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SeanRenaud posted on Oct 10, 2008 | views: 511 | Tags: Sarah Palin, politics, palin, hillary clinton, Obama, murder, war, death, kill, women, sexist
I know all the posts are deleted so I won't bother looking for the extreme right's quotes on Hillary Clinton in the earlier parts of this year.  I could have sworn I heard something about how our enemies wouldn't take us seriously with a woman leader.  How nobody respected England when Margaret Thatcher was the Prime Minister and various other perceived weaknesses behind why a woman shouldn't be president.  Why can't I hear them now? 
 
Well look at the bright side, it's not like you guys are flip flopping or anything. . . . . . . . . . . .
 
 


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  • Lucytorial said on Oct 10, 2008....
    **Smirking**
  • mobil said on Oct 10, 2008....
    Quit your drooling all over Sarah's shoes, sure she's hot, sure she can shoot and skin a moose.
     
    Let's see Maggie or Hillary do any of those things!
     
    Besides Sarah is HOT, us Rednecks like hot women who can shoot and skin a moose man..............we'll follow her anywhere. No flip, flop there Pal.
  • GreenStars said on Oct 10, 2008....
    They should all just walk around wearing flip flops for as much as they contradict and make themselves look bad especially Palin.
  • bloc said on Oct 10, 2008....
    I brought this up a couple of times in comments to smm, d6, etc. They never answer. 
  • ALIENated said on Oct 10, 2008.... 
    
Dude, it is not the gender or the color with me. It is about the philosophy.
Unlike Democrats who just talk the talk (women are equal, blacks are
equal, blah blah blah), I walk the walk.

Obama is a 60s style socialist (probably enamered with William Ayers
because he was a 60s radical). Obama is the one our enemies will not take
seriously. They will just take him out. Besides Hillary was running for the
number one spot. Palin will be the ditzy VP, like Gwhore. However, I would
vote for Palin as president over Obama any day of the week. And all my
posts are still out there if you want to check for some other answer. You
will find lots of negatives about McCain because he was not my first 
choice, but he is the best choice now. And he will bring a better team
with him. People like Barney Frank will be coaching Obama. OMG.
  • bloc said on Oct 10, 2008....
    anyone that looks at Obama's platform will see a sane and wise vision. I can't say the same for McCain's. I don't know how we can pay for another 10 years in Iraq along with buying up everyones bad home loans on top of the 800 billion bailout. 

    Honestly, the republicans are the ones pushing all the socialist bailouts. 
  • D6fer said on Oct 10, 2008....
    go look through my posts......I doubt very much that I ever said anything like that.....if I did, I would eat my words.

    Unlike you bloc, who said that you could not vote for Obama......does that post still exist?
  • kelly said on Oct 11, 2008....
    "...sure she's hot, sure she can shoot and skin a moose."

    Yeah, those are exactly the qualities I look for in a leader.  When did the Republican party get to be such a band of anti-intellectuals?

    "Palin will be the ditzy VP, like Gwhore. "

    I do believe you meant to say "like Quayle."
  • bloc said on Oct 11, 2008....
    @d6
    yes, that post still exists. I've been thinking about posting about that. I'm not sure what I'm going to do, but it doesn't really matter since I live in CA. There are a few things Obama has done that I really don't like, but I really like a lot of the things he is standing for. Everyone here knows that the Constitutional issues surrounding Bush are very important to me and Obama has let me down on that front. 

    Do I not vote for him for that reason alone? After I said I wouldn't the McCain campaign made a turn from serious to unhinged. I used to like McCain, but his campaign is the embodiment of the problems with our political system and Palin is plainly incapable of running this country. I honestly believe that we would do serious harm to ourselves if Palin became President.

    So what do I do? I imagine you have similar feelings towards McCain. After all he believes that global warming is man made and a serious problem. He has proposed more socialization with his offer to buy out the mortgages of people that got bad loans. He has said plainly that Bush has tortured people. Do you put those things aside and vote for him because he is closer to you than Obama? Or do you vote for the libertarian?
  • ALIENated said on Oct 11, 2008.... 
    
OK, Gwhore and Quayle.

