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Your consciousness is not physically alive, physically oriented, for exactly the same amount of time as it is physically alive and oriented. There are pulsations of consciousness. You are not aware of the intervening instant of unaliveness. The pulses are so short in duration that your consciousness skips over them.

There is no physical matter that is not brought into being by some portion of consciousness. (Note, he is saying that the stars are a result of conscious creation, as is everything else, every leaf on every tree.)

The after death environments are generally far more intense and joyful than the reality you now know. For those of you who are lazy I can offer no hope. Death will not bring you an eternal resting place. (So much for the concept of "rest in peace", which is utter fiction, as well as the concept of a langourous heaven sitting around with harps.)

You may or may not be greeted by friends or relatives immediately following death. You may be far more interested in people that you have known in past lives than those close to you in the present one. Telepathy operates without distortion in this after death period, so you must deal with the true relationships that exist between yourself and all relatives and friends who await you.

You will not be automatically wise if you were not so before. (So the people you meet in heaven may be just as moronic as the ones you meet here.)

You examine the fabric of the existence you have left, and you learn to understand how your experiences were the result of your own thoughts and emotions and how these affected others. (The part about your own thoughts creating your experiences is one of Seth's big themes, and the idea of understanding how your actions affected others is a staple of Michael Newton's teachings.)

You begin to make plans for your next physical existence, if you decide upon one. You can instead enter another level of reality, and then return to physical existence if you choose later. (Reincarnation, another staple of both Newton and Seth, and the point that you choose your incarnations. But Seth insists that you are on a path, a curriculum, and you can't stop until you complete all the requirements. Newton doesn't get into that, and leaves the impression that you can stop any time you want. I don't know what the repercussions are supposed to be if you decide to quit reincarnating before you get that diploma.)

The body itself may be viewed, and many funerals have a guest of honor amidst the company, and no one gazes into the face of the corpse with as much curiosity and wonder. (So when you attend someone's funeral, realize that "someone" is right there in the room listening to all that is said.)

Christianity has believed in a heaven and a hell, a purgatory, and reckoning; and so, at death, to those who so believe in these symbols, another ceremony is enacted, and the guides take on the guises of those beloved figures of Christian saints and heroes. (This agrees 100% with the writings of Newton, who says the exact same thing.)

One man's Moses, as I discovered, may not be another man's Moses. I have served as a rather creditable Moses on several occasions - and once to an Arab.

The variety of hallucinations in which you may become involved is endless. You may, for example, take the form of an individual's dearly beloved dead pet. All of these hallucinatory activities take place usually some short time immediately following death. (It's odd the way he uses the word hallucinations to describe what seem more like play acting on the part of actor-guides.)

There is no one after death reality. Each experience is different. Those who have hated the body find that immediately after death they are quite drawn to it. After leaving the physical body you will immediately find yourself in another. This form will seem physical. It flies, goes through solid objects, and is moved directly by your will, taking you from one location to another as you may think of these locations, not limited by the speed of light. You cannot as a rule manipulate physical objects. Your new physical body is not a new one. It is interwound with your physical body now, but you do not perceive it. Following death it will be the only body you are aware of for some time.

After death it does not take time to go through space. Space does not exist in term of distance. This is illusion.

Dreams are no more hallucinatory than your physical life is. You are in many ways more effective and creative in the sleep state than the waking state. The dream body can indeed fly, defying both time and space. When you dream you are often flying. You may speak with dead friends or relatives, revisit the past, greet old classmates, walk down streets that existed 50 years earlier, travel through space in no time, be met by guides, be instructed, teach others, perform meaningful work, solve problems, hallucinate.

In the sleeping state you may have constant experience through the years with close associates who may live in another portion of the world entirely and be strangers to you in the waking state.

In dreams you solve problems. (That's why so often you go to bed with a problem you don't know how to deal with, you "sleep on it", and when you wake up you have a plan, a solution.)

After death you may, if you choose, experience the events of your life at your leisure and alter the events. If you find severe errors of judgment you may then correct them. Some choose this rather than reincarnating, or rather as a study before a new reincarnation. This is a mental exercise undertaken by many.

You appear on occasion as a ghost in other levels of reality, where your appearance causes some comment and is the ground for many myths that you are not even aware of.

