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Acts 3:38,39

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call

2 Corinthians 5:14-15
For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto
themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

All is refering to the elect called of God who from all eternity God knew whom He had chosen to be the elect and the eternal plan of redemption was carried out to reclaim "all" He had chosen. Therefore, the "all" to Him is the all for which He intended the death of Christ to atone.The Lord knows who are his


Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father’s name, they bear witness of me. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.I and my Father are one.

2 Timothy 2:19

Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Matt. 7:21-23

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

God only knows believers, not unbelievers. THESE PEOPLE CLEARLY ARE NOT SAVED EVEN THOUGH THEY CLaim TO KNOW GOD AND DO WORKS IN HIS NAME.


1 Corinthians 15:22-23

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming

Who are the ones who will be made alive? They are the Christians and only the Christians. First of all, to be "in Christ" is a phrase that describes a saving relationship between the redeemed and the Redeemer.

Rom. 8:1

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

1 Cor. 6:14

And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.

The "all" that died in Adam were all that Adam represented: every individual who ever lived. Those "in Christ" are only believers. The "all" therefore can only be the believers, because it says "in Christ all shall be made alive." If all shall be made alive, then the "all" can only mean the believers because only believers are made alive in Christ

Romans 5:9

Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Adam's sin resulted in condemnation to all
Jesus' sacrifice resulted in justification to all
Only the saved are justified.

Since the Scriptures clearly teach that not all men are saved we know that the "all" in this verse can't refer to every individual.

Romans 5:15-19

But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The Bible says that faith is a gift from God (Rom. 12:3); that it is God who grants belief (Phil. 1:29); it is God who produces belief in a person (John 6:29); and only those appointed to eternal life by God are the ones who believe (Acts 13:4.

Also, faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God (Rom. 10:17). In order for someone to believe, they must hear the gospel of Jesus (1 Cor. 15:1-4) because the gospel is the power of God for salvation (Rom. 1:16). There is no other name under heaven besides Jesus by which anyone may be saved (Act 4:12). And, one must receive Jesus (John 1:12) in order to be saved.


John 12:32

And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me

Romans 8:32

"He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things?"

The question again here is, who are the "all"? Clearly the all are all that the Lord our God shall call. those who are called are chosen and become the Good Shepherds sheep.

Romans 8:28-34

And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God’s Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

1 Timothy 2:3-6

For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Jesus is the mediator for the believers, not the unbelievers. "Men" in this verse can only mean the elect, the Christians.

If the sins of every individual are actually taken away, then why do any go to hell? After all, aren't all the sins taken away? Jesus died only for his sheep. Those he calls out of the world. Many die in their sins. The blood of Jesus doe not apply to the unregenerate. You must be born of the holy Spirit to be saved. Believing a form of the gospel is not salvation. Satan believes the gospel but he is not born of God. He is not a new creature in Christ. All the unregenerate are Satan's children with his nature and they will die in their sins. No flesh can glory in themselves. Salvation is of God alone. He chose you if you are born again.

John 1:29

The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Did Jesus take away all sin from every one ever born or only those born of God?

John 6:33

For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and
giveth life unto the world


John 6:51

I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which
I will give for the life of the world.


Only the Christian receive life and so this verse means all that are called out of the world.


Partaking of the Lord's Supper does not guarantee salvation. To eat the bread of Jesus means that it must be done by faith, which only the Christian has, only those who are appointed to eternal life believe with THE HEART UNTO SALVATION. This is not intellectual belief but heart faith. Spiritual understanding.


Rom.15:9


But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear ) unto this day. And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway. I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

It cannot mean that every individual is reconciled to God; otherwise, everyone would be saved. God allows people to be blinded to the gospel by Satan. The bible clearly says this. To deny this truth is to deny the gospel.

2 Cor. 5:19

To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Again Paul speaks of God reconciling the world to Himself. This is all who god calls out of the world. The word all is not synonomiss with every single person in the world but rather all called out of the world.

Matt. 26:28

For this is my blood of the new testament, which is
shed for many for the remission of sins


John 10:15-17

I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

Both these verses specifically state that Jesus laid His life down for the sheep (Christians) as opposed to the goats (non-Christians)

John 17:9

I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

Jesus is making a distinction in His prayers to the Father in regard to who is being asked for. It is the ones whom the Father gives to the Son that are being prayed for. The whole of John 17 bears this out. Jesus is not praying for everyone. His prayers are "limited" and his atonement is limited. Jesus did not shed his blood for those in their sins. The unregenerate spend eternity separate from God.God chooses and we should be very grateful because none of us deserve salvation. Only his blood shed for us is what is precious. We are filthy rags in his sight and God alone is worthy of praise. We will cast our crowns at his feet.

Rom. 8:32

He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

The "all" here can only mean the believers. Paul is speaking of the saved which is why he says that God will "freely give us all things".


Isaiah 53:12


Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors

many notice.... but not all

Heb. 9:28


So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation

(Again, another verse that says that Jesus bore the sins of many, not all)

When God wants all men to be saved, they are. God predestines. He died for those He predestined. And He has been working from all eternity to atone for, sanctify, and glorify His elect. It will occur because God has ordained it so. All who the Lord our God shall call will be saved! If any man have ears to hear then let him hear what the Spirit of God says.


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  • fearing said on Jul 12, 2008....
    Hi, I'll confess right off - I didn't read all the scripture.  You caught my eye with the title but it's really late here so I'll have to come back.  The reason I was so interested in the title?  My brother and I are having a discussion on what I think you are talking about....see?  --- I told you I didn't read it all - yet.  (smile)


    P.s. - I'm a believer also.

  • Watchmanwhatofthenight said on Jul 13, 2008....
    Hope to hear from you again. 
  • fearing said on Jul 14, 2008....
    I'm back..... It's the same discussion we are having.  My brother has read this post of yours also.
  • Watchmanwhatofthenight said on Jul 14, 2008....

    What is the conclusion to your discussion? If you have any questions I will be happy to chat about them.

  • fearing said on Jul 15, 2008....
    Hi, the discussion is still ongoing.  ;-)  It's more a debate.  I just don't get my brother's point on something.  He agrees with you by the way.  lol! 

    If you'd like, I'll PM you what it is about.  I typed it out here but deleted it.
  • Watchmanwhatofthenight said on Jul 22, 2008....
    Can you retype. It would be nice to have the debate public so others can see. What is the points you are having a hard time with?
  • fearing said on Jul 22, 2008....
    It isn't that I mind retyping but I'm hesitant of the nature of the debate in a public forum. 

    I'll throw caution to the wind.....

    We're debating that only those called can come to Him.  My brother's point is that we all have free will (and I agree with that part) but only those given the "desire", or are called by Him, can come to Him.  Those not called, even though they have that free will, cannot choose God.  "Cannot" as in impossible. 

    I don't know but I'm just not there on that point.  It seems to me that it takes away that free will.  It doesn't make sense to me. 

    How did I do explaining it? 
  • Watchmanwhatofthenight said on Jul 23, 2008....
    Have you read my blog on free will? Maybey that will help. I will repost it.

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