Obama's platform ... a sane and wise vision

When has any Democrat president had a sane and wise vision? Clinton's 
vision may have been wise, but he was not sane. Carter was somewhat 
sane, but definitely not wise. Republicans usually have to deal with the 
mess they were given, and the Bush administration is no exception. Clinton
weakened our military, thus the 9/11 attack. The financial mess we now 
have started during the Carter years. Plus, Republicans haveto fight the 
negative propaganda in the liberal media every day. If you think Obama 
will lower taxes, or even keep them the same, I would have to say the
Democrats are the ones who have become anti-intellectual (or stupid). 
McCain has repeatedly said that we should not raise taxes on anyone
and the Obama campaign keeps lieing about that, and Democrats are too ...
anti-intellectual to see that. Even with all that is going on, Bush has kept
taxes low and the economy strong barring this financial meltdown partly
caused by Democrats on the take from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. It
is sad that liberals / Democrats have been ranting and raving about 
supposed torture and then do not know the truth when it runs them over.
Obama wants to "change" our country to something none of us will
recognize or want except for nutballs like William Ayers and maybe some
radical Islamic turds like Louis Farrakhan. I do not care what his "plan" 
says. We have seen him flip flop and say whatever he has to say to get
elected. I think he has a plan, but I do not think you will get to see it 
before it is executed. No one sits in a church and listens to the racist 
bullcrap Obama was listening to for 20 years without agreeing with it. And
you call  Republicans anti-intellectual. A child could see through all that, 
but you choose to ignore it. God help us.
  • ALIENated said on Oct 11, 2008.... 
    
Or do you vote for the libertarian?

I am voting for McCain because of the people he will bring with him. Obama is
a novice, at best. Absolutely no track record. We have already seen him buckle
under pressure on several issues. How can you believe anything he says he
stands for? McCain will be a one-time president and then a Democrat will surely 
be elected. Palin will go into the history books. If something happens to McCain,
she will get the job done until 2012. To think otherwise is just plain sexist (the
presidency is not just about one person). But, hopefully, the Democrats will learn
their lesson and offer up someone closer to center. The Democrat party has got
to get away from the socially radical crap of the last couple of decades and get
back to what Mr. and Mrs. America are interested in -- life, liberty, and the 
persuit of happiness -- not gay marriage, infanticide, socialism, and a welfare
state.
  • SeanRenaud said on Oct 11, 2008....
    Clinton weakened our military, thus the 9/11 attack. Bullshit and you know it.
  • mobil said on Oct 11, 2008....
    There is allot of bullshit in here and we all know it
  • SeanRenaud said on Oct 11, 2008....
    Yeah but claiming that Clinton caused 9/11 is bullshit to the nth degree.  It's not a difference of opinion, it's a blatant bulshit lie and one that I can't let go unchallenged.
  • mobil said on Oct 11, 2008....
    I agree, but Clinton let our military go to hell in a hand basket and that didn't help with putting boots on the ground after the fact.
  • ALIENated said on Oct 11, 2008.... 
    
BS, riiiiight. Can Democrats even read anymore ...
    http://www.optimist123.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/chart1.gif 
    
What that says is the Cheney (DOD) budget was larger than Clinton's, especially
taking inflation into account ...

  Nominal dollars (inferior way to compare, by the way): 

    1992 (Cheney)=$286.6 
    1996 (Clinton)=$253.2
    Constant (year 2000) dollars (good way to compare):

    1992 (Cheney)=$340.3 
    1996 (Clinton)=$275.5
    Percent GDP (good way to compare):

    1992 (Cheney)=4.6% 
    1996 (Clinton)=3.3%

Note that, in all cases, the 1992 outlay for military spending was larger, not smaller, than that for 1996.  (The same is true for 1993 vs 1996, by the way.) 

See this article for more info ...
    http://www.optimist123.com/optimist/2005/02/excuse_me_the_c.html 
    
You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people (Democrats)
all of the time. Evidently.

You cannot win every arguement by saying bullshit or fuck or some other 
junior high expletive.
  • ALIENated said on Oct 11, 2008.... 
    
Note that, in all cases, the 1992 outlay for military spending was larger, not smaller,
than that for 1996.  (The same is true for 1993 vs 1996, by the way.)
  • curmudgeon said on Oct 11, 2008....
    Lookin like the libertarian for me at this point.
  • bloc said on Oct 11, 2008....
    the idea that an increase in spending would have prevented 9/11 is stupid. We spend more than all other countries combined!
  • sheltercrow said on Oct 11, 2008....
    Back to reality...

