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Yeppers, I was...shocked, disappointed, embarrassed, and unfortunately, it is added to the list of disappointing 'things-you-remember-milestones' in my life. If I am writing this fairy tale, why are there no happy endings after each chapter? I need to get back to the laws of attraction, but this story is about how I manifested a mess, somehow.....oh well.
 
Did I mention that I was taking my sweetest heart to college this weekend? She, the often center of my universe, my only child, my best and brightest star....apparently I had a vision of love for how this transition in our lives would transpire...afterall, she is my pride and joy, my soul sister, right?
 
So it shocked me a little that these past couple of weeks found me locking horns as they say with my girl. We could not quite agree on anything. I watched as she spun out a bit....hectic, disorganized a little bit. Always on the run, always out the door, this way and that.....
Needing to see all the people she ever met before to say goodbye.
Needing to purchase stuff for college....all of it, right now, like there was no Walmart where she was going. Meanwhile her dad and I are preppng our house to sell....paying a new tuition bill....trying to ceremoniously celebrate her achievement, her new chapters of life unfolding....the only one missing from the party was her. She had other things to do.
 
I know, I know, that might sound overly sensitive and I have acknowledged my blinders in this situation. Like she is leaving...what about me? What about my job as mom? What about my intensley close relationship with her...wasn't that something big enough to earn a few minutes of this precious time? (I am not whining...I'm just saying).
 
So I created special things...to do together...and she did attend just one...lunch with my mom and my niece, albeit not at a convenient time for her and she had places to go afterwards and she texted through the end of the meal to set it all up. I was not angry about this; frankly, I was numb. I was shocked. This was not unfolding the way I thought it coulda, shoulda, woulda...had she cooperated.
Ouch, was that mean?
 
I was angry with her for shutting us out of this time of her life. I nagged about it and she did that thing where she rolled her eyes so much that it seemed like a Linda Blair move. She was aloof. She was distracted and she was on her way. The night before we left, I finally had a good cry. It started in the shower where I could quietly let it all out. I was so....sad....to have this unfold this way. I felt my own hostile feeling about it emerging. Stop it, I warned myself...she is using a good defense mechanism....let it go. So I was a witness...but secretly, I was hostile too. This was pissing me off more than I cared to feel...or admit. My daughter was either a really big bitch...or she was really, really rude.
The other dorm mom, a family from our home high school....caught my eye a few times in the dorm as we decorated, etc. She was clearly surprised as this was not the girl she was accustomed to seeing either. (This mom has since called me and invited me to the shore...I think she felt badly that we were dismissed in such a way.) Before this, I would have never guessed that my own kid was or could be so disrespectful.
 
We had originally planned to be there for the weekend. We knew we had move in day and then we supposed that the following day would involve some fine tuning of whatever... where they may need to go to the stores, and then there was always the adventure of finding the mall...I could picture the small group of us running the errand, grabbing a bite and then us dropping them back on campus...and maybe ending the weekend with brunch or I don't know...some sweet goodbye, where joyfully we hold each other tight and say God bless you in all you do...and you know I am always here for you forever. Didn't happen. We were so pissed off at her attitude of entitlement and sarcastic dismissiveness that we cancelled our hotel and stayed long enough for me to show my husband around the campus (which is gorgeous).
 
She called the first morning after move in and said: 'when are you leaving? I have stuff to send home?' I texted back that we were on our way to campus and that we would pop in and grab the extra bins, boxes, etc. We went to her room where they were freshly out of the shower and their room, which looked amazing even after move in day, looked even better with their desks all organized and their clothes all hung up, etc.
 
I could have been Maintenance. "Here they are", she pointed to the bins on the floor. I smiled and hugged her, said no problem, have fun, love you and goodbye. She looked an extra second longer like as if I was gonna be crying....yeah right.
 
We enjoyed our private tour of the campus, my man and I. We had met at college so it was fun to stroll through it all remembering this and that. We really had fun, but there was no emotional send off, or drop off. There was no long squeeze like 'I'm letting go now, so...."
 
It sucked. I deserved so much more of an experience than that. I was not honored in any way. I was not soothed by this transition where the other half -of how I had planned it -would not let me be the mom anymore. I was pissed. But it is not about me, is it?
 
Yeah I was there, but boy, am I bitter. I could have phoned it in and saved myself a lot of misery. I cannot believe that this is how it is. What a shock to have seen this...I'm a hostile witness.
 
I'm home now and trying hard to keep from having this overwhelm me and the start of "my" new chapter in life....like Fergie sings...clarity, peace, serenity.....won't you drop in and sit with me for a bit...I am licking my wounds and I probably shouldn't be alone right now.
 
thanking you......mamie
 
 


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  • secretlife said on Aug 24, 2008....
    i  don't think this will make you feel any better, but that's my intent-
     
    my oldest is moving in next weekend-  and we've been locking horns ALL SUMMER....i mean from the graduation party, to the car wreck the day after, to all of the time she's spent away this entire "last" summer-
     
    she left friday for a week in the mountains with a new crew  for marching band at the university.
     
    i've been begging her for months to "get organized"-  frankly, with all my other obligations, i haven't had the time to do it for her, and also, i thought it time she should do this for herself.  "make some lists", i've been telling her......i finally made a list, emailed it to her (yes, i'm reduced to emailing my own daughter living AT HOME) in order to get SOME response.  It seems i'm good at shopping for these items...she in turn left ME a to-do list while she's at camp!  talk about feeling "used".
     
    i want you to know she did not even PHONE me friday night to say she arrived safely.  I called 3 times Saturday morning before she called Saturday afternoon for a 2 mn conversation. 
     
