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se·ren·i·ty (sə-rĕnʹĭ-tē) noun
The state or quality of being serene; tranquility

 

On Sunday’s I go to church and try to carry with me the lessons learned, and serenity acquired throughout the week.  It seems inevitable that not long after the service is over and I see many friends I haven’t seen all week my sense of calm and tranquility vanish as if it were only a dream.  The transformation from calm to chaos is usually facilitated by trying to catch a cab in Lower Manhattan to get home.  Doing battle with tourist and residents of the area for the two or three lone cabs that may come down lower Broadway or go up Greenwich Street every 15-20 minutes or so.  It’s a far cry from what it used to be in Lower Manhattan when my grandmother started taking me to church in the 60s. 

 

Life was a lot different for me as a child as I’m sure it was for you too.  Grown-ups worried about cabs and train schedules you as a child were just along fro the ride.  This is not to say I had no interest in church as a child; it was and is the foundation for the theological study that I engage in to this very day.  Yes, Like many of you Sunday school was the beginning of my understanding of God in Christ, and what that meant.  Episcopal children are taught the same lessons as other Christian faiths, but we’re also taught to think for ourselves; to decide if we want to believe, or if we want / need to find another path to understanding what it is God wants for us or means to us. 

 

Now, my grandmother “The Iron Episcopalian” had the ability to make you believe that Christ was coming any moment now, usually through some form coercion that I’m sure she learned from the grand inquisitor Tomas De Torquemada himself.  It was not the best way to raise a God fearing Christian, but a great way to raise a grandmother fearing child.  It took me a long time to realize what it was my grandmother was tying to instill in me.  For the longest our relationship was adversarial to put it mildly.  Eventually, though, I came to understand what it was she was trying to instill in me: respect for others and respect for myself.  It took me a long time to figure that out, but she would be happy to know that I finally did, and that all the hard lessons that she tried to teach a head strong boy weren’t for naught. 

 

When I watch children on the Bus, which is one of the reasons I take cabs during school hours, I marvel at the lack of self-control displayed by them.  Sometimes even those with their parents present seem to have little fear of being reigned in.  In those moments I can’t help but smile and think Rosebud, my grandmother, would have fixed that attitude quick, fast, and in a hurry; you would have feared God and more importantly her.  Enough of that, though, I digress.

 

When I was a boy back there in the 70s, a priest, Fr. Bert Herlong, made a statement that I carry with me to this day.  He said, “We don’t have all the answers.”  I don’t remember what came before that statement or after it, but I do remember those words as clear as a bell.  that one statement more than any other is what started me on my quest for God, and the true meaning of what is written in the Bible.  It started me on my search for honesty, compassion, understanding and love for God as I see God, not necessarily as you see God.  There is so much left to understand and I learn more everyday; about God, about the scriptures. 

 

When I look at the state of things in various religions around the globe I am sometimes disheartened.  I think to myself, I wonder if we will ever pull it together as the one single race that we are: human.  Sometimes I think that everyone who practices whatever religion could have used a Fr. Bert Herlong when they were young to inspire them to look beyond that, which is written to that which, I believe, was intended: love of God, love of self, and love of neighbor.  I’ve reached the conclusion, for now, that that’s all there is to the situation.  God is mysterious.  God’s intentions for us are not.  Go forth in Peace Rejoicing in the Power of the Sprit (If you’re not Episcopal, the response to that is, ” Thanks be to God”).  

 

Love Worf     

 

                 



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  • uniquely-ironic said on Aug 26, 2008....
    Nice blog.  I too was raised in a church environment but went to church on Saturdays. (not jewish)  My own grandmother - Oma - must have been the missing twin to yours in that she was a force of nature and she took her religion very seriously.  I'm happy now that I had such a deep immersion into christianity, but over the years have become less of a literal thinker, more of a philosophical thinker and it's my belief that all religions contain a piece of a greater puzzle.
  • LtCmdrWorf1 said on Aug 26, 2008....
    Hey Unique,

    Sounds like seventh Day Adventist church to me.  I don't know your culture and I will not hazard a guess, but in community (Williamsburg Brooklyn) the Latino / Latina influence is huge.  Many of the churches in this neighborhood are Pentecostal or Seventh Day Adventist, not to mention Roman Catholic.  Brooklyn is a borough of churches of every size description and denomination.  On Saturdays I sometimes sit and watch the  Hasidics  go to temple, or I can sit on my porch and listen to the music from the Seventh Day Adventist, and on Sundays the Pentecostal churches across the street.  If I move futher up the block towards Geenpoint I can look at the magnificent domes of the Russian orthodox churches.