    The "PUBLIC REPORT" for the Legislative Council of Alaska, released October 10, 2008 by Stephen Branchflower.

    The problem is that she and her cracker husband Tod lied... not "that Gov. Palin could fire Commissioner Walt Monegan at will, for almost any reason, or no reason at all."

    Palin abused powers, Alaska ethics probe finds

    The report says she knowingly "permitted Todd Palin to use the Governor's office and the resources of the Governor's office, including access to state employees, to continue to contact subordinate state employees in an effort to find some way to get Trooper Wooten fired."

    Further, it says, she "knowingly permitted a situation to continue where impermissible pressure was placed on several subordinates in order to advance a personal agenda."

    The report concluded that "Gov. Palin's firing of Commissioner Walt Monegan was a proper and lawful exercise of her constitutional and statutory authority to hire and fire executive branch department heads." It cites the Alaska Constitution, which says "the governor may discharge department heads without cause" and that department heads "serve at the pleasure of the governor."

    "In light of this constitutional and statutory authority, it is clear that Gov. Palin could fire Commissioner Walt Monegan at will, for almost any reason, or no reason at all."

    The report states that, while there is no doubt that Monegan's "failure to fire Trooper Wooten was a substantial factor in his own firing, the evidence suggest it was not the sole reason."

    Page 65

    The evidence supports the conclusion that Governor Palin, at the least, engaged in "official action" by her inaction if not her active participation or assistance to her husband in attempting to get Trooper Wooten fired [and there is evidence of her active participation]. She knowingly, as that term is defined in the above cited statutes, permitted Todd Palin to use the Governor's office and the resources of the Governor's office, including access to state employees, to continue to contact subordinate state employees in an effort to find some way to get Trooper Wooten fired. Her conduct violated AS 39.52.110(a) of the Ethics Act. That statute provides that:

    ~~The legislature reaffirms that each public officer holds office as a public trust, and any effort to benefit a personal or financial interest through official action is a violation of that trust."

    Governor Palin knowingly permitted a situation to continue where impermissible pressure was placed on several subordinates in order to advance a personal agenda, to wit: to get Trooper Michael Wooten fired. She had the authority and power to require Mr. Palin to cease contacting subordinates, but she failed to act.

    Such impermissible and repeated contacts create conflicts of interests for subordinate employees who must choose to either please a superior or run the risk of facing that superior's displeasure and the possible consequences of such displeasure. This was one of the very reasons the Ethics Act was promulgated by the Legislature.
  • sheltercrow said on Oct 11, 2008....
  • ALIENated said on Oct 12, 2008.... 
    
The statement was that Clinton weakened our military, which he did and he
looked weak, which most likely enboldened Osama Bin Ladin to the point he
was able to pull off 9/11. (We should not forget what that little attack did to
our economy, yet we have done pretty well anyway thanks to the Bush tax
cuts.) Obama will project that same "citizen of the world" bullcrap image. We
will again appear weak. Don't tread on me will be laughable under Obama just
as it would have under Kerry, the military hater. McCain understands all this
even if you guys pretend not to. I for one do not want to live in fear of 
going to the mall or any large building downtown for the next four years. I 
would rather have Sarah Palin as president than Obama. She has one, but 
he is one.
  • D6fer said on Oct 12, 2008....
    here's a catch 22 for you.....if palin hadn't fired that guy and the trooper in question was still employed.....then we would be discussing a different scandal wouldn't we?
    "Palin should have done more to get that trooper fired....he tazered a kid!"


  • sheltercrow said on Oct 12, 2008....
    dfer: 'he tazered a kid!'

    Of course. What cracker cop do you know wouldn't if he could get away with it.

    The problem is that she and her cracker husband Tod lied...

    I know it's hard to stomach but public officials like Governors have to follow ethical guidelines as prescribed by law. When they run for Vice President it's even more imperative, at least on paper.

    For a reality check...

    The Washington Monthly.

    A HISTORIC TICKET.... Now that Sarah Palin has been found to have abused her powers, violated state ethics, and lied about it, I did a little digging and found an interesting historical footnote.

    The McCain/Palin ticket is the first in American history in which both candidates were found to have violated ethics standards before a national election.
  • SeanRenaud said on Oct 12, 2008....

    Clinton weakened our military.  While this is a fact to connect it to 9/11 is Grade A level bullshit that has no relationship to reality.  None whatsoever.