    I'm hurt.  I really am.
     
    And i feel cheated too.  Like what was all that stuff we shared over the past 18 years?  doesn't it count for ANYTHING?
     
    I can imagine move-in weekend going just like yours did, but of course I am holding out hope for better.  i can feel the disappointment coming, but am unable to actually get my arms around it.
     
    I had to force her to go visit my mother and sisters----  ahhhhhhhh i don't get this!
     
    damn, i wanted to be able to say this whole experience was better.  But i'm with you, mamie, IT SUCKS!!!!!!!!!
  • Me-Myself&I said on Aug 24, 2008....
    it sounds like your daughter is running away from feeling like a little schoolgirl. just maybe if she allowed to feel her fears and tears it would be too much and she'd back out or something....trying to act like a grown-up. give her time, when the going gets rough she will home phone with so much to tell you about. all of her actions tell me that this is her way of cutting the cord. (hug)
     
    it will be ok Mom. it will be hard for you, i know. my son is my only child too.
     
    take care ~see ya
  • Mamie said on Aug 24, 2008....
    uggggghhhhh! I am sorry that your experience is similar...I will buy you a double latte this fall and we can compare notes...until then...hang in there, I hope your drop off is wayyyy better than mine! xoxoxox M
  • Mamie said on Aug 24, 2008....
    thanks memy, we were typing at the same time...cutting the cord...um, yea, hand me that axe! I am sure I will get over it, but I am so pissed...it reminds me of other milestone times that left me cheated as well...maybe I have issues! :))
  • MissMimi said on Aug 24, 2008....

    Being me, I always have a fairytale image in my mind of how things should go and how people should behave.  Sadly, I am almost always disappointed.  So, Mamiebaby, I sure have been where you are.

    It took me a long time to come to terms with being left behind.  I wanted to be the center of my daughter's world, like I was when she was a child.

    I'm so sorry your daughter didn't see how her behavior hurt and disappointed you.  {{{{{hugs}}}}}

  • Mamie said on Aug 24, 2008....
    thanks girlfriend....I am out the door....talk to you later on today. M
  • kruuyai said on Aug 24, 2008....
    Mamie:  I would imagine that your daughter is oblivious to your feelings about all this.  She's caught up in the excitement of growing up and being on her own.  She's starting her life.  It's a major transition, but she's still a teenager, and as such, she undoubtedly has not considered that this is a major transition for you, too.  A nice heart-to-heart sometime before it all came down might have helped... might not have.  Maybe after the dust settles, you can send her a letter telling her how much she's meant to you and letting her know how you're feeling.  Not to make her feel guilty or anything (I know that's not your motive), just to let her know that her leaving is not just "nothing" to you.  She'll appreciate that eventually.  A letter might be a nice way to do it, because she won't be caught off guard, having to think of something to say in response on the spot.  In fact, it might be years before she acknowledges it, but I'm sure it will make an impression.
  • sweetsoul said on Aug 24, 2008....
    Mamie
     
    I'm sorry you're hurt and wondering, who this young woman is. I truly am...but I'll be honest, I read your post from a different perspective. Since I don't post often, let me just add that I have 2 grown sons that went off to university more than a few years ago.
     
    I can't help but think your experience was a bit of a self fullfilling prophecy. Maybe your daughter didn't prepare you for this but both my sons made it very clear to me, during their high school years, that I wasn't the most important person in their life any more and that they were doing what they were supposed to do....separating themselves from me and working on becoming adult young men.
     
    Going to university was a huge step in that direction. As you say, it was an exciting, yet slightly terrifying, time for them. A new beginning. A time for them to think about themselves and use/develop their coping skills to face this wonderful challenge/opportunity.
     
    I didn't expect them to be thinking about me...making the transition easier for me. It was my job to make the transition easier for them. I'm the Mom...they were the child. Was it an adjustment for me? Sure was! Huge. But I've always known that as a parent, my job was to spend 20 some odd years of my life, making it so my child didn't need me. Hopefully they'd still want me in their life...but my job was to make myself unneeded.
     
    I expected my sons to be excited about going to university. That the experience would be to help move them into their dorm, then give them a hug good bye...making sure I held back my tears, so as not to embarass them...and be happy that they didn't miss me as much as I missed them. Meant I did a good job.
     
    After my elder son went off to university, I noticed my  younger son...who usually spent as much time as possible with his friends...was spending more time at home...silently watching out for me. I told him that I appreciated his effort, but that I would be fine and that he should do what he normally did and be with his friends. I loved that he cared enough to do that but I was the Mom after all...he was the child. Life went on. I adjusted...and so did my sons.
     
    So I guess what I'm trying to say, im my rambling way, is that while I appreciate that children leaving home is an adjustment for both the parent and child...that perhaps your romantic notion of how this would go would help you adjust to your daughter moving on...but I fully understand that she's not thinking about you...she's thinking about herself and what a wonderful journey she's starting on...and how she's going to copeand that's what she should be doing.  Think about it from the perspective that the fact that she doesn't 'need' you means you've done a great job. You've prepared her for a world without you and she's succeeding. Give her time. She'll find her balance and you'll come back into her life in importance. But it's because she wants you there...not because she needs you there.
     
