• TinSoldier said on Sep 01, 2008....

  If you read the women's comments over at Republicans for Obama, then you know that the reaction is highly negative.
  
  In some cases, vehemently so.
  
  See especially this post and the accompanying graph.
  
  Of course it's still early. While I think there are things worthy of criticism I'm not gonna write her off as a light weight until the debates. I've seen enough commentary about her that says she's more than she appears at first glance.
  
  Personally, while I think it was a mistake on McCain's part, I kinda hope I'm wrong, and that even though I don't think McCain will win, maybe Palin will be set up favorably for national office in the future.
  
  
  Will she draw many of the Hillary supporters from Obama?
  
  Will she get the N.O.W. support? Shouldn't she?
  
  
  You're kidding, right? Most Hillary supporters see this as a political ploy, and most NOW supporters are very liberal and doubly so when it comes to the abortion issue. If McCain picking Palin helps him any at all, it will be amongst conservative evangelicals and maybe among some moderate-to-conservative women.
  
  It will do nothing for either liberal women nor for moderate-to-liberal women. And as I posted above, even many moderate-to-conservative women will be less than impressed.
  
  
  
  
  

• D6fer said on Sep 01, 2008....

  I think that the Republicans for Obama site is a joke.......I would love to see the funding stream for that one!
  
  fact of the matter is...most of Americans are basically conservative....this will play well with them.....they are silent, but vote.....that is where the groundswell of female support will come from.
  
  The comments about the womens movement were designed to bring out your response.....I know who they are.....they are communists....they supported Clinton despite his womanizing ways.....they are so transparently corrupt, I don't see how any woman with a grain of integrity would want to associate themselves with that organization.
  
  I think you are wrong tin....they will win big.
  
  On a side note.....I think this is Hillary's biggest nightmare right now.....now she has to actually really try to help Obama get elected! instead of undermining him!
  

• SeanRenaud said on Sep 01, 2008....

  American's are only basically conservative if you compare us globally where.  If Obama were to run for office in England or France he'd be right wing (and rather extreme right at that) Bush and Pelin. . .they'd just be laughed at.
   
  On abortion American's are roughly evenly split and lean towards pro-choice and Pelin wanting to teach Creationism is like an albatross (it's fortunate for the right that neither her nor Biden really matter) because there are democrats who are pro-life.  There are virtually known who are pro-creationism or ID.  what's more is it's viewed as a political ploy rather than a legit move.  Early assessment show this being bad for McCain, most of the polls have him losing as well. 
   
  Personally I think we need another week.  I'd be shocked if McCain won but I was shocked when he beat Kerry as well (I called his name brand recognition carrying him the first time and was acutally shocked Gore put up so much of a fight that we got the controversy we did)  Should have been a landslide.

• D6fer said on Sep 01, 2008....

  Palin will help him win.....watch and learn.
  

• CayenneMan said on Sep 01, 2008....

      D6fer, when I first heard the annoucement I felt it was an brilliant political move.
  I can only hope your viewpoints are correct. If Obahma gets in there we're up the creek ! Unfortunately Michael Savage does'nt see it your way. I'm hoping he is completely wrong.  Recently I returned from a trip to South Carolina. I was getting plenty of thumbs up by passing motorists.  I pulled over to find out what was up.
  There it was  . . .somebody had put an Obahma bumper sticker on the back bumper of my r/v while I was parked at a truck stop. I did'nt waste any time trying to peel it off I just took out a can of black spray paint and sprayed over it. Unfortunately I had been driving for miles before finding this out.

• husbandhater said on Sep 01, 2008....

  She is a joke and so is his nomination of her. I might have given him  an honest look had Romney or some sensible person of respect been his pick but I don't like when people play on my intelligence. I hate being taken for a fool. His pick of her still tells me he's out of touch with me the average Joe working stiff. It's like he took a Soccer Mom off the street and picked her to be his running mate.
   
  She has TOO much to LOSE. Vice Presidency IS IMPORTANT in this particular election for 2 reasons.
  #1 Obama even with his mixed race background is still considered the 1st Black President which will bring the nuts in FULL FORCE(especially the racist ones which is why Powell will never run while his wife is alive.). Which means Bidden could Possibly see Presidential time.
   
