what tanked old Rome, and it is on the way to tanking us, thanks to liberals, that I frankly doubt give a shit about homosexuals. They are just trying to feel good about their own sin and perversion. And, correct me if I am wrong, but we just got a president based on a whole trainload of lies and deception. I did not like that election, but I am not out yelling and shouting at people, trying to get the election overturned. But that is the new way. If liberals do not like how an election went, they jump up and down, sucking their thumbs, until they get their way, which is probably a lot of the problem in the first place -- they keep getting their way by doing that. You know the election I would like to see? A vote only amongst homosexuals about gay marriage. A TV poll where people have to admit being homosexual on camera and then whether they want homo marriage. As I understand it, only about 30 percent of homosexuals want to be married. Homo marriage is about a few homosexuals trying to validate their lifestyle and the rest is about liberals feeling good about themseleves. Go work for adopt-a-pet man. Do something positive with your life instead of trying to corrupt our society and our children's lives. This issue needs to go away so people interested in thngs like this stop voting for dufuses like Obama. The next Adolf Hitler or Joseph Stalin will support homo marriage, UNRESTRICTED abortion, gun control, and unchecked illegal immigration -- seemingly -- and will win the presidency handily. Of course, that plainly describes our president elect. Go figure.
Wow. I started typing out a response. I was going to point out that there is no actual proof that decadence caused the fall of Rome. Infact as many scholars believe that it was adopting Christianity caused the fall. Turns out that if you actually believe the world is going to end in your life time you don't really make long term plans. Fact is that you're clinging to a popular myth. But who cares. I was going to play ad libs and ask bloc if he was black and ask why was he so gungho about equal rights for them but then that would be too good a response.
I thought about pointing out that the majority of the lies in this campaign came from your camp and Obama barely had time to lie, he had to spend all his time and energy doing damage control.
I was going to ask then what percentage of people marry interacially. It's still pretty uncommon, people naturally separate into tribes anyway.
Then I realized the bottom line. Your bigot and there is no logic behind any of your opinions on this subject. Not one.
Oh my god, I am a bigot. Well I will just crawl off and die. This discussion is over. I am a bigot. Oh lord help me. I have an opinion other than accepting perversion and moral decadence. I have to be a bigot. Where did I go wrong? Woe is me. Now it is time for the "I hate gays so I must be gay" ploy. So I guess bloc loves torture and Sean hates Obama. I really have trouble following these weird liberal rules. (See my post "The Liberal Creed") I would agree that Christianity probably did play a part in bringing down the Roman Empire. Christianity most likely exposed the perversion of people like Nero, who fiddled as Rome burned. Face it, we just elected a man because he supports homosexual marriage and UNRESTRICTED abortion, and mainly because he is black. We are all fiddling as America burns.
No, our government fiddled while Bush tried to burn down the country and the rest of us are now trying to repair it.
I can make no sense of so many non-homosexuals fighting for homosexuals to marry. Why are so many ready to validate a perverted lifestyle. What is next on the agenda, legalizing sex with children, legalizing murder (oops, that one is already taken)? WHY should homosexuals have the same right as heterosexuals to marry? A man and a woman marry to create a family and an environment to have and raise children. Homosexuals CANNOT HAVE CHILDREN, therefore the whole idea of homosexual marriage is stupid. When a man and a woman marry and have children, they are a family. When two people of the same sex get together, they are ... roommates. There is no logical reason for homosexuals to marry. What rights are we denying homosexuals that we are not denying polygamists, relatives, etc.? The big problem with homosexual marriage is that no one can lay out a rational reason why homosexuals should marry. There will always be a battle over this issue because it makes no sense to the majority of the people. The majority will always think that homosexuality is perversion and homosexual marriage is wrong. Homosexuals want us to believe they are as sane and stable as heterosexuals, but they continue to show us en masse at demonstrations and homosexual parades just how weird and unstable they are. I know, I know. There are weird and unstable heterosexuals, too, but how many of them do you see in heterosexual parades dressed like jackasses? At one time there were laws against homosexuality across the nation. Then we said, this is a little harsh. Who cares what people do in their own bedrooms? But that did not solve the problem because the problem is, homosexuals want to be accepted as normal. So on we go to same sex marriage. Even if that was OKed, it would still not solve the problem -- the majority of Americans would still not think homosexuality is normal. So on we would go to something else like training children at an early age that homosexuality is normal. But that flies in the face of almost all religious teaching. So then we have another battle there. On and on and on because we are trying to justify and validate a perverted lifestyle. Such is the nature of sin. When you start down the anything goes path, well, anything goes. And goofballs are elected because they pretend that they believe anything goes. That in turn starts chipping away at our whole civilization. So we end up where we are today ... with OhBummer and a congress full of anything goes Democrats in charge of an anything goes nation headed down the drain. All because men want to suck other men's dicks and they want us all to think it is perfectly alright.
that's a tad different sean. In the military there are benefits to marriage, not so much in the civilian world. I can't make any sense of what smb said.
I'm not married so I don't know what or how much the tax benefits are. I know it's nothing like the military where getting married is literally a golden ticket but still.
ALIEN I have laid out a logical reason why gays should be able to marry. And you've NEVER once come up with a reason why it shouldn't be. Not once. So I'll lay it out again.
Marriage is a legal term granting certain rights and benefits including tax breaks, inheritance, power of attorney and medical rights.
So tell me why if your mother moves in with you why you should have to pay higher taxes, why you should be treated different, legally, than you and your wife.
Tell me why you and your best friend (I know your a Republican but you must have ONE friend) who moves in with you shouldn't rate the exact same benefits from living in the same house as you and your wife.
Personally they should just do away with marriage all together. Everything becomes a civil union and marriage becomes the sole domain of the church, no more legally binding than a baptism. Any logical reasons why that shouldn't be?
