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L.A. Times supressing information damning to Obama!

D6fer posted on Oct 28, 2008 | views: 141 | Tags: Obama, terrorists, Islamic extremists, bad friends, radical ties, politics
The campaign of Republican presidential nominee John McCain is demanding the Los Angeles Times release a video purportedly showing Barack Obama at an event in which he spoke of his friendship with a controversial Palestinian scholar, the Times reported on Tuesday.  source

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  • sheltercrow said on Oct 29, 2008....
    There is really nothing to this story...

    Rashid Khalidi, an American historian of the Middle East, is the Edward Said Professor of Arab Studies at Columbia University, and director of the Middle East Institute of Columbia's School of International and Public Affairs.

    [...]

    Khalidi’s research covers primarily the history of the modern Middle East. He focuses on the countries of the southern and eastern Mediterranean, with an eye to the emergence of various national identities and the role played by external powers in their development. He also researches the impact of the press on forming new senses of community, the role of education in the construction of political identity, and in the way narratives have developed over the past centuries in the region. Michael C. Hudson, director of the Center for Contemporary Arab Studies at Georgetown, describes Khalidi as "preeminent in his field."[The Knowledge That Doesn't Equal Power] He served as President of the Middle East Studies Association of North America in 1994. Khalidi is currently editor of the Journal of Palestine Studies.

    This reminds me of what happened to the 'China hands' or 'The Men who "Lost" China' during the Joe McCarty period.

    Since now the right wing demonizes all things Arab and Palestinian, their scholars, ever though recognized as 'preeminent in their field' are seen as aiders and abettors of the 'evil terrorists.'

    Much of Khalidi's scholarly work in the 1990s focused on the historical construction of nationalism in the Arab world. Drawing on the work of theorists Benedict Anderson who described nations as "imagined communities", he does not posit primordial national identities, but clearly argues that these nations have legitimacy and rights. In Palestinian Identity: The Construction of Modern National Consciousness (1997), he places the emergence of Palestinian national identity in the context of Ottoman and British colonialism as well as the early Zionist effort in the Levant. This book won the Middle East Studies Association’s Albert Hourani Prize as best book of 1997.[9] His dating of Palestinian national emergence to the early 20th century and his tracing of its contours provide a rejoinder to Israeli nationalist claims that Palestinians either do not exist, or had no collective claims prior to the 1948 creation of Israel. Nevertheless, Khalidi is also careful to focus on the late development, failings and internal divisions within the various elements of the Palestinian nationalist movement as well.

    Now that Obama has praised a man 'Khalidi' who 'has written dozens of scholarly articles on Middle East history and politics' he is an 'evil terrorist.'

    Khalidi's relationship to Barack Obama has come under increasing interest due to the U.S. Presidential race of 2008. Obama made one of the presentations in praise of Khalidi at a 2003 farewell dinner on the occasion of Khalidi leaving the Chicago Area. The dinner was a celebration of the Chicago area Palestinian community. Obama's remarks alluded to the numerous dinners that he had in the home of Rashid Khalidi. During the 2008 election race, opponents of Barack Obama suggested his relationship with Khalidi was evidence that Obama would not maintain a pro-Israel foreign policy if elected.[
  • stopmediabias said on Oct 29, 2008....

    Much as I hate to agree with shelter there really isn't much to this story.  This guy has a serious resume with a sprinkling of anti-semitism.  The Washington Times editorialized his anti-semitism in 2004

    http://web.archive.org/web/20070101030930/http://www.washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20040708-083635-4366r.htm

    This story does show how liberals have a different standards for different people.  If the L.A. Times sees nothing to this story then why is this tape such a threat?  Especially after the 2006 Arnold tape. 

    Personally I think if the media is going to ignore the Ayers, Rezko, Wright, thing they are certainly going to ignore Khalidi.  It obviously doesn't matter to people that Obama has a list of radicals and questionable people that he has hung out with over the years.