  #2 McCain is in his 70's and has had previous medical problems. Should he bow to a medical illness,old age,or anything like that this woman with 5 kids(one infant with special needs) id going to find time to manage a household of such and manage Billions of Americans? Give me a break. My middle son has adhd,I have 3 kids and 2 full time jobs and I feel like I'm losing it. As a working MOTHER there are times that it comes down to Job or family. Someones going to lose and as much as I wouldn't want it to be her children I don't think it should be me,or mines or any of you and yours either.
  Besides I want a leader who could command respect from world leaders. Not be told to cover their head or change into a BURRKA before discussing world events and policies. Will  we be ready for a Woman President? In 4-8yrs perhaps but not in the current climate. That is part of Why Hill LOST! They should have also paid attention to that FACT!
   
  At least Chelse is grown. Which means you don't stop worrying but her Mom could focus on other things. Your asking a "woman" with 5 kids 1 in Iraq,2teenagers and 2 small,1of which is a special needs infant to manage all of that,husband and country? As sexist as this may sound but as truthful  as it is. The role of a father is different from a mother,even in todays' woman's lib society. That is how JFK could run around and have 2 small kids in the Whitehouse. Jackie did the child rearing which left him free to do his job and help when he could. Now children need their dads but there is nothing like needing MOMMY.
   
  Besides she is too conservative. She wants to take away the right to choose and I'm not confortable with the government lording over my or anyother person's body. Like Nelson from the Simpsons says:"HAHA" That's what I say to this.

• husbandhater said on Sep 01, 2008....

  D6 thie is going to be the moment that you see us getting off the pot i'm afraid:(

• dailyachesandpains said on Sep 01, 2008....

  Did you guys hear her un-wed 17 year old daughter is knocked up?  The news just broke during the storm coverage...wonder why they picked this time?  Oh, bye the way, she's 5 months pregnant. 

• dailyachesandpains said on Sep 01, 2008....

  Here's the link where this is confirmed.

• Eilan said on Sep 01, 2008....

  I guess abstinence-only education begins at home.  Or not, apparently.

• SeanRenaud said on Sep 01, 2008....

  Or maybe society will not and cannot defeat human nature.

• TinSoldier said on Sep 01, 2008....

  I've already seen a lot of smears against Palin, and I think it's really sad.
  
  It was already rumored that Palin's fifth child was actually her daughter's when that was patently untrue.
  
  And now people want to make hay about her daughter being pregnant. How many of us think that that is really that unusual, even though teen pregnancies are down in the US?
  
  But whatever. Other people can focus on the negative. I'm not gonna do it.
  

• dailyachesandpains said on Sep 01, 2008....

  Tin:  I don't think it's unusual at all.  However, asking for privacy???  Ummm...yeah, I find that unusual.  McCain knew her daughter was pregnant and I just don't get a good feeling about his picking.  Picking a woman...history, picking a woman with a pregnant teen daughter...appealing to many young voters because her teen daughter's pregnant and maybe appealing to anti-abortion/pro-lifers.  However, how will the old school elders feel about it?  Conflicted? 
   
  I saw that story about the fifth child actually being her daughter's child...that was sad and totally uncalled for.
   
  I honest to goodness don't care for McCain or Obama at all.  I do have to vote though.  Or do I?  That's what I'm conflicted with right now.  Does my vote REALLY count?  I don't live in Florida, so I'm guessing it doesn't.  I don't understand much about politics and the Electoral College and I have been trying to learn and understand more in recent years.  Someone pointed me to the Wiki about the Electoral College and it may as well have been written in French.  I still don't get it and don't think I will ever understand it. 
   
  Now, I leave this post actually feeling sad about not having a TRUE understanding of politics and my history teacher was a jerk and taught us NOTHING (I'm really serious).  My Mother went in front of the school board along with other parents and he still remains a history and govt. teacher to this day.
   
  Daily

• SeanRenaud said on Sep 01, 2008....

