• kumarilata said on Jun 22, 2008....

   

   theduke said 22 minutes ago....

  I am also Pro-Choice.  It is something I would NEVER want my wife to do, but I think a woman should have the right to do whatever she wants with her life and her own body.

• theduke said on Jun 22, 2008....

  hey sweetie, i am sorry for using your tool bar, i know that was confusing.

  I will say again, that I am Pro-choice.  If my wife should ever want to have an abortion,  I would not fight her about it, but I hope it never happens, because I hate to see anyone go thru one.  I have talked to women who had them, and a  lot of times, they live with regret.

• crybabylu said on Jun 23, 2008....

  I also am pro-choice. There are too many issues involved for it to be yes or no.  Lots of issues women face in this field. Ultimately, she needs to be the one to decide.  good post, kim.

• hottips4u said on Jun 23, 2008....

  Personally, I have never had someone walk up and tell me they were considering an abortion.  
  
  I have never met someone who has had such a procedure....not that they have made me aware of in any event.
  
  My position in life is...its your life, independent of all others as an individual.  Abortion is an independent decision made by an individual irrespective of their reasoning....as to, to have or have not. 
  
  Then too, I have never met anyone personally that has had an abortion and indicate remorse, regret or anything as I've just not met them in real life.
  
  I can say however, I have seen and heard more on here in Soul Cast about dead babies and having sex with babies than in all my lifetime of conversations, television and movies. 
  
  Simply put, if it becomes necessary in ones life to make such a decision, perhaps you can take a hint, seek professional medically trained professionals to preform the procedure.  Don't run around telling people you had an abortion because...bla bla bla.  You don't share every heavy period you have either, ya know ?
  
  Abortion is like someone wishing to kill themselves.....independent and private, if your gonna do it, just do it and be done with it. 
  
  Jess.
  

• Ownedgalbabs said on Jun 23, 2008....

  I will do my best to keep this one brief....but your post has made me feel that I should share a story with you....
  
  Sometime in the mid 1940s a young woman attended a party with some friends in their home.  A game of sorts was played and this innocent woman found herself in a circumstance that by our standards today would be best categorized as date rape.
  
  The result was an unplanned/unwanted pregnancy.    Understanding the stigma associated to victims of rape all those years ago, the woman felt it easier and better to allow her own family to believe that the sex was consensual and did marry this beast of a man for a time.
  
  A few years into the marriage she left with her young daughter in search of a life free from much physical abuse, blatant adulterous acts on his part and the perils of life with a violent alcoholic.
  
  That child was my mother.
  
  As the years passed my mother herself grew up and god only knows the hell she likely endured.  For when I was a preschooler myself, mom and dad gave me up for adoption to that same grandmother.   What I endured then was decades of abuse and at the hands of my maternal grandmother, I was reminded daily of how much I was not wanted....how much I was resented and that in later years my mother had died, how I learned of her conception. It was during this same discussion that my maternal grandmother had expressed, "regret in not having had an abortion."
  
  Yes I am pro-choice!  Yes I am a mother myself now....and am simply enamored in that I was blessed to have had a daughter myself.  That said, though I am happy that my own mother was not aborted and hence my being here....I can and do fully understand that in some cases and  as it relates to the affected party them self...women should have the right to choose.
  
  Just sharing my opinion and hopefully those that may disagree might just accept that we are all entitled to our own opinion and that we treat all with respect.  Both those we agree, as well as disagree with.
  
  Thank you for this excellent and sensitive  post.
  
  babs
   
  

• -ocean- said on Jun 23, 2008....

  Hey I am pro-choice
  I belive that it is a mother's right to choose the welfare for their child until they are 18, even if that means the best thing for it is death, sometimes there are situations a child should just not be brought up into or if it is obvious that the quality of life for that child will be very poor. Some people may argue that adoption is better in that case, but some mothers can't just let go after 9 months of nurturing, and in the cases of some care homes death is probably the better option. Any child put into care is going to have a difficult life especially if the child is not an orphan, my sister was adopted and she has always felt rather temprary, now I'm not saying that she would be better off dead, but she was lucky she had a good care home and a lovely foster family. But in some areas and situations adoption just isn't possible and what about those poor children that aren't wanted there is just so much hurt in the world that I think a mother - for that is what a woman becomes the minute fertilisation occurs - has the right to decide what is best for her child and that it shouldnt be for the government to try and take the role of every mother in the world.
  I'm sorry if I have been quite contraversial on this and I mean no offence by anything I have said, I just ahve quite a strong opinion on this matter.