    My grandmother was very particular about who she would worship with.  That's how we ended up across the bridge at Trinity.  As I've undoubtedly said before, it's been a long strange trip to this point. 

    Finally, yes, I have found truth in all the religious practices of people that i'm acquainted with.  Most times that's after I take a pause to digest the doctrine or belief that's just been told to me.  As I process the information, though,  I find that we have more in common than we think.  Peace and Long Life

    Love Worf   
  • uniquely-ironic said on Aug 26, 2008....
    You nailed it.  I was raised Seventh Day Adventist.  From where I'm standing now (metaphorically speaking) it seems kind of cultish.  I know that I did benefit from both the theology and the health message of that group.  I received a very high quality education as well.  I think one of the reasons I wandered from that church was that it felt exclusive rather than inclusive.
     
    I too find that when you break it down, most religions have a base set of principals that are very similar.
  • LtCmdrWorf1 said on Aug 26, 2008....
    Hey Unique,

    I'm always glad to find another who feels that they have benefited from a religious upbringing even if they have strayed from their from that  religion.  I find that most people who have that type of upbringing have a strong foundation on, which, they can base the rest of their lives.  I find through my own experience that it also gives you an anchor or path back to your senses when  you lose sight of what's important.   That's my experience anyway.  Peace and Long Life

    Love Worf
  • StupidGenius said on Aug 26, 2008....
    Religion did not invent morales, morales were in existance before religion came along.
     
    SG
  • LtCmdrWorf1 said on Aug 26, 2008....
    Hey SG,

    OK, your point is?  Peace and Long LIfe

    Love Worf
  • StupidGenius said on Aug 26, 2008....
    My point is that regardless to your up bringing. You, your parents, their parents etc etc etc can at no point claim that they are good people because of the religion they follow.
     
    "I'm always glad to find another who feels that they have benefited from a religious upbringing even if they have strayed from their from that  religion.  I find that most people who have that type of upbringing have a strong foundation on, which, they can base the rest of their lives."
     
    Religion does not make you a better person or make you live a better life. Infact I would argue that it limits your life because religion is all about control thru fear. so actually has the reverse effect.
     
    SG
     
     
  • uniquely-ironic said on Aug 26, 2008....
    SG - I think your definition of religion is narrow.  Unless you're a very strict atheist I'd say that you do believe in a higher power of some sort.  That would be your religion, and most religions give structure and meaning to life.
     
    You sound bitter.
  • StupidGenius said on Aug 26, 2008....

    Oh dear. Im bitter. No matter what you say about me the fact remains that religion is a load of tosh. I dont believe in any higher power. I am an Atheist so that menas I have no belief in any supernatural being(s).

    There are not strict and not so strict Atheist. Its simple. You either believe or you dont.

    Explain Bitter?

    SG

  • uniquely-ironic said on Aug 26, 2008....
    SG - You sound angry that someone might believe in a higher power.  If you are so assured that none exist I'm not sure why someone else having a belief in a higher power seems so distasteful to you.  It's almost as if you have made the judgement that a person who believes in a higher power is a less intelligent person because of that belief.  That is sad.
  • StupidGenius said on Aug 26, 2008....
    Religion has been poisoning our schools, our governement and our way of life for many thousands of years. That gives me a very good reason to try and educate people. I dont feel the need to convert them. I just piss people off enough to try and prove me wrong. When you realise you cant then you will wonder why and maybe look at the subject a little closer. In effect I let people convert themselves by self education.
     
    SG
  • LtCmdrWorf1 said on Aug 26, 2008....
    SG,

    You know what my favorite pastime is? Irritating fundamentalist Christians to the point of having screaming hissy fits.  Also if you have read my posts, and something tells me you have not,  you would see that we are more or less in complete agreement.  Belief in God is a choice not a requirement for a good life.  When you work with drug addicts you see first hand what lack of an upbringing can do to a person.  you can believe or you can doubt it, but God love s you and there's nothing you can do about it.  That's the beauty of God's grace it shines on everybody good and bad.  Just like it rains on the Good and the bad alike.  Again, if you don't want to believe that;s fine, go your own way, nothing is going to strike you dead unless it's your time to die.   Peace and Long Life

    Love Worf 
  • StupidGenius said on Aug 27, 2008....

    When you say

    "you can believe or you can doubt it, but God love s you and there's nothing you can do about it."

    It is clear to me we do not think the same. From your comment ill assume that you feel god exists but does not get involved in our lives, in effect he just watches us.