  What don't you understand about the electoral college is really very very simple. 
   
  The short answer on if your vote counts is it depends on where you live.  It's not JUST Florida votes that count edit but I won't confuse you with those details until I figure out what is confusing you already cus I don't want to make it worse.

• dailyachesandpains said on Sep 01, 2008....

  I just don't understand why the popular vote doesn't win and WTF the electoral college is even here for!
   
  Massachusetts right now...yup home of the drunken senator!  I was New Hampshire, but back in MA. 
   
  Sean, I know I am a total idiot...I love ya so you can just say it!  :-)

• D6fer said on Sep 01, 2008....

  electorial college or not....it makes no difference if everyone agrees to the rules before hand......you cant change the rules after the game has been played right?
  
  

• D6fer said on Sep 01, 2008....

  btw......I doubt that Palin had anything to do with her kid getting knocked up.....as a matter of fact, I bet she was quite pissed......as I found out the hard way myself....kids dont always do what you want them to.....even if you think you make the right moves sometimes.....how many cops or preachers kids did you know growing up, that were always in trouble?

• andora said on Sep 01, 2008....

  N.O.W. will not be swayed by Pallin's gender because women are essentially in agreement that they do not want reproductive decisions to be in the hands of  government, whether it is run by men or women. Reproduction is personal, why doesn't the gov instead get involved in creating an economically and environmentally viable reality that encourages women to have children? Rather than police personal decisions, we should be involved in creating a society that people wish to populate! Back Asswards thinking to go after the symptom of a broken society (abortion) rather than addressing the deeper issues.
  
  McCain amazes me...he gets away with straight faced lies and double talk, while Obama gets unbelievable scrutiny. Recently there was a study that showed how the politics of the red and blue divide is actually genetic. Since we are all hard-wired to polarize politically and, in many ways religiously, I am less surprised that there are people in the world that would re-elect W and elect McCain. Those that would allow W to shred the constitution, trash the military, abort the Geneva convention, make pre-emptive war and occupation an American standard etc...must be more invested in power than integrity. This explains why I moved to a remote island in the middle of the Pacific because that type of consciousness self-destructs with regularity!
  
  The GOP was saved by this hurricane...they could not have come close to the type of support and love that Dems, Independents and Republicans showed Obama! Funny enough though, there was an evangelical leader that openly asked Christians to pray for rain to spoil the Dem convention. Now, this so-called 'man of god' gets to find out what kind of voodoo he was really involved with as two major hurricanes pre-empt the Grand Ole Party. What a stupid pig! Is that what Christianity has come to in the US? These people are not only stupid and fat...they are godless!
  

• andora said on Sep 01, 2008....

  yes, I know there are Christians that are not stupid pigs - or even fat, but they have stood by while the ones that are pigs call themselves compassionate conservatives and instead show themselves to be wolves in sheep's clothing. Like Pat Robertson calling openly for political assassinations as he prays like a pious loving minister of Christ's gospel. If I were a Christian, I would make some effort to call bullshit on types like this, rather than roll over and let war mongers associate themselves with Christ.
  
  Those that think W was a uniter instead of a divider or a compassionate conservative, are simply insane or trying to hide behind an image of Christ that has nothing to do with their true agenda: power. Christ may have spoken truth to power, however, he did not advocate using power as a means of implementing His gospel. Christians who support the republican ticket simply because they are against abortion have allowed the scum that would use their sentiments for life's sacred tenants to implement torture, cronnyism, dishonesty, secrecy, slavery and international intimidation in the name of Jesus Christ!?!. To deny this shows that this type of person has no conscience...or, in other words, is a socio-path!
  

• dailyachesandpains said on Sep 01, 2008....

  D6:  I think I was misunderstood with regard to her daughter being pregnant.  I'm sure she was pissed.  My Mother was pissed when my sister was 21 and had a baby and single. I just thought it a little odd that McCain knew her daughter was pregnant and chose her.  Almost like "See...Told you so" when it comes to being pro life.  The fact that he picked a female almost seemed like "Got 'cha Obama!"   I'm not digging either of these candidates.  I just don't like the jabs going back and forth at each other.  As far as I've seen (remember, WHAT I have seen) McCain's done a bit more of it.  How can she even think of asking for privacy when on the ticket?  That is something I do not, and will not, ever understand.
   