• hottips4u said on Jun 23, 2008....

  Expendable, Alien, Myself and a few others looked into abort, to or not, for or not.
  
  There was some interesting comments that were given some thought before being shared, imo.
  
  Anyone interested, it occurred  >>>  HERE <<<  during one of alien's recent vistits. ; )
  
  Jess.
  

• SeanRenaud said on Jun 23, 2008....

  I'm gonna be blunt.  Most of the reasons here to be prochoice are stupid.  I'm prochoice because I've seen what happens to poor people who have children they can't afford.  Not only does it ruin their lives keep them from going to college, keep them from getting gainful employment and a large percentage of them turn to crime.  Many of these children will end up in single parents homes or in shelters and they won't do well in school and they will in turn grow to be criminals.
   
  I'm not saying I don't care about rape victims, but they make up such a small percentage of pregnancies that using them as your excuse for being pro-choice is stupid.  You might as well be pro-murder because rape exists.  You know if the girl finds the guy and shoots him that she just walks.  The fact is that MOST rape victims don't kill their attackers so it's silly to focus there.  On the opposite end partial birth abortions make up less than 1% of abortions, to say your pro-life because you're squeemish about choping a kid into kibble and vacuuming it out.  The fact is it really doesn't happen often enough to warrent discussion.
   
  The fact on incest is that keeps genes in the family.  I won't explain out all of the genetics behind it but a single generation of inbreeding isn't going to do much damage.  Your chances of birth defect increases from something like 2% to 7% bad yes but not overwhelming.

• themilitantpoet said on Jun 23, 2008....

  Intriguing arguments.  All of these are interesting. Let me ask you all this:
  
  is it the child's fault that they are the product of incest? 
  
  Is it the child's fault that they were not "planned"? 
  
  Is it the child's fault that they are the product of rape?
  
  Is it the child's fault that they were born into a poverty-stricken environment? 
  
  Is the penalty death for something that you cannot control, such as the circumstances of your birth? 
  
  The problem that I see with the Pro-choice legislation is that it is totally one-sided in regards to the "rights".  We are all concerned for the mother (as we should be), but we are not concerned with the child at all.  Life begins at conception; science has proven this and a developing fetus can feel pain.   The above-mentioned circumstances (rape, incest, etc) are all terrible, but nonetheless, can you kill something to make up for it?  By killing the baby, do you really get rid of the memories and the feelings?  No.  You, as a person, should take the obstacles that you have been given and try to make the best of them.  Abortion is murder, in my eyes, and I am only in support of an abortion during an extreme circumstance regarding hospital complications in which you could lose both the mother and the baby. 
  
  The only roadblock to my arguments is if you do not see a developing fetus as a life.  Sorry if i have offended.  

• SeanRenaud said on Jun 23, 2008....

  The answer to all of yoru questions is no, and I've already said those reasons don't mean a thing.  Abortion isn't murder however, it's not really alive at that point.  You can fling whatever you want at it but it really isn't a living human being.
   
  Until and unless we live in a world where we can care for all the unwanted children of the world we need abortion.  It sucks but it's true.  We've seen the positive effects that abortion has had on our society, you wanna call it murder.  Fine I won't mince words.  It's justified and for the good of society.

• uniquely-ironic said on Jun 23, 2008....

  I'm pro-choice for the simple reason that outlawing abortion does not solve any of the problems it claims to fix, and in fact creates more.
   
  People murder or kill other people every day for reasons as relevant as those for abortion.  If you want to argue that abortion is murder then you'd better also be against the death penalty and euthanaisa.
   
  I also think that if you're pro-life that you should act on your convictions and take in the unwanted children such a policy would create.  Otherwise you're just a talking head with no real relevance.