    This puts you in a difficult position. I will describe briefly the religious catch 22 situations.

    1. You believe god does exist but doesn’t get involved in our lives = he created us, and sits back and watches us suffer and struggle on an imperfect planet liable to natural disaster and does nothing to help.

    2. You believe god exists and does actively get involved in our lives = He gets involved with some people some of the time in which case all the children currently dying everyday of cancer and aids he just "Forgot to help".

    Religion is a belief in god, the concept of god is historically and entity attributed to things that are hard to understand. Most people look at something complex, can’t explain it and then fill the void of understanding with a supernatural being. That is illogical.

    SG

  • LtCmdrWorf1 said on Aug 27, 2008....
    SG,

    You see this argument just goes in a circle.   Yes, God watches.  and yes, there is suffering in the world.  More often than not we bring that suffering on ourselves and then ask God to fix it for us.  Then we get mad when it's not done to our specifications.   When there is a cancer cluster due to dioxin how is that God's fault. I find that most of the tragedies that befall us are due to our own arrogance and greed.  Not because there is no God.  Peace and long Life

    Love Worf

       

  • StupidGenius said on Aug 27, 2008....

    Come on answer the quetion, If there is a god and he is all powerfull then explain why he allows newborn babies to die of cancer and aids. That can in no way be the childs fault. You cant defend the un-defendable. If god sits back and watches then he is cruel, if he gets involved he is cruel because he is very very choosy about who he saves. When an alchoholic or drug user stops taking drugs and thanks god dont you think it is arrogant beyond reason to claim that god helped them when he cou;ld have been saving children.

    SG

  • LtCmdrWorf1 said on Aug 27, 2008....
    SG,

    I can't I don't know the mind of God.  I just know that God is there with those who suffer.  Now, I'm sure the answer that you're looking for is that god doesn't care or that it proves that God doesn't exist.  Go back and read the comment that you and I have exchanged in the three posts we are writing to an you will see my answers.  That is why I say this argument is circular.  You want proof of God and easy answers I have none to offer you and neither does science, in which you place so much of your faith.  Peace and Long Life

    Love Worf       
  • StupidGenius said on Aug 27, 2008....

    Science rules out with evidence the need for a god. It rules out with evidence the requirement for a supernatural being to exist in order to explain everything. Science can explain everything up to the "Big Bang" (I use this phrase with contempt). God explains none of these things. The only thing science is unable to prove by fact or evidence is the milliseconds before the "Big Bang". Religion has all the explaining to do because it claims it is the truth. Science changes and re-analyses itself constantly while religion encourages the foundation for your belief to stagnate and remain the same.

    You say that you dont know the mind of god but he is there with those who suffer but if you dont know the mind of god then how on earth can you even say with any assurance that he even cares?

    I don’t mind going in circles. I love this subject.

    SG

  • LtCmdrWorf1 said on Aug 27, 2008....
    Hey SG,

    I don't claim it's all the truth I know better.  That's what I mean when I say God gave me a brain to think with and the ability to choose. 
    Without pain and suffering how would we know joy and happiness?  We wouldn't.  We would be another order of being.  Peace and Long Life.

    Love Worf
     Oh, and read my new post.  I'd like to read your views.
  • StupidGenius said on Aug 27, 2008....

    Tut Tut Tut

    "Without pain and suffering how would we know joy and happiness?" 

    You dont have to suffer in order to experiance happyness. You dont have to suffer before you find love, you dont have to suffer before enjoying a birthday gift from a loved one. You dont have to have felt pain before you marry.

    Pain and suffering breads a more mature personality. But Pain and Joy are not mutualy exclusive.

    I have replied to your post. I will not comment further on this one. Instead I will concentrate all efforts on the one you have just written. I urge others to follow the other post if interested in further comments of mine.

    SG

     

  • RollingC said on Aug 27, 2008....
    I'm sorry to say that I haven't read your posts Worf...but I'll be sure to remedy that by and by.  :^)
    Rc
  • LtCmdrWorf1 said on Aug 27, 2008....
    SG,

    Yes you do and if you can't see that we have nothing further to discuss.  How can you know joy without sorrow?  You can't.  One balances the other without balance the existence as we know it would not be and we would not be human.  We would have another existence and be another order of being.  Peace and Long Life

    Love Worf 


  • StupidGenius said on Aug 27, 2008....
    I have given you examples where they are not mutualy exclusive. Are you saying that in order to know the joy and happiness of love I need to have been hurt, suffered pain or endured sorrow?
     