  • sheltercrow said on Oct 29, 2008....
    McCain's own associations with former 60's radicals.

    McCain's own associations with former 60's radicals. Indeed, until just a few years ago, McCain openly boasted not only about his passing friendship but also his deep collaboration with one of the most prominent of Vietnam-era student radicals, David Ifshin. The same David Ifshin who denounced America on Radio Hanoi as McCain sat locked up as a POW.

    I met Ifshin about the same time he came into McCain's life. But under very different circumstances. In 1970, as president of the left-leaning National Student Association, Ifshin traveled to North Vietnam with other anti-war radicals and it was then that he went on Radio Hanoi to denounce his own country's war effort. That broadcast was piped directly into POW McCain's cell in the Hanoi Hilton and he was understandably enraged by what he thought was a traitorous act by a fellow American.

    I crossed paths with the same David Ifshin a few months later when he showed up in Chile with folksinger Phil Ochs and Yippie leader Jerry Rubin. We spent some days together n Santiago and I can personally attest that while Ifshin never went as far as Ayres did in becoming a literal bomb-thrower, he was very much emblematic of a generation of radical dissidents. Ifshin had risen to notoriety by leading the takeover of his Syracuse university campus. He opened up his NSA offices to radicals trying to shut down Washington DC with streets protests in May 1971. Just after their sojourn in Chile, Ifshin and Ochs went on to Uruguay, joined a local university takeover and were arrested and deported.
  • sheltercrow said on Oct 29, 2008....
    Perhaps McCain would like to explain these associations.

  • sheltercrow said on Oct 29, 2008....
    McCain connections

    In August 1993, McCain traveled to the Pacific Northwest where he earned the illustrious distinction of becoming the first major politician to address the ultra-far-right Oregon Citizens Alliance. He was apparently making good on a promise he had made to the group the year before as he and other GOP leaders negotiated to prevent the Christian conservatives from running a third-party candidate against Sen. Bob Packwood, who would resign a few years later amid a sex scandal. 
  • sheltercrow said on Oct 29, 2008....
    John McCain's Terrorist Connections

    McCain's "terrorist" connections are far worse than Obama's links to Ayers. In the 1980s, McCain personally funded a guerrilla group (the Contras) that engaged in terrorist acts. Just last year, McCain expressed how "proud" he was of an ex-felon who urged shooting law enforcement agents in the head (G. Gordon Liddy). And earlier this year, the McCain campaign trumpeted the endorsement of a man who illegally provided weapons and money to terrorists; when a reporter questioned this, the McCain campaign refused to even criticize this criminal (Oliver North).

    In February 1988, the Washington Post reported that McCain personally (and "recently") gave the Contras $400.

    No one can doubt that acts of terror were committed by the Contras. Human Rights Watch concluded in 1989, "the contras were major and systematic violators of the most basic standards of the laws of armed conflict, including by launching indiscriminate attacks on civilians, selectively murdering non-combatants, and mistreating prisoners." Human Rights Watch also criticized acts of terror by the Sandinista government, but called the Contras "a force that has shown itself incapable of operating without consistently committing gross abuses in violation of the laws of war."
  • sheltercrow said on Oct 29, 2008....
    McCain’s Mob Connections

    ...the organized crime origins of the $200 million fortune of John McCain and his wife Cindy.

    [...]

    The Post reported: Cindy Lou Hensley grew up as an only child, and a privileged one, in a large rancher in an upper-class section of Phoenix. Her dad, Jim Hensley, founded what became a large Anheuser-Busch distributorship, and her mom, Marguerite, was a proper belle who emphasized impeccable manners.

    The Post also added, almost discretely, that Mrs. McCain’s wealth “may” exceed $100 million (although most sources estimate it is worth $200 million or more) and—for the record—that “she was the apple of her father’s eye.”