     
    *Hope this doesn't sound harsh. I don't mean it to. Just wanted to add another prespective.*
     
  • Twylarants said on Aug 24, 2008....
    Hi Mamie!
     I think she just got a little carried away trying to make it all seem like it's not such a big deal, not the end of her childhood. If she allowed herself and you to become too emotional, then it really is the end, and she's out there all alone...a grownup!
    Didn't it feel as though she was 2 years old again? Remember how defiant, yet clingy she was at that age?  I remember that time.
    " I can do everything myself, I don't need you, Mom, I'm a big kid now.
    But, don't take away my blanky, don't make me sleep in the big kid bed, and do not even THINK about putting my butt on that toilet!"

    How about the first day of kindergarten? You're their only hope, the only one who loves them enough to save them from the big, bad, mean teacher lady.
    A week later teacher lady is one miracle away from canonization and so much prettier than you. It's just another stage.

    You'll be her hero again really soon, Mamie.
  • evil_twin said on Aug 24, 2008....
    I'm sorry you're feeling sad and disappointed about your daughters attitude :-( I think I'd feel the same way if I was you. But I remember back to how I felt the first time I left home. I was really super eager to have my freedom and prove I was an adult who could live on my own. No more Mom looking over my shoulder and asking me where I was going and when I'd be home. I was dying to leave and explore my independence.

    But not because I didn't love my mom and wanted nothing to do with her. We were always very close too. But at that age, it's just an exciting transition and you actually want to leave your childhood behind. And unfortunately Mom is a part of that childhood.

    However, after distancing myself from both my parents for a few months, and enjoying my new found freedom, I eventually settled down and realized I missed them. Being an adult on your own isn't always that much fun. And after being able to come and go at all hours of the day and night, with no one caring where you were or when you'd come back, you start to miss someone actually caring about that!

    So I just say give it a little time and I think it'll all be different soon. She still loves you and wants you in her life. She's just very wrapped up in her freedom right now and isn't thinking about how you feel. But just let her know you love her and will be there for her, and eventually things will smooth out again :-)

    -evil_twin LA
  • CreativeWoman said on Aug 24, 2008....
    I'm sorry this didn't turn out to be like you hoped.  It's a shame your daughter wasn't more respectful.  I know that will sting for a long time.

    I remember when I went away from home for the first time, that my mom and I sat and got all choked up over pizza. 

    There's probably not much I can say to make you feel better, but I'll say a little prayer for you.and I'll think of you as I sing those words along with Fergie.

    CW
  • destinydiva said on Aug 24, 2008....
    aww mamie ((((((((((((((((((((((hugs)))))))))))))))))))))))
    I agree completely with kyle,  I was thinking the same thing after I finished reading your post, in a few months time once she has had a taste of freedom, things will be right ..I'm certain :-)

    she is at a very selfish age, and after reading secrets and the other comments,(and of course being at that selfish age myself one time)  :-) .. it seems to be the 'norm'    dont take her beaviour too personally.

    the two of you view this time totally differently..  your letting go... and its sad..   your daughter is breaking free...  and is excited and raring to go... she'll always need her mom..just in different ways than she has needed you so far...  

    I can only imagine how hard it is for you mamie, but were all here to help you through it :-) xx

    ps...you can now look forward to her soon appreciating you more than ever!!  (when she has to do her own budgeting/cooking/laundry ect.. ) :-) xx




  • Mamie said on Aug 24, 2008....

    hey Des: thanks...I have read these comments and really thought about it. I do recognize that this is a temporary thing...feelings...that will settle down here as well as settle down for her. Thanks for dropping by, this is soooo helping me cope!

    CW: thanks, it does help. I guess I was feeling so alone, so freaking alone...now that the afternoon has passed and my husband has shared his tears too (aw, he is a sweetie)..I am beginning to "be a big girl now" too....clarity! Peace! Serenity! I DO know that her actions were not AGAINST me...i just got confused by my own emotions.

    Hey Kyle, thankyou! You are so right and I think she is doing what is normal and she is excited as hell. I think that is exactly what I would want for her to be feeling, now that I look at it that way.

    Twyla!! Thank you so much for making me laugh!! I swear, her kindergarten teacher was just as you said AND had a big yellow chair for her to sit on too! I was zilch, nada, nobody compared to that teacher...and I do remember I cried then as well. A priest was in the parking lot of the school saying good morning to all the parents and I am pretty sure he thought I was a lunatic. He could not console me...Thanks for having me remember that transition, this is so similar of a feeling.

    Sweetsoul: I thank you for pulling my hair just a bit so that I could remember with perspective just what is going on in my heart. I hear you loud and clear and you are right on target: blessings to you!

    Hiya Kruu: ya know, I like your idea of writing a letter to her, (I will likely write many) but more so: I agree that from her perspective, she is a tad oblivious to how I felt this weekend...it just was too exciting to hit her radar. Thank you for pointing that out to me. I was very focused on how she was hurting me to remember what it must seem like for her: woot! Freedom! She is ready....so I should be and am proud of her.