    We are all aware of the fact that Palin didn't fire the kid who tazered the kid right?

  • sheltercrow said on Oct 12, 2008....
    Read the PUBLIC REPORT for details.

    He was suspended by Alaska police officials for five days for various infractions, including using a stun gun on his stepson -- on a low strength setting, and at the boy's request -- and shooting a moose without a permit.
  • stopmediabias said on Oct 12, 2008....

    It wasn't Clinton's weakening of our military that caused 9/11, it was his very weak foreign policy.  People seem to forget the USS cole and the first WTC attack, to which Clinton did nothing.  He dropped the ball in Somalia which weakened us as well.  It weakened us mainly because it told these terrorists they can kill Americans and we won't do anything.

    I find it amazing that people go after Palin for lack of experience and she is in the VP slot, Obama is in the lead spot and the only experience he has is hanging out with the scummy underbelly of Chicago politics.  At minimum Palin's credentials as an executive and in energy make her far more qualified than Obama. 

  • sheltercrow said on Oct 12, 2008....
    Lets put some perspective on this Bin Laden thing.

    After the August 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in Africa and on the day of the American retaliation in Afghanistan a few weeks later.

    Associated Press reported that the Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich said the following on August 20, 1998:

    Well, I think the United States did exactly the right thing. We cannot allow a terrorist group to attack American embassies and do nothing. And I think we have to recognize that we are now committed to engaging this organization and breaking it apart and doing whatever we have to to suppress it, because we cannot afford to have people who think that they can kill Americans without any consequence. So this was the right thing to do.

    CNN's Candy Crowley reported on August 21, 1998, the day after cruise missiles were sent into Afghanistan:

    With law makers scattered to the four winds on August vacation, congressional offices revved up the faxes. From the Senate majority leader [Trent Lott], "Despite the current controversy, this Congress will vigorously support the president in full defense of America's interests throughout the world."

    Crowley continued:

    "The United States political leadership always has and always will stand united in the face of international terrorism," said the powerful Republican chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee [Jesse Helms].

    The Atanta Journal—Constitution reported the same day:

    "Our nation has taken action against very deadly terrorists opposed to the most basic principles of American freedom," said Sen. Paul Coverdell, a Republican member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. "This action should serve as a reminder that no one is beyond the reach of American justice."

    Former vice president Dan Quayle was quoted by CNN on August 23, 1998:

    I don't have a problem with the timing. You need to focus on the act itself. It was a correct act.  Bill Clinton took — made a decisive decision to hit these terrorist camps. It's probably long overdue.
  • sheltercrow said on Oct 12, 2008....
    In early 1996, American officials regarded Osama bin Laden as a financier of terrorism and not as a mastermind largely because, at the time, there was no real evidence that bin Laden had harmed American citizens. In fact, the Justice Department did not secure an indictment against bin Laden until 1998 – at which point Clinton did order a cruise missile attack on an al Qaeda camp in an attempt to kill bin Laden.

    Let me remind you.

    From 1999-2001 the Republicans controlled the house 223 Republicans to 211 Democrats. From 1997-1999 228 Republicans to 206 Democrats.

    104th Congress (1995-1997)
    Majority Party: Republican (52 seats)
    Minority Party: Democrat (48 seats)

    105th Congress (1997-1999)
    Majority Party: Republican (55 seats)
    Minority Party: Democrat (45 seats)

    106th Congress (1999-2001)
    Majority Party: Republican (55 seats)
    Minority Party: Democrat (45 seats)
  • sheltercrow said on Oct 12, 2008....
    Give it a break. The only qualifying aspects of Palin's for the Republicans are her tits.
  • mobil said on Oct 12, 2008....
    News flash from sheltercrow; "Democrats are opposed to tits!"
  • bloc said on Oct 12, 2008....
    neocon hypocrisy is on full display here. They complain that Clinton didn't respond strongly enough yet when he did respond they all bitches and moaned that he was trying to take attention away from the lewinsky scandal. No matter what Clinton did they would say it was wrong.
    Again we spend more on our military than the entire world combined. This was true under clinton as well.
  • D6fer said on Oct 12, 2008....
    under the circumstances of our position in the world, don't you think that we probably need to bloc?
  • D6fer said on Oct 12, 2008....
    would you rather have Russia or China have the most advanced military?
  • bloc said on Oct 12, 2008....
    i think you may have missed what i said. We spend more than all the rest combined. Russia and China are not even remotely close to us. The two of them combined are not even remotely close to us. We could cut our budget in half and neither of them would be even remotely close to us.