    The Post did not mention that Mrs. McCain’s father was a highly-placed fixture in the Arizona branch of the national organized crime syndicate: He was the chief henchman of the late Kemper Marley, Arizona point man for infamous mob chief Meyer Lansky and his powerful partners-in-crime, the super-rich Bronfman family of Montreal.

    In that capacity—for 40 years until his death in 1990—Marley was undisputed political boss of Arizona, acting as the behind-the-scenes power over both the Republican and Democratic parties.

    As such, his wealth and connections played the primary role in advancing John McCain’s political career from the start.
  • sheltercrow said on Oct 29, 2008....
    I think the issue of "radicals and questionable people" is better left alone. Especially when McCain is concerned. Yes?
  • sheltercrow said on Oct 29, 2008....
    Greed at a glance...

    In tough times, Senator John McCain told a New Hampshire rally last week, “the redistribution of wealth is the last thing America needs.” Alaskans might disagree. This year, every single resident of Alaska — no matter how young or poor or productive — will receive a $3,269 check from the state. A family the size of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin's household will receive $19,416. Alaska has been “spreading the wealth” ever since a 1976 state constitutional amendment created a special fund that invests at least 25 percent of the rentals and royalties Alaska gets from letting oil companies operate on state-owned land. Most of the earnings from these investments go directly to state residents. Any state, says the U.S. Basic Income Guarantee Network’s Karl Widerquist, could follow the Alaska model. Explains the political scientist: “Alaska has oil wealth; other states have mining, fishing, hydroelectric, or real estate wealth.”
  • D6fer said on Oct 29, 2008....
    well well well....shelter you've been busy!......do you have a job?.....my guess would be that you are paid to cut and paste to blog sites......I am not sure I've ever seen an opinion piece that you have done based solely on your opinion and not on that of some liberal rag.

    A question: If there is nothing to this video why won't the L.A. Times release it? I would think that by hiding it that they will do more damage to his election chances than if they just got it out into the open.
  • sheltercrow said on Oct 29, 2008....
    Dfer: I currently reside in a mental ward and spend all day harassing conservatives.

    As for opinions, they are as cheap as toilet paper and not half as useful.

    First off there is nothing wrong with Khalidi. His scholarship on "Arab and Palestinian" issues is correct and irritates the Israeli lobby. The Israeli lobby is a xenophobic Zionist lot.

    He rightfully connects the former, "Arab and Palestinian national identity" with "the early Zionist effort in the Levant" and counters the false claim of "Israeli nationalist... that Palestinians either do not exist, or had no collective claims prior to the 1948 creation of Israel."

    That of course makes him an "evil terrorist" in the Zionist press that now dominates Israeli politics, and to the Israeli lobby and lunatic fringe here.
  • ALIENated said on Oct 29, 2008.... 
    
Oh my god, McCain knows a preacher that you think is a bigot. Oh my
god, stop the presses. Skittlecork gets a feed from some liberal crapola
site or something. IF Obama continues to pull the wool over all his
follower's eyes, and gets into the Black House, I am going to really 
enjoy recounting how he pushed for Borax Marx Obama. Obama is a
socialist, liberation theology goofball with bad character flaws that 
probably stem from his inability to identify with either caucasians or
blacks, and probably because his sympathies lie with the Arabs and
consequently Islam. Face it, he is Frankenstein's monster. His stance
on abortion alone should be enough to cause any normal human being
not to support him. Keep trying to drag McCain down to Obama's level.
That is kind of what Obama wants to do -- drag us all down to the
poverty level so we will have to depend on him and the government
for our every need. The welfare state is alive and well, and it is 
called Obama. The good news is that even MSNBC is recognizing that
this race is not over, as all the Democrats and liberals assume. I think
pulling the race card (the Democrat party forcing a black man to the
top instead of a more qualified woman) is going to backfire in the face
of the Democrat elitists. Joe the plumber and all the other regular,
hard working Americans outnumber blacks and a few college students
that are pretty good at attending rallies and getting drunk, but not that
good at showing up at the voting place. I guess we will find out soon 
enough. IF Obama is elected, we will spend four years tearing the guy
apart as things like this video tape start popping up weekly, if not daily.
I frankly feel sorry for the media / Democrat party stooge. He has a
rough ride ahead IF he does become our president. But we will all have
a rough ride ahead.
  • sheltercrow said on Oct 29, 2008....
    Alien: A comment I left for SR:

    Alien, whatever his pretensions to educational credentials, is of the same demographic subset I mentioned above [see below]. There was a study done a few years back that came to the conclusion that the higher your I.Q. the more susceptible you are to the influence of propaganda, or public relations these days. To stay clear of the traps that one can easily fall into you have to be very vigilant.

    Public relations has little to due with ethics and more to do with mass communication and advertising, whatever the product.

    The [see below] note

    SR: I beg to differ. Having been around for over 50 years I can state with a bit of certainty that the first reference to 'Muslim' came to most older citizens through the medium of Malcolm X and Nation of Islam. The same demographic group that now opposes Obama.

    SR: With respect. Malcolm X, whom I admire by the way, will forever be remembered for his first radical years by the older, cracker right. Having lived through that time, I can personally remember many conversations with right wing nutters, who to this day still regard Malcolm as a 'commie.' There has always been an intentional, self-inflicted blindness by these people. They see what they want to see, whatever the facts may be, not what is actually there.

    You Alien are "the older, cracker right" I was referring to.
  • sheltercrow said on Oct 30, 2008....
    These things that the media fail to report...

    In an October 29 article, United Press International reported the allegation by Sen. John McCain's campaign that the Los Angeles Times is "suppressing a video of a 2003 banquet showing opponent Barack Obama praising a Palestinian activist," and quoted a McCain campaign spokesman saying the video "could provide a clearer link between Barack Obama and Rashid Khalidi." However, the article did not note what ABC News senior national correspondent Jake Tapper described in an October 29 blog post as McCain's "own connection to Khalidi."

    Tapper documented that while McCain served as chairman of the International Republican Institute (a position he still holds), the IRI provided "$448,873 in 1998" to the Center for Palestine Research and Studies, which Khalidi co-founded. Tapper noted in an October 29 update to his post that while the "IRI said a grant made to the CPRS in 1999 was later 'de-obligated,' ... [t]he 1998 payment of $448,873 is NOT in dispute." In a subsequent post published October 29, Tapper reported that the IRI released a statement that day "confirming that it gave money to Khalidi's group ... and also trying to distance the organization from Khalidi himself." The Huffington Post's Seth Colter Walls reported on October 28 on the IRI's funding of Khalidi's organization.

    Additionally, in an October 29 post to The New York Times' Caucus blog, reporter Elisabeth Bumiller noted that "the Obama campaign swiftly pointed out that Mr. McCain has his own connection to Mr. Khalidi," and cited the IRI's 1998 grant to the CPRS.

    From Tapper's updated October 29 blog post:...

    [...]
  • sheltercrow said on Oct 30, 2008....
    Alien:

    "the Democrat party forcing a black man to the top instead of a more qualified woman"

    I believe it was the voters in the primaries that did the work here.

    "Joe the plumber"

    His first name isn't really Joe. It's Samuel. He's not really a plumber - at least, not a licensed one. He's concerned about increased taxes - but hasn't paid his own income taxes. And he's not exactly just a guy from Ohio. He's lived in Arizona ... and Alaska.

    Among the factoids gleaned from state and county records:

    -- He is registered as a Republican, and voted in the state's GOP primary in March, county elections records show. But he was previously registered, dating back to 2007, in the Natural Law Party.

    -- He has lived in McCain's home state of Arizona - in both Mesa and Tucson.