There are three main areas open to you after death. You may decide on another incarnation. You may decide to focus instead upon your past life, using it as the stuff of new experiences by creating variations of events, making corrections as you choose. Or you may enter another system of "probability" entirely, leaving behind all thoughts of continuity for the time being.

Some simply find the physical system not to their liking, and decide to take leave of it, to stop incarnating. This cannot be done however until the reincarnation cycle, once chosen, is completed. (This is something that nobody else has said, and it is pretty depressing to think there's no way out of the reincarnation cycle until it is judged that you have completed the full curriculum.)

There is a period of self examination, and your full history becomes available to you. You will become aware of your other reincarnational selves. There will be emotional ties with other personalities whom you have known in past lives, and some of these may supersede your relationships in the immediately past life. In your dreams you have been here.

Most people think of reincarnation in terms of a linear progression in which the soul perfects itself in each succeeding life. This is a gross simplification. There are endless variations. One may choose to isolate a certain characteristic, like intelligence, and just focus on that in one particular life. The result will be a person you would not consider very well balanced or evolved, but that is part of the path this person has chosen.

There is no time schedule, and yet it is very unusual for an individual to wait for more than 300 years between lives for this makes the orientation very difficult, and the emotional ties with earth have weakened.

The relationships for the next life have to be settled upon, and this involves communication with all those who will be involved. There are loners who don't have to coordinate any of this. There are others who like to incarnate when their contemporaries from some particular past historical time return. Families may incarnate together, taking different relationships to each other. (This is gone into, in detail, by Newton. It has also been witnessed by Lisa Williams, when she tells a grieving mother whose son has died in childhood that he is "coming back" as her grandson very soon, so she will get to hold him again.)

Some choose to "go all the way" with reincarnation on earth. They specialize in physical existence. They incarnate in each racial type. There is intensive involvement with historical periods. They tend to live short lives, but very intense ones (John Lennon?, John F. Kennedy? Robert Kennedy?) and they experience more lives than others do. They return in as many historical times as possible, helping to shape the world as you know it.

Earthly existence is a training period, but forget your ordinary ideas of progression. Your concepts of good and progression are extremely distorted.

Some people adopt different occupations throughout their reincarnational cycle while with others there will be a very noticeable continuity, such as some priests or teachers who stick to that almost exclusively.

The "probable" system is as complicated as the reincarnational one. You exist in both systems at once. There is also a probable system in which no reincarnational cycles exist, and a cycle of reincarnations in which no probabilities exist. (What the hell he's talking about is beyond me, but it seems there are two different curriculums that we are going to sign up for, the reincarnational one and the "probable" one.)

For those who choose to review, re-experience, and make changes in their most recent past life, lessons must be given. You, the actor, can change your approach or the results. The other actors will mostly be "thought forms", unless a few contemporaries join in the affair together. Thought forms do possess a certain reality and consciousness of their own. They are not cardboard actors to be pushed around at will. They will grow in consciousness and continue their own lines of development. In a way we are thought forms ourselves. This will be further explained in the material dealing with the god concept. (That is all pretty damn heavy, and nobody but Seth that I know of has ever said anything like it.)

A belief in heaven and hell can be disadvantageous. Some believe that the conventional heaven is the only possibility. Such a heaven would be sterile, boring, and deadly. Others expect to be cast into hell for their actions. Because of the force of their beliefs they may for some time actually encounter such conditions. There are always teachers available to get these people past their false beliefs.

Suicides do not have any particular punishment, nor is their condition any worse than others, as a class. They are treated as individuals. Any problems that were not faced in this life will be faced in another one. This doesn't just apply to suicides though. Many philosophies teach that suicides are met by a sort of special, almost vindictive fate, and such is not the case.

If an individual considers identity strongly in terms of male or female identity then such a person may refuse to accept the fact of the sexual changes that occur in reincarnational existences.

There is no punishment meted out, in your terms. The god vs. devil, angel vs. demon concepts are all distortions and impediments. They are extremely superficial and largely the result of misused intellectual abilities.

Your reality exists not only in terms of reincarnational existences but also in the probable realities mentioned earlier. (There it is again. It has something to do with a dimension that is not linear logical, and where intuition and logic are one and the same, not separate, or are at least a lot closer than they are here.)