    We certainly need a strong military, but what we have is a military industrial complex that is making some people very very rich, and it isn't making us any safer.
  • sheltercrow said on Oct 12, 2008....
    mobil: News flash from sheltercrow: Tits, whatever their aesthetic qualities, do not a politician make. The republicans have a lot of dimwits so there is nothing new there. But the use of a cock teaser is a new low. How would the republicans have responded if Clinton had done such 'wink' work as Palin?

    bloc: absolutely.
  • satanx said on Oct 12, 2008....
    America will be gone by TWO THOUSAND 12. McCain is the anti-christ.
  • mobil said on Oct 12, 2008....
    sheltercrow, If Hillary would have tried to wink.........it would not  have the same affect. She is a boner...........shrinker.
     
    Aside from that, or that aside. You cannot see any good in Palin and I cannot see any good in Hillary AND that carries over to everything Republican and everything Democrat.
     
    This isn't about politics sheltercrow, this is about how we live our lives, what we personally think about life, liberty and the persuit of happiness.
     
    The lines are drawn deeply and NO ONE is going to win anyone but the ignorant and perhaps very young over. I'm not ignorant or young. Are you?
  • sheltercrow said on Oct 12, 2008....
    Bare with me here... just connecting a few dots.

    As of August, 2008 the 'Alaska political corruption probe' has resulted in indictments against five current and former Alaska state legislators on corruption charges, as well as the indictment of US Senator Ted Stevens. In addition, there have been guilty pleas by two executives of the oilfield services company VECO Corporation to charges of bribery and conspiracy to impede the Internal Revenue Service. A number of Alaska businessmen, lobbyists and others have also been either indicted, convicted or otherwise implicated.

    On July 29, 2008 Stevens was indicted by a federal grand jury on seven counts of failing to report gifts received from VECO Corporation and its CEO Bill Allen on his Senate financial disclosure forms, formally charged with violation of provisions of the Ethics in Government Act.

    Palin Directed Stevens' "Excellence In Public Service" 527

    More from same

    Stevens, 84, faces a Sept. 24 trial on charges he knowingly took home repairs and gifts worth more than $250,000 from the oil field services company, Veco Corp., and failed to report them on his annual U.S. Senate disclosure forms. Next week, a judge will decide whether to grant Stevens' request to move the trial to Alaska.

    Sen. Ted Stevens indictment   Video” width=

    Here is Palin back in July talking about her great relationship with Stevens.

    The sports complex, however, is seen by many local officials as a budget-busting white elephant.

    “I feel sorry for our current mayor, because of the mess that Sarah left behind,” said Anne Kilkenny, a respected government watchdog in Wasilla. “And the sports arena is still a money loser for the city.”

    “Sarah was very focused on the sports complex,” said Wasilla council member Dianne Woodruff, who began serving after Palin’s tenure. “But somebody forgot to buy the land before they started building on it. Somebody dropped the ball. It was the fault of the people running the city at the time. As a result, we’ve spent well over a million dollars more than we should have. And we’re still paying for it.”

    With its frontier political infrastructure and its geyser of oil money, Alaska has become as notorious as a third-world petro-kingdom. In recent years, scandal has seeped throughout the state’s political circles — and at the center of this widening spill is Alaska’s powerful patronage king, Republican Sen. Ted Stevens, and wealthy oil contractor Bill Allen.

    Despite Palin’s reform reputation, she has maintained a delicate relationship with Stevens over the years — courting his endorsement for governor, then distancing herself after his 2007 federal indictment on corruption charges, and then cozying up again when it
  • sheltercrow said on Oct 12, 2008....
    Last... the ticking time bomb.

    Did Sports Complex Contractors Build Palin's House for Free?

    The prosecution just rested in the Ted Stevens trial, in which he is accused of accepting $250,000 worth of free renovations to his house from VECO, an oil pipeline company. VECO workers labored for months remodeling Stevens' home at the company's expense.

    The Palin's two-story, four bedroom, four bath home on Lake Lucille is worth $552,000. "Todd Palin built the house with friends who were contractors, he said in a recent television interview."