    -- He lived in GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin's home state of Alaska - in North Pole, from September 1992 to July 1993.
  • sheltercrow said on Oct 30, 2008....
    Joe the Plumber

    Under the GOP's vote suppression strategy in Ohio, McCain's now famous icon could have had a hard time casting a ballot.

    In a case that has now gone to the Supreme Court for review, Republicans in Ohio are challenging the registrations of all new voters whose names and other information do not exactly match those in government databases. It turns out that one of the present Ohio voters who could have fallen into this category is Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher -- or is it Worzelbacher? -- otherwise known as Joe the Plumber.

    Read the post at The Guardian.

    Read the whole story here.
  • stopmediabias said on Oct 31, 2008....

    D6-I guess the question cannot be anwered because nobody cares.  Shelters answer still doesn't makes sense, lunatic fringe? 

    Rashid is chances are an anti-semite but I think the work he has done outweighs all of this.  The big problem is imagine if the AP released the headline "Dallas Morning News refuses to release tape damning McCain" How would CBS,NBC,ABC, CNN, MSNBC, cover a story like that?

    It does seem that it looks worse keeping the tape secret versus just letting it out.

    The Democrat party did force a black man to the top.  This election is not about experience or qualifications.  How many black people do we have in this country that are ten times more qualified than Obama? 

  • ALIENated said on Oct 31, 2008.... 
    
I heard a report on FOX news the the media has been found about 57% 
negative against McCain and about 25% negative about Obama. I think
that first numer is too low and the second is too high. NBC was found to
be the most biased toward Obama. NBC is mostly owned by General
Electric, and the GE leaders have made it their mission to get Obama
elected (how do you think they are doing, especially the Obama Network,
MSNBC, which was almost 100% negative toward McCain).

And Skittlefart's continued personal attacks bounce off me like bullets off
Superman. Cut and paste away, dude/dudette. I do not know what my IQ
is (and do not care), but I am pretty sure what yours is. Anyone that can
defend Obama and his shady past most likely has an IQ equivalent to a
rock. With that is mind, I have to say ... you rock.

And I am about 435 earth years old. Not even middle aged where I come
from. Ha ha ha ha ha
  • sheltercrow said on Oct 31, 2008....
    SMB: "Shelters answer still doesn't makes sense, lunatic fringe." That is because you are of the lunatic fringe yourself. I pose a challenge. Prove your not.

    Lunatic Fringe refer to the members of a political or social group espousing extreme, fanatical, or irrational views.

    Proof... calling Khalidi antisemitic because his research has, with certainty, revealed the revisionism of Israeli historians done to create a false historical record.

    "Rashid is, chances are, an anti-semite but I think the work he has done outweighs all of this."

    Proof... "The Democrat party did force a black man to the top" when Obama actually got the nomination from winning the democratic primary.
  • sheltercrow said on Oct 31, 2008....
    Alien: I do not "defend Obama." I actually just point out the falsity of your assertions. I would do the same if you were an Obama supporter. I detest the use of smears and would rather use facts. Pretty simple really.
  • ALIENated said on Oct 31, 2008.... 
    
If only that were true.
  • sheltercrow said on Oct 31, 2008....
    Alien: Like I have said before you would better serve your purposes if you got an alt and faked being an Obama supporter than constantly placing bogus pro-McCain ditto-head comments.
  • sheltercrow said on Oct 31, 2008....
    From the Washington Post.

    An 'Idiot Wind'

    John McCain's latest attempt to link Barack Obama to extremism
  • sheltercrow said on Oct 31, 2008....
    The Evil Charlie Rose with his Terrorist Cell Friends.