• SeanRenaud said on Jun 23, 2008....

  Euthanasia and the death penalty aren't really relevant.  At least with the death penalty you can make the argument as erronieas as it may be that they are both murder, one for as punishment for murder or rape or kidnapping and the other for inconveincing someone.  Not really analogous.
   
  Euthanasia is completely on the other side as somebody who wants to die.  If you can prove that a baby consents to abortion you can compare it to it to euthanasia, until and unless that happens it's not a comparison and it's just like the right screaming that because CA legalized gay marriage we're going to have dogs raping six year old girls as an organized sport in 2012.

• themilitantpoet said on Jun 23, 2008....

  Let me ask you this: if a fetus is not a living human being, then why is it considered a double homicide when a pregnant woman is murdered? 
  
  Also, why must all of the reasonings regarding an unborn child's rights be considered irrelevant?  Is it simply because you do not see conception as the beginning of life?  I stated earlier that the specific point regarding when you consider life to begin would be a potential roadblock.  However, I did not consider my opinion to be irrelevant or myself to be a "talking head".
  
  SeanRenaud, why does it call for people to adopt these unwanted children?  Why can it not call for people to have more sense when it comes to sex?  As for rape and incest, I stated before that killing a result of a rape or incest does not get rid of the action, it merely piles on more of the same feelings (regret, depression, etc) onto an already-open wound. 
  
  I am curious, how has abortion done our society good?  I foresee it as neutral (since it is a 50/50 good to bad ratio), but enlighten me.
  

• Ownedgalbabs said on Jun 23, 2008....

  themilitantpoet:
  
  While it is by no means the child's fault, agreed.  Is it anymore acceptable for these same children to be born into families in which it is clear that they were not wanted?  That perhaps it is because they themselves are a constant reminder to their mothers of how they came to be that sometimes these moms no matter how hard they try will punish these children in other ways?  That while some may argue that it is better to have lived than not at all.  Does that include those that are then repeated victimized by those who felt that they must have them to either abuse or abandon them?
  
  I guess it depends on each and every circumstance.
  
  And to the "other" commenter  chiding, "stupid this and stupid that...." seeing as childlike behavior is already apparent....its always been my opinion and belief in that old adage, "takes one to know one."
  
  Cheers
  

• SeanRenaud said on Jun 23, 2008....

  1.  It's considered a double homocide because emotional people make stupid decisions.  Why isn't miscarriage considered negligent homocide if it is a baby?  Particularly if the mother wasn't taking care of herself?
   
  2.  Life begins at birth, though to be fair there is rather compelling evidence that you're still developing so much over the first eighteen months (to the point where NOBODY has any memories of being that young, but at that point we are mincing what it means to be alive.
   
  3.  Because there are going to be unwanted children, even if people are being responsible there are going to be unwanted children.
   
  4.  Well our crime rate is lower than predicted and happened in direct correlation with legalizing abortion.  Also the sever decline in women dying with coat hangers inside them, oh yeah and babies found in dumpsters.  And the only downside is a percentage of women (that I highly suspect is exaggerated) with various levels of PTS) 

• nytquill17 said on Jun 23, 2008....

  I am pro-choice.  That's not the same thing as being pro-abortion.  I would definitely prefer people use birth control and safer sex to prevent pregnancy.  But once you get to that point, however you got there, the situation is often too complicated for some kind of blanket decision.  Too many factors to weigh.  There need to be choices all along the spectrum, abortion, adoption, counselling, etc.  And I don't want anybody else making my decisions, thinking they know best for me when they don't even know me, you know?
  
  And I agree with what Uni said.  Abortions have existed since Roman times.  It's not something new.  Making them illegal is not going to make them go away.  We all know that Prohibition didn't make people not drink, and while I'm not equating human life to alcohol, the principle is the same - you cannot legislate people into morality.  It's just going to drive them under the table.  It's just going to make life harder for people in desperate circumstances while allowing everybody else to feel self-righteous for having eradicated this terrible "evil".  At least so long as they're legal, they'll be done in broad daylight (metaphorically) and can be regulated.
  