    At the same time the mighty Todd was building the house, the Wasilla Sports Complex was under construction right down the road. Just who were these "friends who were contractors" who did such a huge favor for the Palins by building their house for them? Was it payback for the sports complex contracts? Wayne Barrett of the Village Voice asks the question, below the fold.
  • sheltercrow said on Oct 12, 2008....
    mobil: 'I'm not ignorant or young. Are you?'

    Aren't you the person who thinks neoliberalism is about liberals?
  • mobil said on Oct 12, 2008....
    No, I'm the person who thinks your views and your sources are partisan. You have me confused with another person.
  • sheltercrow said on Oct 12, 2008....
    This is from Progressive Californians not democrats.

    Smashmouth Economics

    By Thomas Gangale

    George W. Bush pushes a $700 billion "rescue package" of government money to shore up the markets. Henry Paulson announces that the government will use some of the money to acquire stock in banks. John McCain proposes that the government buy up the bad paper on your home. And any number of deregulationist Republicans are now tripping over each other to step up to the pulpit and preach the need to replace our outdated, 20th century regulatory structure with a newfangled system for the 21st century.

    All of which leaves the Republican Party with about as much philosophical underpinning as the Communist Party in China, where capitalism is cleaning our clock. Perhaps the Communist Party and the Republican Party ought to swap names, for the GOP is now espousing the sort of capitalism that Karl Marx would have loved.

    [...]
  • sheltercrow said on Oct 12, 2008....


  • D6fer said on Oct 12, 2008....
    sheltercrow....it amazes me that you don't seem to recognize the fact that democrats are as deep, if not deeper, in this mess.....why can't you show some honesty?
  • sheltercrow said on Oct 13, 2008....
    dfer: its a shame we only cross paths here in these comments. I am not a democrat nor a liberal. I am under the impression there is not much that divides the two parties. I personally subscribe to the concept that they are two wings of the same corporate party whatever they may wish call themselves. The two just squabble over the spoils of office. The democratic party used to be called the Democratic Republicans you know.

    The Democratic Party evolved from political factions that opposed Alexander Hamilton's fiscal policies in the early 1790s; these factions are known variously as the Anti-Administration “Party” and the Anti-Federalists. In the mid-1790s, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison organized these factions into the Republican Party, later re-named Democratic-Republican.

    The Republican Party was created as a reaction to the power of the slave states not to the ideas of slavery. Emphasizing higher education, banking, railroads, industry and cities. All those things that were excluded to the common citizen except by way of being exploited.

    When the Republican Party was created, the two major parties in the United States were the Democratic Party and the Whig Party. The Republican Party was created in 1854 in opposition to the Kansas-Nebraska Act that would have allowed the expansion of slavery into Kansas. The Republican activists denounced the act as proof of the power of the Slave Power—the powerful class of southern slaveholders who were conspiring to control the federal government and to spread slavery nationwide.

    Its always been about who is in control of the spoils of government.
  • D6fer said on Oct 13, 2008....
    so why do you seem to attack the republicans while leaving the dems alone?
  • sheltercrow said on Oct 14, 2008....
    I seem to attack the republicans to you because I tend to fact check strange assertions to which you have taken a stake. I use common sense as a guide. Here, most of the emotional energy is displayed by the right, which leads them to some rather odd conclusions that I take issue with. When someone does Democratic party propaganda I will do the same. I have posted articles on Obama. No one read them obviously.

    I make an exception not too get too dirty on Obama for the simple reason it is the time to elect someone other than 'white men.' I am not being racist just inclusive. He is taking the middle road, and, whether you agree or not, is not breaking any new ground. He is neither far right (Keyes) or far left (Jackson) so I think he is acceptable to all people generally.
  • D6fer said on Oct 14, 2008....
    Obama is not far left?????

    You are kidding right?

    Socialized medicine is not far left?
    The freedom of choice act (unions strong arming new membership) is not far left?
    expanding taxation....is not left?
  • GnawingDog said on Oct 14, 2008....
    Dfer: since you are far right all things look far left to you.

    Publicly-Funded Health Care. The term 'Socialized medicine' is used by wing-nuts. Your not a wing-nut are you?

    This hardly describes far right....

    British National Health Service hospital trusts and health systems that operate in other countries as diverse as Finland, Spain, Israel and Cuba. The United States' Veterans Health Administration, and the medical departments of the U.S. Army, Navy, and Air Force would also fall under this definition.