  Speaking of cops getting into trouble (I know you were referring to their youth)...one of my old friends was a detective and is no longer (as of a month ago) because of embezzlement charges brought against him by a bookie!!!  The bookie reported it!  Funny, sad, but true!  The bookie went to the station to press charges and they didn't arrest him at all. Agree with you there D6, although, he was never in trouble growing up, but became to be!  I don't feel bad for him, he made his bed...
   
  I'm not asking to change the rules...I just questioned them.  I said I don't understand the Electoral College and I don't understand politics as much as I should.  I'm trying to learn and have been. 
   
  Sean:  THANK you!!!!  Thank you SO much for the EC information you sent me!  Now, you should go to wiki and edit the page for people like me!  I thought about you the other night.  I was thinking about your Iraq journal while loading the dishwasher!  That was so random and even said it out loud!
   
  Thanks!
  Daily

• silver_phoenix said on Sep 01, 2008....

  seems too soon to tell who will win. I'm still thinking they'll tie.

• SeanRenaud said on Sep 01, 2008....

  I'm glad it helped Daily.  Is there anything else you need explained about it?  The Wiki page really doesn't do a good job of explaining it if you don't already understand the basics.  I do understand the basics and and that page is still kinda convoluted.  Still if you need me to explain it in a little more depth I can.  Like I said I tried to cut out anything that wasn't completely necessary.
   
  Again, you're not an idiot.  There is a difference between never havid had something properly explaine to you and being an idiot.  I can't crochet, I'm sure if somebody sat down and explained it to me I could manage though.
   
  You are aware that they can't tie right Phoenix? (well I suppose they kinda could but has never and will never happen)

• dailyachesandpains said on Sep 01, 2008....

  Awe...Sean, thank you so much!  You put it just like I needed it!
  I still can't believe that teacher is still teaching.  The guy is smart enough to still win when he's brought in front of the school committee!  I've been out of that school for 15 years!  They say the guy will never retire just to always "win" and continue ruining us.  I was in advanced classes and they wouldn't let me drop into the lower classes in order to get a different teacher!!!
   
  Thank you so much, again!
   
  No...I know they can't TIE, they can just sit and count hanging chads!  :-)
   
  Daily

• D6fer said on Sep 01, 2008....

  daily.....I was refering to the children of cops or preachers.....it seems they were always in trouble.

• silver_phoenix said on Sep 01, 2008....

  http://www.270towin.com/blog/electoral-college/what-happens-if-there-is-a-tie-in-the-electoral-college seems like a tie could happen, although it may not be likely.

• SeanRenaud said on Sep 01, 2008....

  Again your welcome Daily.  Never be afraid to admit you don't know something or ask for an explanation on things you don't understand.  IF it's something that I can explain I will, if not I'll see if I can direct you to someone who can .
   
  D6 I highly suspect 2 (conflicting) theories on cops and preachers and their children.  The first is that it is a highly exaggerated that they are always in trouble and probably are in trouble no more often than anybody else it's just that you expect them to be perfect and so everytime it happens we hear about it on the news.  Just like there are thousands of women who shouldn't be parents but we hear more about Britney Spears in six months than pretty much all other bad motehrs combined (save the murderers)
   
  The other is that Preachers and cops probably make really strict parents and the children rebell against them so when they get out of control it's probably worse.  I admit I only knew one of each.  (One preachers daughter and one cops's son.)  The daughter was pretty well behaved exactly what her dad wanted.  The boy was a drug dealer.

• dailyachesandpains said on Sep 01, 2008....

  D6:  I see, sorry about that.  DUH! on my part. 
  I knew a few kids I went to school with that were children of policemen.  They weren't much different from the rest of us.  One of the girls I was friends with, we couldn't call her during the day.  Her dad was on the night shift, and that's why.  I know of no preachers or preachers children around where I grew up.  I actually didn't know anyone that wasn't Catholic.  I just realized that as I was typing this. 
   