    Mimi: yea, left behind...that is where my heart went...ugh. I am climbing out of that now and have set my sights on how happy I am for her...and how happy I am for my husband and I...we get a new day-to-day life and have had some very tender moments celebrating our being parents together...we are now making some plans to celebrate our anniversary, etc. that will be fun too! Nobody is left out, or behind, it is just different now! phew! I 'can go' when I start crying...hic* but I am getting better even as soon as ...this minute! thanks for being here!

    MeMy: you are right that if we did it the emotional route, we'd all still be boohooing on campus and she would have missed a frat party. This way did work although it felt like my finger nails were ripped offa my body! Thanks girl!!

    Secret: hey Lady...one more thought for you since we are in the same process. Just go with the flow...seems our daughters are approaching this the same way...have no expectation for how it will be and then perhaps it will be a fine and happy time for you. I sincerely hope so. I will still buy you a latte!

     

  • PAPERBACKWRITER said on Aug 24, 2008....

    Dearest Mamie,

    (((((((((((((((((((((huggies)))))))))))))))))

    I have read your words 13 minutes after you posted it but I could not find what I feel were appropriate words myself.

    I am so glad that other SCers  have left you with wise, warm words, which I hope will comfort you.

    You see, I like destiny have been in both side too in somewhat the same situation...the daughter and the mother ...

    I could only echo the words of dearest Kruu  & Twyla, that she was not completely aware of how she was hurting you by her actions.  I admire how you kept your emotions intact (?) (sorry my German  is momentarily getting in the way of my English! ). 

    A letter/e-mail communicating how you felt (as SL/Kruu suggested as well) I think would alleviate the hurt emotion you have at the moment :( .  She might not also react as you would like but at least she is aware of how you feel, and in time she would be able to respond to it.

    I feel awkward commenting :S because I feel you  have accumulated more life wisdom, and I´m still learning (most of the time re-learning what I thought, I already have learned!). 

    I only felt/feel strongly about what you shared because I have been in both side of the situation.

    I am sorry it did not turn out the way you wished it to be but I´m glad for your daughter you were there for her (she won´t forget that... specially in times when she needs to count her blessings!).

    I hope you will be able to communicate your feelings to her (as I am sure you will because I have read in many blogs of yours how proud you are of her & how you feel blessed to have such wonderful daughter :) ) soon and not let it affect your communication.

    Lotsa love,

    paper ~




  • PAPERBACKWRITER said on Aug 24, 2008....
    p.s.

    late again! LOL

    I think we were commenting the same time :)

    glad you are feeling better now (?!) dear Mamie <3333333


  • nytquill17 said on Aug 24, 2008....
    I'm sorry it didn't happen like you hoped.

    I wonder if your daughter was maybe feeling the pressure.  If you had talked about, or maybe she sensed, what a big deal this was for you, and what a fairytale sendoff you had in mind.  Suddenly this big step in her life had become a performance she had to put on for her mom, too.

    I have never been a mom, but I was in your daughter's shoes not that long ago.  When it was my turn to go to college, I remember feeling that my parents stopped talking TO me and started talking over my head about me, about their own college days.  I was so frustrated with them for losing ME in the sauce of the whole experience.

    For us, it was a pot roast.  One day before I left for college, my mom got it in her head to teach me how to make pot roast.  I could tell that it was her way of trying to send me off in the world with a last bit of mothering, but honestly I could've cared less about the darned pot roast!  I know I was a little rude to her, and I know I hurt her feelings.  But she WOULD NOT let that pot roast go.  She couldn't let go of her vision of an idyllic afternoon between mother and child.  She was making it all about her.

    And sure, as a mom, she deserved a moment or two that was about her achievement in getting me this far.   But sending a kid to college only feels like it's about the parents, TO the parents.  If my mom had said anything to me about what SHE deserved at that moment, I would've been royally PO'd.

    So here's your daughter.  She's stressed, and probably a little scared.  This is her big moment, her time to shine.  She's getting out on her own.  She feels like she has a million things to take care of (of course she's at the age where it's a little hard for her to see what OTHER people are taking care of for her, but let's leave that to the side for a second).  There are things to buy, things to pack, papers to fill out, deadlines to keep track of.  Any one thing she forgets or loses track of could be a HUGE problem and for the first time in her life she will be wholly responsible for it all.  Plus she's probably feeling a whole mishmash of things about leaving her childhood, her parents, and her home behind.  That's enough to make anybody testy, not quite themselves.

    Then along comes mom, with all these *ideas* about what's going to happen in the next few days.  There you are, trying to craft a memorable milestone experience for you both.  But all she sees is that you are adding things to her schedule.  Now she has to show up for a lunch date, dress up for an evening out...she's not seeing these beautiful moments you're trying to make.  To her it's just more pressure and hoops to jump through.  And on top of that she can tell by the big deal you're making that you are feeling sentimental and emotional about all of this.  So she knows if she breaks down now, so will you.  And when you're a kid, even a big kid, there is nothing more distressing than seeing your mom distressed.  Being brusque and distant with you was probably a coping mechanism.