For those who are through with their reincarnational cycle, there are choices available. One is to become a teacher. Such a teacher will instruct various incarnations of one entity, during life in the 14th century, during life in the 3rd century BC, in Atlantis, etc. A teacher would simultaneously be in contact with all of these incarnations. Maybe the teacher will also be involved with several probable systems too, and these personalities would have to be contacted. Training is given for this teacher.

Another vocation is a creator. Creators are involved with multidimensional art that would appear simultaneously in many realities. There are various kinds of multidimensional art. The whole Christ story was such a creation.

Another possible vocation is healer, working with several reincarnational selves at once. Advanced healers deal with the spiritual maladies of vast numbers of personalities. There are those who combine the qualities of teacher, creator, and healer. Others choose lines of development that are particularly suited to their own characteristics.

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  • kruuyai said on Aug 23, 2008....
    marking
  • RollingC said on Aug 23, 2008....
    :^)
  • RollingC said on Aug 24, 2008....
    Interesting to say the least....whenever a smart & deep thinker starts to interprate the " who are we and why " questions about life some very interesting concepts come out.
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    Conscious creation is the result of everything we are experiencing, including ourselves by the way. And go ahead, take 3 guesses as to whose consciousness created us.
    I'm sure the " rest in peace " saying refers to the inner turmoil that human beings suffer so much of throughout their lives.
    As far as reincarnation goes, you can come back if you want to but not me, I'm moving on and not looking back.
    Dreams are a wonderful way of getting to know yourself, realease inner emotions, solve inner personal problems and circumstancial ones also amongst other possibilities of usefulness.  I vouch for that myself.
     
    I must come back and re-read this again.... good post.
     
    Rc
     
  • RollingC said on Aug 24, 2008....
    Meant to say up above...release and realize inner emotions...
  • truthsayer said on Aug 24, 2008....
    Greetings lfbno7:
     
    I don't have much to add to your blog here, other than my own experiences and observations.  I wanted you to know that I read your blog, and because of my own past experiences...I can relate to your search at some level.  I just wanted you and your readers to know that this was the first book that I read in Jr. Hi that set me up to dabble in the occult, or "new age" movement. 
     
    Dabble.  What a seemingly innocuous little word.  It is a poor word choice on my part...but I chose it on purpose.  That is all I tried to say it was...dabbling.  When in fact I was searching for why God had made me so "weird"...why I seemed to know things that others did not seem to know and see things that others did not seem to see. 
     
    I asked my pastors/ministers/youth leaders.  I did not get answers to my questions from anyone in my Methodist church  (including the adults I knew that actually introduced me to the occult/new age that also attended the same church).  My answers came much later...and they came gradually from my own searching and experiences WITH God, WITH Jesus and WITH the Holy Spirit. 
     
    After all, at the end of my "personal" quest, and I had come to the end of "me"...I was able to fully surrender myself to Him, His Truth, His Love and His purpose for me and all of His creation.  I asked Him to show me all the mysteries that He said I could handle.  I prayed even for Him to teach me in my dreams if my "flesh" was fighting the Truth in anyway.  I also prayed to be a clear "channel" for the Holy Spirit to flow through.  I asked for help to push my-"self" to the edges of me, and for His Spirit of Truth to flow through me as fully as possible for a "human" ; )  I believe that He has answered my prayer (which I believe He also inspired) and that He is still answering that prayer today. 
     
    It was sad, but the clergy and the leaders in church doctrine, did not "dabble" in the supernatural.  They said that miracles today were few and far between, and due to the efforts, or works of mankind...like random or even purposeful acts of kindness.  They had actually ceased to believe in the "dunamis" power of God through His Holy Spirit that is still working in our lives today. 
     
    Anyway, I have a lot of respect for you lfbno7.  Your gender escapes my memory at this time, but you have always been a lady/gentleman with me...and I want to be the same with you.  Like I said, I thought you might like to know that when I went to my pastors/ministers for answers, they did not have them...or at least, they wouldn't discuss the true answers with me.  So, I searched elsewhere, and when I looked up ESP, I found these Seth books. 
     
