If my memory is correct, the Bible does not go into great detail about all 12 of Jesus's disciples. Only a few are given attention. The others are just there. But in Seth Speaks, Seth says that Jesus represents the inner soul, and the 12 disciples are 12 attributes of that soul, or you can say 12 personalities of that soul. Seth says that Judas represents self betrayal.
Seth also says that there were, in reality, three living humans who were blended into the Biblical Jesus, one of them being Jesus of Nazareth, another being John the Baptist, and that none of the three components of the Biblical Jesus were in fact crucified. I just mention this for the sake of interest, if anyone's interested. I suppose it will make people bristle and it isn't my intention to start a discussion about whether or not Jesus was crucified. I'm more interested in who the 12 disciples are, what they are supposed to represent. I mean either Jesus was crucified or he wasn't and it makes no difference to me which it was.
But if the 12 disciples are meant to represent 12 attributes of the inner soul, 12 personalities, that connects directly with one of my biggest interests, understanding human nature. Astrology divides us into 12 personalities too. And so does the study of Soul Signs.
The Judas personality would be one that betrays its own soul for the sake of greed, according to Seth. My own impression of Judas was that it wasn't purely for the gold, and that Judas was upset with Jesus. I also thought maybe Judas had been intimidated and did it out of fear, the money not really being the point. 30 pieces of gold didn't seem like all that much. But maybe it is really supposed to be about the gold, and the amount given to Judas was a life changing amount, paying for Judas's son's college tuition, a nice house in Bethlehem, a summer home in France, a few cute female servants, some goats and pigs and sheep, a Maserati, this and that.
So, are there known to be 12 distinct personalities associated with the 12 disciples? And would there be a connection between those 12 and the 12 signs of the zodiac and/or the 12 soul signs? Would the 12 disciples be divisible into 3 groups of 4, and 4 groups of 3, each group having traits that they share?
There are also 12 tribes of Israel, but again I don't know too much about how to differentiate one from another, except that Joseph was the star, Levi and Simon were the warriors who brought about the massacre after the seduction or rape of their sister, Judah was the ancestor of Jesus and the one who had that odd experience with his daughter in law.
lfbno7 posted on Aug 24, 2008
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silverwhisper said on Aug 25, 2008....
to the best of my knowledge, the bible falls silent about a good half of the apostles, leaving only extra-biblical sources for information about their personalities. just a thought.
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StupidGenius said on Aug 26, 2008....
There is actually no evidence that jesus even existed so who cares about the diciples?SG -
silverwhisper said on Aug 29, 2008....
SG, that is factually untrue.
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StupidGenius said on Aug 30, 2008....
There are references to him but they are not considered reliable. More realistically is the latest theory contained in the book "Cesar’s Messiah" in which is claimed that the Romans wrote the gospels based on battles fought and one by Titus against the Jews.
The probability calculation is 99.9997% accurate. Even if he did exist no mention of miracles are made which you would think would be big news.
SG
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silverwhisper said on Sep 02, 2008....
there's no meaningful metric whereby you can derive a probability, SG, and you know it. :>
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StupidGenius said on Sep 02, 2008....
Of course there is, you can compare the gospels and the written accounts of the battles and see for yourself. The evidence is there, you just have to read it silver.
In regard to Jesus
· Mathew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
This verse was actually taken from Isaiah 7:14, which is said to be the prophecy of Jesus' birth. Nowhere in the New Testament is the man that is called Jesus, the Messiah, the Christ, and the Son of the living God ever referred to as Emmanuel.
There are references to Father Christmas and References to fairies and elf’s but they are not considered factual and nor is the account of Jesus’ life, I say again, the evidence is available you just have to look and You know it.
SG
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silverwhisper said on Sep 05, 2008....
are you kidding me, SG? c'mon, if you're questioning the validity of the bible--and you clearly are--you cannot in anything resembling intellectual honesty cite it as support of any points you may be making!
goodness, is logic so alien to you?
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StupidGenius said on Sep 06, 2008....
When questioning/disputing the Bible it is important to use examples from it to show why you are questioning it in the first place. Im disputing the bible by using examples from it to show why. That’s perfectly logical. If I were to dispute the information in a science text book I would have to say why by quoting the parts that I was disputing.
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silverwhisper said on Sep 06, 2008....
SG, people have been at this for approaching 2 milennia. you aren't going to have some kind of insight into scriptural analysis that's eluded some of humanity's best minds in the intervening time.
but this is a bit of a tangent: there's no metric whereby you can derive a probability. the nature of this discussion doesn't lend itself to that.
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StupidGenius said on Sep 07, 2008....
Probability is established through available evidence. Evidence for the existence of Jesus is limited and unreliable there for there is a high probability that he either a) Didn’t exist or b) Existed, but as a normal man (As no evidence is available to support the acts of "Miracles" or that he was "Gods Son".)
Probability can also be used to derive a figure relating to "Cesar’s Messiah" using comparisons between the gospels and the accounts of Titus's battles. This has already been some. I must stress however that I have not read the book or analysed the calculations used for arriving at the stated probability so I can’t say for sure. It also requires more independent verification.
But it can be done.
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lfbno7 said on Sep 07, 2008....
Just guessing here, but I'd think that it would be extremely difficult to find evidence that any specific person lived 2,000 years ago, other than the very few who made it into history. A case could be made that Jesus should have been among those few because, in retrospect, he would be considered the most important person alive at the time. But an opposite argument can also be made, that his following, during his lifetime, was miniscule. Twelve disciples? Some larger audiences but only twelve disciples? That wouldn't make for much of a celebrity. So if the four gospels are all we have to go on, to say he actually lived, I think that's a lot, for a guy who was basically playing in the Minor Leagues, rather than being, say, a senator in Rome.
Based on the evidence, I'd say he probably did exist, though I'd also say that the miracles attributed to him are most likely all baloney, and as for him being the biological son of Yahweh, I think that would be a rather meaningless thing since Yahweh himself is a cartoon character a bit less real than Batman. Now if he claimed to be the son of Zeus, that would be something, for as we all know, Zeus is real. And he made a mean moussaka, besides being king of the cheeseburgers. -
StupidGenius said on Sep 07, 2008....
Ifbno7 - The gospels are in doubt. It has been claimed that they were produced by Constatine and his minions based on Titus battles with the Jews. There are some very very very very interesting similarities. Check out http://www.caesarsmessiah.com/main.html and see what you think.SG -
StupidGenius said on Sep 07, 2008....
Check out the interview with the author
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lfbno7 said on Sep 07, 2008....
I'm always open to this type of thing. But I obviously have no idea whether it could be true or not. Reminds me of when I was on jury duty. I had no idea whether the woman was innocent or guilty of defrauding a store and basically stealing a lot of furniture. They said she did it, she said she didn't, and the testimony was just so-so. I was polite enough to wait until everyone else on the jury went to the bathroom before I went, and after I took a piss for two minutes and came back out to the jury table, they all made up their mind already and forgot about me. It was one of the stupidest experiences I ever had. -
StupidGenius said on Sep 07, 2008....
Innocent until proven guilty. Non-existent and till proven existent. Thank you for helping me make my point.
SG
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