    Anyway, I guess my point is...you're both right.  You are perfectly justified in feeling angry, hurt, let down, brushed off.  Because she was rude and childish with you and it wasn't like her.  You're feeling the pain of that separation, made even more evident by her becoming someone you don't even recognize.  From your perspective, this was supposed to be a big moment for you, and you were robbed.  But from another point of view, this was not about you at all.  Your daughter's recent behavior is also reasonable or at least understandable too.  Unfortunately she is too young and too IN the moment to see your side of things.

    And also unfortunately, your having been so close is making this even harder.  For you it's even more painful, because you have more to lose than if she had been the classic rebellious teenager.  For her, she's going to pull even harder away from you precisely because she was never rebellious - now being a her own person is going to mean even more to her than it would to a kid who already had a sense of independence and distance from her parents.  The good news is that over the next couple of years she will come to understand you and your love SO much more as she grows into a young woman and is able to reflect on her childhood and your mothering from a more stable, adult perspective.

    Ask me how I know about that last paragraph ;)
  • nytquill17 said on Aug 24, 2008....
    Holy crap my comment is longer than your original post I think!  Sorry about that *blush*  I started typing and it just kept coming!
  • Mamie said on Aug 24, 2008....
    hey Paper! You are not late and you are most welcome with your words of kindness. I *am by no means* wise, so yes, I have read with great interest and an open heart the advice offered here by you and other sc'ers...thank you Dear one! I am realizing more and more that I must just let the negative feelings go and focus on the magical chaos that it was...an exciting time of a brand new chapter in her life. Yes it is made all the more *important* to me for two reasons...which I must admit strongly skew my reaction...MY mom could not be with me when I left for college b/c my aunt died suddenly. I suppose for 18 years now I have been planning this close, heart-strings tied send off. secondly, she is my only child, thusly, she gets the full monty of my mommy-ness!
     
    Nyt: well, what are you gonna do with the likes of me:))) I have been so blessed with your wisdom this year and I have ALWAYS been a benefactor of your kindness. Thanks for your long comment, it was as if you are sitting in my living room. AND: It is as if you were spying on us.You describe exactly what has gone down here...
     I AGREE that she must have felt an enormous pressure to be, do and have all things right and in order....not to mention to  keep it all in emotional check. I musta drove her insane with my *plans*....um, I'm a planner?
     
    You're feeling the pain of that separation, made even more evident by her becoming someone you don't even recognize. 
     
    You are so right about that...it scared the shit out of me. I even said that out loud. But I see that my fear helped escalate my feelings...which is the explanation for what *I manifested...I knew I was part of the problem, but you have helped me figure this out. *sigh, I feel so much better this evening...thanks....I bet you make a mean pot roast! thank you friend!!
  • Jenna said on Aug 24, 2008....
    Mams.....ya gotta go with it.  Let it roll off your shoulders and not take it personally.  

    I am getting ready to send my light of my life off for her second year.  We have made a lot of plans and they have been cancelled by her because she had to see this friend and that one.  But it is funny.....I completely let it roll off my shoulders.  We had our moments.  Ones I will treasure.  

    The girls are just trying to grow up and they are not quite sure how to do it.  So we just have to let them do it and hope in the end all turns out ok.  And it will.  We gave them a strong foundation....now we have to let them build on it.  We may not like the way they are building but we have to let them go. 

    You are right...this is not about you...it is completely about her.  So you are going to have to swallow all of the disappointment and cheer her on as you have always done. 

    She will come home...more mature.  And she will someday get it. (We did, didn't we?)  We just can't force the getting it thing.  

    All will be ok!  I promise.

    Hugs and kisses!
    jen
  • Mamie said on Aug 24, 2008....
    thanks J! You are right and I am proud that she has a strong foundation. I will roll with it, just like you say...I imagine we might commiserate over some chardonnay? That would make me feel much better too! See ya soon!! Tell your lovely I said to have a good semester and to keep in touch with her mother! xo, M
  • nytquill17 said on Aug 24, 2008....
    You know what, Mamie...I do actually make a pretty good pot roast.  And would you believe, I do it using all the tips that my mom tried to show me and I was in no mood to listen to.  I was listening after all.  I mean, sheesh, she's my MOM!  I love her even when I can't stand her, you know?

    And now, years later, I have this little ring box that she bought me one day as a surprise.  We were out shopping one day in a little knick-knack shop, and out of the corner of my eye I saw her sneaking off to the register without me.  Turns out she saw this ring box, thought it looked "just like me" and decided to buy it for me without my knowing.  And you know what?  Every night I take off my wedding rings and put them in the very same box.  And every once in a while I look at the box and think how much I love and miss my mom, and how much more I appreciate her now that I'm a woman in my own right.

    So I think there's a little hope ;)
  • Mamie said on Aug 24, 2008....
    well Nyt, now you have me boohooing....what a special memory. thanks for sharing it with me. I have many more plans to be, do and have with my baby girl too. And I already know she adores me as her mom and that she knows fully that we both love her deeply and that we believe in her and the woman she has chosen to be...
    that's cool that you make a fab pot roast, huh? In that category....um, my daughter can make a mean...peanut butter and jelly sandwich!
    Have a great night and thanks again (ballet curtsie) I am tired, happy and letting go as all my friends here have advised...as the saying goes:
    here's to strong woman...may we know them, may we be them and may we raise them.
    xoxoox mamie
  • Twylarants said on Aug 24, 2008....
    Whew, there are some pretty smart folks around here!  I hope you're feeling better about all this now, Mamie.
    I'm so excited for Mamie Jr, with all she has to look forward to.
    Now I'm hungry for pot roast.