    Canada's Medicare system, most of the UK's NHS general practitioner and dental services, which are all systems where health care is delivered by private business with partial or total government funding, fit this broader definition, as do the health care systems of most of Western Europe. In the United States, Medicare, Medicaid, and the U.S. military's TRICARE fall under this definition.

    Most industrialized countries, and many developing countries, operate some form of publicly-funded health care with universal coverage as the goal. According to the Institute of Medicine and others, the United States is the only wealthy, industrialized nation that does not provide universal health care.
  • SeanRenaud said on Oct 14, 2008....

    Thing is Canada is moving away from that system because it turns out that when you give shit away for free that people use it for stupid reasons and their wait lists are attrocious.

    I can't speak for all vets obviously but I know that Vet car is so pathetic that it's free and I still go without rather than slogging through that bullshit.

    Note: I'm sold that we need UHC, we just need to realize that everybody who's tried it thus far has fucked up and not copy their systems but instead learn from them

  • D6fer said on Oct 14, 2008....
    People need to be responsible for at least a good portion of their health care.....otherwise, it will be abused, as Sean points out.

    That's why I like HSAs.....I have one.....I love it.
  • SeanRenaud said on Oct 15, 2008....

    One idea that I've heard that I like is an inverse bill.  (though I have a one very basic problem with it that keeps me from truly supporting it)

    An inverse bill would bill a based on the severity of the injury/illness.  These are numbers pulled from the air so attack the idea not the numbers.

    Heart Attack: 20.00

    Mild Fever: 250.00

    The idea is to discourage people from coming in for stupid shit while taking care of those who need it.  Problem with this plan is that it doesn't encourage early diagnosis which is really the principle upon which I accept UHC as a good idea.  We've already decided as a nation we will take care of you if you get cancer, so why not find it early and cut it out rather than pay for chemo and a two year stay (I'll side with the people against UHC the moment they say the following phrase andback it 100%.  "Cancer?  No cash?  You are so fucked."  Until then  we've got a situation and we need to deal with it best we can.

  • bloc said on Oct 15, 2008....
    HSA's do not solve any of the problems we have. What happens when you have a catastrophic accident and the HSA isn't enough. High deductible insurance right?

    Well high deductible insurance has the exact same problems that we currently have. They try to increase profits by denying service to people in need. They refuse to cover people with pre-existing conditions in many cases.

    Also, obama is not far left. Kuccinich is far left. There is a huge difference between those two.
  • GnawingDog said on Oct 25, 2008....
    The Vet Who Did Not Vet

  • GnawingDog said on Oct 25, 2008....
    The above was from Just Ain't Right below is from http://justice4claire.blogspot.com/

    Friday, October 24, 2008

    Shameless Pro-Obama Vid with Commentary vs. Hank Jr.'s Excruciating Pro McPalin Dirge



    I think I like this one for the surprise faces popping up throughout, not that I need an updated look at Jason Alexander, Whoopi or Barry Manilow by any stretch but it's fun all the same. I also would like to mention that none of the artists involved immediately demanded that their images and music be removed from the ad unlike McPalin's desperate camp who've been disowned by every recording artist they've attempted to co-opt into their ads. McPalin's ads bring to mind that creepy kid in school who would hop from table to table in the school cafeteria being greeted by screams of Eeeeeeew !!! at each succeeding table but shamelessly pursuing the group who'd have him no matter what the damage to his pride or psyche. I guess Hank Williams Jr. has finally agreed to let McCain's crew hang with him and has gone so far as to pen a little number for him too :



    Naturally we open with the USA chant favored by morons and low information hooligans everywhere. Watch Sarah's natural dysrhythm and you'll see why I've been calling her Miss Vanilla from Wasilla. She's got all the l moves and music of a Moose Lodge beer blast especially her out of synch clapping attempts. I also love the Jr.'s lyric about McPalin not having radical friends to whom their careers are linked. Todd Palin, the First Dude of Alaska, and 7 year member of the Alaska Independence Party whose main tenet is Alaskan secession from the lower 48 can be seen parked in the front row looking like he wishes he was fishing. I guess secession isn't radical if you do it in Alaska even if Abe Lincoln had a problem with it. God, even their theme songs lie ! I know Jr.'s no Pavarotti but is that the Wild Turkey or the Old Golds doing his singing for him these days ?

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