    SG
  • LtCmdrWorf1 said on Aug 27, 2008....
    SG,

    What I'm saying is if we did not know these things we would be a different order of being altogether and that they are not mutually exclusive is exactly my point!.  
    so I guess the answer to your question is Yes.  Peace and Long Life

    Love Worf
  • StupidGenius said on Aug 28, 2008....

    Nope sorry that doesn’t make any sense at all.

    I know you mean well worf, you are a nice guy. I like you. All I’m doing in any post where you come across my comments is make people realise how crazy it is to rationalise a completely irrational belief system. The religious use logic at many many points in their lives. "My tooth hurts, ill go to the dentist" or "I broke my leg ill go to the hospital"  But then they are quite happy to believe the totally un-logical, un-provable, non evidential and insincere. I understand the need to hope something else exists in the universe that is there for you when you die. The thought of a heaven offers comfort but just because it offers comfort does not make it true.

    Its nothing more than a safety blanket.

    SG

  • LtCmdrWorf1 said on Aug 28, 2008....
    "Nope sorry that doesn’t make any sense at all." I'm sure it doesn't to you.  Your thinking is myopic and I'm beginning to think your vision is too.  Peace and Long Life

    Love Worf   
  • StupidGenius said on Aug 28, 2008....

    So thats another question you have avoided then. Its ok, its your blog you have the right to avoid anything you like.

    SG

  • LtCmdrWorf1 said on Aug 28, 2008....
    Dude or Dudette,

    you keep asking the same questions. Also just because you don't believe it does not mean it isn't true either.  Do you believe the sun will come up tomorrow morning?  I do.. Do you believe that if step in front of a speeding train we'll be mopping you up for days? I do.  Do you believe that we should agree that we disagree? I do

    This morning I read some of your comments to my other posts and I must say you do have an Intellectual side that I didn't know existed.  So, I apologize for any derogatory comments I may have made about your ability to think independently of the group. 

    I'm beginning to understand your quest and while I don't and never will agree with your POV. I must say that I have a new respect for you. 

    I have to aks though, do we know each other?  Something you said in one of the comments stuck a chord with me.  I can't put my finger on it now, but someting in your toned down repose is irritatingly familiar.  Peace and Long Lfie

    Love Worf
     
  • StupidGenius said on Aug 28, 2008....

    Its dude thanks very much lol

    SG

  • silverwhisper said on Aug 29, 2008....
    worf: i like that quotation, "we don't have all the answers". that is exceedingly wise, actually, and perhaps as importantly, an admission of the limits of our knowledge or understanding is ultimately fundamental to learning or comprehending more, i've always felt.

    ed
  • LtCmdrWorf1 said on Aug 29, 2008....
    Hey Ed,

    yes, that's one that seems to have slipped by SG.  If he had see that we might possibly have avoided all that back and forth.  He is a scientific zealot who talks a lot about logic and reasonableness.  I find that when people try to base all they think they know on science and reason they miss part of the human picture.  Peace an Long Life

    Love Worf  . 
  • StupidGenius said on Aug 30, 2008....

    If you consider the universe as a whole then yes we don’t have all the answers but that is still not a good enough reason just to fill that knowledge gap with a supernatural being who fortunately happens to fit into all the unknowns of the universe. Science has proven that the earth and its working is proof that no intelligent design was needed or even evident. The only thing science cant prove is what happened in the one hundredths of a millisecond before the "Big Bang" so by the laws of probability it is like a 0.03% chance that there is a creator of the universe which is effectively zero.

    SG

  • Cartouche8 said on Sep 05, 2008....
    Worf to SG: "I'm sure it doesn't to you. Your thinking is myopic and I'm beginning to think your vision is too."

    I second the motion!
    C8
  • LtCmdrWorf1 said on Sep 06, 2008....
    Cartouche8,

    I've never spoken with you before, but I'm glad I'm not the only one who  can see that SG's vision is faulty.  Peace and Long Life

    Love Worf
  • StupidGenius said on Sep 07, 2008....

    My vision is faulty? Im not the one that sees a supernatural being floating around in the sky! You two should get married then you can share your delusion, have delusional children and go to an imaginary heaven when you die. It will be great. You have swallowed the drug of religion and now you are hooked. Next time you see a hurricane killing hundreds of people or you watch the T.V and see all the starving children in Africa why don’t you get on your god hotline and find out what the hell he is doing that makes him too busy to help.

    Maybe they just happen to clash with his beard combing days. Or maybe he just doesn’t exist? Ever thought of that?

    SG

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