  • dailyachesandpains said on Aug 24, 2008....
    Mamie: 
    I am SO very, deeply sorry that this is how it went for you!  My Niece is moving next weekend too and I hate to say it, but she's acting the SAME way toward everyone in the family...EXCEPT Little D. who is 5 years old. 
     
    She turned 18 last week, we (sister (her mom) and I along with our Mom) had to plan 3 different parties because of our other sister's plans for her birthday was more important.  Tomorrow is our party for her, but she said she can "only stay for 30 minuts...or so"  Or so???  Just to totally PISS my mother off, she went and took the money my Mom gave her for her birtday and got a MASSIVE tatoo on the back of her neck and across her shoulders!  My Mother offered her MORE money to NOT do it, now, but NOPE!  She's only doing it because it's now "legal" for her to do.  She wouldn't go for the bribe.  My Mother wanted her to wait until at least her second year of college.  Anyway, I always give her a good chunk of cash for "special days" because my Sister (her mother) struggles as a single mom.  Guess what she's getting...a bed rest that she asked for a month ago and a $40 bus ticket to return from school to visit my Parent's!  My Dad's health hasn't been all that good the past few years and they used to be buds!  She looked at him like the Father that she could only wish she had in her life.  She hasn't spoken to him (just because) in almost a MONTH!
     
    I hated to have to be this way, but her attitude has been SO horrible to my Parent's who had paid for her private education all her life until now.    The education that was able to get her a free ride to Harvard, but she chose NOT to go because the kids are too "preppy" and not her "style" there...not thinking about her future resume and job offerings, obviously!  The school she chose, she had to take out a student loan and my Mother co-signed for her!!!!  She still shit all over my Parent's! 
     
    Her Mom said she's going to ask her how she's getting to school on move-in day...OH MAN!  She said that our other sister will be taking her "instead!"  Instead?  That other sister of ours is REALLY walking on thin ice with the entire family lately. 
     
    Sorry, I just vented in your space here.  I'm on my medication right now so I apologize if I over-stepped.  My point is...'they' all seem to be acting this way.  Self centered and unappreciative of anything everyone has ever done for them, bailed them out of, drove them to, changed their calendars for and more.  It doesn't exist and one day, they WILL notice!  At least I pray my Niece does. 
     
    {{{{HUGS}}}}
    Daily
  • Battycat said on Aug 24, 2008....
    Mamie - (((((((((((((hugs))))))))))))))))  I'm sure she's just excited and doesn't mean to be mean, it must be really hard for you.
  • RollingC said on Aug 24, 2008....
    It's the nature of the beast, to get so caught up in the new beginings that you ignore the old ways. 
    Kids have a way of hurting our feelings without even thinking about what they're doing.  They are so caught up in what's happening or going to happen that they shrug off everything else.  I'm not condoning that type of behavior but it happens.
    We had such a difference of opininon that it was like living with a stranger in the house. Locking horns so to speak on a daily basis, and just when you think she's finally seen the light and allow her to go out and party (telling her be careful, drink but do it moderately) you get called at 3am to be told to come pick up your passed out dead drunk teenager before they call the cops/911. 
    Kids in this day and age are fun aren't they ? They act like the world owes them a favor ! 
    I remember being a wild and crazy kid but always going out of my way not to embarrass my parents and I hate to think that it's just me.   My parents (father) were very strick in the rules and regulation dept. and kids being kids I tried every trick in the book to break them all....heh.... but I always looked out to not embarrass my parents.
    I'm sure that later as time goes by your daughter will realize what she did and change her behavior back to her sweet self again.
    Rc
  • queenparanoia said on Aug 24, 2008....

    mamie: i dont want to sugarcoat my words just to make you feel better... instead i'm gonna be frank because i like you so much and i think you should understand what's going on right now... youre daughter is growing up... moving on to the real world... getting her way out of the safe world you have created for her... it's the time of her life to know how the real world exist and frankly her way of dealing this is to become mean... i have experince that a few years ago and until now... well i'm still growing... my sister is acting like this way... (that's why it's driving me crazy)... so dont be harsh on yourself... i know you want to be the way it used be but i hope you understand that she is now dealing with something that only she could dealt with... and that's to grow up and face it all... just let her be mamie... let her experience this... after a few years just wait and see that she'll long for the days where you made her your "baby". i wish my mother would understand this concept... where i want to grow up...she keeps protecting us and not letting us go that sometimes i feel like i'm being held on a leash... so you see mamie your daughter is not doing this to be mean or anything.... she's doing this because she's sdteeping otu of the real world now... and she'll think that evrything or everyone is gonna be against her.... just be there for her... make her rest assured that the world may be mean... but she'll still have you as a mother.... hope you understand my ramblings... ;-)

  • gingersoul said on Aug 24, 2008....
    Mamie.....oh, this hurt....

    I read your post twice....i pictured myself in 6 years maybe feeling the same resentment you are feeling now..

    It could be very possible..
    Its a generation thing, its a learning process, its a freaking milestone that very few fortunate seem able to avoid..
    So i am bracing for it..