    Charlie Rose - Rashid Khalidi / Antonia Fraser Video” width=

    Rashid Khalidi at Columbia University Video” width=

    Charlie Rose - Rashid Khalidi, Columbia University; Stephen P. Cohen, National Scholar, Israel Policy Forum Video” width=


  • sheltercrow said on Oct 31, 2008....
    The Evil Charlie Rose Terrorist Cell Friends include Tom Brokaw, Lorne Michaels, Paul Krugman, Henry Paulson, Robert DeNiro, Warren Buffett, Tony Blair, Hank Greenberg, Sarah Palin, Richard Holbrooke, Bob Woodruff, Barbara Walters, Admiral William J. Fallon, Ted Koppel, Antonin Scalia, Tim Russert, George Will, Governor Arnold, George Clooney, Ted Turner...
  • stopmediabias said on Nov 01, 2008....

    Sheltercrow-Rashid has made statements in the past that would make everyone agree he probably is not fond of Jews, and I said the work he has done outweighs these comments.  That certainly isn't an extremist point of view.   

    And why did Obama get the nomination?  Not because he qualified because he is a Tiger Woods.  I've said before, I've read his book and found him to be a very smart capable man.  At the same time his ideology and associations state he leans and is comfortable way over to the left.

    There is no way a member of the lunatic far-right fringe (like that idiot Michael Savage) would read anything written by a liberal or ever compliment them.

    I seriously lean to the right but am not part of the lunatic fringe.

    What actually makes you apart of the Michael Moore lunatic left fringe is the fact you don't see any bias in the media during this election cycle.  Even some Democrats have acknowleged this.  You also hide behind your links and either agree with or encourage 9/11 conspirators, THAT is part of the left lunatic playbook.

  • sheltercrow said on Nov 01, 2008....
    SMB: "Not because he qualified [but] because he is a Tiger Woods" That my friend is a right wing, ditto-head, talking point of no substance. His charm and charisma is part of being a politician. Next to McCain everyone looks like Tiger Woods, black or white. "either agree with or encourage 9/11 conspirators" You have never taken the time to read all of what what I have posted as my personal opinion on the trade towers. You missed the "mob concrete" and other pieces that take a different look at why. Shoddy construction per the infamous NY construction industry combined with an obviously corrupt owner are the real concern as I see it. "his ideology and associations state he leans and is comfortable way over to the left." His ideology is rather plain populist and his associations are corporate to same extent, if not more, than McCain.
  • sheltercrow said on Nov 01, 2008....
    SMB: My browser had a problem.

    "Not because he qualified [but] because he is a Tiger Woods"

    That my friend is a right wing, ditto-head, talking point of no substance. His charm and charisma is part of being a politician. Next to McCain everyone looks like Tiger Woods, black or white.

    "either agree with or encourage 9/11 conspirators"

    You have never taken the time to read all of what what I have posted as my personal opinion on the trade towers. You missed the "mob concrete" and other pieces that take a different look at why. Shoddy construction per the infamous NY construction industry combined with an obviously corrupt owner are the real concern as I see it.

    "his ideology and associations state he leans and is comfortable way over to the left."

    His ideology is rather plain populist and his associations are corporate to same extent, if not more, than McCain. 
  • stopmediabias said on Nov 01, 2008....

    Shelter-What exerience does Obama have to take on the responsibility of President.  What has he done in the past that qualifies him?  What military experience, foreign policy experience, domestic policy experience, the list is endless.  How many black politicians in this country would be far better suited?  Why not just put Brad Pitt up for nomination if it is all about charisma and charm? 

    I have read parts of your postings that suggest President Bush had some hand in the events of 9/11.  That is ridiculous beyond imagination bullshit.  If there is one sentence on your blog that even implys that might be true then your whole blog is tainted. 

  • sheltercrow said on Nov 01, 2008....
    To be honest, what qualifications does McCain have to be a Senator? None really if you look at his resume. Experience as a fighter pilot that crashed four planes by mistake? No. He wouldn't have lasted 10 minutes in a real war. He is where he is because he is a rear admirals son, and grandson, that married into old mob money. His history of shady land deals in Arizona and the Keatings five are what he is all about.

    If nutter is what you're looking for you better look to yourself. Here are a few of your best nutter stuff. Just a simple search, which you seem to be incapable of, disproves all this screwball stuff.