  Sean:  I think I might love you!  LOL!
   
  Daily

• dailyachesandpains said on Sep 01, 2008....

  Hey guys:  Just an off topic kind of thing that some of you into politics may know.  D6, sorry if I'm out of line here and feel free to tell me if I am. 
   
  When my Grandmother passed away, she had a picture of John and Jackie Kennedy in a frame.  Black and white, not an actual photo, but reproduced.  Inside that frame, she had kept an invitation to the Inagural Ball for JFK that was sent to her with a stamp on it and everything.  Is that much of anything?  I'd never sell it, but I was just curious if it's junk or something I should take out insurance on or put in a safety deposit box.  She did leave it to me...but she also wore costume jewelry. 
   
  Thanks,
  Daily
   

• D6fer said on Sep 01, 2008....

  daily.....I would display it somehow....that's pretty cool......my grandpa had a land deed signed by president McKinley.

• D6fer said on Sep 01, 2008....

  HH.....this gal had a baby and was back to work as Governor in 3 days! .....I am pretty sure that as VP you could get just about as much help as you would possibly need with anything that would arise.....why would it be so different for a woman?....Kind of a sexist point of view you have there wouldn't you say?
  Funny how womens libbers are so selective about such things!
  

• dailyachesandpains said on Sep 01, 2008....

  D6:  I have it up as it was given to me, the same way she had it up.  It's in my bedroom in what would have been the same spot of her bedroom.  I just wonder if I should have it covered under home-owners insurance.  I just wonder if it's real.  My Grandfather was a stamp collector and he would get stamps from around the world.  HOWEVER, my Grandfather wrote to JFK when my Dad was in the Navy and had a hernieah (SP?) and they tried to say it was pre-existing and wouldn't operate or something like that.  Kennedy did communicate with my Grandfather and got it so that my father could have his operation and stay in the Navy. 
   
  Preety cool about McKinley!  Did he own the land after McKinley or just buy a land deed at an auction or something?
   
  I can't believe that she went back to work in 3 days!  OMG!  I was still trying to walk three days later!  I guess it shows she's a STRONG woman (literally)!
   
  Sorry D6, my warning to all when I'm medicated and typing...I'm medicated and typing lol!  Pardon any confusion I may have caused or when I've gone on for too long please :-)
   
  Thank you!
  Daily

• SeanRenaud said on Sep 01, 2008....

  Don't get me wrong D6 I think that this attack aginst Palin is pretty weak but it's not sexist to think that a woman should  be with her newborn.  Or if it is so what?  Women aren't men and men aren't women no matter how much certain people may pretend otherwise.
   
   

• D6fer said on Sep 01, 2008....

  Daily.....you probably could get it authenticated....it may be worth something....but who knows how much?....depends on how many of them are still in existence....i doubt too many of them got tossed in the trash!.....but I think it would be worth looking into.
  I think that McKinley signed a lot of those types of deeds....I believe it was for land out west here when it was unsettled.
  Yeah Palin must be a tough chic!
  
  I agree with you there Sean.....women aren't as good as men....and men aren't as good as women!....we all have our strengths and weaknesses.....women shouldn't be firefighters in my opinion, but VP or Pres? sure...why not?

• kelly said on Sep 04, 2008....

  "I've already seen a lot of smears against Palin, and I think it's really sad."
  
  
  Come on, Tin.  This is politics.  Anybody expecting kid glove treatment is hallucinating.  Swift Boat-ing won't just be something Republicans can do, at least not if the Democrats have wised up a bit.

• D6fer said on Sep 04, 2008....

  This is going to be a tough row to hoe for them, I'm afraid Kelly.......This gal has got the democrats and the womens movement turned inside out.....they are having to take the stance that she should be a stay at home mom? please!....that goes against everything the womens movement has shoved down our throats for the last 30 some years.....yes sir.....them chickens are coming home to roost!

• TinSoldier said on Sep 04, 2008....

  I know, kelly. In my perfect world, instead of both sides deciding that swift boating was an acceptable tactic neither side would.
  