    I can feel how hurt you are.....but try to think this..
    Its not against you.....its not personal.....she is not hurting you on purpose..she just doesn't see it..she just can't put herself in your shoes because as strong and deep your bond has been these past years she is growing, she is leaving.... not only you but the girl she used to be.

    I think she is rude and disarticulated because she feels awkward and overwhelmed...bet she is also scared..she is acting like the big girl she would like to be and she is still not..
    But its only a phase of her life..she will come back to these moments and realize the insensitiveness of her actions and how hurt you are..
    She will come back and ask you a hug for this day ...
    And you will be there...
    Because no matter what they are always our little kids, right?

    So have a glass of wine and hug your man....keep your sanity...
    And keep the connection and the communication open....

    {{{hugs}}}
  • polarheart said on Aug 25, 2008....
    Mames, sorry this is going to be short.  But this is my thought.  I wish I could take your daughter and put her in my shoes just for a while.  To feel what it feels like to have lost my mother at the age of 20.  I have lost out on so much.  Just for her to "really feel" what it feels like not to have that unconditional love of a mother (YOUR UNCONDITIONAL LOVE).  I am sure she would change her shitty attitude rather quickly.  You handled yourself very well, but you are deserving of so much better.  I hope that she will be able to "catch a wake up" real soon and realise what a treasure she has in you.
     
    Love Polar
  • scipio said on Aug 25, 2008....

    A very good beefy and educative comments on the original post. The excellent comments from all the fellow SC's could serve as a guidelines for parents whose kids are about to or leave home soon for whatever reasons.

    Children are like rubber bands - they stretch and come back to their original position - i.e. yearn to  return  - after a taste of life outside home.

    Let go and don't hold on to them on too tight - emotionally or physically  lest you crush them.

     True Love will always bring them back with more maturity and wisdom.

    Just my two cents worth....

     

     

  • day2day said on Aug 25, 2008....
    hi mamie,
     
    You've gotten some wise advice from so many people.
    Your daughter was probably caught up in the whole moving out of the house thing.
    New surroundings, new people, and new everything. She may want to show you how 'grown up' she can be. She'll settle down pretty soon and let you know all about it. I know it hurts to be shoved to the sidelines like that. Give it time.
    Lots of best wishes.
    day
  • Mamie said on Aug 25, 2008....

    aw, Daily! I am sorry that you all are going thru this too! I KNOW it is just their coping mechanism, why oh why did I not consider that it may be too overwhelming for her as well as me?

    I have talked with her a few times now. I do believe that staying up, out and on the edge all weekend, made her realize how comfy it was to live with mama and daddy. I know she is fine and there is not one thing about what and where that I would even change....but yea,,,, I am just sayin'! I hope your niece comes through in a different way...I know they love us, they just need to grow up, huh?

    Hey Batty -good to see you! Thanks, I bet she didn't mean it, i sure do miss that little bugger! She has her own life (and has had for some time!!) so I cannot articulate where I am with it anymore...maybe just settling in to... its a sad thing...it is a happy thing too, and I guess I need the perogative to shed some tears if I wanna.

    Rolling C: thanks for the laugh! Yea, these kids are something else!! Well, I answered her email to day saying that I missed her more than is reasonable and that I love her beyond all sense. how's that?

    Queenie: alright! alright! I will let her go, grow and be, do and have all that this good world has in store for her!* smile*  I appreciate your point of view, thank you and just pull my hair realy hard if I start acting like MY mother!

     

  • Mamie said on Aug 25, 2008....
    Ginger: thank you SOOO much for weighing in. I knoew I would hear from you and it made me smile! You just have a way with words and a way about you that lifts my spirits. Thank you Girlfriend! I will be right there for you when gingie-junior hits this life benchmark...until then, you enjoy every single minute! and take a LOT of picutres...I have many, but I am looking at them today and wishing I had even more...like something from every single day of her life! Ok, do you think that's overreacting*wink, thanks Doll!
  • Mamie said on Aug 25, 2008....

    Polar (huggggs) thank you dear, for your note. I *know* so much in my heart that a part of her and a part of me is each being selfish. So I will forgive her hers, if she will me mine...I agree with you that with perspective, we all have times where we coulda /shoulda acted better....I heard from my niece today who lost her mom when she was 7 years old. And SHE was checking on ME...here I am just 3 hours away and her mom is available only via Heaven...what choice did I have but to get my head out of my butt and quit blubbering like an idiot! thanks Polar!!

     

  • Mamie said on Aug 25, 2008....
    scipio: thank you kindly for your two cents! I appreciate it and you are right...true love never leaves your heart despite time or distance. She is mine for life...you are right about the golden nuggets of advice here...I am a thousand times better having had this counsel! thanks to you too!
     
    Hey Day: I do agree and believe that she will settle down soon. I bet she calls me in a few weeks and say 'um, mom?' I will be ready...not to re-fold her into my arms, but to comfort and fortify so that I can support her to free standing still/again. THAT is the beauty of what i have learned here. I believed it all along, my heart just forgot to stay whole and it was broken and hurtin.....
     
    thanks so much! mamie
    ps-sorry for typos, you all know already that I can't spell
    and type at the same time, right? :)) xoxoxox
  • TheNakedProfessor said on Aug 25, 2008....
     