    "the political cartoons the Banner publishes are radically leftist"

    "The free market provides for everyone who works hard" 

    "The media has been silent and grossly negligent in reporting any negative thing about Obama"

    "If the media did their job in a fair-minded non-biased way, Obama wouldn't even be close"

    "If anyone not black in this country made a comment about Jews like this they would be run out of town"

    "He [Clinton] also brought us into a recession"

    I could go on but you get the point. As for 9/11...

    I posted interesting articles about 9/11 that included some of the Bush clan. How on earth is one to explore the issue? But. The fact of the matter is that I came to different conclusions in the end and that is what matters.

    And I hardly believe you read any of my blogs. Lets be honest here.
  • stopmediabias said on Nov 02, 2008....

    Shelter-We stand on virtually opposite ends of the political spectrum.  This is clear because all of the quotes you dug up I can prove and put forth a reasonable debate supporting them.  Therefore I see them as logical statements.  You see them as extremist because in one-sentence fragments there is room to bend. 

    Such as the first quote: "the political cartoons the Banner publishes are radically leftist"

    I can show proof of Banner political cartoons that are so maliciously and blatantly leftist they could be racist.  On the other hand does every cartoon they publish fit this profile, no.  In this context the quote is partially untrue.

    I define radically lefist as an opinion that: 1-favors liberal side of debate while harshly criticizing the conservative side.  2-Overblows and manipulates a subject to specifically smear Republicans or Conservatives.  3-Is blatently disrespectful and cruel.  4-Is unfair.

    I certainly have read some of your blogs, how do you think I came upon some of your choice words about me which lead to my words about you on my blog.

    On 9/11.  There are people that believe President Bush set in motion a series of events that made those tragedies happen and his motive was to get the American people fired up against Muslims making it easier to go into Iraq so we can take thier oil.

    There comes a point when reasonable debate has to stop and the nutcases shunned. 

    Here's a quote from one of your experts:

    "The GOP's faith in the 911 orthodoxy has become a secular religion, akin to their unquestioned belief in Christianity, a faith --not a science --in which they are relieved of responsibility, forgiven all sins in exchange for merely believing a 'dogma' for which there is not a shred of logic or fact in support. The 'terrorists' have become Christ-like. They have borne America's collective guilt and died for our sins. "

    Is this what we have become in America?  I think we are better than this. 


     

  • sheltercrow said on Nov 03, 2008....
    SMB: No insult intended but you really do have to get an understanding of where the political system here stands in the overall picture of world politics. Both the republican and democratic parties are seen as right wing parties everywhere except here in this country. There really is no center or left here. That is a spoon fed distortion from the corporate media.

    If you limit what you read to the main stream literature available here in this country you miss out on the overall understanding of the political landscape.

    Having a little understanding of where bush comes from I hardly think he would be let in on something like that as a conspirator if it was true. And the odd character of the events he was involved with after 9/11 didn't help his credentials.

    No. I personally think it was a combination of elements. The corrupt buildings trade and inspection organization in NY, the corrupt nature of the owner and the sheer audacity of the incident.

    The building may have been "designed" to withstand those planes but it was not "built" to the prints. All the construction in NY is compromised from the layers of corruption it goes through. "Mob concrete" is just a minor part of the problem. The NY city inspection department didn't even inspect the building to code. And the owner wanted to take it down but couldn't afford to remove the toxins first.

    later.
  • sheltercrow said on Nov 03, 2008....
    As for quotes... hum... I only believe what I can verify.

    I have been reading these things for a long time and have concluded, with others, that most of these political pundits simply make up a lot of their material as they go along. Its what they get paid for. The more outlandish and obtuse the story the better it reads for the ill informed. And the more they get paid. If I got paid as much as they do I would consider doing the same.

    The odd thing is I think most people think the stuff is horse shit but still drink it in.

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