  
  But people have accused me of wearing rose-colored glasses, and I admit to it, even when I really do know better.
  
  
  A person can hope, though.

• Scaramouche said on Sep 05, 2008....

  The reason she should think twice about the office to which she aspires has only to do with the fact that she's made her choice already by cranking out the crotchfruit.  Particularly the "special needs" one.  If she was really thinking about what's best for her kids, she'd be home with them.  If she wanted a political career, perhaps she should have considered using birth control so she could focus instead on the business of government.  But then, condoms make the baby jesus cry.

• silverwhisper said on Sep 07, 2008....

  d6 quoth:
  fact of the matter is...most of americans are basically conservative.

  
  i call bullshit on this one.
  
  i think that's more a function of the people with whom you hang out than any actual representation of all americans, d6.
  
  ed

• TinSoldier said on Sep 07, 2008....

  Actually I think that this used to be true. It's been shifting for quite awhile now.

• theavenger said on Sep 07, 2008....

  McCain will win.

• husbandhater said on Sep 10, 2008....

  D if she is claiming Soccer Mom status then she is saying that she rears her own children. And by running she is saying without words that the husband(Who just quit his job with Big Oil) is going to be switching roles. It is not about being selective. As I told you before her family is not the usual nuclear family. Her family comes with unique challenges that add as Distraction to her working. Andora Woman and others are telling you and others from experience that with or without help it is hard.

  Listen as we tell you nannies or no nannies this is not ideal for our current world situation. Her oldest son is in Iraq. Suppose Binny and his Alqueda boys decide to make him a target and in some way shape or form was able to get a hold of him or McCain's son? Lets just use her son. Tell me as a mother she's going to tell them that our country doesn't deal with terrorists? Tell me that she'd be able to turn her back on her son(In light of our policies)? I think McCain would do it before she would.

  Personally she is more conservative than him in her views which boarders upon scary. I don't think that everyone is meant to be a parent. And I don't think that if you are raped weither it be stranger or relative that you should have to carry the child if you don't want to. It may lead to a mental breakdown. This woman thinks that you should. Could you honestly see her picking a supreme court judge in the next couple of years? I can,one who will help to over turn Roe vs Wade then where will that leave our elustrious "ENLIGHTENED" society?

  Can she do it? In a couple of years just not now. We need a man for the job as we  are dealing with those that have little to no respect for women. In some way shape or form she will have to deal with these people. And them snickering or disrespecting her just isn't up to game plan. I always say that this is a ploy and as soon as McCain gets elected she will suddenly want or need time with the children and his real pick will step into view. Then we will really see our rights trampled on. 

• D6fer said on Sep 10, 2008....

  it is commonly assumed that rape victims who become pregnant would naturally want abortions. But in the only major study of pregnant rape victims ever done, Dr. Sandra Mahkorn found that 75 to 85 percent chose against abortion.1 This evidence alone should cause people to pause and reflect on the presumption that abortion is wanted or even best for sexual assault victims. 

  Several reasons are given for not aborting. First, approximately 70 percent of all women believe abortion is immoral, even though many also feel it should be a legal choice for others. Approximately the same percentage of pregnant rape victims believe abortion would be just another act of violence perpetrated against their bodies and their children. Source

• D6fer said on Sep 10, 2008....

  do you actually think that Obama is a man that the terrorists will respect? I think they know what a weak leader he will be.....why else would they voice their support for his election? Do you think they actually are looking for peace? If you do, then you are as naive as the weakling spanish populace that threw out their government, for one like you are voting for, and then were rewarded with even more terrorist activity.

• D6fer said on Sep 10, 2008....

  Todd Palin was a production supervisor for BP.......wow! that sounds sooooo evil........they should make him go hunting with Dick Cheney!
  Give me a break!  Do you know how many people would love to have a good job like that? Do you think we should close down those few oil company sites that are actually producing energy domestically? Lay off all those workers? Is that an Obama economic policy?
  

• silverwhisper said on Sep 11, 2008....

  TS: it's constantly shifting, dude. ever has it been thus & ever shall it be.
  
  ed

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