A Thoughtful Response Within A Thoughtful Discussion,

Between Two Citizens Of The United States Of America

Hello gentlemen.  I haven't been on SC for "many moons." 

I am sorry that it has taken me so long to respond to you bloc.  Especially since you took the time to type out so many quotes regarding our past President, Thomas Jefferson.  I appreciate all of your time and effort.  I do truly appreciate it, and I am not offended in the least...but grateful for your thoughtfulness in our discussion.

For the sake of this blog, I am cutting most of my comment and placing it into my own blog; save for the two paragraphs above, and one including the link to Amazon where one can purchase Thomas Jefferson's Bible.  Please look for the rest of my response to my good friend, SC neighbor and earth neighbor bloc.  It was long enough to be a blog, so I put it there to avoid any "copyright" questions:  My own words on my own blog means I own them!  ; ) 

I wonder if there are similar quotes, with sources of course, written by other of our founding fathers who were also experiencing such a crisis of faith...if that is indeed what this shows.  I suspect it is more akin to a rejection of the human institution which commonly passes as the acceptable framework for the faith of all professing believers on Jesus Christ. 

Religion is actually quite limited in its expression and example of the Heart of Jesus.  His own brother, James, said that "Pure and lasting religion in the sight of God our Father means that we must care for orphans and widows in their troubles, and refuse to let the world corrupt us."  (NLT, James 2:27)  As you well know, there are still plenty of orphans (148 million, and still counting) and widows (true widows of course...numbers unknown) in the world.  In fact, if you haven't read all of James 2, you have not understood what we hold dear in our hearts, and suffer to bring our thoughts, words and deeds into alignment with these ideals.

Now, you and I both know this command of Jesus:  Love your neighbor as yourself.  If there is anything that we know to aspire to, this is it.  At least this should be it.  It is from this place that I am able to love you, AntiMatter, SG, and so many others on SC.  I do not ask your spiritual pedigree before I offer you my chicken soup.  If you are hungry, I do my best to feed you.  I wonder what would happen in the world, if everyone that wanted to help an orphan and take one into their home, into their family...I wonder how many orphans would be left?  Ahh, but I digress, yes? 

I cannot seem to help myself sometimes.  I think of things like this:  If only there were as many true human rights activists, as there are animal rights activists...or that any were as inspired as President Thomas Jefferson was by the words, thoughts and deeds of the One who was fully man and fully God, Jesus Christ of Nazareth...well, I think the world would be a much better place. 

Indeed, you are correct in siting the quotes of Thomas Jefferson on religion, specifically the Christian religion; as he is the least "religious" of our forefathers, and he was quite affected by the "Enlightenment".

The Enlightenment also brought the technology of the printing press however.  I believe God inspires us to timely innovations...and we sorely needed the printing press to get the Word of God into the hands of the masses, "we the people."  Many reforms followed as well.  It was an age, a season with great import. 

You and I, and absolutely, George Soros (a leader in deconstructing America in favor of a One World Order, and quite a hypocrite in my book, and self-righteous by pure definition)....well, George and I would definitely disagree about the exact nature of the changes that followed the Enlightenment. 

If you do not have a copy of the Thomas Jefferson Bible, I have included a link to Amazon for anyone reading this blog, that would like to read it...or even for those that may not have known (perhaps from reading this very blog ; ) that there is such a thing.  Here is the link:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0807077143/ref=dp_olp_2/002-9719975-6136026

I'd like to get back closer to your original blog, if I may.

When Thomas Jefferson said, in that letter responding to the Baptistry, those infamous words, "wall of separation between church and state," it really doesn't matter if you and I agree exactly what he meant now...does it?  Do you think George Soros (or any of the charities that he supports through his foundations) really care about the intent of Thomas Jefferson, his faith, his spiritual life, his moral foundations or the Guiding Light of his life? 

No.  They do not care about intent.  They do not care about the variables, the content or the intent of the input of this system of government that we have all inherited from our founding fathers.  Indeed George Soros openly claims that the founding fathers failed.  He only believes in evolution and also, in the deconstruction of the America we live in today.  I have not been in SC, but I am an avid researcher, as you know.  : )

So, do you think there is any reason for us to continue discussing this?  I do not feel like your opening statement is accurate.  If you are saying that you do not believe in the 10 commandments, or as Jesus reminded us, "to love your neighbor as yourself"...then perhaps you are speaking of the laws in the Torah?

I guess I have a question for you...well, that, and an observation.  Do you think that John Locke's writings were based on his own thoughts...all original, or do you think there is a chance that he was not influenced by, or aware of that most influential book of all time?  It is quite plausible to me, in light of my own blog and essays, articles, etc...to believe that he probably did his best to write about truths that are absolute and wonderful, while not using God's Name, or Jesus' Name throughout the text so as to be prosthlyetizing.  For that matter, I seriously doubt that Thomas Jefferson would put his name to a Bible if he did not agree with the truth and principles of the document...do you?  

You see bloc, you and I have some fundamental differences that will make all the difference in the known and unknown universe, let alone in our little corner of the world 'after you and I die'; as our dear friend and respected blogger, Lidstrom has reminded us both.  But until then, we must base our understanding of truth and goodness on something that we can agree upon. 

This is the fundamental difference in basing our government upon the Koran, for instance, instead of the fundamental truths within the Bible.  The Koran is actually the constitution of all Islamic states:  Sharia Law is their ownly acceptable "truth".  If you are a Muslim, you must dedicate yourself solely to the Koran, to Sharia Law, which is their constitution.  That is another blog topic altogether; but worth mentioning because when people say that they wish to become Americans, they must also say that they will be loyal to the Constitution of the United States of America.  We are all supposed to be loyal to the Constitution of our government. 

You and I are citizens of the United States of America bloc.  We are not an Islamic state anymore than we are a Christian state...do you see the difference?  Please, please, please...do not make the assumption that I am condescending to you.  These are the things which must be discussed, and made as clear as we possibly can make them...everything matters bloc.  You are the water, I am the sling but we are both influenced and impacted by the Stone beloved. 

As Thomas Jefferson said:  "There is not a truth existing which I fear... or would wish unknown to the whole world." 

So, let the people, we the people, know the truth about the founding fathers...all of them...not just Thomas Jefferson (although, you can see in 'his Bible' what he truly believed...and one can certainly take things that he said, and perhaps the very things that he struggled with, and almost give the appearance that he did not believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ as the foundation of his own morality and world view.  But then, I guess he certainly wound not have published his own Bible with his own name upon it.

This blog might have more aptly been about the evolution of our laws, in your words, or the de-evolution of our laws in my words.  The more laws a nation has, the more government a nation has.  Jefferson's opinion of big government was right up there with his opinion of politics as a necessary evil ; )  

I have enjoyed this immensely my friend.  I thank you for your own thought provoking nature bloc.  I would hope that you and I, AntiM, TS, silver, D6, Lidstrom and many others, would thoroughly enjoy a fireside conversation with any and all of our founding fathers.  Some of you might prefer the company of Mr. Gyorgi Schwartz, aka, George Soros : ) to the fireside chats that would intrigue me ; )

Thank God this is America, where we are free to have these discussions.

Your neighbor, 

Truthsayer 

Copyright Truthsayer August 23, 2008