    I am sure you know that I do not believe in them now, and I have managed to come full circle, so to speak...and I am better for it.  I have more depth and understanding of than I might have gotten from my spiritual "mentors" had they answered my first questions...but I would not recommend my quest to others.  It was dangerous and exhausting. 
     
    Yes, it was a long and lonely journey back to the Truth, and it is my humble opinion that the Truth would have been served better had my first mentors been able to answer my questions, when I was first able to form the questions.  In fact, that is part of my current ministry to others.  I am willing to "take on" the "hard questions"; and admit that I do not know what I do not know...and to search out the answers with the Word and the Holy Spirit, with love, truth and integrity...and if I have a question that I truly cannot answer, I am perfectly comfortable with saying the truth of it.  When I don't know, I say so.
     
    I wish you all the best on your own personal search for the Truth.  Take good care my friend.  Thank you for sharing your heart and your understanding with us here.
    It takes courage for all of us to share our true hearts and current understanding, with others...here on SC, or IRL.  I appreciate you.
     
    Love, love, love,
     
    Truthsayer  
  • truthsayer said on Aug 24, 2008....
    May I take a liberty?  May I say "hi" to my buddy Rc?  I know what you mean to say here too Rc.  I really do.  I think you know that too. 
     
    Your friend,
     
    Truthsayer
  • lfbno7 said on Aug 26, 2008....
    When I was in college back in about 1970 a girl named Nanette gave me this Seth book. It is considered by some to be the originator of the New Age movement. If you go on You Tube you can see other spirit mediums. I don't know what to make of any of them. I am pretty sure that I could make a convincing spirit medium, just by putting on an odd voice and saying the kinds of things the others say. I suppose I could find someone who'd believe in me too.

    But after watching Lisa Williams on Lifetime television, I won't ridicule the idea of someone speaking with a spirit, because Lisa clearly does it all the time. She's astonishing. She speaks right to them and gets answers. She isn't going into any trances, like Jane Roberts. She just has conversations with spirits, and yes, she really does! Amazes me every time. I think it is fair to say that any doubters have no right to express doubt of Lisa's abilities unless they have seen a few of her shows first, with an open mind.
  • truthsayer said on Aug 26, 2008....
    Yes, these "abilities" were hard wired into us.  We are meant to use these "antenae" to receive/hear from God.  Some choose to hear from other sources that broadcast on other "channels" ; ) 
     
    There are ancient accounts of "mediums" in the Bible of course, and many prophets of God and false prophets as well.  These people can be used by God and good if they would reject their former resources and dedicate themselves to God/Jesus & receive the Holy Spirit instead.  The Bible says that gifts and even a calling come without repentance.  Sadly, many of them may not even know this.
     
    I met James VanPraagh (sp) and he was scared to death of me.  He was absolutely squirming in his seat and his eyes were darting all over the place.  He could not even maintain eye contact as we spoke.  He knew.  Sadly, he knew.  I still pray for him to reject evil and embrace the Lord God Almighty.  He even tells people that he believes in God.  I say so what?  So do demons.  So I continue to pray for him.
     
    I once knew a woman that was convinced that she was "channeling" Jesus.  She was a beautiful woman and God loved her very much.  She eventually realized that she was being used by others, and that she had been deceived by the New Age movement.  Last I knew, she repented of any deceptions and of being deceived and got purified, so to speak.  She serves the Lord now, in Jesus Name...faithfully and singularly...last I knew she was in a Spirit-filled, full Gospel congregation.  I am sure that she still has a prophetic gift. 
     
    I have seen it all my friend.  More than I would have if I had been told that I could be so full of the Holy Spirit, faithful to God and follow Jesus so closely that parking spaces open up in front of me when I need them...that I am trasferred to another place in five minutes that should have taken 45 minutes...I mean when the Bible says that "He cares for you", it's true...True and TRUE.  : )
     
    Blessings to you lfbno7.
     
    Truth : ) 
  • lfbno7 said on Aug 28, 2008....
    I once browsed a book by James Van Praagh but didn't buy it. I can't really comment on him. My favorite author on the afterlife is Michael Newton. I recommend Journey of Souls and Destiny of Souls. I don't buy into everything he says, and I think his view is a bit distorted here and there, but overall I find his writing fascinating and think maybe there is a lot of truth in those books. Hopefully we'll find out.

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