  
  To militantpoet: I respect your right to have a different opinion from my own and I'm not out to argue with you or insult you.  I'm not going to change your point of view, and you're not going to change mine; I'll leave it at that. 
  
  However, your statement "if a fetus is not a living human being, why is it considered a double homicide when a pregnant woman is murdered?" is a logical fallacy.  The statement is equating the law with scientific or logical proof ("because it is a double homicide under the law, a fetus must be living").  Laws are not necessarily based on science or logic; they are based on the opinions of a given population as to how they want their society to be regulated.  Also, as far as I know, not all states or countries have a law to this effect, so it's not universally agreed to be true.
  
  Please understand, I'm not attacking your opinion.  I don't mean that a fetus is or is not a living human being; as I've said I don't want to argue.  Rather, for the sake of debate, I mean that the statement you made is an opinion and not a logical proof of your conclusion.
  

• Eilan said on Jun 23, 2008....

  I think it's unfortunate that abortion has become a political issue.  I don't see that what goes on in my uterus is the business of anyone but me and my health care provider.

• -ocean- said on Jun 23, 2008....

  that is very well said Eilan!!

• themilitantpoet said on Jun 23, 2008....

  This is why we blog, though, is to get our ideas out and talk about them.  I never have understood the blogging culture where people trash one another's beliefs.  I like this general conversation. 
  
  To SeanRenaud:  If you really are going to mince over the term "alive", then please, philosophize on another entry.  This argument has passed you by, because, and I think I can speak for Webster, his dictionary, and everyone else here when I say that a pulse equates life.  Whether or not you believe that skydiving is truly "living" or just sitting on a couch is "living", if it has a pulse and coverts carbon dioxide and oxygen, then it is alive.  I said at the beginning that if we all could no get over that hump (The "where life begins" hump), then we would not see eye-to-eye.  However, your logic interests me.  I assume you will use the same style of logic to talk about drugs.  As rampant as they were in the 70s and 80s, with harsher penalties came lower usage rates, right?  Not necessarily.   How about the hippies dying altogether from an LSD trip gone wrong or even cocaine actually killing them?  There are multiple reasons why the crime rate may have gone down and why the rates of "back-alley abortions" went down.  I hesitate to use those stats anyways, because they are unreliable, particularly because of their very nature (the "back-alley" part...meaning hidden or latent).
  
  To nytquill17: I appreciate our middle ground and respect your opinion.  I am still curious though.  I understand how logic isn't the basis for most (or at least some ) civil laws.  This explains how in most states, I can go away for 25 years for simple possession and no intent to distribute (which is decided by the amount that I have on me) yet I can get out in 5-10 years for negligent manslaughter.  What logic are you using though, in stating that "if a is b and b is c, then c is a" is an illogical fallacy?
  

  
  

  
  

• SeanRenaud said on Jun 23, 2008....

  1.  I always back off on the word alive.  I think Kevorkian is one of the great heros of our time.
   
  2. I called it what it is there is a correlation between abortions being legal and less crime.  There is also a correlation between the decline of pirates in the Carribean and global warming.  I didn't call it a causation though I believe it is.
   
  3.  I let you call it murder if you want, if you want to call it a life (it isn't) go ahead.  Then adopt or atleast start heavily supporting adoption agencies.  Cus the problem is pretty big now.

• I'mNotHungry said on Jun 23, 2008....

  I, too, believe a woman has the right to choose whether she carries a pregnancy to term.  I have known women who have chosen to have abortions, 3 women.  Each with their own story, each with their own feelings and thoughts on why they chose abortion.

  One was a roommate of mine in college, she had an abortion and mentally she was not the same after.  Another friend of mine, says she regrets her decision, but "lives with it".  Lastly, another friend of mine had an abortion in her late teens, she is now in her 40s.  She does not regret her decision, she has never had children, does not want to have children.

  I come from an abusive home and I often wonder why my mother did not abort me  - she has never made it a secret that I was an unwanted result of a drunken night. 

• I'mNotHungry said on Jun 23, 2008....

  If abortions were illegal, I doubt it would decrease the number of abortions performed, but rather increase the number of women who die from infections, punctured uterus, etc, from having an illegal abortion performed.

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