    I have discovered that children react negatively if we manifest too much of our own adult sense of the tragic sentimentality of time's passing into ceremonial form. After all, we give them the impression that life is all forward progression and no looking back, right up through high school. And nostalgia can be creepy to someone who's next big goal is getting drunk and laid (hopefully not in that order) and who thinks of the nest as a permanent place to always have as a haven to return to in a storm.
     
    Save the sentimentality to share with your mate. Let daughter bring it on when she's ready. It won't be that long...
     
  • Mamie said on Aug 25, 2008....

    TNP: good to see you here. You are so right. I DO think I creeped her out. I also think that I weighed the whole thing down with the sentamentality...I should have high fived her and hung the curtains and hit the road. I know better now and I feel better now. She is great and having a blast...apparently some of her first goals have been met:)

    (OH Lordy!)

  • silverwhisper said on Aug 25, 2008....
    ah mamie, i truly am sorry. if i may, i'd like to try to give you a different view on the "dropping off your kid at college" experience.

    when my mother dropped me off for college lo these many moons ago, i remember thinking to myself (a lot) "all right, thanks mom, and i'll call when the phone's working" (obviously in the day before mobile phones). but after that first weekend, i realized just how wrong i was to be so cursory in my dealings with her.

    her understanding of just what she did and didn't do, said and didn't, will come back to her, and she will regret it.

    so while i don't think there's much difference in our ages, you and i, i wanted to remind you that kids of that age don't have the perspective to understand just how massive a change in worldview is coming.

    having been through it, we do, and quite frankly, i hope that when that day comes for me that i handle it with half the grace that you have, mamie.

    just as you did yourself, she will see you as more than just home, a place to do laundry, etc. sadly, it always takes us longer than it should to appreciate our families.

    [hug]

    ed
  • Mamie said on Aug 26, 2008....
    aw, Ed, thanks Bud, I needed that hug. Today is better than yesterday and yesterday was better than the one before that...so I am getting it. I imagine it is as you say, that they have no idea what a grand transition this is...and there is certainly no play-book for how to do it well. I just know it is an interesting emotional thing. Hm. I will stage a comeback! :))
     
    As for mothers in general....ya know my own mother called yesterday and was trying to comfort me...yet she could not understand what the problem* was...I am happy where she is (the University), I am happy with the people she has chosen for friends, I love her dorm room. I love the major she chose. I love the independence she will now have, she is ready. I love that her car is not there so I don't have to worry about that every night...so says my mom 'heh, whats the problem then...??'
    It's just one of those experiences I guess that takes your life as you know it, and spins it in a new direction even when you are all for it!
    Maybe, just maybe...I have issues???
    thanks again*smile
    Mamie
  • Fallyn said on Aug 28, 2008....
    i haven't gone through this in any way shape or form.....not from the kid perspective and my kids are still to young to be doing it from the adult perspective....but something you said rang a bell with me..... what you said to secret about having no expectations and it will turn out well.

    there is something a friend of mine says....that "expectation is nothing more than premeditated resentment" .....it sure seems to apply in so many cases doesn't it?
  • lionesss said on Aug 28, 2008....
    all i have in my life is my daughter,son,grand.daughter,,, so when my little girl started growing up and making her own choices i felt that i was redundant(sp) and angry upset every feeling you had so did i, but i thought everything would be ok as i still had my son at home and that softened my hurt pride and lonely feelings as i am very close to my kids indeed as its only been us 3 since day 1,,no end of nights week,ends i called pusscat to tell her about what had happend with us its a wonder she didnt disconect her fone line'haha',so then she had her little girl and it seemed that she back tracked and came back to live,, she told me how scared she was of making mistakes bringing up her baby,and once again i felt needed,,little did i know that my lad was feeling left out, so that upset me so again hours i spent pouring out my heart to pusscat, if it wasnt for her 'pusscat' reassurance i would of flopped it,now my baby girl is a mother of a 3yr old with her own home and gets the same feelings, i find myself reassuring her, but a few months ago my son started making his own way,decisions, and all over again those feelings of not needed anymore, hopless, it hit me like a ton of bricks, but after a long talking to again with my bestfriend i realised that he now was growing up,its hard for me to let go of both my kids, i dnt realise that they arnt kids anymore, both my children tell me everyday they love me and thats enough for me, but i know i will never get use to them growing up and having to cut the apron strings thats for sure,,,i hope things are better for you and your daughter now,~~lionesss x
  • Mamie said on Aug 28, 2008....

    hi Fallyn: that quote is powerful good! Don't mind me while i etch it on my bathroom walls....oy, but that is the truth aint it? thank you dearest, we are doing better now. xoxox

    Hi Lioness: thanks so much for sharing that, it is so freakin hard...and each day I am a bit clearer on what happened and yes, it is the same as you...I guess we are so busy focusing on them and their needs and even how they may feel during transitions...that we forget that there is a transition for us as well. I am learning to let go...she is but one of the big ones in my letting go list... I have now convinced myself that If I giv e up things and go with the flow of life,,,,then I am rightly making room then for new, fabulous people and things in my life. So here we go!! thanks again ,mamie

  • Fallyn said on Aug 29, 2008....
    i've got it etched on mine....or at least written down several places.. ...if i remember it it actually helps.

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